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random challengers thoughts after i just watched a sad patrick edit
during/after my first watch of challengers i thought to myself. patrick is the most innocent one. he ain’t done NOTHING WRONG FREE MY BOY. none of them are the villain but if anyone were to be the villain it wouldn’t be him girl. #teampatrick
all these fake bitches on tiktok being like “why is everyone saying art is the villain” but there’s so many people saying that they’ll defend art that like now it’s at the point where there’s nothing to defend. because art being innocent is the now the most popular opinion. well u know what i think that they only say that bc he was a shaggy haired blond little whiny golden retriever boy. #PATRICKFORLIFE
This is like partially a joke i love art 🫶 but PATRICK IS NOT THE VILLAIN U WANT HIM TO BE. art isn’t either (100% innocent as an adult ur honour) but.
the problem with art is NOT that he manipulated his friends into breaking up bc he was selfish (though that was very ehhhhh of him like alright buddy idk like me speaking as a 19 year old with morals sorry guys i think it was a little fucked) the problem comes when he YELLED AT PATRICK TO GET THE FUCK OUT AND THEN DIDNT TALK TO HIM FOR 13 YEARS LIKE GODDAMNNNNNNNNNBNNNNNNNBNBBBNNDNSNSNSN GOD DAMN BRO R U FRRRRRR LIKE WHAAAAATT WHAY THE FUCKKKKK i think he was just closeted and a lil homophobic tbh. like not homophobic homophobic but just a little bit in denial of his own sexuality homophobic.. but like GODDAMNNNNNN AND THEN THE MAN HAD THE NERVE TO BE ALL UP IN PATRICKS FACE IN THE SAUNA
and he was projecting onto patrick his insecurities bc patrick Was in love w art (he made that so clear) but patrick also just in general had more confidence than art which made him insecure his whole life (jerking off story was foreshadowing their future friendship) and so he wanted to split tashi and patrick up bc 1) he saw tashi partially as a trophy that would make him the winner, 2) he did love her to some extent (but there’s only so much love to give when they don’t give quite as much back, also patrick was the glue tbh), 3) he didn’t want patrick and tashi to be together and then he would be left out not only from his bond with patrick but also as a third wheel and a second choice to tashi
but like for Real patrick would never abandon art like that imo. and he had every right to do what he did w tashi (twice). like imagine your best friend of 7 years tries to get with your girlfriend when you thought you were all just chilling, and then when you and your gf have a fight he swoops in and like shields her and pushes you out and then he doesn’t talk to you for years and years and you don’t even really get a proper breakup with him or your girlfriend bc the last time you see them is them yelling at you to get out, so you leave and you lose your best friend ever bc he was being a cunt to you and you lose your girlfriend bc your best friend is a cunt to you. and you have no friends and no family support and so you focus on your career but it lowkey fails bc you’re just not doing ok in general. and then you find out that they’re dating years later and then you see the ex girlfriend who you were actually serious about it and being w her for the first time you thought about lowkey settling down with maybe. and then she’s engaged to the friend. like girllllllll i’d have fucked her too to get back at that man 😭 plus she was like the realest relationship he’s ever had aside from art and like he never blamed her really for cutting him out bc he understood her (but she also was not in the wrong for cutting him out it was just really sad like i felt so bad for patrick throughout the entire movie even though he was kind of a dick in his attitude)
patrick was messy as hell but he was Innocent.
#ashley speaks !#wow i didn’t think i was this passionate about this#challengers#please do not start a fight w me 🙏 i do not want to fight i am just a young girl living in a big city thinking her thoughts about a movie#it is just a movie
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Silver lining of sh being cancelled: NO MORE DOM.
#( out of character. )#he can choke for all that i care#hes such a selfish dick plus hes homophobic#this news actually cleared my skin#anti dom sherwood#anti dominic sherwood
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Show Pony
Chapter 5
Kids
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“Oh fuck. Oh fuck. She’s going to Morocco.”
There was something in Steve’s throat, making his voice waver and sound reverent at the same time.
“She’s going to Morocco.” Billy pressed his hand down Steve’s back, dragging his fingertips along his skin, surprisingly smooth and soft.
Steve had his head on Billy’s chest, their bodies stuck together uncomfortably with sweat, but neither of them could be assed to move.
They were wrapping up their little movie night, Almost Famous playing to a close on Steve’s laptop, perched on the kitchenette counter, just where they could see it from the bed.
