#gadreel: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[i-reblog-castiel]

and if I said Willard by Will Wood is a very castiel song

[jacenotjason]

THROWS THEM AT YOU

THIS IS SO FUCKING CUTE THIS IS SO FUCKINGCUTEIMGONNA LOSE MY MIND. IM GONNA CRY IMGONNA CRY THEYRE SO CUTE

you dont understand im LOSING MY MIND.

[anassemblageofpassions]

No bc like I just rewatched the scene where gadreel is faking at being sam and it’s INSANE to see the little details where you can see gadreel poking through, it’s so so subtle but his reactions to hearing what Dean knows and trying to figure out what to do and how he mimics sam well but it’s just so slightly off. Like wow I love good acting so much

[brothersfuck]

Sam uhh... Sam x.... Sam x Gadreel.....Gadreel who's so bent on trying to explain himself to Sam,, "I swear I didn't know...I swear! I loved humanity! That's why I let them out!" And Sam is looking at him disgusted but also understanding because well, he did the same thing didn't he?? He let Lucifer out, but he didn't know, and he swears. They both do. They're perfect for each other...

[princessplaidheart]

We've hit season 9 on my Supernatural rewatch, and I've realized a problem I'm gonna have: making sure I don't call Gadreel by his actual name when I'm discussing the show with my husband.

Eep.

[keidaught]

Okay so. There was this scene in 9x9 that's pretty unimportant all things considered - it's not even one of the more major scenes gadreel has in that episode - and still, I think it's my favorite.

See, I only just finished watching the episode a second ago and I haven't really thought about the implications of 'there is no more sam' yet - but that is the scene that I started to suspect something was up. See, jared does a lot of things in that scene that are still very much 'Sam' to me, but there are so many NUANCES. The way he tilts his head, the hands in the pocket of his jacket, the way he handles the laptop, the INTONATION that's exactly like gadreel's (shoutout to this post for pointing that out), just like. Amazing. I'm obsessed (and maybe a little delusional, but eh.)

[silverskyy]

[ID: headshots of Gadreel and Ruby. /end ID]

FAVORITE SPN CHARACTER: TOURNAMENT 3, ROUND 2, MATCH 2

Polls for this round can be found here.

[scoobydoodean]

seriously why is gadreel so likeable. like somehow gadreel's actor nailed the likeable vibe castiel has and that's Crazy. (im not saying i think everything he did was justified im just saying hes like. i appreciate him for having a consistent moral code that he tries to live by even if he gets manipulated)

When he first shows up, he behaves like (the romanticized version of) a medieval knight. Like. Listen to his dialogue when he first appears to rescue Dean from an angel beating the shit out of him.

GADREEL/EZEKIEL: Easy there, brother. This young man has prayed for our assistance. Are we creatures of wrath or compassion? I would argue the latter.

He has a very (charmingly) "old fashioned" take on angelic duty. He believes it's their job to help humans. His ultimate sacrifice reinforces that that isn't something he made up to manipulate Dean—he really truly believes what he's saying and he wants to be a good and righteous angel! His attitude is almost like season 4 Cas (who is so convinced that he's on a holy mission) but actually less cynical���more chivalrous.

He's already been injured by the fall, but when he hears Dean's prayer, he makes his way to him for no other reason than Dean prayed for the help of an angel!

He tries to deescalate the situation:

ANGEL: Forgive me, brother. I don't recognize you. GADREEL/EZEKIEL: Happy to make your re-acquaintance. After you disarm. [The angel pretends to be willing to talk but then attacks Gadreel] GADREEL/EZEKIEL: Come, now. Is that any way to treat a brother injured in the fall?

He indicates that (while we know he was in prison so he couldn't actually take action) he rooted for Cas's side.

GADREEL/EZEKIEL: Believe it or not, some of us still do believe in our mission. And that means we believe in Castiel...and you.

And of course—Cas's little mistake freed him from prison, so that's another reason he's not pissed at Cas like the rest of the angels. That said, I don't think Gadreel is being dishonest about being on Cas's side. I just think when the time comes, he's still too scared that Cas will reject him to risk an encounter (and that fear doesn't turn out to be unfounded to be fair).

