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lightinxthedark · 8 days ago

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How would Veadris react to Ashelia and/or Caelen coming out to her?

@tarnishedxknight

((I can't give straightforward answers to save my life lmao, so I'll give the general answer first and then ramble, heh

in general: just fine! Does she understand? Maybe not completely, but at the end of the day, she just wants her children to be happy and safe. If they're happy with a partner of the same sex, then who is she to judge? And so what if that means neither Ashe nor Caelen can have kids biologically? While she knows the weight of the Dynast line - boy howdy does she know - she would rather them be happy than feel burdened to pass on their blood. She had nine children because she wanted a large family, not just because she felt pressured to keep the Dynast line alive, and she would rather Ashe and Caelen had kids of their own because they want to, not because they have to. Again, as long as they're happy and safe, she's going to support them.

now for my rambly answer, heh. Under the cut because... y'know, I rambled sdfghsd

the reason I want to ramble about this is because I want to figure out why Veadris would feel that way. Silence has said that Raminas has warned/shamed Ashe and Caelen into, essentially, denying/ignoring their sexuality, which... if Vea knew that, she'd be livid, heh, but that sort of thinking doesn't... stem from nothing, y'know? Dalmascan culture is to blame in this situation (both in regards to sexuality and it being more of a patriarchal society, but the latter is a separate discussion), so it stands to reason that Vea should feel similarly. She should have a similar reaction to her husband's and she shouldn't encourage Ashe's spiritedness and ambition, but she'd be accepting of her children's sexualities and does encourage Ashe to go against the norm. She's an oddity herself in Dalmascan culture, particularly in the royal class, and she knows that, and it's something that tends to cause the clashes she has with Raminas despite how much she loves him.

for Vea, despite what her culture dictates, influences, encourages, what have you, a lot of how she behaves comes from her immediate family. Her father was probably the stereotypical Dalmascan noble, but her mother was a different story. I think Vea got along just fine with her father - maybe not the closest relationship ever, but decently enough - but her mother was... a different story. Her mother definitely wanted to live vicariously through Vea because she was never happy. Her mother had children because she was pressured to do so, not because she necessarily wanted them. Her mother felt stifled and trapped within the confines of a patriarchal society by being confined to the life as a wife and mother, and when Vea was betrothed to Raminas, she constantly pushed Vea to make changes in Dalmasca. Which... sure, Vea wanted to make Dalmasca better for those who weren't male Humes, but the way her mother went about that wasn't... encouraging or helpful. It was more of her nagging her than anything else, and being critical of what Vea did or didn't do. Vea, however, had always been too stubborn for her own good, and held firm against her mother. Needless to say, those two didn't have a good relationship.

her mother was pleased that Vea didn't give Raminas children right away, but she wouldn't have been happy with how many children Vea did have with him. Nothing Vea did was enough, and her mother seemed to be under the impression that, because her daughter was queen, meant that Vea could make whatever decisions she wanted and push Raminas to enforce them. She knew her daughter's status didn't elevate her own, fortunately, but Vea was frustrated that her mother didn't understand that, no, she wasn't readily listened to either despite being queen consort, and she was only queen consort - she only had so much power until everything fell to her husband to control. But Vea did try to make things better, and she did try to encourage Raminas to be more open about allowing their sons to explore other options than just war and to allow Ashe to have more freedom and to have similar lessons as her brothers. Something that had mixed results and questionable success, heh, but Vea did her best, and made sure to never become like her own mother when trying to call for changes. And, all things considered, Raminas was probably a little more open-minded to certain things than most, especially seeing how he let Ashe have a little more freedom with play when she was growing up, and changed that when Nabradia was interested in betrothing Rasler to her.

now, as for sexualities specifically, I think one of Vea's siblings was queer. Maybe her brother was gay, tbh I'm not too sure yet because this is 100% me spitballing, but regardless, she would've seen the fallout when her sibling came out to their parents, and their parents reacted badly. Although she wouldn't understand her sibling's sexuality given she's heteroromantic (she's also asexual! as a side note, sex for Vea was for reproduction instead of pleasure), she was heartbroken to see them so distraught and didn't understand why her parents were upset by it, and vowed to never act like her parents in that regard.

not to mention, Vea has lost almost all of her children. In her main verse, as far as she knows, Ashe is her only child still alive - she doesn't know about Caelen or even Rohir. She's not going to disown, chase away, or shame her surviving children just because she doesn't fully understand something about them. She loves all of her children fiercely and equally, and just wants them to be happy, especially considering all of the suffering they've gone through.