“Okay, that was really good.”
“I fucking told you. My mom showed me that movie when I was, like, eight. Shit changed me fundamentally.”
Steve shifted his leg a little bit but stayed silent. Billy could feel his muscles tensing uncomfortably.
“What?”
“What what?”
“I can tell you’re tense.”
“I just,” Steve sighed. “I don’t think I’ve ever heard you mention your mom before.”
“Yeah. Don’t really like talking ‘bout her.”
“Did she, you know ?”
Yeah. Billy did know.
“Nah, she didn’t die. She left. Not long after that movie night.”
Steve’s head popped up from where it was rested on Billy, giving him those big fuckin’ eyes looking sappy and sad as all hell.
“I’m sorry.”
Billy didn’t know what to say to that.
He doesn’t tell people about his mom. About her lovely life that she’s built without him in it.
It breaks his heart just to think about.
“She’s got kids now. A husband.”
“I don’t know what to say. I’m just. Sorry.”
“I don’t know what I want to hear. But yeah. T’sucks.”
“You wanna know something that makes me sad? So we’re even?”
Billy huffed a laugh through his nose, bringing his hand up to tuck some of Steve’s messy hair behind his ear.
“Only if you wanna tell me.”
“Remember how I said I was supposedta get my high school diploma soon? Well, by soon I mean, like, maybe within the next few years.” Steve wasn’t meeting Billy’s eyes, and he put his head back down on his solid chest, his shoulders tensing up around his ears. “I never went to school. Not even when I was little. I’ve had the same tutor on the road since I was a kid, and he’s good. Tries his best. I just. I’m- not good . I’m not smart. You need to pass this test to get your high school GED if you’ve taken an ‘ alternative route ’. Like I have. But I can’t take it until I know the shit that’s on it, and my tutor, Scott, he’s too nice. Says I’m okay. That I’m on track. But I saw the program he teaches from. Says it’s for ninth and tenth graders. I’m nearly nineteen, and I’m in fucking ninth grade .”
Oh fuck.
Oh fuck .
Billy’s 98.6% sure Steve is fighting back serious tears right now.
It was crushing Billy’s soul and making him feel like he was gonna join right on in.
But for how much Billy is a goddamn little crybaby, he sure is useless when other people start crying.
“It’s, Steve- that’s not your fault. You’ve literally never gone to school. Plus, like, I’m sure you don’t do your tutoring like I did school. Five days a week for like seven hours since I was five or something. You’ve been. Busy. You travel around and do all these amazing things, and, and, you're not dumb. Your parents just chose to not put you in school and then got mad when that didn’t work out as planned. It’s got nothin’ to do with your brain.”
This is gonna sound shitty.
And Billy really doesn’t mean it like that.
It’s just, well. Billy didn’t realize Steve was so. Fucked up.
Traumatized. Might be a less harsh word for it.
Billy just never woulda thought, when he first watched Steve ride like a fucking expert, or when he first noticed him strutting around the grounds of the rodeo, that there was actually something really sad behind that denim and flannel.
It made something in Billy’s gut twist and turn.
Because he’s the exact same way.
Because underneath the layer of carefully maintained hot muscle-head douchebag jock, there’s a really sensitive boy who was abandoned by his mother and gets regular hits from his father.
He can’t really decide if being able to see through Steve is a good thing or a bad thing, though.
“I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to act like a fucking baby over it. I never really talk about it, so I guess the bad shit just kinda all decided to explode out all over you.”
“Nah, Pretty Boy. S’okay. I’m used to bad shit.”
“That sounds ominous.”
“I meant it more in a bummer way, I guess.”
“I am sorry about your mom. It seems like you really loved her.”
Little bastard had brought it back around to Billy’s shitty baggage now.
The gorgeous little dickhead.
“I do.”
And that’s probably the worst thing about it.
All these years of feeling abandoned and forgotten. Of trying to make himself hate her, he still loves her so much.
He is her.
So much of himself modelled around the aspects of her he found most beautiful.
The things, try as he might, he can’t help but love.
Billy felt Steve take a large deep breath on top of him.
“Do you, like, talk to her much?”
“Nah. Should be getting a FaceBook message for my birthday next week. And then nothing ‘til Christmas. That’s how it goes with her.” She was literally the only reason Billy still kept his FaceBook account around.
Mostly because when he was feeling sorry for himself he’d go over to her profile and peruse the album labelled “Family ❤️” until he felt worse.