He also chooses the alias of an angel Cas ends up vouching for with a smile, calling him a "good soldier". While I think Metatron is right to say in 9.09 that Gadreel chose to take Ezekiel's name because he had a good reputation (something Gadreel sorely lacks) I think his choice also suggests Gadreel and Cas have similar values, because they hold the same angel in high regard—and the angels in general liking some angel doesn't necessarily mean Cas thinks that highly of that angel, considering how much Cas has morally clashed with the rest of his brethren.

I've also talked before about Gadreel's vessel choice being very interesting. Almost all the other angels (the only exception I can think of being Samandriel) choose vessels that work corporate jobs. Their attire (among other things) aligns them with the upper class. Gadreel, on the other hand, asks a bartender to be his vessel. I think it's interesting that the two angels Dean seems to trust most immediately end up being Gadreel and Samandriel... and they ARE both angels who share Cas's stance on humanity more generally. At the same time, they're also not human, and just as we see with Cas sometimes, we see with Gadreel in season 9 that fealty to certain ideals leads angels (with the soldier's mindset) to be ruthless when they believe they are required to be to be righteous. And reputation matters a lot to them (see: season 6 Cas hiding what he's doing from absolutely everyone he knows, keeping Crowley as his dirty little secret).

Gadreel's problem is that his sense of chivalry is dampened by the terror he feels at the idea of being found out and thrown back into a cell for eternity. He wants to repair his reputation, and Metatron convinces him that restoring order in heaven will please God and re-legitimize him. Cas's season 4 mistakes were centered around the belief that he was serving God, which is what Metatron sells Gadreel on, and like Cas in season 4 (and again in season 12), Gadreel is also lured by the concept of paradise.

METATRON: You and I ... We could have paradise again, Gadreel.

Even when Metatron demands a test of his loyalty (while dangling the opportunity to become heaven's hero over his head like a tasty carrot) Gadreel refuses before even knowing who Metatron wants him to hurt:

METATRON: No, I mean REALLY sure. We have enemies who pose an imminent threat to our effort. They must be neutralized. GADREEL-IN-SAM: Slain? METATRON: In a word. GADREEL-IN-SAM: That... That is not who I am.

Gadreel proceeds to do several things he shouldn't do, but Metatron also lies to him at various points about the true nature of what he's doing because Metatron knows he can only push Gadreel so far before Gadreel morally objects. When Gadreel realizes that Metatron orchestrated the deaths of several angels he brainwashed and that he's going to hurt humanity, he accepts Metatron's true nature—that he isn't God's representative and nothing he's doing is righteous—and defects. After being wounded by MoC Dean, Gadreel tries to stop Cas from wasting grace healing him:

GADREEL: Please. I'll leave you alone, I swear. CASTIEL [reaching out to heal him]: We're not here to hurt you. GADREEL: No. Your Grace. Healing me will only weaken you. [CASTIEL doesn't even hesitant and instantly heals GADREEL]

Then in a last heroic act, Gadreel sacrifices himself to save humanity and the angels.

GADREEL: The only thing that matters in the end is the mission -- protecting those who would not and cannot protect themselves --the humans. None of us is bigger than that. And we will not let our fears, our self-absorption prevent us from seeing it through. Not anymore.

I MEAN?!?!?! It's just... so endearingly saturday-morning-superhero-cartoon style heroic. Knights of the round table heroic. It's endearing!

Even as he's dying to blow a hole in the cell to free Cas, he tells Hannah (who is keeping guard) in a superhero voice,

GADREEL: Run, sister.

[puredaydreaming]

what is it with the winchester bros and being so damn dramatic with their breakups?

dean: hey, i'm taking off, i will leave your ass, you hear me?

sam: that’s what i want you to do. (not really, please stop me)

*they stare at each other for a bit*

dean: goodbye, sam.

sam: :(

and then there's this:

dean: i'll find gadreel. and i will end that son of a bitch. but i'll do it alone.

dean: i can't... i won't... drag anybody through the muck with me. not anymore.

dean: (face screaming 'please stop me')

*they stare at each other*

sam: go. i'm not gonna stop you.

dean: :(

script: "DEAN's face falls in defeat and surrender"

⬆️ lmao bro, just stay then. if you want him to stop you so badly, just don’t go. both of you.

