#geraint ac enid

[wildbasil]

predictably, i'm a fan of the theory that the owain ap nudd mentioned in geraint and enid is a spelling error 😌

[gingersnaptaff]

Quick shitpost for you all but ut'd what I think a few of the Arthurian characters would drink at Christmas. With thanks to @gwalch-mei for being my partner in crime and listening to me ramble again.

Arthur: u would think it'd be like whisky or something cuz u know refined, elegant, a very sophisticated drink befitting a king. WRONG. Twenty-four white Russians and then advocaat and lemonade.

Guinevere drinks red wine, cuz ots classy looks like the blood of her enemies and she enjoys holding the goblet and looking like a bad bitch. Just don't tell her her teeth are black pls.

Morgan actually has the whisky because she's tired of her brother's tomfoolery waiting for fuckin miracles and delaying her eating pigs in blankets.

Cai and Bedwyr have Guinness and IPA's respectively because they are doing beer 52 and have become inundated with beers. Bedwyr likes trying new beers and Cai thinks of it as a couple thing. (He does not tell Bedwyr he hates Guinness)

Lance has like a sea breeze. Only one. Spends the rest of the night on water.

Owain and Morfudd get into a drinking competition with the Orkneys (other than Gawain. He's snogging Bertilak in the corner and going on about minty fresh breath)

Gaheris has on sambuca shot and fuckin goes catatonic. Mordred finds him passed out the next day on a bean bag. Lynette has to carry him home. Luned has to carry Owain home but like the crow army helps.

Morgause has baileys. Classic, easy to drink, everybody gets into fights over the last of it.

Agravaine has a dark and stormy cuz he liked the name but it does make him 'look like a knobber' in Mordred's words

Isolde has mead cuz it's sweet and gets u drunk QUICKLY she will need it because Tristan WILL do karaoke later.

Gareth has jagermeister I think. Or like a tequila sunrise.

Dagonet's drink of choice is like a fuckin cocktail with loads of whipped cream on it. Fruity, but also feels like it shouldn't work.

Galahad's is just water but he does the whole blood of Christ thing.

Percival's is either a dark welsh beer, OR a bloody mary but without the vodka.

Tor's is a whisky slammer.

Palomides has an Irish coffee.

Same with Clarissant but she's having like something with irn bru in it to freak her brothers out.

Also, Myrddin and Gwendydd have a bottle of apple schnapps between themselves. Do NOT mention Gwenddoleu at any point in Myrddin's earshot or he WILL cry.

Geraint's is a fireball but mixed with red hot chilli that Guinevere gave him as a prank. He goes so red that she thinks he's actually on fire. Enid is caught between 'holy ahit, my husband's dying!' And 'omg, I gotta kiss the Queen.' (She doesn't drink if ur wondering.)

Culhwch: really strong braggod (honey mead.) He too passes out only to be found on top of the ramparts the next day with a pig hat on his head. Do not ask.

Olwen has a v floral drink that other people are like, 'This is straight-up perfume.' She doesn't dispute it. Like would u? Her dad would kill up.

Edern has something v dark and bitter. He's the Knight of the Sparrowhawk like he has to. (When people aren't looking he swaps it for a cocktail and drinks it while furtively eyeing Geraint.)

Lionel and Bors have three whisky mac's each and then proceed to switch to water to ape Lance. He has to take them home.

[official-wales]

its mabinogion teusday. excellent bedtime stories. go read them

for @kestrel-wylde.

[thisbluespirit]

I mean, even at the time, I think we all felt John had taken Storytime to its peak with that one.  XD 

And also hey @maryellencarter​ (cos I know you also used to have feels about it!!  although that was many moons ago now. <3)

I’m laughing though, that people might find Murder at Mill Cottage upsetting if they read it as a straight AU, because, look, it is narrated by Dr. Harry Sullivan, who has just moved into an Agatha Christie-esque village where Miss Marple lives and people keep asking him if he’s the murderer, because he’s the narrator.  And then the Brig sends a note telling him that he’s off because he’s damned if he’s going to sit around being in some murder mystery story, so I do feel that that would probably be enough of a clue not to take it too seriously!!

