#helluva boss s2e12 spoilers

[normystical]

someone draw this but it's moxx and mills (i'm sorry)

[marithlizard]

We've all thought about Via becoming friends with Loona, maybe even interacting with Blitz some more and realizing he's not that bad. She definitely needs some support - she's isolated with her mother and uncle, and Andy's now pissed off at her.

But I just thought of another possibility. Only one person at that sham trial expressed any concern at all for Stolas. Vassago has surely realized in hindsight that Andy was staging the whole thing to steal his ex-BIL's power. And hopefully he's realized that the dramatic musical confession Stolas performed...didn't make a whole lot of sense.

What if next season Vassago decides he's going to play detective and find out what really happened? I could see him talking with Via to get her side of the story and becoming a sort of protective uncle figure.

[marithlizard]

I'm sure the haters are in full spate right now about the woobification of Blitz, but when I look back across two seasons it seems obvious now that this is what he has always wanted.

Even back in Murder Family we saw his familial love and pride towards Loona. His mom's skull charm and the poster of him with his sister were already present even though we didn't know what they meant yet. And there's that moment at the end when he's crass and rude to Moxxie, steps through the portal and then stands there looking really sad while Millie says the supportive loving things he didn't.

Part of Blitz's terrible behavior is because he's a gleefully chaotic evil murder gremlin. Part of it is poor impulse control and neurodivergent traits that some of us recognize in the mirror to a painfully sympathetic degree. Part of it is trauma and self-hatred and self-sabotage. And I always assumed some of it was lack of practice. Someone raised by Cash and then abandoned as a teenager is going to have different experience than someone who grew up in a loving, stable large farm family.

But Blitz wasn't only raised by Cash. And we saw how supportive he was of Fizz, back before their lives went to shit. And despite his flaws as a parent he has won Loona's love, trust and respect (more than I ever would've thought before s1e8 came out!) He's got these skills. He just…never felt safe dropping all his guards and using them before.

(Is it realistic to think Blitz will keep up this level of selfless patient cherishing forever, and never get irritated at Stolas? Nah. They will bicker, more than M&M do, and probably have at least one serious disagreement next season. The current living situation is certainly not going to work longterm. But I have no doubt they'll figure it all out in the end. )

What a great way to end a season. Nothing bad happened, no surprises, or anything that was a gut punch. You know, just wholesomeness 🥲

[wineonawhitetee]

ALRIGHT SO

One of the things I noticed mildly in Mastermind and was given more content of in Sinsmas: Blitz is having a really good time. Like, ofc he's still suffering, but, the ending of the episodes are really good for him. And this is hugely contrasted by the fact that Stolas...isn't.

Blitz is so sweet and gentle with Stolas because he’s doing fine and Stolas isn't. Think about it

By the end of Mastermind, Blitz is in a pretty good position. He's basically become a celebrity among the working class imps. Combined with that, he's INSANELY relieved. Just a few months ago he thought he was going to never see the love of his ife again. A few hours ago, he thought he was going to die. A little after that, he thought the love of his life was gonna die. Then he didn't. He still has his family whole, Loona is freely admitting that she loves him, his employees are okay, Stolas is okay and living with him now. He's doing well.

Compare that with Stolas

He has just lost everything he has ever known. He's lost his powers, his money, his books, his house and -most importantly- his daughter. He is lost and shell shocked and miserable.

While Blitz is relived and hopeful.

This carries forward in Sinsmas, where Blitz is a lot more chipper and Stolas is still downtrodden.

The responsibility of working is weighing on Stolas while Blitz is happy to get him on the job. He doesn't take offense to Stolas's groaning and carries on like normal.

At work, it's also an instance of Stolas being miserable and Blitz trying his best to comfort him and to be supportive, even disagreeing with the client to make Stolas feel better.

Then it's the two things that fucking GET ME in this episode

Blitz trying to warm Stolas up, to be close to him, to cuddle him, to touch him, to comfort him and Stolas being cold and un-receptive (also both of them are hugging themselves nooooo please hold each other it'll helpppp 😭😭😭).

And these last shots that really sell it

Blitz is soft and happy. Stolas is defeated and distant. It's clear in the previous scenes that he loves Blitz and this is everything he ever wanted but it seems like a hollow victory because he thinks he's lost his daughter forever. He's so tired and it's so clear that he wants to enjoy this moment - to give in to the comfort - but he can't.

It also illustrates the development and reversal of Stolitz's dynamic perfectly. Earlier on, Stolas would've jumped at the slightest sign of Blitz’s affection. Now he can't even hug him back. Blitz is kind, hopeful and affectionate. Stolas can't find it in himself to reciprocate.

