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idk if i've talked about this before but i hate the name jack napier so much. honestly i hate all names for the joker other than joker and jack napier is just the most common one i see in fanfictions and it makes me so irrationally angry. don't call him that. even if that used to be his name in that particular continuity if he wants to be called joker please just call him joker.
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some trans Jeff thoughts:
he realized he was trans in elementary school and just went fuck it I'll just start introducing myself as Jeffery and see if anyone decides to stop me (as we know, jeff winger can get away with almost anything)
he got top surgery the second he could afford it (around the same time he started at his law firm), and probably bribed someone to keep it a secret
"I'm jeff winger and i would rather look at myself naked than the women I sleep with" are the words of a man proud of his transition
he's really insecure about his fashion sense, which is why he mostly dresses like the douchey guys at his firm in the start of the show, he thought you can't go wrong with the sleazy lawyer look
he will never admit it but he feels super good about the dean hitting on him, because the dean is a (cis) guy, acknowledging that Jeff is more manly than him
i think he starts out stealth and comes out to everyone one by one, probably starting with abed because he knows abed won't judge him and will probably just see it as an interesting backstory.
abed just says it's cool and maybe worth a prequel exploring Jeff's transition, and jeff asks him to predict how all of the members of the group will react to him coming out.
abed's predictions:
britta will be over-the-top supportive and do a ton of research about trans history, probably put together a slideshow just to prove how progressive she is, and jeff will be a little bit weirded out, but also touched that she did all that for him, though he would never let her know that
shirley will be confused, because she doesn't know how someone she trusts and knows so well could be part of a group she was raised to hate, but ultimately realizes that there's nothing actually against the lgbtq people in the bible, and, as a cool character development arch, starts to advocate against use of the bible to justify bigotry
troy will just think it over and decide that Jeff's physique and coolness are even awesomer knowing how much work he'd had to put in to be like that, and respects Jeff's manliness even more
annie will give him a hug, say something sweet about how she'll always love him, and worry about his health, because even she read somewhere that taking testosterone makes you more likely to have a heart attack, jeff will explain that the risk is still only as high a cis guy, and she'll be the one to always remind him to take his shots
peirce will say at best say "jeff winger used to be a chick?" and at worst call him a slur, either way there's sure to be a lot of misgendering from him, and pestering to know Jeff's deadname (needless to say, Jeff just doesn't tell peirce)
the whole group goes out of their way to keep their beach trips a secret from pierce (the girls don't want him there anyways, he's too liable to be creepy) even though jeff knows that even if pierce saw his scars, all he would have to do is make up a story about some childhood accident and pierce would never question it
sorry this ended up being super long. can I hear some of your headcanons for him?
YES ALL THIS!!! yes yes iâm fully accepting this as canon oh my god
iâm about to type a whole ass ESSAY at midnight because i have been DYING to talk about this for months ajfdksljk,,, this is going to be obscenely long and i might end up adding even more to it as i continue to rewatch the show because there is truly no shortage of trans jeff content (especially when youâre trans and see transness in every little thing ajdkslfkjs)
spoiler warning for literally everything about this show under the cut <3
i 100% agree, i feel like he realized he was trans super young, especially since in the show we see him as a little kid a couple of times.Â
like look at little jeff with the oversized sweatshirt and little ponytail!! thatâs childhood trans fashion. not to be dramatic but part of me thinks that jeffâs dad left before he fully came out to his family (which gives him even more angst about it, because until that one Thanksgiving episode, heâs never able to prove to his dad that heâs a better man), but part of me thinks that his dad left after he came out (which adds that spicy i-should-have-stayed-in-the-closet guilt that he has to work through).Â
either way, because his dad wasnât there, he had to base his concept of masculinity on something else, which was becoming a lawyer!! thereâs some line thatâs like âafter the dust and divorce papers were settled the only man i looked up to was [the lawyer guy]â. like, replacing your father figure in your mind with the concept of âa job where you can talk your way in and out of anything and distort other peopleâs concept of realityâ? thatâs trans.
 and the fucking THANKSGIVING EPISODE... i struggle to watch it without crying hehe <3 yeowch! the dichotomy of willy jr. being the âwrongâ kind of man because heâs âtoo softâ but jeff also not being enough despite adhering to all the social standards of masculinity... fuck!! this whole scene of him telling his dad âi am Not well adjustedâ and talking about how he gave himself an âappendix surgery scarâ when he was a kid and he still keeps the get-well-soon letters from his classmates under his bed? oh my god. the implication of people loving him not despite his scars but because of them?? trans. i canât think about this episode for too long or iâll start yelling.
OH and this scene? where he talks about how his mom got him a girl costume for halloween?? and everyone said âwhat a cute little girlâ and after a few houses he stopped correcting them?? and âonce the shame and the fear wore off, i was just glad they thought i was prettyâ?? THATâS TRANS... the man needs validation oh my god... and then in all the halloween episodes we see he has these ultra-masculine costumes (a cowboy, David Beckham, one of the fast and furious guys even though he never watched the movies, a boxer with his DADâS boxing gloves... god) costumes are about becoming something else and he always chooses to be hypermasculine and that is trans.
