#genderfluidlucifer

[thetepes]

Hi Bryston @faggot-billcipher

How's it hanging?

Everyone meet faggot-billcipher aka genderfluidlucifer aka criticallyalexandrite

Who has no room to talk since you're basically a clone of Lily! How did those grooming allegations against you work out for you? Since you want to talk about behavior with a minor and all...

You're just another Lily. Pathetic.

[eulangelo]

callout for @genderfluidlucifer

google docs

tw for transmisogyny + TERFs + emotional manipulation

Transmisogyny

Lucifer is a huge transmisogynist who will complain 24/7 about how TERFs hurt the ace community, but the moment @randomclustermissile , a trans girl (who is not an exclusionist at all) tries to point out transmisogyny in inclusionist circles (in the most vague and general way possible, without pointing fingers nor calling anyone names) Lucifer will immediatly jump to block her and so they did with me (another inclusionist) and i have to suppose to everyone else who agreed with that post, even arriving to vagueing about us in private group chats to suggest that we were “sympathizing with exclusionists”. all because we dared point out transmisogyny in inclusionist circles. lucifer is TME but apparently they think they’re the authority on TERFs and their talking points but actual trans women are not, according to them, since this is the stuff that they would go and spew to other people. (screenshots from @enbyoctoling​)

here’s more examples of Lucifer (again, a transmasc person) going deep in detail about how according to them, TERFs/SWERFs hate aro/ace people and are an active threat to us

1. link

[Image ID: Three screenshots of a post by Genderfluidlucifer. The first screenshot is of a paragraph that reads, "Hey. So I can actually answer this. Anon your commentary about how you thought terfs would approve of sex repulsed aces is sort of it. Except...not. Basically terfs hate ace people for not wanting sex in the approved by terfs way. Terfs are actually extremely interested in [forcing] amatonormativity onto everyone. Because for as sex negative as terfs are...they don't want to actually acknowledge or change the fact that amatonormativity is at the root cause of rape culture and misogyny."

The second screenshot is a zoomed in section of the post that reads, "So yeah no I have NO idea where exclus allies are getting this idea from that terfs would even remotely care about the sexual rights of ace people. Terfs generally hate any sexualities in the LGBTQ+ acronym that aren't LGB because they can't force a gender binary onto those sexualities. At least, not as easily. That's why it's actually a massive sign of someone who doesn't call themselves a terf being a crypto terf if they use the term LGB in a positive manner. Along with the term SGA, as it is deliberately exclusive of nonbinary and not inherently SGA centric queer-aligned sexualities. /END ID]

link to the full post, these are just excerpts but the whole thing is just a very long rant about how TERFs hate ace people and so on (i think it’s worth noticing that although the actual post is kinda long, trans women are never once brought op in a conversation about TERFs issues and the only time transmisogyny is mentioned is not relevant to the conversation)

2. link

[Image ID: A screenshot of a reblog by genderfluidlucifer. The original poster is nothorses. It reads, "Because apparently I have to say it: Testosterone is not a 'violent' hormone. It doesn't make you 'more aggressive' or a worse person, it doesn't make you 'dangerous,' or 'toxic.' Transmascs do not need to be 'warned of the dangers of T.' We do not need to spend our transitions terrified that we're going to become a danger to those around us - that HRT is going to turn us into a monster.

Everyone experiences mood swings during hormonal shifts (pregnancy, menstruation, menopause, estrogen HRT, etc.) and while you might have grumpy moments or feel anger/frustration that you need to learn to handle differently, that doesn't make you a bad person.

Testosterone can change the way you access/process emotions somewhat, but if you're already thoughtful about how you handle your feelings and treat others, you're going to be fine. It's normal to lash out on occasion, by accident, then apologize and work to do better. It doesn't make you a bad person. Everyone on HRT is prone to this, and everyone experiencing hormonal changes is prone to this.

Getting HRT should be positive and affirming; you should not have to spend your entire transition terrified of becoming a monster."

