#godhand void

[halekduo]

[paint-it-dead]

Okay but imagine if like... Gaiseric is actually a griffith parallel and its Void who is the guts parallel... lmao. imagine the implications.

[the-falcon-of-light]

family…(?) ♡

[orcarnage]

GODHAND PASTIMES:

Conrad: selling cocaine to children

Femto: shoveling millet into his mouth while sobbing

Slan: googling "lesbians (real)"

Ubik: stacking nose demons

Void: *twirling phone cord like teenage girl* hiiii skull knightt (you can hear a faint "kill yourself" from the other end of the line)

[thekingofwinterblog]

So a bit of symbolism I have never seen anyone comment on is what fingers each of the 5 Godhand of Berserk represents.

From left to right, we first have Conrad.

Starting with the Pinky, there is Conrad. The littlefinger unlike the rest has little symbolism behind it.

He is the forgotten member, the one with a very mundane name, who never really does anything to stand out, and who's demonic form is that of a giant bedbug.

Next, the Ring Finger is Ubik.

The ring finger is the mystical finger, the one given higher signifigance than the rest of a mytholical scale, and fittingly, he is the most blantly open and frequent about making use of his magical powers to compensate for his less than impressive body.

The middle finger is Slan, the one who is the embodiment of everything evil and disguisting about sex in all it's forms.

The middle finger is, fittingly enough, the finger of vulgarity, with the raised finger along with a fist used, having become a go to insult due to it's visual similaity to an erect human dick.

The index finger is represented by Femto, the evil messiah of an artifical, false god.

As the index finger he points the way, showing the path for those around him to follow, wheter if be conquest, or helping him destroy his former, closest friends in the worst manner possible.

But despite appearances, he is not in charge.

Symbolizing the thumb, is Void, the real leader behind the Godhand, the leader who the rest intentionally or othervise follows.

They are all under his thumb so to speak.

He is also the most vocal about the groups misson to enforce the "Flow of casuality", or in other words, putting his thumb of the scales of destiny.

[sweatytyrantobservation]

Whats wrong with the Internet recently, first im seeing pregnant guts, guts as an apple, a behlit shaped potato and now

THIS MOTHERFUCKER

[bottlepiecemuses]

I Will Say It Once And I Will Say It Again Saturn Would Be A Great Candidate For Being A Godhand

Seriously, if Void invaded the One Piece world and met the Five Elders I think he would almost mistaken them as their version of Godhands, but still think they aren't as powerful as they should be. I could almost see him seeing Saint Saturn having the most cruel heart and even offers him to sacrifice his fellow Elders and Imu to become a member of the Godhand. And you know what I have a feeling Saturn would love the offer and even turn on Imu to become reality warping level demon lord. And again in a seinen setting he could get away with more shit than he could in a shonen manga.

[le-tas-d-art]

Ubik, Slan and Conrad of the Godhand from Kentaro Miura's Berserk, each pictured with the novel that inspired their name:

Ubik by Philip K. Dick, 1969

Slan by A.E. van Vogt, 1946

This Immortal (first published serialized as "...And Call Me Conrad") by Roger Zelazny, 1966

Void and Femto are not named for sci-fi novels. The artwork of each character is directly from Miura's Berserk.

[azuredragoonterra]

Alright fuckers time for the most cursed shit you've read today.

Sonic characters replacing the Berserk cast.

Its litterally just Berserk but instead the characters are Sonic dudes. Fuck my brain for coming up with this.

(Also to clarify, I'm not trying to draw meaningful parallels between the characters here, I'm just tossing them into the fiction blender and setting it to 10)

Alright so Guts=Shadow is so fucking obvious I don't even have to say it. Who the fuck else is gonna be that angsty and tragic.

This means logically we need to make Griffith=Sonic. It might hard to imagine the blue blur in such a villainous role, but like, he's pretty hard-lined about his ideals of freedom and independence. I could see him wanting to build a kingdom outta that. (Also he was voiced by Jason Griffith like c'mon this shit writes itself)

Casca=Amy is probabaly hella controversial but hear me out. She needs to idolize Sonic but still be able to form a strong emotional connection to Shadow. Take the badass leader role she took up in the IDW resistance/restoration and she fits like a glove. (Before you ask, I'm not writing this to ship shadamy, I'm just sick in the head.)