I also like the idea of Vea having a different mindset compared to her family or even the rest of Dalmasca's noble/royal class because she used to sneak off to wander Rabanastre alone. She would hide her identity and use a different alias, but she gained a new understanding and different views to consider because she was exposed to other cultures found within her own kingdom. It'd also be why she rallies for them as much as she does, because she found friends in other places, and she couldn't turn her back on them once she left her wandering days behind even if she wanted to.

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lightinxthedark · 8 days ago

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How would Veadris react to Ashelia or Caelen being in a poly relationship? How would she react if they have a child/children out of wedlock?

@tarnishedxknight

((ooh, these are good, heh. I'm gonna answer them separately because the answers are gonna be a tad different, but not a whole lot!

How would Veadris react to Ashelia or Caelen being in a poly relationship?

To be perfectly honest, she wouldn't understand it in the beginning, and I'm not sure if she would come to a full understanding, but she would support them regardless. Again, Vea wants her children to be happy and safe, and if they find happiness with multiple partners, how could she be upset about that? She... is very much so monogamous, so the idea of loving multiple people at once and being able to commit to multiple people at once is kinda mindboggling to her, heh. Not in a bad way or anything of the sort, but she would worry about one person not being as fully committed to one of their partners, jealousy becoming an issue, and someone accidentally feeling like they're the third-wheel in their own relationship. I think she'd definitely question Ashe or Caelen about it because she's worried about them, not because she thinks they're wrong or leading someone on or anything of the sort, but once she realizes they're genuinely happy and everyone involved is consenting to being in a poly relationship, she'll accept it. Again, she might not understand it, but she loves her children, she wants them to be happy, and they can make their own life decisions just fine.

How would she react if they have a child/children out of wedlock?

So... I'll answer this in general, but it's gonna pick on Caelen specifically since he's the one with a child out of wedlock in an au I have with Silence, heh. In general, Vea is... not gonna be pleased, heh, since while her mindset/beliefs are fairly progressive all things considered, she is not as progressive as to be chill with people having kids without being married. Now, she's not an ass about it, and she may disapprove but she's not going to judge since it absolutely has zero effect on her, but she's going to shake her head and hope for the best. Vea believes it's better to have kids while married because that will provide stability for them, though, as a quick tangent, she knows not all marriages work, so it's different if someone becomes a single parent because of divorce (or if something happens to their spouse in general), and would rather see that someone gets a divorce than force themselves to stay with someone who they're not compatible with for whatever reason because there's a child/children involved.

Anyway. She wouldn't be happy initially, but she would push aside her disappointment in favor of making sure Ashe or Caelen are alright, and doing what she can to support them, although she'd make it clear they're responsible for their child. Vea will be delighted to be a grandmother, but if Ashe or Caelen are capable of taking care of their own child, she's not going to take responsibility for their child because they don't want to. Now, obviously, it would be different if they couldn't for whatever reason, but that's just a given in general - Vea would never hesitate to take in any grandchildren of hers if something happened to their parents.

In the case of Caelen's au daughter, Myra (who he has with my muse, Gylfie, over on @disillusionedjudge), Vea would, again, not be pleased, heh. Especially taking into consideration that Caelen is trying to hide his true identity and Gylfie is an Archadian Judge - those two having a child is not doing them any favors about keeping their relationship on the down low, lol. And, to be clear, Vea wouldn't be disappointed only with her son - it takes two to tango, after all, so she wouldn't be pleased with him or Gylfie, but... at the end of the day, what's there to do? She won't stay disappointed forever and she won't hold it against either of them, and she will do whatever she can to help them out. If they need her to babysit Myra, she'd do so in a heartbeat. If they want pointers or suggestions, she'd be happy to teach them what she knows about parenthood. She'd understand Gylfie's struggles with motherhood and would sympathize with her feeling disconnected from her daughter, and she'd understand if Caelen is overwhelmed by being a single father and running his business. Now, of course, this is all running on the assumption she knows Caelen is Cael Skjult and all that jazz, but I'm not gonna dive into the specifics of that, heh. And, in their case, it would be a situation where Vea would raise Myra herself if they asked, just because of how complicated their situation is.

Going back to a more general answer, aside from being disappointed, Vea would be worried for Ashe or Caelen. She knows they would be heavily scrutinized for having a child out of wedlock, especially if Ashe or Caelen are in Dalmasca's center of attention for being royalty. Caelen's au with Myra, for example, would probably lead to judgment but maybe not as harshly because he's living in Old Archades, while if he fathered Myra out of wedlock while he was still a Prince (especially as Crown Prince), that judgment would be a helluva lot stronger. And if Ashe had a child out of wedlock? Vea knows that judgment will be 10x worse for the sole reason that Ashe is a woman. So, regardless of how she might feel initially, she's also going to be incredibly protective of Ashe and Caelen because of that, and will stand by them no matter what.

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