THE PHYSICAL EDUCATION EPISODE!!!!!!! being uncomfortable during P.E. is a queer experience. period. but him being specifically uncomfortable in the clothes someone else is assigning to him? trans. âare we gonna talk about clothes like a girl? or use tapered sticks to hit balls around a cushioned mat like a man?â TRANS. and him eventually stripping in public? celebration of transness. and the fact that he eventually becomes comfortable in both the uniform and his own style!! trans!! god i love this episode.Â
AND AND AND!!! the gay dean coming out episode!!! where itâs the three of them discussing the best way for the dean to come out as gay despite not entirely identifying with that label!! so we have both frankie and the dean who are sort of ambiguously queer, and jeff whoâs a stealth trans man whoâs probably only out to only the study group at this point. this scene where the dean and jeff have this like eyebrow communication while frankie is talking is just so cute. queer-to-queer communication. âI am so curiousâ âoh?â âintellectually.â âoh...â ajfdksljfk this scene just screams high school GSA to me and i love it so much.
and SPEAKING of the dean!! i totally see you on that. i feel like jeff has some internalized homophobia/biphobia (like heâd throw punches over someone else, but when it comes to himself he has a lot of shame). and also seeing the dean so confident in all his different outfits/costumes has a weird affect on him bc itâs like âokay, the dean, a cis guy, can do that, but i as a trans guy could Not because thatâs Breaking the Rulesâ. which, like, throwback to the halloween thing. of course thereâs no right way to be masculine, but mr. winger does not know that.
another thing!! the episode where their emails get leaked? that includes his emails with his therapist. fuck!! he was outed to the whole world in that episode!! no wonder he was so fucking angry!! this whole episode (and really any time he mentions his therapist) is so interesting when you think about them as a person he talks to about his transition. OH which adds to the thing with the dean!! âand you told your therapist you wanted to be alone this weekendâ and ânot you jeff, i know youâll be visiting your dadâ âI told you to stop reading my emailsâ. luckily his study group has his back and just makes fun of him for emailing astronauts lmao
and WHO can forget âtheyâre giving out an award for most handsome young man!!!!â what else is there to say about this line besides: heâs trans. you know he didnât get awarded enough for being a handsome young man when he was a kid, and no amount of compliments when heâs fully-grown can really make up for that. some people crash a kidâs bar mitzvah to cope with the fact that they struggled to be seen as themselves when they were a teenager <3
also his weird relationship with pierce? where he kind of hates him (understandably lmao) but at times has this almost-friends-almost-father-son relationship with him? especially in this episode where heâs forced to bond with him and ends up having a good time by accident (at a barber shop no less, the perfect place to Be A Man with your Man Friend). idk what to say about him besides the fact that pierce says his mom wanted a girl when he was born and made him dress like a girl (and his middle name is anastasia!) so if theyâre gonna do any bonding over transness itâs gonna be that.Â
okay one last thing and then iâll shut up for the night. this episode kills me (and almost kills jeff hahahahelpiâmcrying). itâs a very Trans thing to not be able to visualize your future self, it just is. growing up trans at the time he did? i donât know what kind of future he saw for himself, but iâm so happy that he ended up with a group of friends who became his family and love him the way they all do. iâm so emotional over this asshole itâs ridiculous.Â
in conclusion:
theyâre trans, your honor <3
#community#jeff winger#trans jeff winger#GOD i'm gonna make a video essay about it if nobody stops me#yall know that youtube channel AreTheyGay? i want to be that but AreTheyTrans#the videos would just b like... jeff community. neo the matrix. bill and ted bill and ted. audrey little shop of horrors. jo little women.#maybe i should start that youtube channel sjdfklsj#thank you for prompting me to talk about this because i think about it twice a day#i might end up reblogging this and just adding different responses jeff has had to casually homophobic/transphobic things that happen#in the show#like the episode that last photo is from when the dean is like#'spring transfer student dance isn't rolling off the tongue so we're calling it The Tr@nny Dance!' 'much more greendale.'#OH AND ACCIDENTALLY KILLING PIERCE'S DAD!!! HOW DID I NOT MENTION THAT EARLIER SJFKLSJ#'you LITERALLY killed a father!' 'well not MINE dummy!!'#alright i need to do my homework now ajfklsdjfl
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i think like.... some of this âfanfic isnt above criticismâ discourse fundamentally is built on some weird ideas and understandings of criticism, creative freedom, and variance in ppl reading the exact same thing.Â
like: just because you dont like a specific thing about someones writing doesnt mean its objectively, concretely wrong, bad, or inappropriate. nobodys going to kill you or jail you or whatever for leaving a mean or unnecessarily blunt comment on someones fic, but it is kind of sad/funny to see people talk shit about writers for ânot taking criticismâ as if their opinion is objective truth and not just.....their opinion.