“I’m sorry.”
“Quit apologizin’. Not your fault she couldn’t handle it all.”
“Was she really young, or something?”
“Yeah. It was a case of too young and her own shitty father giving her enough issues to make her wanna marry the first asshole that told her she was pretty.” He’s never said all of this out loud.
But he couldn’t. Stop. Talking.
“Then when he turned out to be a bigger dick than she imagined, she split. Basically fell off the Earth for a few years. Served my dad divorce papers out of the blue one day. Now, she’s got a family that doesn’t suck, and barely spares any thought for the kid she left down south. Not that I blame her.”
He does, and he doesn’t.
It’s an odd situation.
He blames Neil for everything, when he’s thinking clearly.
He pushed his mother away with the same violence, the same painful rage he shows Billy.
But he also blames her.
She could’ve taken him before she scrammed. Could’ve fought for custody over him while she and his father met for Skype calls with their lawyers to settle the divorce.
Their split was easy, because she didn’t want anything.
Not their house, not their belongings.
Not their son.
“Wow. I thought my family was fucked up. Not to be rude, or anything.” Steve flushed, but he had the ghost of a smirk on his face.
“Every family is fucked up. Just in different ways.”
“I guess you’re right. I should probably get my head outta my ass and quit bein’ so selfish, then.”
Billy smiled fondly at Steve.
“You’re not selfish. Just don’t got a lot of outlets, I assume.”
Steve nodded, and Billy understood.
He doesn’t either.
The only person he even considers close enough to vent to, is Max. And even then, he doesn’t tell her all of it. Not nearly any of it.
She knows he’s gay only because she knows Neil’s a fucking homophobe. She knows he gets beat only because Neil does it in front of her. She knows his mom left only because sometimes Neil gets drunk and spits in Billy’s face that it’s all his fault she’s gone.
But she doesn’t know that Billy agrees with Neil on that last bit.
That maybe if he fought for her better-
Got in between her and Neil when he was goin’ in rough and hard on her down in the kitchen, instead of hiding under his bed with his hands pressed over his ears.
He’s got no one to work through all this shit with, and by the sounds of things, Steve hasn’t got anyone either.
And maybe that’s what they could be.
For each other.
Billy shook himself.
“You wanna start your movie?” He asked Steve, trying to redirect the evening back to their Favorite Movie Double Feature, and out of Billy’s Hopeless and Has Feelings territory.
Because time was ticking down.
And no matter how much Billy felt like Steve was the perfect compliment to his frayed and ragged soul.
Steve was leaving.
Steve was always leaving.
#yikes writes#show pony#rodeo au#steve harrington#billy hargrove#harringrove#i don't love this chapter but i haven't fixed it in the months its been sitting in my wip and i've written and LIKE the next three#so here it is mostly filler and exposition
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People complaining about 'queer baiting' when they ought to be more concerned about the amount of fetishisation that occurs when people ship two men lol
Hey Nonny,
I’m gonna assume you’re not trying to be a dick, and are coming from a good place, though you taking the time out to put this ask in a weird serif font is leaving me wondering if you’re trying to stand on a soapbox, but I’m going to ignore that for now, and I ask anyone replying to this post to please also grant that same respect. I only wish to educate, learn, and interact, after all.
I get what you’re trying to say re: queerbaiting, I really do. And fetishization is a problem, I agree.
Let’s tackle the queerbaiting first.
Let it be known to you that a large majority of the people calling “queerbaiting” are queer people and academics. I know the false stigma that “fandom is full of stupid little girls” still exists and is something that, quite frankly, this ask is implying and therefore helping to perpetuate. It’s not. Honestly, with this take you have here, you’re disregarding and invalidating the feelings of millions of other queer people who genuinely feel when something is queerbaiting because it’s something they have experienced over and over and OVER again and media just “LOL OOPS SORRY WON’T DO IT AGAIN”.
Disney is a perfect example of this. How many “first LGBT characters” has Disney had now? At least one a year for the past decade.
Listen, the people who initially called it out years ago for Sherlock were older folks who have lived decades of media constantly teasing gay relationships and then not following through with it at the end... literally “baiting” queer people to watch their shows because more people = more money.
Anyway, Gattiss confirmed he used homoerotic subtext to bait people, so I don’t know what else to say on this matter. That link also has some additional articles and sources that came out regarding the queerbaiting aspect of Sherlock, and they’re all good reads, so I do recommend checking them out.
