#fuck geek social fallacies

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i didnt know what you meant for a split second LOL but word ok I GOTCHA. i did write everybody with cognitive "touchstones" in mind but used it more as one of multiple building blocks in shaping everybody's personalities & tried not to have anybody be a stereotype of their neural makeup. SPOILERS ABOUND BELOW THE CUT HEADS UP!

jake i wrote pretty explicitly as autistic. im not autistic myself but i have multiple close family members who are; ive been around it since i was little to present day & wanted to try my hand at writing an autistic character. i think i had it that his father is also autistic so his parents caught on pretty quickly & got him all the tools he needed growing up to live happily. unfortunately hes also extremely gullible & a firm believer in geek social fallacy

sal is a case of C-PTSD (compounded with the multiple head injuries sustained at the end of sad sack by the time sortie rolls around if thats illuminating at all) which is something he combats by making himself as physically large & intimidating as possible while using that as a social shield if that makes sense. he has this concept of himself as something he needs to mask (often literally) in order to behave as his "true" self, which also is a concept of himself that is "Not Me" that he shucks off anything he may have ever done wrong onto so he never has to take responsibility for anything. i deliberately did not write DID here but he is highly dissociative with poor emotional regulation & deeply low EQ (again: see sortie)

mal is a very nebulous anxiety disorder in an extremely extraverted person. his treatment of it involves trying to "shout" over his anxiety even louder to try & drown it out which goes about as well as youd expect; he actually nearly breaches into a full-on panic attack in book 3 where hes trying to light his cigarette. self medication is also 2 packs a day & his BP is like 220/120 at rest, but he doesnt go to the doctor much or declines blood pressure on the regular cus if he doesnt see it then nothing's wrong. nothing's wrong! he's also got some shit going on with not being able to perceive himself in any positive light unless he's positioning himself to be praised as a hero or directly comparing himself with somebody he considers "lower" than him, which when you put that up against the context of book 3 is like get the fuck away from me dude. more on that later, i got comic-related plans for mal lol

stone is a deep depression mixed in with barely functional alcoholism (starting to not so subtly breach over into alcoholic psychosis) which all roots back into an unmanaged grief thats turned into him looking for you-know-who in the people around him (ie romantic partners, this dudes a mess) he kinda laid his shit bare in 4 so the less said about that the better, his whole situation honestly skeeves me out bigtime

garv ive gone into his nonsense on here plenty but he is an unintelligent sociopath (no childhood woes he just got born that way) with the added issue of being raised on /b/ LOL

[v-as-in-victor]

there is some very funny geek social fallacy stuff happening at the edge of the polycule about who might fuck whom, and I've never been happier to be mostly ace

[wepon]

A few years ago, I saw someone recommending the book “Conflict is not Abuse”, so I picked it up. Recently I saw a post that said she was an apologist for an abuser friend. I decided to finally read the book for context and see if I wanted to throw it away.

Originally the book was so poorly written that it made me a little more sympathetic to the author - she was clearly a dumbass, so maybe she thought that her friendship could change an abuser, or Geek Social Fallacy, or something.

But then literally the very first topic in the very first chapter she tackles is “it’s so scary to Flirt at Work when someone could report me to HR for sexual harassment! Maybe you didn’t flirt with me, but what if your subconscious desire for me led me to flirt with you, so really it’s like you led me on!!!!”

So, actually, she’s a dumbass and she can go fuck herself.

[beesmygod]

I'm familiar with the geek social fallacies, but what's the goon in the well? something from SA I assume

"the goon in the well" is a parable (?) that was originally about people in relationships on a specific subforum refusing to take advice. it has since evolved to apply to anyone who wont take the wisdom of the crowd

