#hazhin hotel hell

[raphaellight]

What puts people in heaven and hell?

Despite having clues enough to MAYBE tell what definitelly doesn't influence whos in hell and who's ending up in heaven, I feel I didn't post for a long time enough to list possible ideas.

Let's start with what we know. Adam is in heaven, despite being a propostrous dick, while Angel still sits in hell, seemingly only because his soul is sold.

Leading PROBABLY a rather good life, with how much children appreciated her and how she stopped the class just to call her husband to wish him best on his birthday, Teacher for Helluva Boss ep. 1 ended up in hell after one, brutal, yet rage induced slaughter.

Souls just appear in heaven and hell, without any known trial. Even if there is some "soul limbo" where people are judged, they don't remember it.

Sinners can't leave the Pride Ring. (yes, it might be important to the topic). We don't know if winners can leave heaven, but noone said they can't so we can assume they can.

Also St. Peter has a list of People permitted to enter heaven.

What does it gives us?

"Lucifer" inspired idea, human soul is bounding itself to hell. A thing about "final death" of sinner is, their soul still wanders hell after being strucked with angelic weapons. Sinners can't leave Pride Ring. Maybe it's not that they can't leave it. Maybe the doors are locked from the inside. Pride, in christian philosophy/morality considered probably the worst of all sins, is the very thing that stops people from change. To deal with an issue, you need to admit you have one. To become better, you have to admit you're imperfect. I propose the symbolic connection between Pride Ring being the prison of sinners: they have to admit they want to go to heaven and want to change. You need to admit you aren't in your own heaven, which also is one of the preveiling christians idea. "Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" as Milton states. “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'". One of the things that connects people living in Hazbin Hotel, Angel, Husker and Sir Pentious (not counting Alastor and Niffty) is that they admit they are unhappy with how things are going for them. And you know what, for the fact story takes place in hell, they are extreme minority among hell's residendts. And maybe that's what it takes.

Look, everyone asked in ep. 6, "How isn't Angel Dust in heaven?" Apart from the biding contract, that may prove to be very hard issue to deal with in his way onto heaven, what if Angel already is in the good will? What if Lucifer opene a portal to heaven, Angel could just walk into there and no magical borders would appear.

That would explain Sir Pentious'es redemption. His demonic body if killed of, but because he pushed his Ego aside, because Charlie inspired him to admit he wants a better life, pride was no longer binding him to hell, his soul instead of wandering it left towards a figurative and literall light. And when he entered heaven, he got a new body. Vivienne herself said, that every sinner has a "heavenly form". What if all it takes to conjure it is to come to the gates of heaven and allow it to appear.

That doesn't explain a list. But just as with anything, we don't have a lot of information about it. It might have been just to place a known image of heaven. And pages of this book seem to be written by hand, possibly by St. Peter, so maybe he doesn't know before hand, but he enters those who appear.

So how is Adam in heaven? Well, because, despite his utterly twisted acions, he genuenly wanted to be there. He was truly not bound by his pride, at least in time of ascending, that he was not pulled there.

Or he never ate an apple. Of course christian story of Adam and Eve says otherwise, but take notice, intro to Hazbin Hotel actually specifies only, that Lucifer and Lilith gave apple to Eve. And then Adam, in the first episode, says "I never made a mistake in my life". I would say, that even for someone as egocentric as Adam, he would never say eating an apple wasn't a mistake when it placed evil in the known world.

But wait, what type of Evil?

"Not everything is spelled in ink." Sera says to Emily, when she asks about what decides who gets into heaven. And in the intro, when Charlie explains the story of heaven and hell, moment of eating an apple is the moment images shows some type of red, poison like entity, growing of it. Angels were shealding the world from evil. Eating an apple allowed it to enter the earth. It is represented with Eyes. And we know for a fact of concept arts of waiting to appear demon called Ruth. It's an element of that evil, that had to enter someone's heart for him to get a possibility to enter hell as a sinner. Because by defeault, everyone is destined for heaven. That's why Adam could enter it.

Or it is that he was still a semi-good guy when dying but phew thousand years in a country that says "You are better" did their thing and he became what we knew him for. Egocentric megalomaniac, who's acions are despicable and who's songs slaps.

Possible that I will continue this post, yet still just putting it for now as it is. Want to know your thoughs and follow for more of post like those

[dnpanimationstudioclone]

What 🌈Hazbin Human🌈 design or even name do you like the most? Why do u like that one specifcally? I’d love to know💖

[s-exy-sapphillean]

Okay i'm actually going to explain

Tying not to rant abt hazbin but it was wildly disappointing to me that the idea of redeeming sinners didnt actually rly go anywhere (in my opinion). And the whole concept of the foxes as a team in aftg is second chances right? And while it's not a focus of the story it's still done better than in hazbin lmao

So, not a 1:1 translation, just taking some hazhin concepts & the setting:

The moriyama main branch as the rulers of heaven

Tetsuji, Riko and the Ravens as the equivalent of Adam, Lute and the exterminators

Kevin as a dissented/cast out exterminator like vaggie

The hotel as probably the most different. No affiliation to any hellish royalty. Run by a literal saint, Wymack, who has been trying to oppose how heaven runs things but hasnt found much support since he hasn't yet been able to prove sinners can actually be redeemed. Literal angel Abby by his side.

Cherub Bee who fundamentally disagrees with how the roled of cherubs have changed in heaven and believes her job of protecting and redeeming souls can best be carried out with sinners in hell, so she joins wymack's project

Other big difference being Nathan as the Devil. Direct affiliation with heaven, still acting on their behest for the most part

Neil, son of the devil, trying to hide away from his father, no clue about the connection between his father and heaven thinks that mby, especially with his angel heritage, he can escape his father by getting into heaven through the whole hotel project.

Kayleigh Day as Eve

Mary Hatford as Lilith

Foxes as a varied assortment of hotel guests, some more enthusiastic about second chances and redemption (renee, nicky, matt, dan) than others (seth, andrew, aaron, allison)

Drake is in hell too. Big focus on how fucked up it is that andrew was damned to the same place as his abuser & aaron was too for killing his twin's abuser (i'm thinking different timeline when they were alive: aaron kills drake, andrew crashes the car to kill tilda but dies too, aaron succumbs to grief and addiction)

I have put way more thought into this than i like

Possibly the worst idea my brain has cooked up:

Hazbin AU of All For The Game