#hannah was just a triggered white girl ngl

[glossvogue]

lemme rant about 13 reasons why

I think this show started out very well, the plot is new and amazing, but things went downhill too fast. (CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!!!!!) 1. I felt like the series took it too far, making Hannah make a big deal over the slightest things. I know some people are weaker than others, but the way the show pictured it was ridiculous. 2. Major character flaws: Okay ik what happened to Hannah was tragic and shouldn't happen to anyone, but she kinda set herself up?? - she continues going to parties though she knows it'll turn out badly - she reaches out to the wrong people; when she talked to Mr. porter she called people "not her friends", but those same people are the people she reached out for time and time again. - her character doesn't seem realistic at some points. what kind of person wouldn't have trust issues after what happened. The fact she just kept going to the same people in the same crappy school she goes to was kinda, hunty WYD?? (yall listen to drake and quote his lyrics but still don't have trust issues smh) - she was a hypocrite. No one can argue with me on this one. Making all these tapes, telling people how the smallest things done to her caused her to kill herself and how it all connected somehow towards the end. She didn't help Jessica either. She didn't go against Sheri and tell anyone what had happened that night. On the list she made at the end she should have put herself on it too because tbvh she, herself, lead to her downfall. In my opinion, along with Bryce & Courtney Hannah was my least favorite in the show 💁🏾‍♂️ - she should not have made a tape for clay. I understand she wanted clay to know what happened but at least make him a special one only for him or smth. The poor boy was about to kill himself for something he didn't know. Hannah literally said "get away from me" "leave me alone" and she still somehow found a reason to blame clay for what happened and it's not okay. Clay asked her what's wrong, did something happen; she pushed him away. Sweaty, we've all been there were you want that certain person to come after you, to comfort you. But in that situation how tf would that be okay? They were about to have sex and she said to stop, If he were to stay behind and say "no Im not leaving" that would have seemed very,, y'know,, yall understand where I'm getting at?? 3. STOP👏🏾DEFENDING👏🏾JUSTIN👏🏾 Idgaf if this boy has a horrible family life. That doesn't justify his actions. - The fact he didn't tell Jessica what happened was sick. Yall use the excuse "he just wanted to care for Jessica". Hah damn right. He cared more about defending Bryce than his own girlfriend. I'm so glad Jessica left him. - He also has major issues but yall care more about his looks than his mental state smh like how he legit mentions killing numerous people in the show and no one thinks highly of it like come on 4. The show needs to tone it down on the triggering scenes. - I get the warning placed at the beginning of the episode but was it necessary to really show her doing it?? I admit I get triggered easily by that type of stuff to the point I can't even feel my legs, but I never suspected they would go as far as to actually showing her doing that to herself. - they repeated the rape scene so many times and in so many different angles like what was the point? They could have just shown flashbacks of the girls groaning in pain or something not actually showing what happened. It was okay to deal with at first but they showed it again and again and again like ok I get it. And let me finish with this; I've had depression, majority of the stuff that happened to Hannah happened to me, but a lot worse than what has shown in the show. I understand everyone is different and has a different way of dealing with others. But I feel like Hannah, as a new icon of a teenager experiencing depression, should have been way better. I feel like the show was a nice attempt of showing what could happen in life if you did something you regretted, but like it or not that's just the way life is. Making tapes that make people remember what they did instead of maybe giving it to everyone so they would know what might happen if you say/do this to another person was just petty af (Hence all the memes lmao) I have more to rant about but lemme stop here before someone wants to attack me🤧

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Nightmare Time Episode 3 Thoughts

I usually save this for the end of my thoughts but I have to say this now. OMG MATT DAHAN!!! I WILL NEVER NOT BE IMPRESSED BY HIM! Usually with the episodes I catch 1 or 2 motifs but I swear I caught everyone this time. And they all fit so well. My attention was evenly split between the music and the story this time. It was so freaking good. Matt deserves all the awards like omg.

I think this is the least laggy the theme has been. Good job going all out for the last one!

I said to my mom "Did Shashona record this video?" and she did!! Great cinematography Shashona!!

I also pointed out the Tim's daddy mask. I said "Aww he's wearing a mask for his son!". I guess my mom got confused and forgot Tim's name because she thought I was talking about Dylan's (nonexistent) son.

THE DRILL PRESSES!!