OP: Help! HELP! I'm stuck in a well!!! Goons 1-4: Climb! Climb up and take our hands! OP: I'm thinking I should dig… should I dig? Goon 5: NO! I was trapped in a well, and digging is a bad idea! Climb out! Goons 6-8: Were lowering ropes! Take hold of a rope! Goon 9: I've even tied a harness to the end of this one! OP: I can feel the ropes, but I don't want to hold onto them… should I dig? Goon 10: No! If you dig, you'll hit water, and then you'll be proper fucked. I should know, I almost drowned. OP: I dug a little bit just now, and I haven't hit water. I'm gonna keep digging… Goons 11-18: No! Climb! Climb out! OP: Guys, I'm seriously stuck in this well! Help! HELP!!! Goon 19: I was trapped in a well once. It took me two years, but I managed to build a climbing machine that pulled me to safety out of a well bucket and a pocket watch. I'm dropping the blueprints, extra buckets, and an assortment of pocket watches. Goon 20: I've engineered a jet-pack that will rocket you to safety. Stay where you are and we'll lower it down! OP: Thanks for your help, guys. I'm gonna keep digging. I'll find the Mines of Moria and I'll just walk to the surface. Goons 1-20 piss in the well Goon 21: Guys, seriously… stop peeing in the well.

[utilitycaster]

@spiderdreamer-blog I hope you don't mind me spinning off on this because I agree, and I have some unsubstantiated thoughts as to why. For what it's worth, it's common across fandom spaces; it's not specific to any one fandom.

Anyway. I think a lot of young people, especially young queer people, with politically conservative and often right-wing religious (usually but not exclusively Evangelical Christian) parents have, understandably, found a haven in fandom. Unfortunately, they have not yet learned how to actually interrogate their beliefs or look at things from a nuanced perspective, only to do a simple swap of what's Good and what's Bad (eg, used to be that God was Good and The Gays were Bad and now that's flipped, rather than like, a mature and complex approach to religion and sexuality and morality.)

(putting the rest under a cut because this is long as fuck and as stated, ultimately an unsubstantiated rant.)

The reason I think it's particularly pronounced in Evangelical Christians, at least among Americans, is that they can both leave and not leave in a way that say, an ex-ultra-Orthodox Jewish person (of whom I, as a Jewish person who was raised in a much more mainstream and moderate denomination, know quite a few) cannot. If you leave a small minority religion within your area, you are forced to undergo profound culture shock to survive. An ex-Evangelical in America, unless they were truly in an extremist cult to the point that like, women wearing pants is shocking to them, can remain in a kind of in-between state indefinitely.

I think it's gotten worse recently because of both the extreme and rapid polarization and subsequent insularization (that's not a word but you know what I'm getting at) caused by the Republican Party's descent into Christian fascism that's been going on for some time but rapidly accelerated in 2016; and the fact that the pandemic plus tiktok plus internet access in general have made it easier and at times preferable to only engage with likeminded online communities, whereas if you, well, go outside and touch grass, you will meet people who are largely on your side but still at times disagree with you, and this will speed up the process of developing critical thought.

Since we're talking about fandom here, you can also throw in the Geek Social Fallacies as a complicating factor - replace "ostracizer" with "person asking for some actual complexity" or "criticizer".

Also, I don't think everyone engaging in this behavior is from this particular background; I think that you also get newer people, especially young people new to fandom, who see this kind of behavior and don't realize how fucked up it is and just think it's the norm.

Anyway, things this explains:

In general:

What I like to call the people who think the B in LGBT stands for blue hair people: people who have never actually talked to queer people outside of fandom or learned any meaningful history/differences or evolution in terms and subcultures over the past century. People who don't understand how dramatically better the media landscape has become re: queer rep even in the past couple decades. Which leads to such nonsense takes as "it's queerbaiting to have the Wrong Lesbians Kiss", failure to understand non-traditional relationships, or getting weirdly hostile when people do not immediately equate like, a brightly colored shirt with Being Gay, or conversely getting mad when a canonically queer character doesn't "look queer".

An inability to separate ritual/observance from faith or handle the idea of fictional gods or fictional characters who find comfort in religion. This gets particularly bad in fantasy stories where the idea of physical, objectively real gods is not uncommon.

An inability to separate out what was is overly strict or abusive parental behavior vs just like, parents being imperfect human beings.

The belief that experiencing or enjoying something with behavior that can be deemed "problematic" will infect you with The Problems. Relatedly, the belief that mere depiction of something is glorification (ie, Conservatives:saying a trans person just living their life is glorifying Bad Lifestyles and Corrupting The Youth::The kind of person I'm talking about:saying that if you show violence in media it's Bad to have Shown Bad Things)

Overemphasis on "wholesome", uplifting, and unchallenging material. I wish everyone who legitimately thought that saying fix-it-fics are good actually because it's inherently and objectively better to show a character living than dying a very grow a fucking brain.

