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[whateverthedragonswant]

Hi! I was wondering if you saw Kit’s recent Q&A session about Jon Snow? He made some really interesting comments that I appreciate him finally starting to feel safe about coming out in support of Jon’s actions and mindset. One of things I found interesting, that I think you have touched on well, is Jon’s relationships with women. In a nut shell that he’s drawn to abusive relationship dynamics because of his childhood with Catlyn. Would love to hear your thoughts and analysis.

Hey, Anon! =) Actually, I had no idea until you just told me. I feel horrible that I had no idea a convention was happening. That is definitely one I might try out in the future! So thank you for letting me know about it.

The questions were great and Kit's answers were very well thought out, and really gave us a glimpse into how he works as an actor and how he approaches his career and life as well. So I completely agree with you! It was nice to see him starting to finally feel comfortable enough to be honest with his answers about the show, no matter what people might say. As soon as he said he felt it was right when he saw that Jon was going to kill Dany, I literally clapped and went "Say it a little louder for the Dany/Jonerys stans in the back! Someone was paying attention in class!" And it gave me even more respect for him, not only for being able to say that in that room (and the ensuing boos in the mix of reactions was ridiculous but predictable) but also because he gets it. Like he said, Dany gave Jon no other choice realistically; he had to do it. I also appreciated what he said about Jon, Arya, and the NK. I felt he was very respectful to the show but still shared his opinion, while making sure to state that this was his own personal feeling on it. A lot of good stuff.

Before I get to the Catelyn topic, I will mention that the one answer I sort of didn't agree with was his answer about Jon loving Dany. And that's not because it wasn't what I wanted to hear but because that's not the story the show is telling up until Dany's death in 8x06. That wasn't in the final product that made it to air. Tbf to Kit, perhaps he knows something we don't whether that be through conversations with D&D, GRRM, or what the scripts originally stated in a certain draft. Jon fiercely loving Dany or however he phrased it does not match up to what we were shown on screen. But I do believe when the final season aired, Kit hadn't seen it yet. So it's possible, in post production, several changes happened (like certain scenes getting cut, certain takes used instead, etc.) that neither he, Emilia, nor any of the cast members had seen. But I'm pretty sure he implied he has seen it by now so I'm not quite sure, based on his own reasoning, how he still feels Jon loved Dany. But then again, and also tbf to him again, he did not say how Jon loved Dany and he did not directly answer the relation/incest portion of the question. It's obvious in the show that Jon cared for Dany as family and he may have had some feelings for Dany herself, but the show purposely makes sure to focus on the physical with them, never the emotional. So for me, when he talks about how Jon never got time to focus on finding out who he is, this again lines up better to the show/story we got than the one D&D/the cast/HBO/promo was trying to sell us at the time.

Now this leads into the Catelyn comment he made. I found that particular viewpoint interesting but I didn't lend it a lot of weight if that makes sense? Because he kind of mentions it off the cuff in relation to him thinking about it the night prior which makes complete sense that he would be thinking "what if I get asked about Dany? What do I say?" and that leading to that whole thought track. But while I found this amusing as a mention, I not only didn't take it seriously but I also tend to disagree with that take. Yes, Catelyn's treatment of Jon as a child was horrible, and like with any type of trauma, this can be impactful on a person in ways that they don't always know. But for him to seek it out subconsciously or even purposefully? No, I disagree.

Speaking purely from the show perspective, Ygritte challenges him and she can be dominating like Kit says, but she doesn't mistreat him the way Catelyn does. Even when she gets angry at his betrayal and shoots him full of arrows, she doesn't mistreat him. If anything, she proves to be his ally in many ways and even accepts him for who he is (not only as a crow but also knowing that he's not really a turncoat). She wants him for him because she loves him, and every one of her actions speaks to that fact. So that blows the Catelyn thing out of the water for Ygritte.

As for Dany, no matter what Kit's personal opinion might be on the Jon's love for her aspect, she was no good for Jon. And the show made sure to tell that to the viewers in each episode and even Kit himself said "She turns a corner and doesn't really leave any room for him to continue being with her". We all knew that had Dany survived, Jon was going to become her latest barbecue grill project. Dany was abusive to him, she abused the authority she had over him, and she definitely abused the power dynamics between them. And on top of that, she didn't want Jon to be who he was, not just his Targaryen heritage but also being King in the North, a Stark but not in name, all of it. She wouldn't accept him for who he was and wanted him to stay a bastard, same as Catelyn when he was a boy, and stay subservient to her. So for Jon to go from Point A (Catelyn) to Point B (Ygritte) back to Point A again (Dany), speaking strictly from character development's sake, this doesn't jive. Why would Jon go back to that and want to be subject to that type of cruelty (and this time way worse imho) after he broke away from it and not only did he start to get to know himself as a person and what he stood for, but also after he had a different type of relationship altogether? Story wise this doesn't make sense, and that's even before we look at the story the show actually ended up telling. (and this is why Sansa as a potential romantic interest for Jon would have made so much sense imho, she's set up as Catelyn 2.0 in framing but she's not actually Catelyn and she echoes more closely to Ygritte than Dany ever did like some Jonerys stans try to claim; she accepted Jon for who he was & wanted him for him - she should have been Point C imho)