Ok so Rickert has gotta be Tails right? Like we've got our little inventor fox, idolizes Sonic, but ultimately has to find his own strength. Oh and can you imagine the slap?! Oblitetate that blue twink you funky lil fox!

Nearly forgot Puck! Initially I thought all the elves would just be Chao but then I realized... he's Chip from Sonic Unleashed. Chip as Puck is nearly 1 to 1 honestly.

E-123 Omega can be Zodd, why not. Big murder man who wants a good fight...

Shit wait maybe he should be Zavok... fuck that makes so much sense...

The Godhand are all just gonna be various eldritch super sonic bosses. Chaos, Iblis, Dark Gaia, etc. Make Void=Infinite for bonus irony points in the name.

The idea of evil is The End

Femto will be played by Neo Metal Sonic. I love the idea that Griffiths transformation made him cold, inhuman, not himself. While still obviously being who he always was underneath. Also keeps with the rest of the godhand being final bosses. Jumping forward a bit, I think when he reincarnates he oughta appear as super sonic constantly.

Ok we got the ever-green characters outta the way let's get granular.

The band of the hawk as Sonic bitches

So I don't wanna put too many iconic characters in the band and the actually relevant characters are sparce so real quick...

Corkus can be Fang/Nack. Cus he's a weasley little bitch (affectionate)

To that end let's keep team Hooligan connected and have Pippin be Bark the polar bear.

Gaston as Bean? Dude I got nothing gaston was kinda just there

Judeau however? Espio. Knife throwing.

While we're in the golden age...

Minister foss is Orbot

Charlotte's uncle, the guy Guts assassinates? Dr. Starline

Queen of Midland... Rouge? I deadass have nothing else for Rouge.

You can probabaly guess who the king and Charlotte are but they are at the bottom of the list for dramatic / comical /gross out effect.

Guts JRPG party as Sonic bozos.

Farnese shall be Blaze. They've got an affinity for fire, confidence issues, noble status, and a religious affiliation (blaze as guardian of the Sol emeralds, close enough)

Serpico is definitely Silver then. His close relationship to Farnese/Blaze as well as somewhat whimsical attitude all line up well. And Silver's telekinesis lines up well with Serpico's eventual wind powers.

Speaking of religious affiliations, Azan can be Knuckles! Hes goofy but strong and devoted to his cause.

Isidro has gotta be Charmy Bee. No not JUST because hes an annoying little shit... also cus his bee stinger subs in well for a dagger.

Shireke is gonna be Cream the Rabit. Mostly this is an in-joke on Creams high power in gameplay, and it also let's her elf Comapnion be played by Cheese the Chao.

By extension to the above. Flora ends up being Vanilia. I ALMOST decided skullknight would he vector just to continue the milf-hunter crocodile joke but came up with something better.

Ok if you've survived this far let's get into the dumb shit cus ohhh I've got some dumb shit.

SkullKnight is Big the Cat. I want all of his ominous warnings in the dopeyist voice possible. Also when he pops his helmet open to eat a Behliet (chaos emerald) it turns out it's actually just froggy in there.

Eggman is the King of Midland, SAGE is Charlotte. I'm sorry for all of the mental images this may have conjured.

Speaking of awful mental images, Gambino is Gerald Robotnik tortured over the death of his Granddaughter Maria when she caught the plague after taking in Shadow. This of all things is the one thing my brain automatically re-writes to make less weird. They ain't fucking.

That said? Gerald did make a deal... a transaction one might call it, with a certain Black Doom in sonic itself... I'm not elaborating yall can figure it out, yuck.

Elaine, aka broken Casca, is mid 2000s Amy when she had no good character traits. (Except elaine is still somehow like a million times better.)

The moonlight boy is a sonic Chao

[bthump]

How accountable do you believe human Griffith is for the sacrifice of the Hawks, considering his mental state, the power dynamic between Griffith and the God Hand and the lies they told him, such as the Hawks "forgiving him" for the sacrifice after the fact, essentially manufacturing their consent? Do you believe that informed consent matters in levying accountability in this context, and how much do you belive Miura intended Griffith's "decision" to be seen as unforgivable?

Honestly I find this difficult to answer because the question doesn't really mesh with how I view fiction.