Y'all, I hate them so much

[tomsteafor2]

Here's what I love about Sinsmas (spoilers for Helluva Boss S2E12 below the cut)

even though we get the grand romantic display of Blitzø saving Stolas (and the KISS), I think it's more realistic for Stolas to still be in a funk over his daughter even though he's wanted this. He's also probably in withdrawal from his antidepressants.

I really appreciate the show making a point to show that even if you're in a relationship, your mental health issues don't just magically go away. And despite that, Blitzø still embraces him.

[this-is-fox-speaking]

fox rambles about the sinsmas episode

(helluva boss s2e12 spoilers)

okayy so even though i hate how they had octavia sound nothing like herself in this new song unfortunately it rock and is visually amazing. and i also relate to it deeply from my own daddy issues so it’s possible that that’s the only reason it’s in my high praises

i also don’t really like how so ON THE NOSE about stolas’ adjustments to being poor now. it’s so constantly verbally Spelt Out For You that they don’t leave any room for the fun part of analysis: going “ohhh that’s why he did that…”

I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM HAVING STOLAS JUST BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF ANDREALPHUS, THOUGH. LIKE FUCKING FINALLY. the bit with him and stella laughing was annoying in a way that wasn’t even funny. it’s also good to see stolas ACTUALLY REALIZE FOR ONCE that his choices are fucking stupid. stolas is becoming conscious and aware, thank god. i love him but at the same time he also just sucks the other half of the time which i can very easily admit.

i also do actually like how octavia saves her father from death but chooses to stay with her main abusers (in terms of how the writers want you to view the characters) and sacrifice possibly a better life with her dad because she doesn’t want to be lied to again. it’s complicated! good!!

loona suddenly being able to just turn into a wolf is cool as hell lore for the hellhound species as a whole and it just ALMOST makes me forgive them for most definitely adding it halfway through the story. i really hope they use it again and not just throw it away for a fight scene :( (but these are poor hopes)

i’m sad we don’t get to see millie’s phone call with her sister. the way the scene cuts off to loona with her newfound friends (that also weren’t previously established until now but it’s nice to see her develop) and immediately has millie coming back in made me confused for a second. it’s very obviously rushed and it sucks cause that could’ve really been a good characterizing moment for millie!! but of course we can’t have that cause millie isn’t traumatized enough to be expanded upon.

the sinsmas concept is actually a fun concept, and watching moxxie and millie play fight was actually really cute and expands more of their relationship. also seeing moxxie actually fight for once was GREAT cause they never let this poor “haha small theatre twink gets pegged isn’t it funny how not masculine he is” imp get to do ANYTHING cool most of the time.

it was also nice to hear loona call blitzo dad, but i do wish there was more a build up to it. the stolas and blitzo dance scene was actually super duper cute. i don’t think these two deserve to be a proper couple (they have so many fucking issues) but the scene was adorable.

overall this episode definitely had its average count of fuck ups but overall it was interesting! i’d watch it a second time. 6.5/10

[marithlizard]

Imagine a figure skater finding out they're pregnant, when they 'd been throwing their soul into competition and were favored to win the next Grand Prix. That's how I see Millie. She's like some kind of Olympian athlete of carnage; she loves her job and she's at the peak of her skills. To have a baby means all that is _done_. Pregnancy and birth does a number on the body (*) , then you have to take care of the kid for years... there's no going back, not really.

Plus she and Moxxie have only been married a year, and they're still very much in the honeymoon phase. Millie might or might not want kids, but I'm pretty sure she does not want them _yet_. Money is almost certainly also a big worry. Could they even afford to stay in Pride and raise a kid on one income? Or would they have to leave I.M.P, leave Blitz, and go live with Millie's parents? Millie's loving but very critical parents...who don't like Moxxie...on the farm she deliberately left... oog. That all sounds like an easy No decision. But will Moxxie see it that way? Or will he go all starry-eyed and begin writing lullabies, leaving Millie to work out the practical details? If that is what Millie's afraid of, I understand why she talked to Sallie May first, and why she would say, "you know I love you right?" My theory is that she's not feeling guilty because the kid isn't his. She's feeling guilty because she's tempted to make a quick trip to Sloth and never let her husband know a baby was an option.

(*) Imps are a lot tougher than humans, so maybe that part's not a concern. Or maybe it's even more of one, if the bundle of joy has hooves and claws and sharp teeth. I'm sure fic writers will be exploring all the options for us :)

Why is Millie so upset she’s pregnant? Does she not want the kid? Does Moxxie not want a kid? Is the kid not Moxxie’s? Does something weird happen when Imps get pregnant?