I'm not saying Jon wasn't traumatized by Catelyn's treatment; I believe he was. But in telling this linear narrative that the show did, and comparing it to other characters and how they were developed, it wouldn't make sense for Jon to go back to this type of woman/treatment as Kit's comment infers. So that's why I don't give any weight to it: it doesn't make sense speaking from character development, it doesn't jive with the story we saw, and the way Kit said it was more conversational than it was a full-on answer.

I hope I was able to answer your question thoroughly, Anon! Again, thank you for telling me about the con. =) I still have to check out Kit's general panel. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your evening!!! <3

[poirot]

☕️just wondering why i was such a dick and really want jaime lannister to die in the first season like plz now i really want him to be happy with like 10 kids with brienne ok i should stop this will never happened asghxja but anyway ily sabrina

laniceee, I feel you ! didn’t we all wanted jaime to die in the first season lol but yes I love him so much and I wish he could just marry brienne and live happily ever after but I also have the feeling that he will die next seaon adhaj

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[tatethetully]

catelyn stark, daario naharis, jorah mormont, oberyn martell

catelyn stark: do you miss anyone?

“When I chose to leave Riverrun to serve the Queen, I left behind most of my family. I miss them all terribly. I also left behind trusted friends and advisers. I miss them as well, but I still believe that I have made the right decision. I wouldn’t give up protecting Rhaena for anything short of my father’s own passing.”

daario naharis: what would you do to impress someone?

“Everything I do impresses everyone. I am an impressive man.”

jorah mormont: how loyal are you to the people you love?

“I am as loyal as I can be. My devotion to them is without a doubt, but we don’t always see eye to eye about what is best.”

oberyn martell: do you believe in getting revenge?

“An eye for eye, right?”

[tyathelion]

ygritte, samwell tarly, robb stark, loras tyrell

ygritte: are you free-spirited?

“It is of more value to be free-minded.”

samwell tarly: what is your favorite thing about learning?

“What isn’t to love about learning? There’s one thing that no man can ever take away from you and it is your knowledge. A good book in the right hands is more dangerous and powerful than any weapon. I would far rather have a good library than a beautiful wardrobe. Besides, is there anything more satisfying than quenching the thirst for education. If I don’t know how to build a bridge, I can easily read about it and learn it’s theory. How would anyone not love every aspect of the mere action of learning?”

robb stark: are you a leader or a follower?

“It would depend on my surroundings, though I would venture to say that in most scenarios I prefer to take the lead.”

loras tyrell: do you hide anything about yourself from people?

“If you’re under the delusion that the Mistress of Whispers doesn’t have her own secrets, then I don’t know how to explain the base aspects of this position to you.”

[ashoflemonwood]

sandor clegane, shae, varys

sandor clegane: what is a fear of yours?

“I’ve never been very fond of enclosed spaces. I find it hard to breathe in those situations. I’m also not overly fond of really bad storms. I don’t mind rain. I quite like actually, but thunder is another matter entirely.”

shae: where have you traveled?

“I’ve been to Sunspear several times, Saltshore, Godsgrace, The Tor, and even as far as Yronwood once. Now, I’ve been to King’s Landing, but I would love to go other places too.”

varys: can you keep secrets?

“If it’s a really, really important secret, yes. Otherwise, no. Not really at all.”

[wyllashewolf]

joffrey baratheon

joffrey baratheon: what qualities do you dislike in others?

“Loquaciousness.”

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[whateverthedragonswant]

You really know how to build a case and I love the citations! You know looking back on it all together. I felt Jon has the physical desire intimacy with Dany but the emotional desire intimacy with Sansa. One of my issues with JonXDany was the lack of any emotional foundation or connection. He was always so closed off. With Sansa we had the framing you showed, maybe latent attraction/chemistry (?), and all this unjustified vulnerable desperation on Jon's part for Sansa's approval & reassurance.

I am so sorry for the size of that response lol but I’m glad you liked it. :) I agree, he definitely had more intimacy and emotional vulnerability with Sansa. Like you said, he was looking for her approval & reassurance consistently.

Yes, I definitely agree! I still think that was done purposely but I’m not sure if we’ll ever find out the truth regarding that scenario. The more and more I think about it, I wonder if they cut off Jon’s POV/thoughts when it came to Dany in order to hide the big reveal of her going dark rather than any pol!Jon. I mean, there’s still evidence there for that theory and it would make the most sense considering his character, but I wonder if they thought instead “oh this is how we’ll keep things under wraps and subvert those expectations” -- I just hope we get answers someday on the Jon Snow front. The poor man had his character butchered for it so he deserves some sort of explanation or validation. 