LEX AND ETHAN

I kind of already knew this but I love that Ethan knows cars. I just likes that he has a hobby.

Lex cares about Tom so much I love it.

WHY DID JANE TRY TO KILL ETHAN?!?!?!? TOM DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO HIM!!!! DID SHE HAVE SOME PERSONAL REASONS LIKE WHY!?!??!

That Lexthan interaction was so cute. I love how he saw she was super sorry and scared and he just stopped being mad and comforted her. They are so cute I can't handle it!!

KENDALL!!! Ok so through out this whole thing I know everyone was excited for their favorite character to come back but I really just wanted to see Kendall again. I guess after BF I assumed we would never see her again because I couldn't see them working with children becoming a normal thing. But when the original cast announcement came out I got so happy to see her name. So I was super excited to see her.

Her covering her hair with a beanie looks better than the wig

UNCLE PAUL I'M SOFT I CAN'T HANDLE THIS!!!!!

Cineplex Teen is like Larry from tawog. I guess we should start calling him Obnoxious Teen then. Until we get a name.

I love that Tim immediately likes Becky. Wish I could say the same for my stepparents.

Santa Claus Is Going To High School bb. Also I want to hear the rest of that song. Also also how many wigs does Lauren own?

TONY GREEN

Why must they make love to this movie everytime? Can't we simply just watch it and make fun of like normal people? That way Tim can enjoy it too.

Good for Jane for making sure her son doesn't have to eat disgusting school lunch. She gets good mom points.

Aww Becky reassuring him he's not a Dummy

Becky is like really horny this episode. Honestly Tom's into so go ahead girl

JAIME IS JANE

OK OK OK SO Jane said they were driving home from her parents house. Which means they were still alive when Jane died. That was only a year and a half ago so the Perkins parents might have died more recently than we thought. It's like Spring of 2019 right? So Jane died around Fall 2017. I don't remember if this was said in the show (it probably was and I'm saying nothing new) but I think Black Friday takes place about a year after her death. Tgwdlm took place October 2018. They have to have died only a few months before then. How long had Emma been in Hatchetfield before tgwdlm? Maybe there is a possibility we can see a flashback of an interaction with her parents depending on how long it's been. Also that means Emma lost her whole family in the span of a few months omg. And Tim lost his mom and his grandparents in that time. I want to see how they grieved with all of that. Also I know I'm crossing universes here but Emma also almost died the same day Jane did. Some strange force must really have it out for the Perkins family. Good on Emma for surviving like a champ.

Ok so I thought they went scouting for girls because Jane didn't want the man she loved to have to devote the rest of his life to a car. I thought she was trying to help him move on. She was getting good lover points but those have since been redacted.

Jane is definitely bi and I love that for her. I don't care if she tried to kill her new crush. It was new enough for it to mean nothing.

GREENPEACE GIRL

Tom does look like a creep ngl

Jane reminds us she's a car a lot. Like girl we get it.

No. No. No. NO NO NO NO NO NO NOPE! We're not talking about it. I don't want to. I stared at James the whole and honestly same dude. I saw Nick in my peripheral vision and loved/hated that he was laughing. RIP to me watching this with my mom. RIP to Kendall. Actually rip to everyone who had to sit through that. RIP to Jaime and Dylan for having to perform that. RIP to the cursed rehearsals. Matt and Nick seriously took the time to sit down and write that. What the heck you two?!? This made me more uncomfy than the entirety of mamd and Ted's character combined. I wish I was exaggerating. Maybe this was just me but it felt longer than it needed to. The relief and worry I felt when Tim walked in is a feeling I can not explain. Glad he was clueless.

Tim sweetie I love you but SHUT UP

Jane is crazy and Jaime is doing such an amazing job at portraying that.

Yes Tom. Because grave digging is way crazier than possessed cars.

I asked my mom why the didn't just go grave digging for Jane's body but my mom said the body is probably all rotted and gross so that explains that.

Why didn't Becky just go inside? If she went far enough I doubt Jane would have been able to hit her even if she managed to break into the house. Also let's assume Becky's house had an upstairs. There, perfect safety.

Did Becky seriously die in the same woods as Stanley?

Ok so I thought the tree thing was a reference to little Irish girl Becky from the Black Friday sk10 stream. But now it seems like something more serious and bad happened so I'm curious.