[aliusfrater]

hello, can you please share more thoughts and elaborate on dean viewing sam as an extension of himself? and how does that reflect on the way he treats him?

yes! personally, this is the basis of the dean-sam dynamic — in the same way dean's lack of personhood is intrinsic to and stems from the john-dean(-sam) dynamic — that i think is realised only when dean begins the adoption of the role of patriarch in season two when the whole responsibility of sam's life is passed on from john onto dean in 2.01 through the inheritance of 'save him or kill him'. i think it stems from:

the dichotomy of monstrosity and dean's view of sam's monstrosity as a personal failing. — Sammy as 'the innocent' 'us' to be protected.

dean's self-perpetuated parentification that manifests within his view of himself as sam's ultimate protector his inability to live without sam.

dean as both an authoritative figure regarding 1) the dichotomy of monstrosity and sam's existence within it, and 2) consequence as well as the foundation of sam's personhood and reality as it relates to hunting and their relationship, which is his life.

which exist simultaneously and lead to while also stemming from each other. i think it's also essential to recognise that the sam that is an extension of dean is the idea of sam as Sammy, the role of dean's little brother and a role that sam fundamentally struggles to fit within based on the differences of their experiences within the john-dean-sam dynamic and how that manifests within their individual values.

regarding how it affects the way dean treats sam: i think dean's actions are a symptom of every root causation listed above, as well as the ways in which their roles both within the john-dean-sam and dean-sam dynamic are perpetuated within every structure that surrounds these relationships: the dichotomy of monstrosity, the cycle of abuse, the cycle of grief, of revenge and even an allegorical patriarchal structure. quite foundationally, i think dean begins to assume the position of a patriarch from the moment of john's death but specifically, the passing sam's life onto dean with the job of 'saving sam or (if he cannot), killing him' (re: sam's probable monstrosity), which is an extension of dean's childhood parentification. dean's view of sam as an extension of himself manifests within both the winchester familial role that dean holds as well as dean's self-perpetuation of this role, which also perpetuates the structures that revolve around the dean-sam dynamic and the conditions of sam's own (non)role¹.

the thing is that it's such an expansive idea that spans their entire relationship (past season one, anyway) and fundamentally changes sam's character post-cage (after which dean's presence is entirely unconditional to sam's reality and sam begins to adopt a lot of similar views of structure synonymity with his and dean's relationship that mostly dean had previously held). it's in every resurrection dean attempts or undertakes, it's in every lie and secret dean keeps to himself on sam's behalf (2.22, s3 when dean learns but doesn't tell sam that ruby can't help save dean, 6.12, 7.03, gadreel, 15.16), it's even fundamental to the way most basic way in which dean hunts—protect the innocent, protect Sammy, even at the expense of the will of the victim (a la ghoul!adam 4.19 or even claire 12.16). it's even in dean's tendency towards physical domestic violence that tends to turn up in a lot of instances during which sam behaves beyond the dynamic of his and dean's relationship; this idea does extend beyond the physical though. for example:

despite reoccurring explicit examples sam's monstrosity in season two, dean is able to stretch an aspect of the dichotomy of monstrosity to fit sam within the 'us' of 'us vs them/hunter vs monster/innocent vs intruder'. he remains Sammy, dean's little brother that dean continually 'defies' john's dying wish in favour of and this invariable aspect of sam's identity is compartmentalised as being separate from Sammy. this is even repeated in season three, and sam's straying from his non-role, from the script of Sammy And Dean, is considered indicative of a monstrosity dean is reluctant to admit. in season four, sam's straying from his non-role with indications of monstrosity is met with dean's reluctance to stretch the dichotomy of monstrosity to fit him within the role of the innocent; sam, the monstrous, begins encroaching upon Sammy, the little brother to be protected. this is the monster killing show, sam's monstrosity is worthy of death should dean decide so, hence, 4.21.