I think you’re right, that was one of the most frustrating things when watching Jon and Dany together and I think that’s why a lot of people thought the two actors had a lack of chemistry. I think it would have been even more of a tragic romance not just for Dany’s side but also Jon’s, especially if there had been some sort of emotional foundation or connection. But I don’t know if they just screwed up on that, were more concerned with covering/keeping hidden the dark arc turn, or needed for it to be something that would easily collapse under the weight of all that was going on in season 8 and for Dany to be completely isolated and alone in order to make that dark turn. 

It’s funny, this is sort of related to Jon and Dany but I was rewatching that vid I linked you on an earlier response for “Queen Of the Ashes” and it sort of occurred to me again “how did people miss that Dany was going to do dark? how did they miss this neon bright paint on the wall spelling it all out?” I know the show didn’t handle it properly but like we talked about, it was all right there. Then it hit me, “wait a minute, how did people miss the parallels between her and the Night King?” (maybe I look too deeply, it’s possible *looks at my last 200 page paper replies & eyes widen*) Like (no huge list this time I promise lol):

7x07, the Night King uses Viserion and dragonfire to break down the Wall so his army can get through to the other side, while Tormund and the others were standing sentry and then are overwhelmed/killed (x); Dany does the same thing with Drogon and dragonfire to the entrance to King’s Landing in 8x05 so her army and Jon’s army can get through to the other side, while the Golden Company stand sentry and then are killed (x)

the fact that they both died by daggers to the heart by a Stark (and not just any Starks, Arya & Jon, the girl who is most like Lyanna Stark and Lyanna’s son who share a close bond, the sister who Jon told to “stick them with the pointy end”) (x) (x)

the visual imagery of the Targaryen crest with the Night King imagery, either in body parts (someone sure got a gold star that day for Arts and Crafts), bodies in the snow, or in the Forest (x) (x)

the fact that neither Dany nor the NK can be burned by fire though GRRM confirmed Targaryens, as a rule, are not fireproof (x) (x)

Dany being born during “one of the worst storms in living memory” thus giving her the name Stormborn; Jon saying re: the NK “he doesn’t bring the storm, he is the storm” & sure enough we see him do just that in 8x03 

the NK can resurrect the dead to be soldiers for him; Dany enthralls practically everyone she meets before season 8 happens, those she couldn’t end up on the wrong side of the dragon or were not important to the main story

the NK kills Viserion with a spear of ice in 7x06 & we know the dragons are “fire made flesh” -- this isn’t an exact correlation for Dany & the NK but the whole ice vs fire theme in general 

the NK has (I know he’s not in the books but the WW have them) bright blue eyes & Dany (in the books) has violet eyes (which as we know is blue and red mixing somewhere there, red for fire, red for Targaryen) that tend to get slightly brighter when she gets angry (I know the violet eyes are a Targaryen characteristic, but she and Viserys were the last Targaryen-looking Targaryens and as we know, he dies, so I’m counting it in this column lol)

the NK was going to kill everyone (threatening the world) & make the world in his image: White Walkers; Dany was going to conquer everyone (threatening the world) & make the world into her new world (”bend the knee or refuse and die”, “we can’t make a new world with men loyal to the old one we have” & her speech in 8x06)

the fact that Ice (Jon Snow) had to take out Fire (Dany) & Valyrian Steel (Dany having the blood of Old Valyria and again, fire) had to take out Ice (NK) 

I don’t know, maybe I’m reading too much into it but damn it’s like a fascinating bread crumb trail to follow, so how could people not think that Targbowl was going to happen? (though not in the way they expected since you know, the show had to “subvert” those expectations, it gets funnier for me every time I say it, sorry I’m a dork) How could they believe that a full Targaryen restoration was going to happen with a Jonerys wedding/endgame? I’m not snarking on them but I mean it literally, how did they miss things like this when it’s right there in not only the narrative but the dialogue:

Tormund’s cheering of Jon in 8x04 at the feast: “Like a madman or a king!” which has Jon looking to Dany worriedly but that one line is the same as the whole “every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin” line with Varys’ whole “I’m not sure how her coin has landed, but I’m quite certain about yours” line (though to be fair, I don’t think Dany was mad in the way that narrative was portrayed in the end with Benioff’s whole “she’s still a Targaryen” -- she didn’t snap, she made a decision, different from the Mad King who “laughed as people died” & had definitely snapped -- which is why I prefer calling her Dark!Dany instead of the Mad Queen & I absolutely enjoy that twist/villainous part of her arc - even though what she did was absolutely horrible and inexcusable, the fact that she chose to do it mixed with her whole story line, I don’t know but for me that just gives it a bit of extra oomph for me)