(In TTR-terms, this was explained as a fiction bubble, which I thought could be a fun new addition as a floating danger to catch unwary characters in Cliched Plots, but then I was ill for ages and never wrote any of the other fiction bubble ideas I had, and it was not a thing.  It was just one random fic, by me.)

I would like to see the Doctor Who characters put on Macbeth please

short answer: Storytime: Macbeth by @john-amend-all

long answer, some of which you (animate-mush) probably already know, but which will provide essential context without which most people seeing this will be completely lost:

This is going to involve a lot of me explaining memes from corners of fandom I was never in, that happened long before I was reading fic, much less active in fandom. But I have backread every archive I can find so hopefully I won't get anything glaringly wrong. If I do... well, I've tagged some people who were there!

As I understand it, back in the days of Usenet, when fic writers used to hang out on alt.drwho.creative, they, as fic writers do, liked to go meta. The particular means of going meta fashionable at the time was to have a shared 'outside-universe' setting where all the characters hang out when they're not 'on assignment' in a story. In the case of adwc this was a pub called This Time Round, which eventually sprouted a town (imaginatively called Nameless) and various associated institutions.

One of these was a daycare in which child versions of all the characters (which, since people write fic where everybody gets turned into babies, have to exist somewhere) were looked after by, for some reason, Izzy Sinclair from the comics; I don't know why Izzy, particularly, but there she was.

(Sidebar: my favorite part of the TTR stories is actually the school stories--there have to be high-school-aged versions of the characters, because people write high school AUs--which were invented by @heroofthreefaces, who will probably see this, hello!)

Then somebody (I see it was BK Willis, who I don't know if they're still active or not) came up with the idea of 'Storytime.' Various characters--often, though not always, the Master--make Izzy's life harder by reading the children exciting tales. Unfortunately the creche is equipped with a magic Storybook that forces various Doctor Who characters (sometimes random, sometimes quite pointed selections) to act out the events of the story--while retaining full meta awareness and the ability to make snarky commentary. (I particularly recommend the Sherlock Holmes stories to get an idea of how Storytime works, and Gereint and Enid because it's adorable and hilarious.)

Murder at Mill Cottage by @thisbluespirit isn't Storytime but it's also a good 'in' to the TTR world, I think, but you can also read it as just a regular AU, and it's very fun (and cute Sarah/Harry shipping as well), although sort of more upsetting if you read it as just a regular AU, because people get murdered.

I have added all of this context because I tried to make @januarydivide read Storytime: Macbeth without it and she was just like, what is happening here, do the characters know what they're doing or not, if they can make snarky remarks how come they have to play along, I am so confused. (The best I can explain is that, for the characters acting out the story, it's like one of those dreams where you're in a play you've never rehearsed but somehow you keep going anyways. Jan does that help?)

Oh, I forgot to mention that one of the running jokes of TTR is that Nyssa has snapped (from the trauma, presumably) and now spends all her time trying to kill Adric. It's less funny when you just say it like that, I think. Anyway that comes up several times in Macbeth so you should know.

Anyway. So. Why should you care? In Storytime: Macbeth, everyone's favorite time-traveling Scot, Jamie MacCrimmon, and the girls of the Second Doctor era team up to read Shakespeare to the children, and the Storybook does its fell work. Turlough is a reluctant Macbeth, the murderous pawn of supernatural forces--again. Tegan is his Lady Macbeth, grimly determined to chivvy him through the story as fast as possible and get it all over with. The narrator has to fight the witches (as well as toddler!Zoe) for control of the story. It's wonderfully meta, and in the end I think it's a comic meditation on the nature of tragedy. Macbeth is a pawn of supernatural forces; Lady M does see it all coming (Tegan knows the play), and there really is no other way out for them but mouthing the words Shakespeare wrote for them. It's like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, but with Turlough in it. Oh, and King Yrcanos, did I mention Duncan is King Yrcanos? He doesn't take kindly to being murdered by a red-headed whippersnapper. He takes some killing....

Somehow none of the horror of the story goes away even in what is essentially a story about a horrifically ill-judged production of the Scottish Play. But it is, essentially and mainly, hilarious--I feel I need to emphasize that, because I'm being serious about it--it's a comedy piece and it is side-splittingly funny; but that's harder to explain in a post.