The post then has a reblog by captainlordauditor that reads, "The big danger of T is that needle ouchy." /END ID]

here’s them reblogging from known transmisogynist user @nothorses (once again, the irony that a post about how testosterone is seen as the "aggressive hormone" does not mention transfem at all which are literally the main victims of this rethoric in the first place)

3. link (1), link (2)

[Image ID: Two screenshots of posts by genderfluidlucifer. The first screenshot reads, "Queer exclus: We're not repackaging terf rhetoric! Saying that is transmisogynistic! Also queer exclus: Remove the plus from LGBT!" and has tags that say, "I will pay these people to grow some god damn self awareness. Imagine being this dense. Queer discourse." The post has 15 notes.

The second screenshot reads, "Honestly it is so stupid and frustrating to see ace exclus continue to deny that the ace discourse was started by terfs. Proof was given countless times. And a big name terf like galesofnovember even admitted to starting it. Those of you who demand proof but ignore all of this never wanted proof to begin with." and is tagged with, "ace discourse. The post has 38 notes. /END ID]

heres another two post of theirs conflating TERFs with ace exclusionism

4. link

[Image ID: A screenshot of a reblogged post by furbearingbrick. The original poster is boxlizard, Lucifer's old account. The original post reads, "By the way for people still in denial about it, here's galesofnovember, a terf, admitting that she intended to start the ace exclus movement. She's taking credit for it. Normally if the victims of this behavior weren't ace/aro or other queer identities y'all be ready to rightfully lynch her. But since it's us, y'all just still wanna stamp your feet and go, 'Nuh uh!' instead of acknowledging facts." The part that says, "admitting that she intended to start the ace exclus movement" is a link to a galesofnovember post.

There is then a reblogged addition from furbearing brick that reads, "archived versions of the receipts" and has two links to the webarchive. The tags read, "Bringing this back since it's apparently still relevant. Terfism mention. Aphobia mention. Queerphobia mention. Blocklist." and has 1,455 notes. /END ID]

this is their post that ive already talked about but basically they found a 52 notes post made by a TERF in 2012 and this one person said "i dont know why i dont get to be the princess of the anti-ace-brigade" and apparently they are convinced that this means TERFs started the ace exclusionism movement and that this is one of their goals. which is insane when TERFs in real life only care about making life miserable for transfem people first and foremost.

5.link

[Image ID: A screenshot of a reblog by genderfluidlucifer. The original poster is yu-gay-fudo. It reads, “Just in case you happen to be unaware, some of the “radfem lite” they post to warm you up to their rhetoric, just off the top of my head:

- Ace/aro exclusionism

- Bi exclusionism or claims that bi people are “less queer” bc of “straight passive privilege”

- Saying you have to be dysphoric to identify as transInvalidating nonbinary people

- Calling queer a slur regardless of context, saying people can’t identify as queer, and saying that it can’t be reclaimed

- “Mogai hell”, “kweer”, or otherwise mocking less common labels and claiming they are “just cishets who want to feel special”

- Excluding sex workers from feminist discussions or claiming that sex work is inherently evil

- Basically anyone who thinks they can determine what other people identify as”. The tags read, "queerphobia tw. twerfs tw. no id." and has 70,727 notes. It was reblogged on March 22nd, 2021 /END ID]

another example of conflating radfems to things that, while wrong, have little to nothing to do with them because being a radfem, again, is something very specific that has all to do with transfem oppression.

Emotional manipulation

Lucifer has done nothing but block, break boundaries, spread lies and vague about people, some of which were even mutuals with them knowing they would see the posts. when confronted about it Lucifer's only answer was "just say you hate me and block me" but they actually ended up blocking everyone first, making it impossible for anyone to set some boundaries with them or even just to calmly confront them about anything.