5.16, in which sam's desire for an existence beyond the synonymity of the dynamics of their family with hunting, sam's desire for normalcy, his difference in familial values and, by proxy, his attempt at existing outside of his non-role as an extension of dean (in which sam is dean's Sammy) is perceived as sam's abandonment of dean by dean and is then conflated with sam's relationship with ruby and sam's season four attempt at independence from his and dean's relationship which is then encapsulated within dean's disposing of the amulet, a symbol of their childhood relationship dynamic, an action that is representative of dean's authoritative position and dean's ability to redefine the boundaries of sam's role and dean's ability redefine sam's inclusion within the family. the same is true for the real voicemail dean intends to leave for sam in 4.22.

most recently (as in based on when i got this ask), i made explicit reference to sam as an extension of dean in commentary about sam and dean's gadreel arc in the first half of season nine and fundamentally the issue there stems all the way from and throughout season eight in which dean is grappling for control for the entirety of their relationship especially when it comes to the prospect of sam existing outside of it. there's the purgatory conflict and then there are the trials in which dean already decides for them both as well as their relationship the way in which the trials are to go in 8.14 without sam's input. he backtracks to the ideal of sam existing outside of his and dean's relationship into an idea in which sam does but on his terms and this perpetuates throughout sam's undergoing on the trails. dean struggles to grasp for control over sam's worsening health and makes it for up through basically helicoptering his decisions and every day life and there's a major aspect in which that childhood dynamic comes out and he attempts to infantilise sam to enact his care for him. he tries to take care of him, he pilots and hovers, he demands to read things for sam, he demands to decide things for sam/on sam's behalf, and he tries to cancel out a lot of different agencies that sam tries to enact while his health worsens (case in point: the case they work with charlie). there's even a point where sam brings up the hovering and infantilising gaslighting, and asks him to stop and dean lasts about three episodes (8.15 -> 8.18). this continues into gadreel's possession of sam during which he quite literally acknowledges sam's autonomy and backtracks into tricking sam into the possession because dean cannot live without sam. this is sam as an extension of dean.

also like. narratively Third characters very often view sam as an extension of dean as well: gordon, bobby, castiel, lisa, benny, gadreel, chuck, jack, etc. my favourite examples: gordon's usage of the name sammy and gordon as fodder for acknowledging sam's monstrosity as it disrupts the winchester hunting dichotomy of monstrosity, sam and ruby's relationship as a whole, the soul fisting scene in which cas takes consent about sam's body from dean, bobby treating sam's psychosis as something that's affecting dean's emotional state rather than an experience sam is having, and instances of sam speaking to chuck while chuck responds to dean, even speaking about sam in the third person in sam's presence.

fundamentally, i view supernatural as a show to be an ultimate, extended exploration of this original john-dean-sam dynamic, reflected and refracted throughout the plot and i think of this idea of sam being viewed as an extension of dean (and tbh. john because john handed sam over to dean) by dean, the narrative, sam himself, and from the audience, as being Intrinsic to the way the story works. so much of sam's conflict revolves around his loss of autonomy because sam's non-role in their original familial dynamic involves that fundamental loss of autonomy—mary, azazel, john, and dean have all held authority regarding sam's autonomy and it reflects itself in everything else.

there's another aspect to this—dean as patriarch, sam as an extension of dean, and dean's parentification—that cannot exist without dean's emulation of john + the ideal of dean's genre and genre emulating (or attempted emulation) heroism that reflects into the way dean treats sam or even the way the narrative itself represents dean's ideal of sam and dean's perspective of their relationship. anyway, the point is that sam gets to a point where he starts believing it too (case in point: his 13.20 monologue).

¹a role that is so defined by sam's inability to fit within it, a role defined by the fact that sam's character exists to examine the structure(s) it exist(s) within, that it stops being a role and becomes a non-role.

[jacenotjason]

OH THESE ARE SO GOOD TOURE AO RIGHT I LOVE YOU?!?! /P

GaDREEL IS THE ORIGINAL BEEFER I always hc him as the literal snake of eden like he MADE sin

I'm crying Morthy trust issues is REAL.

Some Gadreel and Morty headcanons

@jacenotjason come get your food

• I imagine Gadreel's personality as something similar to Bill cipher with a touch of Crowley from good omens and Regina from mean girls. In the same way, I imagine Morty as a mix of Stanford Pines and Asgore from undertale.

• Gadreel has a lot of snake-like features, he draws his s when he talks, eats mice, among other shit. He also sheds his skin and likes to leave it lying around to mess with people.

• Morty is very patient, he prefers to think before doing anything and enjoys any activity that requires a lot of time and attention, he finds it relaxing.

• Gadreel is a real prankster (in his own way) and finds the psychological torture of others very entertaining, but God help you if you manage to really piss him off.