Also Macbeth is funny.

Anyway you should all read this, and I promise it doesn't really need all that orientation if you're willing to accept some random weirdness and kind of skim the 'Interludes' that don't have any Macbeth in them.

I said in the comment I left when I read it, and I stand by it: "Completely seriously, Turlough is my favorite Macbeth. And I own the Ian McKellen one on DVD."

[isingletonmajortwo2022]

The Mabinogion:

The Mabinogion is a collection of tales from two medieval manuscripts: The White Book of Rhydderch and The Red Book of Hergest. First fully translated from Middle Welsh into English and Welsh by Lady Charlotte Guest in the mid 19th century. The Mabinogion is a series of eleven (sometimes twelve tales depending on which translation you read), often divided into four groups.

The title of the collection, The Mabinogion, is a grammatical error - Lady Charlotte Guest used the term Mabinogion as a plural and the name kind of stuck. Derived from the word Mabinogi coming from the welsh word Mab, meaning boy or youth - this became Mabinogi, meaning tales of youth/boyhood or tales for boys, but it is agreed that Mabinogi as a term in the manuscripts is more likely to mean Tale. (Though the first four branches are the only tales in the Mabinogion that refer to themselves as Mabinogi.)

The tales mix folklore, myth, historical retellings and Arthurian legends, often concerning magical beings, Annwn or the Otherworld in English and Welsh Royalty. There is no single author of the manuscripts, though it is agreed that the first four branches are written by the same author. The manuscripts originated from around 1100-1400; this dating explains the widely different writing styles and references - each tale references aspects of medieval life and the generally agreed upon morals and ethics of the time. In addition to this, the dates of the stories themselves differ wildly. The first four branches and the Tale Lludd and Llefelys predate Christianity as they contain references to the Celtic ‘pagan’ religion in Wales before Christianity, and The Dream of Mascen Wledig is believed to originate from around AD 383. All of the stories in the Mabinogion predate the manuscripts and come from oral traditions/storytelling - the manuscripts are some of the only written evidence we have of these stories.

The Four Branches of the Mabinogi: Pwyll Pendefig Dyfed/Pwyll, Prince of Dyfed Branwen ferch Llyr/Branwen, the daughter of Llyr Manawydan fab Llyr/Manawyddan, the Son of Llyr Math fab Mathonwy/Math, Son of Mathonwy.

The Three Romances: Owain/Larlles y Ffynnon/Owain or The Lady of the Fountain/Well Peredur fab Efrog/Peredur, son of Efrawg Geraint fab Erbin/ Geraint ac Enid/ Geraint, son of Erbin or Geraint and Enid

Native Tales (mix of folklore and retelling of history): Breuddwyd Macsen Wledig/The Dream of Maxen/Macsen Wledig Lludd a Llefelys/ Lludd and Llefelys Hanes Taliesin/ The Tale of Taliesin

Arthurian Legend: Culhwch ac Olwen/ Culhwuch or Kilhwch and Olwen/ The Twrch Trwyth Breuddwyd Rhonabwy/The Dream of Rhonabwy

The Mabinogion - English translation by Lady Charlotte Guest 1840 - Illustrations by Alan Lee 1982 The Mabinogion - Translated by Sioned Davies Y Mabinogion - Dafydd a Rhiannon Ifans https://www.library.wales/discover/digital-gallery/manuscripts/the-middle-ages/white-book-of-rhydderch#?c=&m=&s=&cv=&xywh=-359%2C0%2C4797%2C4079

[azure-platter-writes]

Meet my knights of the round table

Gawain. He’s a disaster bisexual and non-binary, but he uses He/Him pronouns.  He’s dating Percival. He’s a drama queen, but we love him. 

Lancelot. He’s a gay man and Merlin’s first boyfriend and childhood friend. He’s of Spanish origin.

Gareth. A trusted Knight of King Catigern until he stays in Camelot. Catigern named Merlin’s cat after the knight. He is ace and trans. 

Geraint. One of Uther’s most trusted knights, however, he doesn’t respect her because of her sex. She is Enide’s ex-wife. She’s ace and bi. Arthur knows better than to disrespect her. 

Percival. He’s trans and gay. He’s dating Gawain. He’s a buff cinnamon roll.