Like, idc about accountability really, except inasmuch as I think it's important from a storytelling perspective that he has agency when he makes the choice. I enjoy it when characters do bad things for justifiable reasons; I wouldn't enjoy it if, say, Void was holding a gun to Griffith's head and forcing him to say "I sacrifice." There are mitigating circumstances a lawyer might bring up if we were putting Griffith on trial lol, like he's in the middle of a suicidal breakdown and the godhand are telling him a biased version of his life story, but at the end of the day he makes the choice himself, as a cumulation of the way he's lived his whole life, and I love that.

Forgiveable is also a bit of a vague term. By who? Guts? The Hawks? Me, the reader? The narrative? I don't forgive Griffith because I don't blame him in the first place, I just think it's a great climax to a story. I don't think any of the fictional characters in the story should be required to forgive him, but I think Guts would based on my assessment of his feelings about it. But imo NeoGriffith isn't likely to be forgiven by anyone because he doesn't regret anything. And I don't expect the narrative to go in a redemptive, tearful apologies direction with him. I feel like we're kind of beyond that.

But I don't think Miura intended it to be viewed as unforgiveable because I don't think that's how the morality in Berserk operates in general. That's too black and white a perspective. Miura said himself in an interview that he's creating Berserk without the values of "good and evil," and for some people Griffith's world is the one they prefer. The whole point of his narrative is to ask the question of if the ends justify the means, probably without definitively answering it.

Sorry lol idk if this is a good answer to your questions, but yeah it's hard for me to engage with a story as if the characters were real. Like, if I was eaten by monsters because of Griffith I wouldn't forgive him lol, but I'm just reading a story so that's not relevant to me. I don't tend to evaluate stories or characters on the basis of morality, I only care whether the story works, and Griffith's story does. But part of why it works is because the sacrifice isn't a pure evil action, it's a sympathetic, understandable choice.

Thanks for the ask!

[alovelyburn]

Sorry to bother you! I wanted to ask you a question. In this post (https://www.tumblr.com/alovelyburn/702015278075248640/hawkfawun-alovelyburn-re-the-eventual-ending-of?source=share) you said that "...GRIFFITH has died, FEMTO the demonlord just reforms within the Vortex to start the cycle again by being the first of the next set of 5 Godhand. Because in the end you can't fight destiny, and the wheel keeps turning." How is this possible? If you could easily explain in more detail. Thank you! <3

So, one thing we know about the Godhand is that they cycle somehow - every 216 years a new one wakes up, but there's never more than five. It also seems to reset at some point, because if it were like a conveyor belt where one Godhand gets tossed off the end when a new one gets on the belt then there would have been five when Femto showed up, it's just that the oldest would then uh, retire or something. Go wherever Godhand that have served their time go. also, because when we see Void's birth there is, much like with Femto, four others + him.

So if we look at that then it seems almost certain that Void was the fifth/youngest of the previous Godhand cycle. But now he's the oldest of the current Godhand cycle.

This leads to speculation that the Godhand cycle basically works... well that way: the youngest Godhand of cycle 1 becomes the leader/oldest of cycle 2, and then the youngest of cycle 2 becomes the leader/oldest of cycle 3, etc etc.

If we accept that (a theory, obviously, but the post you refer to was all supposition anyway), then the next thought is... well that means Femto is the foundational member of the next cycle. Which makes sense because of the obvious parallels between Femto/Void and Guts/Gaiseric. So the theory I guess would be that Void was the Femto of the last cycle, and Femto is meant to go on to be the Void of the next cycle (not their names, their roles).

Now, from here it's VERY much speculation whereas the rest is pretty obviously derived from canon facts (not that it couldn't still be wrong, just saying it's more solid ground than the rest of this post).

So since Griffith was also the one reincarnated into the world, which is something that happens every 1000 years, my thought was basically, perhaps the fifth of the Godhand reincarnates into the world, and then eventually reascends to take on the metaphorical throne of the foundational member of the next cycle while their four contemporaries go off and do whatever they do. This makes sense to me because Griffith is seemingly destined to set the next age of humanity - this gets said a bunch of times, right? So under this theory, the youngest Godhand of set 1 is incarnated into the flesh, changes the world/sets it in the direction it's meant to go, and then... presumably goes back to being a Godhand and starts the Godhand cycle appropriate to the new age that they just created.