DID JANE GET TOM ARRESTED?!?!? It seemed like she could drive herself at that point. Why not let him get out and get Becky yourself? Is this that self confidence thing Tom talked about?

Is she really about to have her son be obsessed with Ms. Becky for the rest of their lives or is she gonna tell him?

This next episode made me physically jump twice. I say literally a lot but I promise you I'm using it correctly when I say I literally jumped.

KENDALL'S SINGING

I saw the thing about the ukelele being a bday gift from the cast so this was super sweet

Ok personal time. My grandmother's name is Pamela and my mom decided to permanently cut ties with her a few months ago due to her abusive behavior. Me and my sibling are still allowed to talk to her whenever we please but we haven't seen her as much as we used to. I got kind of scared watching this with my mom because I was scared this would trigger something. She didn't say anything and I didn't want to bother her about if she was fine so I didn't say anything. Anyway this just kind of hit different for me.

JAIME'S RANGE OMG

"I want to be alone with my man." Ms what are you about to do to your Tv?

DON'T GIVE HER BEER

Duke seems chill. I like him.

LEX AND ETHAN GOT ARRESTED!?!?!? FOR SELLING HER PILLS!?!??! THAT SHE TOLD THEM TO SELL!?!?!? I HATE HER!!!

Does Ms. Foster have a type or is being male good enough?

Hannah's 14? I thought she was the same age as Tim. I could have sworn in the BF commentary track they said she was 9 or 10. Did my brain make that up?

How does Kim change her hair so quickly? She did this in episode 2 too? I could never. I am very impressed.

Curt and Kim talking over the phone while standing shoulder to shoulder was funnier than it should have been

Ms. Holloway is cool. YAY MOSTLY GOOD WITCHES

How does Ms. Holloway know? I need a backstory please!!

Ok so I saw Jon in his cape and thought he might be the with. But then I saw James in his cape I y'know stopped thinking that. Anyway I'm obsessed with Jon and James in capes. Kind of wish Corey had one too.

OH I JUST THOUGHT THIS AS I'M TYPING NOW ok so that tree she was talking to at the beginning was one of the tree people. I'm embarrassed it took me this long to realise it.

Hannah is way too calm about these talking trees and sometimes spider ladies. I respect that.

There was a lot of black and white theming in this episode. More than normal. It makes me more curious about what exactly Hannah's connection to it is.

Hannah almost died in her own mind. I was kinda hating Ms. Holloway in this moment because she forced Hannah to go into her mind. But I know she had to so I'm cool with her again.

THE STARLIGHT THEATER

Did she really say just don't be scared next time? Like miss some actual advice would help.

CAN MS. HOLLOWAY'S MIND LEAVE HANNAH ALONE?? Like I know you didn't get the reaction you wanted out of her but you're seriously gonna give up and go for a little girl instead. Pathetic.

"What's shakin', Banana?" That was the first time I jumped.

WIGGLY

What exactly is that 6-legged girl? I wish we had a visual. Also how couldn't Ms. Holloway help her? What was her issue? Npmd you got anything for me?

Wiley. Just seeing him come up. That was the second time I jumped.

Also everyone already said this but props to Joey for his commitment. Shaving in between episodes like omg sir you didn't have to go all out for this. But you did and I appreciate you for it. Also HE KEPT THE JACKET?? WHAT!??! Just fully committed to this character go off Joey!!

Usually I would laugh at stuff phasing through the green screen but this just made it creepier.

HOLLOWAY AND WILEY/WILBUR BACKSTORY PLEASE

But also I love how the script had him listed at Wilbur above his lines. I remember Nick called him Wilbur once in the commentary track (possibly by accident) but it's nice to have it in cannon. I don't remember I any of the characters called him Wilbur because I'm so used to seeing Wilbur and Wiley used interchangeably but this was just nice to have canonized.

DUKE PAY ATTENTION!! FREAKING USELESS RIGHT NOW!!!

Dang Wiley she was already being choked in the physical world you didn't have to choke her in her mind too calm down

YAY MORE DOLLS

NICK I WAS KIDDING ABOUT AN APOTHEOSIS DOLL

Is the mouth one (I see we've named him Nibbly. Good because his full name is too long to type out) gonna be the npmd villain? The pick color theme seems cool.

ANGELA'S TRANSITION THOUGH!!! Omg she switched roles seamlessly. And her voice too!! Go off Angela.