All trans characters mentioned above have fully transitioned with the help of magic. Outside of Camelot, magic is used to help people transition if they so choose. Inside Camelot, both magic and anything overtly LGBT is banned and punishable by death. 

tag list: @floralandrogyny @nyxnevin​ @magicalmisstemi​ @luxscribbles 

[firstofficerrose]

Can anyone tell me what Geraint's deal is? The narrative clearly thinks that he and Enid are in love, and he does save her from a bunch of guys attacking several times, but he also seems to spend the whole story yelling at her for trying to warn him that there's guys about to ambush him??? Genuinely, the guy says "dont turn around or talk to me for the whole road trip", which already seems strange, and then he does a lot of flipping out at her for saying "Hey Geraint, there's like 80 dudes here trying to kill you". Yes, she did the thing he said not to do... but consider. There's 80 knights here to kill him, and she doesn't want him dead. Her actions seem reasonable to me!

And yet I think the book thinks he's a protago ist? This dude sucks, right? Right???

I'm working from Charlotte Guest's translation at the moment, I'm waiting on Sioned Davies at the library. Not sure if there's a translation issue or if I just have bad comprehension or if I'm missing some cultural context.

[coggirl]

Morgan Todd turns up in Henry Gilbert’s “King Arthur’s Knights: the tales retold for boys and girls” (1911) and also in the Prince Valiant comics (1937 onwards). A copy of the former’s available here: http://www.public-library.uk/ebooks/11/94.pdf  Gilbert cites Mallory’s Morte D’Arthur and Guest’s translation of the Mabinogion as sources for his stories, and Morgan Tud turns up in the latter, specifically in Geraint ac Enid as the head physician of Arthur’s court where he heals Edern ap Nudd. 

I’m not sure where the OP got ‘Morgan the Fairy’ from - ‘Tud’ as an element in a name usually means land or people (e.g. Illtyd meaning ‘multitude of land’ or ‘Llandudoch’ meaning ‘parish of the people of Dogfael’) or good (as in the river ‘Tudi’, now the Tiddy, in Cornwall).

I don’t know if tumblr ate my ask but I’ll ask again : apparently there’s an obscure character named Morgan Todd (whose a dude). Apparently his name means Morgan the Fairy in welsh and is working as Arthur’s court physician. What’s your thoughts about him ?(please don’t hate him he has no characterization outside of this) and I thought you were cool with Gwen. What happened when I was gone from this Tumblr?

i hadnt heard of this character! what texts is he from? i would assume an earlier welsh source? 

and oh my god there was like a 100 anon guinevere incident but basically i do love guinevere, there are some. Things in text that i choose to ignore bc i know she was written that way due to medieval fears about women, love and power which is such a tangled web i dont even want to get into it. but if you take some of her actions in texts and apply a modern view they do come off as pretty yikes. but if we can decided the entire post vulgate isnt canon then thats not canon too ya feel. so i am cool with guinevere lol but its complicated

[gingersnaptaff]

Thinking about how under the Laws of Hywel Dda (old Welsh law) a woman could divorce a man and take half his stuff (including brined cheese - best not to ask.) So, now I'm imagining Gwenhwyfar and Enid divorcing Arthur and Geraint respectively, and Gwen taking half of Arthur's worldly possessions, which would include both Caledfwlch (Excalibur) and Cafall (Arthur's dog), AND half of Cornwall in Enid's case.

(All this to say that, yes, I defo think Gwen and Enid had a lesbian sleepover in 'Geraint ac Enid.' Gwen was probs pushing for Enid to divorce Geraint. I KNOW it.)

[gingersnaptaff]

I do believe if the Arthurian crowd and Welsh gods got migraines then Gwyn apNudd and Arawn would be working through the pain (Gwyn is also cuddling Dormarch and Arawn the Cŵn Annwfn), Cai is clinging to Bedwyr because he's tall enough that he acts like a sun shield for the bright light, Trystan is probs sobbing in Esyllt's arms as she holds him like 'dude,' Gwenhwyfar and Gwalchmai are both slaying giants to try and make the pain go away, Arthur's asking Morgan Tud for medical cures, Branwen, Enid, and Blodeuwedd are drinking tisanes, Manawydan and Rhiannon are chilling in a dark room while Pryderi and Cigfa gather as much ice as they can to bundle into a bag and put on their foreheads.