That would mean, however, that once the "human" body is gone, the Godhand goes on - otherwise Void wouldn't be there anymore (under this theory!)

Which is how I got to the end of that post - that even if Griffith's "human" body dies, it doesn't necessarily mean Femto dies. The human body is, as Griffith himself called it, a vessel - he's a Godhand inhabiting a humanish body (a Griffith-like body I daresay), not an actual human.

It also fits the themes of the series because Guts keeps fighting fate but only ever ends up moving things to where they're meant to be. So by this theory, even if Guts kills or causes the death of NeoGriffith, ultimately he has only moved fate farther along by sending Femto back to the Astral plane to start the cycle again.

At one point Miura said one of the questions of the series is whether the cycle ends with Guts or continues after the story is done, after all.

I hope this is neither confusing nor condescending, but if it is, I apologize in advance. I feel a little like I'm overexplaining, but better to explain too much than too little I guess.

[beevean]

It's really interesting that Griffith first appears in the Black Swordsman arc. I guess that means Golden Age takes place before it?

This is an interesting way to introduce a villain! Showing them when they're evil, and then flashing back to how they got there in the first place!

Also, from my understanding, Griffith takes on the name Femto after becoming a demon. Is that a necessity, or him being dramatic?

It does. The Golden Age spans from Guts' birth to the Eclipse. The BS arc takes place sometime after the Eclipse, but before the Lost Children Arc, the one that immediately follows the GA arc.

So yes, you're going to experience Guts' youth knowing that his friendship with Griffith is not going to last and that the guy did something terrible, but not knowing the details until the end. With how long and complex the story is, you're probably going to forget how the manga began. And then you see exactly what happened that made Guts thirsty for Griffith's blood :)

Yes, Femto is Griffith's name after becoming a Godhand. It's implied that it's part of the ritual, since he should have no more ties with his human life. (should. :) )

Fun fact: the names of all members of the Godhand come from sci-fi stories!

The Godhand's names are all references to classic science-fiction books. These books are Destination: Void by Frank Herbert, Slan by A.E. van Vogt, This Immortal (originally serialized as "…And Call Me Conrad") by Roger Zelazny, and Ubik by Philip K. Dick. Femto, on the other hand, is used in mathematics to refer to the measure of one quadrillionth of something (such as a femtosecond being one quadrillionth of a second).

(however, there is another theory that Femto is supposed to be Phemt. But to this day I have absolutely no idea what a PHEMT is supposed to be, so Femto it is lmao)

[mrderbird]

8-17-15 (:

8) you hope more people will come to appreciate _____

ok sorry repeat answer but SLANSCA. it could be soooo good but there's literally NOTHING i've only ever seen one single fanart of them together 😭😭😭 it makes no sense man. i also think the other neohawks besides zodd and locus deserve more attention (mostly rakshas, because i love him) and i think the godhand in general does too. i know that doesn't make a ton of sense at first because there IS a lot of really cool fanart of them (i literally have a shirt with void on it), but it's all epic badass poster-worthy art, and personally i'd like to see them just going about their day sometimes hdjdj

17) the thing in canon everyone loves that you also love

...okay i honestly don't have an answer for this lol. if we're talking about ALL of the berserk fandom, then the sort of two halves of it are so divided there's nothing i can really think of to say EVERYONE loves. i'm sorry hdjjd

15) the character that always makes you smile

GRIFFY of course it's griffy. he's my little cheep cheep :')

also shout out to the little meat guys that come out of the wall in the dungeon. they're so cute. the one that kisses griffith and his ENTIRE HAND just fits on the end of griffith's finger, little fuckin hamster hands like cmonnnnnnnnn that's adorable

[fifthseraph]

Trying to make sense of Skull Knight and Gaiseric and the empire and the parallels with Griffith and Guts and Void and the godhand and what all this means for current events and I just need to read the whole thing again

There were 5 godhand including Void when the empire fell in an eclipse. Void is the only one remaining so it's likely he is the one who sacrificed, he's also probably the sage from the tower of conviction and so was Gaiseric's enemy even before sacrificing and ascending. Gaiseric has no history prior to being king and was a poor ruler. The person who sacrificed must have loved the city and its people to sacrifice them. Gaiseric escaped and became Skull Knight who is neither a godhand or apostle, as Guts escaped Femto. Guts is compared to Skull Knight but Griffith is compared to Gaiseric. Those other 4 godhand are gone, and the new ones didn't simply replace them because there was a spot waiting for Femto. So did Void turn on the other 4? Is Griffith now going to do the same? If Femto opposed the others, what would the apostles do? Would they turn on him without thought or choice?