• I did some research on the real-life Gadreel to see if I could come up with more headcanons and apparently the book of Enoch says that Gadreel was the one who taught humanity to argue and kill each other. And I can totally see Gadreel being the original beefer.

• Morty suffers from insomnia and anxiety because of Gadreel, he also has huge trust issues because of all the times Gadreel tricked him, it is very difficult for him to call anyone a true friend.

• Gadreel and Morty have a long history together, with Gadreel considering Morty one of the most entertaining humans he has met in centuries.

• Morty is very good with kids! While Gregor is more strict with his teachings, Morty would try to be closer and more empathetic with the children. I imagine Skid and Pump would keep visiting him because they liked him.

• Morty is Abba's #1 fan

[lol-jackles]

Hello! I read a great deal of your posts and found all of them interesting. The ones analysing spn, Walker, The Boys, etc. Some about Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki caught my attention, as you talked about being a character actor or a personality actor (did I get it right?)

Could you please expand a little more about these kind of actors and their features?

Thank You so much!

A character actor turns himself into the character. 

A personality actor turns the character into himself. 

Think of the difference between Daniel Day Lewis and Tom Cruise.   Daniel Day Lewis has created a diverse range of distinct characters.  Tom Cruise is Tom Cruise in most of his movie roles.

I've said Jared is a character actor trapped in a leading man role because traditionally "character actor" and "supporting actor" were seen as interchangeable.  A leading man is supported by a cast of colorful characters often performed by character actors who have skills to play almost any role due to their ability to transform into variety of characters.  It's the character in each film or tv show that predominates, not the actor or the actor's own personality. That's why audiences often recognize character actors without being able to name them.

Personality actors are usually (not always but usually) the leading man because they are playing to a type that has been established as the thing that they can do and only they can do in their way.    While it may or may not be like their private personality, that's what it appears to be to the general audience and why they get labeled as “personality actors" or "typecasted".  None of us expect Dwayne the Rock Johnson to do any character acting, we just pay to watch him to do stuff that's exciting or funny.   At the same time Dwayne has a compelling personal style that audiences love to watch on screen. It’s one of the reasons why people tend to enjoy personality actors because they’re not subtle.  Tom Cruise’s characters’ meltdowns arem,always just as enjoyable as the film itself.  Jensen’s acting is not subtle and that’s okay.

In contrast the character actors are creating a personality for the role rather than slotting their own personality into a role.  It's why Jared was usually tasked with playing not!Sam characters on Supernatural because he can excise his own and Sam's personality out of Meg, Lucifer, Soulless, Ezekiel, Gadreel, and Justin and give them different personalities.  For example, in the beginning of season 6, Jared wasn't just acting as a Soulless Sam, he's acting as Soulless Sam faking being the real Sam for Dean and there were several times when Soulless Sam almost, but not quite convincingly pulled it off for Dean and the audience.  As someone who did theater arts during my misspent youth, I don't even know how I would approach that kind role.

Jensen is a personality actor, he's been successfully playing Dean Winchester since Days of Our Lives and it made him a multimillionaire in his 30s, so I never begrudge him for sticking to the archetype.  Nonetheless this style of acting was meant for lead roles and I believe this was the main reason why his fans are such unmitigated assholes for 20 years because he was stuck in supporting roles (even on Supernatural) until The Countdown, which they celebrated as Jensen's “employment era" at age 46.

You can read more about the acting stuff here and here.

[hexedwinchester]

How come u dont love Sam protecter and older brother Dean🥹

By Sam own words Dean raised him, a-lot of the good qualities that Sam has he got from Dean. Yeah Sam childhood wasn't the best, but he was deeply loved by Dean, i believe this love helped overcome many obstacles in his life.

In fact again by Sam own words, Deans love and protection is the only thing he could always count on.

I am not saying Dean is perfect, but who is ? To say that Sam needed protection from Dean sounds odd, where Dean is literally his home and the only place he feels safe.

hi @rosedark88

Interesting question and perspective you have offered.. this would be fun to analyse 😊

Before I start, let me be honest: I'm not Dean's biggest fan because I find a lot of his actions to be problematic. Please proceed with caution: you may not like the answer but I'll break it down as logically as I can. (Please remember, this is not a hate post)

Yes, I agree Dean has been Sam's protector (but only until early seasons. I'll explain what I mean) and he did raise him but time and again Dean has confessed if not to others, then his own subconscious that he hated having to carry that burden. He has let it slip that he is bitter about having to raise Sam (which I can understand, it wasn't fair) but I've seen him pretends otherwise which is two-faced IMO. (He confesses this in S03E10 Dream A Little Dream of Me when he is facing himself, in case you are looking for a reference.)