MARIAH IS WEBBY

This is random and unrelated but I never noticed how big Mariah's eyes were before.

So Webby and the Doll Gang are all siblings? I find it interesting that the were described to all where black. And Webby's color theme is white. Like how the good and bad ukeleles were white and black. This might sound really dumb see as we don't have a 100% accurate visual of the black and white but I wonder if Webby ever left would it be 100% black? Like if Wiggly went through the portal would it become a little less black? Does this make sense? Also I'm starting to see the black and white as less of a bad place. Its starting to see more ominously neutral.

Hannah's favorite show is He-Man no I do accept criticism.

Ms. Holloway is a nerd. She saw Hannah make the reference and was like "Huh. I f she likes He-Man maybe making this hat a reference will make her like me." She would only know if she watched the show. But then again she seems to be stuck in the 80s so maybe she just thinks that's what's popular with the kids.

MS. HOLLOWAY PLEASE GET LEX AND ETHAN BACK

AND ANOTHER GREAT SONG TO END IT OFF

This episode was......a lot. So much happened. Loved all of it. I am scared of Nick and Matt's minds but also incredibly grateful for them. As usual everyone's acting was top notch.

I love this episode.

Also I'm just gonna say it. Jon ruined Nick's season one reveal.

[meggannn]

apparently the 13 Reasons Why adaptation "fixed" the problems from the book at Selena Gomez' request but idk bc I don't have netflix

[[TW FOR DEPRESSION, SUICIDE, TALKS OF RAPE]]

I can’t really talk about whether or not they succeeded in “fixing” the book with details – I read the premise of every episode and I know enough to know I won’t be able to watch the show – but from what my friends who have depression and have watched have told me, I don’t think they succeeded, ‘cause my main issues with the story are wrapped up in the premise, and it sounds like they just made it worse ngl.

I want to be clear it’s not just a few things with the book I found problematic or take issue with, it’s the entire nature of the thing. that a straight white man, with no teenage daughter, bases this book off of his experiences in high school (over 20 years ago), decides to write a try-hard story fridging a teenage girl struggling with depression who commits suicide, all to teach other boys and girls in high school to be nice to each other – that shouldn’t have been necessary. why should a teenage boy have been the hero of that story? why does a girl have to be brutally tortured and die to make some sad fictional boy grow as a person?

I’m also not a therapist so I realize I’m not entirely qualified to talk here. but there was also the way the show:

outed a closeted lesbian

has hannah baker acting in ways that no depressed person does, blaming other people and pinpointing exact reasons for her depression instead of treating it like an illness that can just get worse from external stimuli, not spark it in the first place

is trying to prevent suicide by apparently using the tactic of guilt (?). not only the guilt of the teenagers who bullied her, but by guilting the victims and telling them “think about your families,” as though they don’t hear enough that they need to “think about someone other than themselves”

ended with ANOTHER teenager attempting suicide because of the tapes, and according to a friend he apparently succeeds (?). I don’t remember this being in the book – maybe it was – but if it it wasn’t, just. literally who thought this was a good idea???

SHOWED THE ACTUAL SUICIDE. oh yeah, and a rape.

meets any criticism of the show with the most asinine defense i’ve ever heard. i’m already seeing pieces about how “they had to show it because it’s an ugly subject matter! they wanted it to be realistic!” but bare bones ideology here, if you’re going make a show talking about suicide to help depressed people, the first fucking thing is not to show it. if your response to that is “well then they shouldn’t watch it, ‘cause it won’t be for them!” then it wasn’t really made to help depressed or suicidal people, is it? if you cannot safely show a random scene to a handful of people struggling with depression without majorly triggering half of them, then it wasn’t designed to help them, it was to help everyone else feel cooler and more enlightened for having watched it.

and I didn’t read the book feeling any more enlightened about bullying or depression when I was finished. I felt hollow and unnerved knowing it was written by a grown man who had clearly never been a teenage girl in his life, writing a story to make a fictional boy feel sad. love cannot cure depression. you can try, period, that is the bare minimum you should do, but one person’s love and even the nicest group of classmates will not be enough to cure depression. it is a mental illness, not a series of events, however horrifying, that someone can pinpoint with that type of accuracy that leads to blame. (ptsd is another matter.)

like, there’s a way to talk about teen bullying and depression in fiction in a respectful way. this is not it.