#he didn't need to deliver anything with nuance or depth

[queenofthearchipelago]

Perhaps the angel should say I'm sorry

I've said before that I don't think Aziraphale has anything to apologize for when he comes back down from Heaven. And I do stand by this, I don't think he should apologize for stepping into the elevator. He did his best and what he thought was right, and I don't think Crowley would want him to apologize for that.

BUT, that doesn't mean he shouldn't apologize AT ALL.

If you take in 6000 years, there's actually kind of a lot that Aziraphale has to apologize for. All the times he initially thought the worst of Crowley just because he was a demon. Lying to Crowley about knowing where the anti-Christ is.

I don't think Crowley wants to hear an actual genuine apology from Aziraphale for any of this. I think Crowley absolutely understands where Aziraphale was coming from. He knows the dilemma that Aziraphale was in and how hard that would be, especially for someone so pure of heart and someone who still loved God and stood by Heaven as far as he could as Aziraphale did.

But while I think that's true, I also think it's true that Aziraphale would find it to be the right thing to do to apologize for that stuff. I'm sorry for all the times I thought the worst of you. I'm sorry for lying to you, for not telling you everything when I trusted you and I had the chance. I'm sorry that I've made mistakes before and yet it wasn't even safe for me to say what you deserved to hear, that I'm sorry, because I would've gotten in trouble if Heaven overheard me sincerely apologize to a demon.

And Crowley deserves to hear this. He deserves to be blatantly told that his opinion matters and that his feelings matter. He deserves to be told that he didn't deserve to be misunderstood or lied to. He deserves acknowledgment for the pain they BOTH went through in not being able to say what they were really thinking and feeling.

It's totally possible for a scene like that to happen in season 3. It would have to be written delicately and with great depth and nuance, but we all know this show is more than capable of delivering that.

Part of them being truly open and honest with each other now includes them being honest about all the times they hurt each other. There needs to be an I'm sorry right alongside the I love you.

[mcbride]

why do you like angela kang from caryl shipper perspective? what did make you to have faith in her regarding caryl ship and it's spinoff?

I think I should start with a warning - I do not trust any of TWD writers to deliver in-depth nuanced storytelling that is not plagued with missed opportunities. With that said, I didn't have much faith when Angela Kang took over as a showrunner, but she completely changed my mind with s9 and s10. WHY? Because she proved she is not Scott Gimple. It's that simple. 

This got a bit long... so more after the jump...

Excuse me, Mr. Gimple, thank you so much for The Grove and No Sanctuary. But he is this show's worst showrunner ever. Congrats. He basically picked every thing I loved about this show and destroyed it, painfully slowly but surely. He was just jumping from one comic plot point to another, and he understands nothing of basic human interaction: all dialogue is delivered in riddles, lots of pointless philosophic dissertations that led nowhere, and he gave us less and less Caryl content. He turned one of the best chemistry/bond on the show into a meaningless 1 min interaction in s8! It takes talent! He took the joy out of watching anything TWD related, and I basically took one long break from fandom.

Then, Angela came along and she truly breathed life into a dying show. Characters started talking like normal people and interacting a lot more lol. Even though, she hit us with CZ, it was hard not to notice how Daryl had a major role in Carol's decision, and to a certain point, in Henry's life too. And that was not glossed over - Daryl became sort of a “mentor” to her child; and it was shown how he would do absolutely anything for Carol, and to keep her child safe. Then, he was the one there for her when Carol’s world came crashing down once again. Daryl was the one Carol leaned on, literal and metaphorically. She needed him around.... CUE to jealous!Zeke. And s10 happened, do I need to go over everything that happened in s10... you know! Running away together, Carol’s dream, talking about a future, look at the flowers ep.... I could go on and on...

I guess this is getting a bit long so I’m gonna go straight to the point - it seems pretty obvious to me where Angela’s narrative is going, and with every Carol and Daryl interaction we get more and more hints of what’s to come. Yeah, Caryl is coming! And it felt like the long journey started when she took over (season 9), and the train was going full speed ahead in season 10, until it was basically derailed by the pandemic, and then the announcement of TWD ending and the Caryl spinoff. 

Of course, that journey is not without obstacles like Carol and Daryl’s deep-seated trauma that comes from both being victims of abuse, and their insecurities: the feeling they are not good enough, and feeling like they failed to save so many people they cared about along the way. I guess I will sound cheesy when I say this, but Carol and Daryl both have to learn to love themselves for who they are, before they can fully love each other the way they deserve to be loved and, finally, be happy together.

THAT’s what I think Angela’s getting at. Of course, there’s drama and angst and other possible romantic interests. Do I like or agree with some of her creative choices? NO. Of course, NOT. Like FUCK “leafy tea” and her waterboarding kink! Specially now, when it seems like Angela is just biding her time by delivering extra drama to drag out that Caryl resolution because the original plan (for Caryl to leave together at the start of s11) had to be changed. It can be frustrating. HOWEVER, I do want to give Angela a chance to finish this narrative before being too harsh on her. The show is ending! We don’t even have to wait that long to see where she is going with all of this.

WHY do I have faith in Angela for the spinoff?? Cause of everything I’ve seen in s9 and s10. We had some of the shippiest Caryl scenes ever. She did that. She brought the Caryl bond back, when it had been forgotten for what felt like too long. Also DIVERGED. That is the trope-ish shit ever! and Carol and Daryl are basically separated the whole episode. Angela has been pretty clear when it comes to understanding Carol + Daryl = SOULMATES. It may be a bumpy road but, no matter where it takes us, we know it’s a dream destination - CARYL SPINOFF!