I don't see it ending in Guts vs Griffith because a) I don't think guts stands a chance against Griffith and the apostles even with Skull Knight and his friends and whatever other allies and b) even if they beat Griffith, there's still the rest of the godhand

[fromtheladiesoflight]

(In a general sense, all of the Ladies that are not Helena are known as the Ladies of Light--this is largely because rather than being a sole Warrior of Light, they are collectively known as a group of Warriors of Light, for reasons that will be touched on in Euphemia's solo profile.) (Expect Heavensward and forward spoilers after the line break.)

(As far as individual titles go:

Mirita is, if informally, called the "Godhand", a title awarded in part by her students O'tchakha and D'zentsa due to how thunderously her blows land when she fights. In terms of how she likes to be addressed, though, she has a strong dislike for titles in general, save for Master/Teacher in situations where that's appropriate.

Khorijin is formally recognized as the Azure Dragoon of Ishgard, but also the Azure Khagan of the Azim Steppe, having claimed the title during Stormblood by defying Hien and choosing to fight in the Naadam along her home clan rather than assist the Mol in winning. Even without her force of arms, the Borlaaq have continued to win the Naadams in the years after Stormblood, thus allowing her to retain the title by proxy as her mother Gorbeljin explicitly states that she only recognizes Khorijin as khagan. She also, if somewhat unintentionally, shares a title with Khoride, discussed below. She will only insist on being addressed by title when acting in official capacities thereof, and forgoes them otherwise.

Rija has a few self-styled titles that she doesn't share with anyone unless she's being cheeky--among them are "Gale-Force Shinobi", "Hurricane Bayonet", "Gusty Snakebite", and "Breezy Step". She doesn't particularly care about how she's addressed otherwise but generally prefers to forego formalities.

Khoride is the Void-Blue Dark Knight of Ishgard, as discussed in her own introductory post. She shares this title with Khorijin, if indirectly, because she was controlling Khorijin's body whenever Khorijin was asleep. Only a select few Brumelings have seen their shared face, and even back then Khoride's lipstick, slightly sharpened features, and slightly different [read: Ancient-patterned] eyes did not make them so identical as to make it easy to pick them apart. As also described in Khoride's introductory post, she has self-claimed the title of Devil Goddess, primarily because she declared herself as such to spite Vauthry before brutally destroying him atop Mount Gulg once she and the other Ladies defeated him. She does not insist upon being called Devil Goddess or Goddess in casual conversation, but those who happen to willingly submit to her, or simply ask for permission to address her as such if they are not interested in becoming one of her supplicants, are more than welcome to use it freely.

Ystride has been called the Icewolf of Ishgard by several close friends, particularly after they tried on a certain set of Warg-ish equipment as a Machinist. They don't mind being called by it but she does occasionally express a little bit of shy awkwardness about it, less so from trusted friends. Otherwise, they don't mind a "miss", "ma'am" or "madam" from time to time, even at their most generally apathetic to gendered titles.

Euphemia, once upon a time, was Azem. She isn't now, and rejects being called as such, but does not mind being called miss, ma'am, etc. That pretty much says it all. [How this works will be explained further in her own introductory post.]

Helena, by technicality, is the queen of her lineage, and thus will answer to "Her Majesty" or "Her Grace", but does not insist on it, as technically she does not have any stewards. [Hrothgar culture in the Ladies' worldline has a few foibles of its own which will also be explained in its own post.] More commonly, she has been called "Captain", which was her rank in the Bozjan resistance for the last part of her service with them, and will accept that, "Miss", or "ma'am".)

OC/WoL Question.

Does your OC have any specific titles or honorifics? How do they feel about these? If they don't have any specific titles, how do they respond to being called Lord or Lady (or things such as Sir, Madam or Mistress)?

[sweatytyrantobservation]

Uuuuu godhand hyperfixation

Slan but beautiful of course