Some other interesting reads, if only so you can gain some empathy for the others who DO see it as queerbaiting:
Gender and Queer Fan Labour on Tumblr: The Case of BBC’s Sherlock (Webarchive link, so give it a few to load)
The Elephant in the Room: Authorship, Queerbaiting and Sherlock
Queerbaiting in Sherlock
PODCAST: Queerbaiting in Sherlock
From Queer Reading to Queerbaiting - DiVA Portal
And as I’ve mentioned in past posts, I personally believe Sherlock IS queerrbaiting WITHOUT a confirmation in S5. They had the chance to stop it in S3, and instead they ramped it up. And yes, if you only watch Sherlock and omit S3 and TAB completely, I can see the queerbaiting argument null and void. But instead they made the episode that John was supposed to be getting married the gayest episode in the whole series, next to TAB. So I dunno, my friend.
Now, I shall discuss the very thin line of fetishization vs shipping.
I am not a professional AND I am a fairly recently-realized member of the LGBT community, so I don’t feel it’s my place to tell you what’s what.
There’s a really interesting Tumblr post by LGBT+ Weekly about this very thing that I think offers a “both sides” approach: Shipping and queer fetishization. And this interesting and on-point post here: About Fandom, Slash, and Fetishizing Gay Men.
From here, I can only offer my opinion, not fact, and I am open to being educated.
Yes, absolutely some people fetishize LGBT relationships. I’m NOT going to say there aren’t. But a majority of people ship ANY ship because it helps them understand themselves. It’s just that simple, and to tell someone that them shipping characters is bad / no good / fetishization can be harmful to them and make them fear “being gay”. Shipping characters is a way of disconnecting themselves from, well, themselves, and it’s a “safe place” to “come out” or discover themselves.
To me, you’re breaking down fetishization as “I like reading about two people fucking” and nothing beyond that, and not taking into account that many people like a pairing because of chemistry, or because someone sees themselves in a character and are exploring their own sexuality through it. If that’s the case, then I guess all M/F ships are are fetishizations? Why is it only M/M that people decry “fetishization”, when F/F is apparently not (clarification: it totally can also be)? So, is me liking Johnlock any different than my Zutara ship? Why?
Plus, the reason so many people ship M/M ships is because there’s just SO MANY MALE CHARACTERS ON ANY GIVEN SHOW.
I get what you’re trying to say, Nonny, I really do. And I know the definition of fetish. But AGAIN, these are characters, not real people, and you’re disregarding other aspects of shipping. Not everyone reads smut to get off. And even if they did, why is that so bad for some people? Personally, I read it because I enjoy reading stories about my favourite characters enjoying being together. I enjoy the dynamic, the possibilities, the chemistry and the love. That it’s never too late to find your person. That two broken souls can help heal each other.
Anyway, TL;DR of all this is:
YOUR experience is NOT someone else’s experience.
You didn’t see Sherlock as queerbaiting? Fine, but please understand there’s a reason so many other people DO and it’s not just fandom saying it. The general audience also has said it’s queerbaiting.
You see shipping as fetishization? Okay, and that’s fine. Your definition of fetishization means fictional people having sex, I guess. Maybe I’m just genuinely naïve, but... isn’t that kind of... TERF-y or homophobic? I mean... many people use same-sex shipping and assorted headcanons to help them understand themselves and their sexuality. And why is M/F shipping NOT fetishization, given the broad definition you’re implying by your ask? And I don’t want to get too deep into asexuality, but read up on aegosexuality. Are you then saying aces are fetishists too? Seems like aces can’t enjoy anything, I guess.
They’re fictional characters. Not real people.
Look, I’m stupid and naïve, I get that. And if I have the wrong take here, I’m genuinely interested in hearing your respectful thoughts, along with other people’s. Just, please respect and understand that everyone is not YOU. It’s rather selfish to think that your experiences are everyone else’s, if I’m being honest.
I’m not asking for you to “see my side of things”, just to have a bit of empathy, is all. It can go a long way in a world where just being who you are can get you killed. Fandom and shipping is an escape for a lot of people, because reality is a cruel son of a bitch.
All this said, Nonny, I just want you to be safe and healthy. If discussions of shipping and queerbaiting bother you, please black list the tags, get out of fandom, and please take care of yourself.
#steph replies#queerbaiting#queerbaiting vs fetishization#chatting with nonnies#my thoughts#Anonymous#help steph learn things#sexuality
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