like: i have had people tell me my writing is too abstract, or it doesnt make any sense, or that i use too many metaphors or whatever. thats their opinion! i have also had people say that me writing the way i do is dreamy/mesmerizing/whatever nice, sweet things they had to say about it. as a hobbyist writer and someone who ENJOYS writing that way i am not going to change it because someone didnt like it, and people being mad about that is... kind of funny to me? just dont read my fic then! i write six line long sentences and use five em dashes in a single paragraph because i like doing it. if you dont like reading that you dont have to read it!
thereâs... of course room for gently calling people out for writing in -phobic and -ist stuff while obviously having no idea that it was -ist or -phobic (eg. having characters misgender a trans character and not warning in the tags, or referring to a trans character as their deadname and using the wrong pronouns until they transition [âx was a girl blah blah she liked blah blah then she suddenly realized shes a boy wow anyway now im getting to the actual story after misgendering my character for no reason. them being trans never comes up againâ], or writing deeply bigoted stuff or otherwise inserting unfortunate tropes in writing) and im not going to say that itâs ~bullying~ someone to let someone know that it seems like their writing reflects their own, genuine bigoted beliefs or misconceptions, and a lot of time people will be mortified and thankful to hear that (and when they arenât theyre usually either openly bigoted, or theyve had other people tell them otherwise and chosen to believe those people instead, which you can feel however you want about).
like: ive left a strongly worded comment on a fic before because it turned out to be completely untagged for the rape depicted in it (as in: no archive warnings apply - not even chose not to warn), and featured a twoc ââââââhaving sex withâââââââ a trans guy, where the author was a white cis person who did not see anything wrong with the lack of tagging OR the damaging tropes used with zero self awareness. i dont think you can NEVER say âim trans/gay/bi/ace/a person of color/a person of this ethnicity and you donât seem to be - did anyone beta read this, because you have depicted the character with my marginalized trait in a very stereotypical way, and idk if thats on purpose or notâ or anything similar. sometimes people who are racist or homophobic or biphobic or transphobic also write fic. sometimes a fic makes your spider senses tingle because of the way something bad is depicted in it.Â
but like and especially re darkfic -Â
when people say âyou need to take criticism when people say your fic glorifies bad relationshipsâ i think... what people fail to take into account is that although sometimes people do in fact write narratives where they do not even realize theyre writing a shitty relationship (this is often made obvious by a complete lack of tagging or a flippant attitude about the actions of the characters rather than anything that happens in the work itself) sometimes when you read a fic and think âthis obviously says that this relationship is good! and that you should read this and think the relationship is good!â itâs not actually an objective, true criticism that the author needs to... idk...rectify? reflection is always good for yknow becoming a better writer and looking at possible issues re: how you see relationships or certain people or whatever (this isnt just writers or artists btw, this is also you as the reader or the consumer or the person, existing in the world), but sometimes itâs just a fic that either was triggering for you, or that didnât fill the specific narrative need you had.
again: i have written unhealthy relationships. i like writing codependence, and relationships with bad boundaries, and relationships where people are in denial about how their relationship makes them feel. i have, ON THE SAME FICS, had people say they thought it was validating; or cathartic; or respectful; or realistic and kind and compassionate portrayal of those relationship AND other people say they were uncomfortable; that they thought the narrative not using the word abuse meant it wasnt meant to be abuse (despite the âunhealthy relationshipsâ tag); that they thought it was disrespectful to write two characters they liked in an unhealthy relationship. and theyre all allowed to have those opinions! sometimes someoneâs writing just doesnât spark joy. but just because you didnât like a fic doesnât mean the writer has failed. when a fic writer has multiple people say âi liked this; this felt real; it felt compassionate and respectful and i will come back and read it againâ and one person say âi think this is badâ i donât think its... evil of the writer to say âyknow, im sorry you didnât like this fic, you might want to read x fic where the story has a happier ending instead,â and not change or delete or otherwise do anything to that fic.
i dont know guys like... again, just because you didn't like something doesnt mean theres something intrinsically wrong with it. and a loooooot of posts here conflate âthis person wrote a fic that uncritically used a bunch of tropes the author did not tag for and thus was not even aware of having used and i have left a comment saying that the implications of that are kinda fuckedâ with âthis person wrote a fic about an abusive relationship/sexual assault/whatever and it wasnât written the way i want those topics to be written about, and i have left them a comment saying that they need to kill themselves for it.âÂ
#man....like......i have seen the fucked up shit on ao3. i truly have witnessed Some Shit. ive opened a fic and immediately backclicked#bc the way it depicted sensitive topics was just very callous and had an air of complete lack of research having gone into it#i have also read fic that i recognized was useful for other people probably but that was intensively triggering to me for no specific reason#sometimes things are handled in ways that arent necessarily...objectively bad. they just dont work for everyone#i rarely want to read any kind of 'this person is in a bad relationship and someone talks them out of it and then theyre happy' kinda stuff#my catharsis comes from the uncertainty of the ending and the emotional parts of the active relationship#theres like.....irl reasons for that. but people also dont need to have any specific tragic backstory to enjoy certain narratives more than#others. idk yall. whatever#long post#disk horse#rape ment
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