[proof: Io(popncourse) and Lucifer had a disagreement in a shared discord server, which prompted Lucifer to vague Io in a vent post. Io confronted them, as being vagued is one of buns triggers, to which Lucifer initially agreed to delete the vent post, but then proceeded to victimize themself and immediatly blocked Io. later on, Jude(malewifedeckard) was confronted by Lucifer, then after Jude told them “I’m worried that you’ll vague me just like you did with Io” they proceeded to block Jude and vagued about him too. when Io made a post (which was not a callout, it was just bun setting buns boundaries) explaining what Lucifer did, Lucifer immediatly jumped to victimize themself, acting like they were being called out and straight-up lying, even going so far as to say that no one tried to hear them out, which is a blatant lie if you consider the aforementioned Io and Jude’s attempts at doing so, with Lucifer immediatly blocking and cutting ties with the both of them. ] 

(screenshots taken by @popncourse and @malewifedeckard)

as seen in the proof above Lucifer’s behaviour is not ok because they don’t accept any kind of confrontation and immediatly jump to blocking, and after blocking, they'd immediatly go and vague about the people who confronted them pacificly, spreading more lies and painting themself as the victim and even arriving to say “no one hears me out at all” which is simply not something you can say when you block people who are trying to hear you out in the first place.

this is by no means an invitation to go and harass them, send them hate or anything like that. i absolutely don’t want anything even remotely hateful or negative to be sent their way after this post. 

this post was only made because:

1. as an ace person who fully supports the inclusion of aspec identities in the lgbt+ community i don’t want to support an enviroment that costantly downplays transmisogynistic oppression in order to be taken seriously. there are hundreds of ways to make aspec activism without acting like we(as in TME aspecs)are the victims of a system that seeks for the annihilation of transfemenine people in real life everyday. i especially don’t want to support TME individuals who act transfem-friendly but then block any transfem who tries to speak on transmisogyny without a second thought.

2. Lucifer’s behaviour has hurt two friends of mine and i don’t want to associate with someone who actively breaks people’s boundaries without taking accountability when messing up.

3. i cannot associate with someone who spreads lies about me accusing me of sympathizing with exclusionists all while having me blocked so that i can’t see it nor defend me. they complain about people not hearing them out but they’re the very first person who does not try to hear people out, and instead jumps to spread baseless rumors. this is not someone i can nor want to associate with. 

(image descriptions provided by @malewifedeckard)

[evilneo]

MY SWEET DETESTED FREAK YOU CONTACTED ME FIRST WDYM "PISS OFF". UR IN MY PROVERBIAL HOUSE </3

[aspecpplarebeautiful]

I've seen some people claiming that the SAM model is only for aspecs and idk but that feels jiffy to me. Like the SAM model is meant to be inclusive not exclusive.

Oh yeah it’s definitely for anybody who finds it useful. In fact the concept of separating romantic and sexual orientation predates the modern a-spec community by a fair bit. So it’s really not right to claim it’s just an ace/aro thing.

If anyone’s interested the LGBTA Wiki has a section on it here.

I hope you don’t mind me posting this publicly, but if you do let me know and I’ll take it down.

All the best!

[werehamburglar]

Genderfluidlucifer is not the one doing all this. You’re white and attacking a Black trans person this much reflects so many ugly things about you

it's always nice when i get asks like this within SECONDS of each other, you shitass motherfucker

[pwurrz]

honestly the only good thing to come out of the lucifer situation was my friendship with neo <3

[veemopusvulgaris]

i see that l*ci is back on his bullshit again… god why won’t you just fuck off forever???

[seraphic-sapphic-safehaven]

I just looked up the term longsword lesbian on here. Yeah it seems to be a specifically exclus label. I'm def adding that term to my list of blacklisted tags.

Yeah it is, but my trans ass is reclaiming it lol

[nebulaniggatry]

Do you still have a link to that callout p'ost you made about radioactivebutch awhile ago? I wanna help educate a mutual on radioactivebutch's biphobic and exclus behavior.