Dylan and Llŷr are magicking up water for the ice. Culhwch trying to ensure that everybody is super chill even though they keep demanding fuckin marvels to distract themselves. (Geraint and Lleu are this fuckin close to murdering each other in a pain-induced frenzy.)

Brân's head is the one that's given everybody the migraine. Surprisingly, as Lludd and Llefelys will say later, the Corianaid didn't get a look in even though they were headache-inducing enough. Brân can fuckin NATTER when he wants to, as Arthur discovers after digging up his head.

[gingersnaptaff]

Definitely think both Pwyll, Pryderi, and Cai would do numbers on tumblr. Pryderi starts a flame war with Gwydion over his pigs, and Pwyll tries to give people tidbits of wisdom disguised as shitposts (which backfires massively when he passes off Arawn.) Cai live blogs the various quests Arthur drags him along to and gets passed off when Arthur mocks him with a song. Gwalchmai has to step in when Cai tries to beat Arthur up and Cai snarls that Arthur's 'a second-rate bard.'

Manawydan's one of those chill bloggers. Sometimes he collabs with Lleu Llaw Gyffes on how to cobble shoes. He and Rhiannon run a photography blog.

Gwenhwyfar has a secret group chat with Enid and Angharad. She doesn't post on tumblr but does scroll through her dashboard.

Luned and Owain share a blog where they post wildlife photos. It's well-known that Owain loves corvids. He gets a follow from Bendigeidfran and loses his shit. Luned posts fun facts about bugs. They share custody of the lion.

(Definitely think that Cai and Bedwyr engage in a years-long flirtation through anonymously sent questions. Not cuz they're scared, just cuz it's fun.)

[gingersnaptaff]

🧑‍❤️‍💋‍🧑😈📝 for the arthurian ask game!!

🧑‍❤️‍💋‍🧑 What is a ship you discovered you enjoy this year?

Gawain x Lancelot. Like wahhhh the YEARNING. THE YEARNINNNG. Also, ooof you can see how they love each other and then that love just turns to betrayal the second Gawain's brothers are killed because they were murdered by the man he loved, the man who's destined to kill him. I'm going CRAZY. Forget Lance and Guin, THIS IS THE REAL LOVE STORY OF ARTHURIANA. Also, Gwalchmai x Peredur which is sort of similar but they're just SO SUPPORTIVE OF EACH OTHER. (Also, um, Gwyn and Dylan which, yes, they are my creations but thanks to u, @dullyn and @believerindaydreams am genuinely thinking Dylan might make it unscathed even though he's destined to die and it's ALL OF YOUR FAULTS!!! Respectfully.)

😈 Who is a character you discovered this year? (Negative, beloathed)

Technically I did know about Tristan before this year but I did not know the depths of my RAGE towards him. Just... man, what the FUCK? Also GERAINT. Once again knew of him, but did not know how HATED he would become. Enid deserves better. She's so downtrodden. Headcanoning that she is in a sapphic relationship with Guinevere as we speak. She used Welsh law to divorce Geraint and moved into the Queen's apartments.

[gingersnaptaff]

Helo, drunk as a skunk so if u want to pls ask me things about Arthuriana or Welsh myth if u want!!!

[gingersnaptaff]

Meow meow???

poor little meow meow (“problematic���/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave)

Dylan Ail Don. He is, as discussed, moisturised, flourishing, just an all round good egg.

(If, fifty years from now, they find out somehow that he was awful and Gofannon killing him was justified I'll cry.)

Also, Enid! Never done a thing wrong in her life and I Do Not want to hear if she has!!!

[wildbasil]

i'm not saying edern wrote this but actually yeah i think edern wrote this

[gingersnaptaff]

Doing more on @gwalch-mei 's Christmas present (which I keep referring to as Gwyn and Gwalch's Gossip Corner (feat. An Appearance From Everybody's Favourite Scamp, Llacheu) and thought u might all like this bit about Gwalchmai talking about Medrawd. (Also, dw for anybody interested - I.e. @dullyn just said 'Pryderi has fun uncle status' that WILL be the case in this!)