#gender discssion

[nonbinarymlm]

You know, the patriarchy exists, so I'm not going to be down on trans folk who have discomfort around cis men. But I'm sometimes uncomfortable with blanket assertions I see from other trans men sometimes that trans men have *nothing* in common with cis men and our experiences, attraction, everything is *entirely* different. Maybe that's your experience, but it's not mine, and many trans men share experiences with cis men. And if you're asserting that an experience related to oppression or gendered alienation can't happen to cis men, then you might be wrong.

I have found a lot of unexpected common ground with other marginalized men. Queer cis men, intersex cis men, and cis men of color can all have complicated relationships with oppression and gender. I've talked to queer men, cis and trans, who've face forms of violence and harassment that would be associated with misogyny. I somewhat often see posts asserting that the attraction trans men have to women is nothing like the attraction cis men do, but I find overlap with other bi and aspec men in general, including bi and aspec cis men. In discussions around trans/cis relationships I sometime feel the implicit assumptions that the trans member of a trans/cis relationship must be the more oppressed party, but I have't found that true in my relationship as a white transmasc dating a mixed race cis man.

Experiences can be diverse within a community and you don't have to find overlap with cis men's experiences yourself. I'm not trying to dictate experiences. Just... especially if you're also a white, perisex trans man... maybe be careful about being so eager to validate your experience of oppression as a trans men that you forget about intersectionality. Transness is not the only way men can be oppressed and oppressed cis men exist and may have experiences that you wouldn't expect. Cis men have privilege for being cis men, but that doesn't mean they never have experiences of oppression or complexity around gender or attraction.

[jjinomu]

Then since I outed myself, I do understand how y'all see this as a body issue and I see it as a technical issue. I've never once used the term "body" before this ask and tbh, since none of these models have been R18 in their bare nakedness, their body could be anything! Any genitalia! Never once did I say gender = genitalia or body! All I was saying was that their gender was being changed through the program! Which could totally include trans headcanons! Stepping away from this discssion now tho

it’s like u came in and then booped out again