I’m hoping I missed something bc this has been eating me alive and all I’m seeing is Stolas/Blitzø shit lmao

[marithlizard]

I have so many thoughts about the season finale of Helluva Boss, it's going to take a while to get them all out. Everyone seems to be talking about Millie right now so it's a place to start. (This whole "she cheated on Moxxie" thing is coming from twitter, isn't it? That place is so full of hateful garbage. Can't be good for anyone's mental health to wade through it.)

Millie loves her violent career and her life with her husband. They've only been married for a year. She may or may not want to be a parent someday, but she definitely isn't thrilled at the idea of being one now. Makes sense. Moxxie, on the other hand, would light up like a Sinsmas tree at the idea. Millie knows this. The choices I think she sees before her are: 1) Tell Moxxie she's pregnant but doesn't want to have a baby. Watch his heart break. Stand firm against his pleading. Live with the relationship strain of incompatible deep desires. 2) Have the baby for his sake. Most likely move back to her parents' place in Wrath out of financial need. Lose her career, possibly permanently. Lose Blitz and IMP. Be very unhappy and have to hide it. Raise the kid. Support Moxxie, who will also be unhappy at losing his career and living with the in-laws. I think Sallie May suggested a third option: don't tell anyone else, just make a discreet trip to Sloth. Moxxie never has to know. That seems way better than options 1 and 2, in practical terms, but it would not sit right with Millie. She feels bad about even considering such a deception. That's where her "you know I love you, right?" line comes from.

(Where is the show going to take this? I have _no_ idea. I do like the idea of Sallie May moving to the city to support her sister. And I like the idea of Moxxie stepping up and supporting Millie no matter what she chooses.)

[marithlizard]

Yep, still thinking about Blitz and Stolas. And I see a parallel now I didn't before the finale: they have both made the same major mistake in parenting their daughters.

Octavia would feel angry and betrayed at the end of S2 no matter what, understandably. But it's much worse because she is so alone. We've never seen her with a friend or at a school, never seen her so much as notice the servants. She has never spoken a word to her mom onscreen. Everything she says and does is connected in some way to her dad.

Stolas gave her what he wished a parent had given him back when he was a lonely isolated kid: intense love and attention. She was the only good thing in his life, he was the center of hers. A kind of well-meaning codependency that happens a lot in RL. We're used to seeing it break down the other way, a child leaving the nest and a parent who has trouble letting go. But in this case it's Stolas who found someone else to love.

Great for him, but he never prepared Via for a life without him (ominous lullabies about "you'll be okay when I'm dead" do not count). Now at 17 she has to redefine herself from scratch with no support.

Blitz adopted a traumatized teenage hellhound in an awful situation and has done his best to give her all the vital things he remembers his mom giving him: safety, home, unconditional love and patience and support. They have a strong bond despite her surliness and she loves him. But she hasn't been happy, and he doesn't see that.

Loona has always felt out of place as the I.M.P. receptionist. She's not suited to it, it's a waste of her talents and it bores and annoys her. She has no friends when the show starts and is incredibly socially awkward behind all that hostility. Blitz could have used his social connections to introduce her to a few hellhounds her own age. He could've sat down with her long before "Seeing Stars" and said okay, you obviously hate being stuck in the office, what can we do about this? Do you want a part-time job outside of the family business, try out some different career ideas, Satan knows we could use the money?

Blitz didn't need that kind of help from his mom, so it does not occur to him that part of a parent's job is to see where their kid is struggling and step in to help them grow.

Loona was lucky enough to get help from Tex and Bee; she has friends of her own now to invite to Sinsmas, and I'm sure in S3 she will start to make choices about her future. Hopefully Via will get a helping hand and a mentor too.

[marithlizard]

"Sinsmas" is a fantastic episode, but one of the few nitpicks I have with it is the two scenes with Via's mom and uncle. They're normally much more articulate. Even Stella, who is not the brightest bulb in Wacky Wackford's Idea Factory, has a certain elegance to her diction and can sling some vicious insults. Now they're just falling about laughing and repeating the same words over and over. The episode was scripted so long ago that I can only guess their scenes may have been a stray bit of older and/or placeholder writing that was never brought into line with the rest of the show. But then I thought of a more appealing explanation. Andrealphus and Stella have been despoiling the palace, we can see; they must have rampaged through Stolas's treasures and private stuff. Including his exotic collection of plants from Hell and Earth. These two birds are stoned off their asses. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

[normystical]

I don't think the episode was trying to argue that cheating on a wife is okay, I think it was more like... I guess actually addressing what Stolas has done? And maybe that just because he fucked up big time doesn't necessarily mean he deserves death... I mean, sometimes I split exactly like that. Either I'm completely innocent, or I deserve to die. Obviously, it's never actually like that in reality, but I somehow always assume it does. yk?