But I digress (I tend to do that a lot, have you noticed? sorry about that!), back to Jonerys and the intimacy & emotional foundation - I think the biggest change that could have helped that ship sail, pardon the pun, is the 7x07 boat sex moment. Rather than show just the shot of them closing the door with Bran’s voiceover and then going straight to them doing the horizontal mambo, they never once showed us the first kiss they shared that would lead to that point, something that is important for romantic pairings, especially for the “epic romance” part of it. (unless them not showing it was intentional) A good contrast is the lead up to the love scene Grey Worm and Missandei have in 7x02. Not only have they been building up that romance steadily but they give them this romantic moment, confirming this is indeed a romantic-coded pairing and it’s romance aspects. 

Instead, for Jon and Dany, they give us the kiss in 8x01 besides the waterfall because at that moment it’s a romantic setting and that was one thing Jon shared with her about himself. But at that point it was too little, too late. Which is a shame because Kit and Emilia really did have chemistry and it could have been much more tragic, much more emotional, much more heartbreaking, and Dany might have gotten the sympathetic light Emilia had been hoping to have included in her dark ending. (I just realized I may have a few masochistic tendencies when it comes to this stuff) But this only is more proof in the pudding that all of it was simply too rushed. Maybe had we had more episodes, more seasons, hell more time, this may have gone down differently, or at least not felt like a huge fire of a finale, no pun intended.

I think, if I had to guess, Sansa first started having feelings for Jon in season 7 but didn’t realize it until before he came back to Winterfell. I think Littlefinger was very on point when he said to her “I’ve heard gossip that the Dragon Queen is quite beautiful.” “What does that have to do with anything?” “Jon is young and unmarried. Daenerys is young and unmarried.” “You think he wants to marry her?” “An alliance makes sense. Together, they’d be difficult to defeat” & this is right after Jon has bent the knee and given the North away (x) -- he was looking for a way to drive a wedge between her and Jon, to shake her loyalty to him, especially after what he saw in 7x02. You see Sansa wondering what he’s getting at, her face when he says “He was named the King in the North. He can be unnamed.” Not only is she sussing him out, but she’s thinking about it, everything he’s just said. (not that I think she ever thought of doing that to Jon) And even though Sansa outwits Littlefinger in the end, the little seed had been planted, he got through in this last scene. I think this moment sets up for what goes on in season 8 with Sansa’s jealousy when it comes to the love triangle. That whole dialogue is very telling, he knows (or suspects at the very least) that Sansa has feelings for Jon even if she doesn’t yet realize it herself, and he’s exploiting it to get what he wants: the IT & Sansa/the North. So I would agree with you saying it’s a latent development for Sansa.

Jon, we never find out how he feels except in the 8x06 script, but it doesn’t say that he doesn’t love her or can’t reciprocate or has never realized her feelings before then (I think he did, that little smile he has from 8x01 when he and Sansa are arguing and she says “No, she’s much prettier”). So, I’m not 100% sure on that end but I definitely have some questions for Mr. Harington and his acting choices. ;-)

Thank you so much for the ask again, my friend. I have loved diving back into this part of GoT with gusto. It certainly has gotten that part of my brain dusted and off of the shelf again. So thank you. <3 

[candyredterezii]

Thank you.

[poirot]

Opinion: Petyr and Sansa’s relationship was actually really interesting and engaging, even though it was def abusive I enjoyed them on screen together

don’t hate me but I agreee agjad there relationsip was super toxic but I enjoyed watching it lol

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[tatethetully]

sandor clegane

sandor clegane: what is a fear of yours?

“I’m not fond of cockroaches.”

“...Or witches.”

[tyathelion]

bronn

bronn: what would you do for money?

“You understand that you are asking this of a Lannister, correct? I don’t need to do anything for money, and likely, I never will.”

[ashoflemonwood]

theon greyjoy

theon greyjoy: are you anxious to prove your worth to certain people?

“I think that’s obvious. Although, maybe I wouldn’t say my worth so much as my ability to make them proud, but that’s mostly just my father. There are some other people that I would like to prove myself to as well.”

[wyllashewolf]

missandei, margaery tyrell, khal drogo, gilly

missandei: can you speak more than one language?

“No.”

margaery tyrell: how do you get what you want?

“Do I look like a person who ever gets what she wants?”

“If I want something, I take it. If I don’t take it, then I don’t want it bad enough or I want something else more. You can’t always get what you want.”

khal drogo: what does it mean to you to be alive?

“I can breathe. I can hear my heartbeat. I can feel the earth under my feet and the breeze on my face. I can see my daughter’s sweet face.”

gilly: do you ever feel out of place?

“Constantly. I don’t think I’ll ever feel right outside of the North.”