He is also a hypocrite with repressed emotions. He says he admires his dad but deep down he too resented him but he still gave Sam shit about him because Sam was just more blunt about his opinion of John unlike Dean. Again, in the same episode he says "my dad was an obsessed bastard. All that crap about keeping Sam safe was his crap." See what I mean?

Continuing on the hypocrisy, his whole agenda of "what's dead should stay dead" is gone for a toss when he makes that deal the first time to save Sam in S2. He gave Sam a lot of shit for trusting Ruby because she's a demon (unfortunate for Sam she had bad intentions) but Dean trusted Benny, Gadreel, Crowley and Cas when all of these guys have broken his trust later. But we don't see Sam bringing that shit up like Dean tends to.

Let's also not forget that Dean berated Sam for getting Charlie killed over the Book of the Damned but apparently no one cares that his manipulation got Kevin killed too? Do you see the double standards here?

Speaking of saving Sam, every single time he has done something apocalyptic to save Sam, it was for selfish reasons. The main reason is because Dean struggles to let go, to move on. He'd rather drag a zombie Sam around than let the man die. Even you have to agree there's some truth in that.

Dean hated that Sam left for college and it wasn't because he was afraid something might get to him. No, it was because he saw that as Sam's betrayal. That Sam picked college over him.

Now, coming to your question about why Sam needs protection from Dean his apparent 'savior'? Yes, Dean is willing to do anything to "save Sam" from every evil thing out there but that's the whole problem. Why even Billie doesn't like the Winchesters because these guys are willing to risk the destruction of the whole world to save each other which isn't right.

let's look at those grave "save Sam" moments and see what's wrong with those pictures:

Sam's first death in S2: Dean bought himself one way ticket to Hell to bring Sam back because he didn't want to keep doing this without Sam (he confesses this in his monologue to Sam's corpse and also in the Croaton episode when he finds out Sam is infected and doesn't leave). Dean is literally nobody without Sam and I'm not saying this. This is who Dean is. Sam is Dean's essence for survival. So Dean saved Sam for himself putting Sam through the same ordeal that John put Dean through. Dean passes on his trauma to Sam like a hand me down.

Sam's detox: Bobby tried to knock sense into him that it's probably the cold turkey thing that's killing Sam. I know Dean was trying to help him but I doubt he knew the right way to do so. Even when he realised his method would kill Sam, he was okay letting him suffer like that until he died (because then at least he dies human). I'm sorry that's not how you deal with someone with addiction problem. Despite everything, Sam is still willing to work with Dean but he can't get over Sam choosing Ruby and calls Sam a monster.

In season 6, the brothers realise something is off about Sam. At the end of the episode 'You Can't Handle the Truth' Sam comes clean that he felt different since he was brought back and he needs help to figure it out and how does Dean help him? By beating him unconscious, tying him to the chair like he is a monster? The way he talks to Sam in that scene: "you better hope he (Cas) can diagnose you. he asks, you answer and then you shut your cakehole". So Sam isn't allowed to talk about his own body? Oh wait I know, he's not, not when Dean said so.

In Season 8, he impersonates Amelia, sending Sam SOS just so he can he rendevous with Benny? Amelia was a shore in his Sam's storm. He loved her and deeply cared for her. To let him think something happened to her was cruel. Especially given how Sam's past relationships ended up his beloveds dying horrifically. Who plays such sick mind games? And to your own brother??!