Here

[thetepes]

Is it just me, or are a lot of people previous involved with Lily-crit spaces, (ex: GenderfluidLucifer, Hearts) suddenly coming back out from the woodwork?

There's more attention on Lily now so more attention for them.

[posi-pan]

Also I found out that a mutual of said friend who tried to get me to agree with the "create a new pan flag because Jasper is a creep" discourse got the source from a blog they follow. And the blog in question that got my friend's mutual to spread this information platformed a callout anon that censored the word pan. I'm just...are we really turning the word pan into a slur now? Are pan exclus ok? Btw I'm deliberately omitting names to ensure no one gets sent harassment. I'm just having an mannerism right now over the anon who started this between the friend and I (our friendship is thankfully still ok despite this) over pan exclus now censoring the word pan. Like, what.

their ridiculousness knows no bounds.

[evilneo]

can you like blow up or something

also really mixed messages on this one

are. are you blaming me for when that anon misgendered someone. bc youre obviously on GFLs side and they were the one who said that. what is up with you </3

[aspecpplarebeautiful]

Idk if anyone else has already sent an ask like this. But tbh that is so wild to me that exclus created the SAM. Because like they must've not claimed it for very long. Since I remember by the time I heard of the SAM which was like past June 2017, exclus had a very volatile opinion of the SAM. And claimed it was the reason that aces and aros existed at all which was why it was bad and homophobic, etc. I wonder when the huge shift in opinion happened exactly. I wasn't deep into the aspec exclus discourse enough to see too much of it pre June 2017. Unless maybe exclus invented it as some sort of 5D chess trolling tactic. I've seen plenty of exclus doing that by trying to do self fulfilling prophecy shit via pretending to be ace online to make actual ace inclus look bad.

My memory for how things kind of went at the time (which should be taken with a bit of a grain of salt) was that pre-discourse was that the a-spec community seemed a lot more likely to say split attractions or split orientations, but even more often that kind of terminology didn’t really come up a lot. People just said what their orientation was, and named both their romantic and sexual orientation if it was relevant.

The exclusionists latched on to SAM and used it almost like branding, because if you’re going to smear something, you need to name what you’re smearing. So you got a lot of posts saying things like ‘the SAM is dangerous’ and that it will ‘make gay and bi kids choose the wrong labels.’ It’s also interesting that while exclusionists seemed to hate the SAM and wanted to discredit it, they also imposed it pretty heavily on aces and aros, and assumed all aces and aros were using it. One of their big arguments was that your real orientation was the non-ace/aro orientation you had, it was strongly assumed all aces and aros were using it and had another “real” orientation that was the one they should be identifying with. (Aroaces didn’t seem to exist in this scenario.)

I mean it’s worth pointing out too a lot of exclusionist arguments did not hold up very well to being heavily interrogated, it was based on appealing to emotion and assumed popular bias. But I always just found that contradiction so odd.

And yeeaah, I definitely remember the fake accounts. You could usually spot them pretty easily but it didn’t stop people from passing them around anyways. :/

[ambitiousanarchist]

LOEWSVILLAGE IS A TERF 🤢

Holy fuck just go to hell already

[pwurrz]

lucifer has straight up called lo the n word with a hard r and called them a monkey several times so i feel like with them being as disgustingly and rancidly antiblack as possible we should stop with the silly names like sussy baka or luci and just stick to calling them their name because honestly it’s truly the most fitting thing to call them /nm

[tobeyisprochoice]

My other big issue with anti choicers is they all feel so transphobic. With how they refuse to accept that not all parents are a man and a woman. I always hated the cishetnormative nature of the anti choice community.

Yeah, it’s definitely prevelant. Like how they insist on forcibly labeling any and everyone who has ever experienced pregnancy a “mother.” And talking about how “the father” should have a say, but refusing to recognizing they could be the one who is pregnant.

And especially with tradfems, who tend to peddle the whole “a woman’s place is in the kitchen unless she’s currently giving birth” thing.