Season 9, my favourite, the one that completely dissolved the rose tinted glasses that the show created for Dean: Manipulating Sam into saying yes to be possessed by an angel (an angel you know nothing of) knowing Sam's history of possession, that was just sick. Sam wanted to die. He was ready. If Dean wanted to save him, the least he could do was be honest about it. Not manipulate him into saying yes. But he didn't. He resorted to manipulation because he knew Sam would rather die than be possessed. Something that people fail to understand here is 'the idea of possession' is a hard limit for Sam. But Dean has no regard for it because in his head "he did what he had to and he won't even apologize for that". I'm sorry, that's the biggest red flag to me. I don't care if you have raised me, protected me and kept me safe only for you to stab me where I'm the most vulnerable. You are no different than all those evil things out to hurt me. That's why I love Sam for standing his ground and not forgiving Dean for this. He was right to say he didn't want to be brothers. If my siblings betrayed me like that, I'd leave too.

And whenn in Season 9 finale, Dean wanted to go off to kill metatron on his own, Sam wanted to tag along but what's dean's response? Punch him into unconsciousness and leave him on the street like that? All vulnerable for any monster to attack him? Really?! How is this protecting? Ya maybe metatron won't kill him but something else still might!

Oh and in Season 15, Dean pulled a gun on Sam and mind you he under no dark influence. This was all him. I'm not even going to elaborate further on this.

I can list at least 10 occasions where Dean has hit, punched, beat up Sam but Sam hasn't fought back. And that's not even what bothers me the most. It's the fact that Sam doesn't look surprised (meaning Dean beaten him before and I so believe he has and it's a frequent, almost business as usual like) or he looks scared (I'll try to find that gif where Sam is on the ground putting his hands before his face to protect himself against Dean). Dean is abusive when he is angry.

Something you said in the ask that struck me odd. What qualities did Sam learn from Dean? Let's see some of Sam's core good qualities:

Emotional intelligence

Forgiving

Compassionate

Empathetic

Selflessness

Determination

Self awareness

Open mindedness

Authencity

Dean is not known for any of the above qualities, so I disagree he learnt his good qualities from Dean. Dean has an emotional intelligence of a wooden plank. He holds grudges and isn't nearly as forgiving as Sam is. Compassion and empathy are not Dean's qualities either. Dean is selfish. His first thought is how to use someone to his advantage. He did that with Cas, Crowley, even Jack. I've seen Dean give up more often. His "I can't keep doing this", "why is it our job to save everyone", "who says I want to do this?" are all indicators of this. Self-awareness tends to dwell in his blindspot. I've said this before, Dean is black and white, Sam is grey area meaning Sam is more open minded than Dean. My favourite: nothing about Dean is original. His leather jacket? John's. His car? John's. His music? John's. His life motto? Also John's. Whereas Sam has been authentic, true to himself than Dean ever could. Did Sam learn hunting from Dean? Yes. Loyalty? Yes. But neither of these are Sam's core qualities. So I disagree that Sam's good qualities come from Dean. If anything, his good qualities are actually him trying not to be like Dean.

Sam can count on Dean's love and protection because he has been conditioned to since he was 6 months old. First by his father and then by Dean himself either through emotional abuse (he keeps reminding him about how his decisions always end up with someone dying or gaslighting him into guilt tripping on things outside his control) or downright physical beatings. The Winchesters have dysfunctional family and relationships. Again, remember Sam is the forgiving one in this relationship. In fact Sam is forgiving to a fault and that's what this is. It doesn't make Dean's actions right just because Sam has been forgiving them.

To summarise, here why I feel Sam needs protection from Dean:

Dean saves Sam only because he doesn't know how to live without him. That's not normal. He has done crazy shit to "save him" resulting in causing Sam more trauma

He quickly lashes out (often resulting in verbal or physical violence) because of his repressed emotions and poor anger management

He has verbally and physically hurt Sam either by calling him a monster or saying he doesn't trust him or by beating him unconscious on multiple occasions

he is controlling, bossy and threatening. "If didn't know you, I'd want to hunt you." Sorry, if I were Sam, I wouldn't feel very safe

Dean doesn't see the wrong in his action or worse, even when he knows he is wrong, he is too stubborn to apologise for that. Everything is shoved under "I did what I had to" or "I'm not apologizing for saving you".

Dean has manipulated Sam and gaslit him

His whole "this is a dictatorship" comes across as a red flag which takes me to my next point:

He never treated Sam as his equal. Don't see how that counts as love

Dean was mad at Sam in DSOTM because Sam's happy memories (that Sam wasn't in control of and the whole situation was probably rigged. I mean, Zachariah cosied up with Mary's image for god's sake) didn't involve Dean. The idea that Sam can have a life outside Dean has never sat well with him

He has locked Sam in the panic room on at least 3 occasions. Sam hasn't done that even once

Sorry, but Dean is not a poster boy for love and protection. When I look at a character, I not only analyse their actions but also try to understand why they acted the way they did. In Dean's case, the why has always been problematic.

Dean's intentions maybe good but his actions don't always align. His philosophy has always been "if the means justify the end" but I don't stand by it. This is what makes room for immoral, tyrant and corrupt actions and an excuse to hide you wrong doings behind those.

These are my views on why I feel Sam needed to be saved from Dean. You may or may not agree and it's fine either ways 😊

Damn! That was lengthy. But thanks for this interesting ask, it was fun! 😇

[fandom-hoarder]

Unconventional Healing

Summary: When Sam’s post-Gadreel healing is going more slowly than they would like, Castiel has a suggestion the Winchesters aren’t expecting. The consequences are even more unexpected, but it may be just what they need.

Canon divergent from the bridge scene at the end of Road Trip.

Rating: Explicit

Tags: sastiel, wincestiel, wings, grace, kinky uses of grace, sexual healing, jealous dean, caretaking, hurt/comfort, a bit of crack taken seriously, voyeurism, oral sex, anal sex, come eating, rimming, threesome, canon divergence, episode 9x10: Road Trip, episode 9x11: First Born, season/series 9, no MOC, post-gadreel sam, porn with plot, Dean POV, spn secret santa exchange 2024

By ladygizarme (@fandom-hoarder)

Written as part of the @spnfanficpond SPN Secret Santa Exchange 2024

For @ladylilithprime 🎁

If you have an AO3 account, please let me know and I will gift this to you there, also. I usually archive-lock my fics lately, but I’ve left this one open since I didn’t know if you have an AO3.

So sorry for the lateness of this! I got very ill and ended up in the hospital for a week, just before Christmas. And, as they say, when it rains it pours, and bad things kept happening so that I needed to ask for an extra extension, because I really wanted to finish it for you. I really hope this gift finds you well, that your holidays were excellent, and that my interpretation of your prompts serve. <3

[marvelfanfn2187a113]

Random Supernatural season 8 take incoming:

I don’t understand how some people hear Sam saying “I wouldn’t do the same for you” (when referring to how Dean tricked Sam into saying yes to Gadreel) and interpret it to mean “I wouldn’t save you”—

Rather than hearing it as “if you were on death’s door, and you would rather let the natural order continue instead of risking the universe in an attempt to bring you back to life, then I would not force you to live for my sake and remove your bodily autonomy in the process”

Like Sam has had choices surrounding his body taken away for so much of the show (Azazel giving him demon blood, Ruby manipulating him, and then the obvious amount of times he’s been SA’d or even r*ped), so him saying “I wouldn’t force you to be possessed by an Angel to save your life” is actually pretty in character

PS: I totally understand the emotional reaction to that scene—when I first saw it, I was pissed, too. I just don’t get the fans who take it out of context and use it to actually hate Sam

PPS: this is not an anti-Dean post. I love the brothers equally, and I can’t hate Dean for trying to save his brother. They’ve both made mistakes, so don’t see this as a “Sam is perfect, Dean sucks” post, PLEASE.

[rebootgrimm]

idea

the demons of spooky month as the seven deadly sins (adding Alice. She isn’t technically a demon, but dammit they’re close enough). If anyone has a different idea for a character (esp if you own the character!) please lmk!

Wrath: Moloch (reasoning: pure fucking violence)

Greed: Gadreel (reasoning: that one video that from the Black Friday musical. I don’t know who owns this character. Sob)

Pride: Alice (reasoning: once she gets her powers she become a little shit that is so unbelievably full of herself to anyone who crosses her)

Lust: Vennie - owned by @just-a-lil-otter (reasoning: Otter said it was okay)

Gluttony: Hyaku - owned by @jacenotjason (reasoning: feeds off of others negative emotions. That’s it. That is all I’ve got. I’m trying here lol)

Sloth: Corduroy - owned by @bulldog-geckorahhhhh (reasoning: Bobbert said so)

Envy: ???

Tags for reach

@sunny6677 @bulldog-geckorahhhhh @averagetmntfan