Being fucking weird about the concept of redemption arcs and seeing redemption either as a binary (redeemed/not redeemed) or alternately as something you must constantly and endlessly self-flagellate over until you die instead of just like, an ongoing process during which you may also live a normal life. (FWIW the reason I think people are SO weird about these is because they still only really understand redemption as Being Saved but since they no longer really believe in that specific process they sort of short circuit.)

Trusting charismatic individuals who reaffirm your beliefs instead of understanding how to do research and verify sources. (terrifyingly, not limited to fandom).

Basically, if someone sounds like they're proposing an even more severe Hayes Code, except it's gay and anticapitalist? Chances are this is precisely what's up.

I think it also might be behind the following behaviors:

I know I've been on this a lot but spamming tons of people with the same claim. Real knocking on my door asking me if I've heard the good news or informing me while I am literally just taking an elevator that Jesus loves me energy. (The fact that the specific person who I think keeps doing this is obsessed with penance is also contributing.)

Freaking out when people don't agree, due to a mindset that does not have room for doubt or dissent.

Anyway I do think a lot of people, as they finally break free and go to college or go to their first job and get therapy and meet people with different perspectives, unlearn these behaviors, but there's still that constant influx of new young people who act like this. And, unfortunately, because this mindset is somewhat tautological (I am good therefore what I like is good->if the thing I liked does not reflect my belief it is not good->beliefs reinforced), without that outside real-world influence you do get people who are just...stuck.

[olderthannetfic]

Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with a person in your fandom who is turning every environment into a toxic cesspool due to her negativity? I'm in a small fandom for a show that's been for 10+ years (like there's maybe 3 dozen of us here on Tumblr), and about two years ago this fan joined and jumped in headfirst. I was welcoming, trying to invite her to get involved, but then she started just ranting. She didn't like that a few years back, a lot of people expressed disappointment/anger at her favorite character, and reblogged 6-year-old posts, tagging people, and calling them out for being "stupid", etc. for their old opinions.

But she is young and new to fandom culture, so I tried to help by messaging her privately and letting her know that's really not the best way to make friends/discuss issues in the show. She seems to have learned this lesson, and is better about calling out fans for opinions, but still yells loudly into the void about the show (and it's "stupid writers" who are "disrespecting" the actress by not having her on or acknowledging her character) at every turn (even though the actress/character has moved to guest-starring occasionally only, but she still continues to stay on to yell about it).

I know the first answer will just be "block her" (most of the fandom has already), but herein lies my problem. Every time she comes up with some new idea on how to get her message out there, she does it. She's created at least 4 new show-adjacent sideblogs, trying to get people to follow her that way (where she reblogs her opinions as well). She's jumped from TV website to TV website (spoilertv, tvline, etc) as she keeps getting blocked for deafening negativity. She turns every person's post into something about her fave character, even if the post is nothing about her, even inundating a blog specific to another character on the show with comments every week.

I hate that I sound like I"m trying to gatekeep her or keep her from sharing her opinions, but her negativity is SO loud and SO prevalent, it's nearly kept others from joining the fandom. I've talked to a few new fans who were hesitant to join in on things because they think the whole fandom is this way, just because of this one girl. Is there any way to help fix this for my tiny fandom?

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Never apologize for removing time-wasting community destroyers. Sure, she's young and dumb or whatever, but she's spoiling things for everyone, and you already reached out about it.

No one is owed attention or friends.

We fear ostracizing because... well... because of the geek social fallacies, really, but sometimes, ostracism is the only option.

You can't stop her nonsense everywhere, but what you can do is make a fandom newsletter. Make it a Fuck Yeah [Fandom Name] tumblr or whatever you like. Reblog or link to everything worthwhile in the fandom. Everything that is not her.

Now, the rest of the fandom has an easy way to find good posts, and n00bs can see what the rest of the fandom looks like.

Just keep blocking her and all her side accounts from interacting with this newsletter.

[argumate]

"I don’t recall acting like rape is acceptable anywhere" -- You're being willfully blind to the fact that a lot of the kind of "geek social fallacies, now with fake social justice backing" attitudes you're advocating for winds up with something even worse than mainstream rape culture. Casting gatekeeping as inherently invalid means empowering people who get off on knocking down gates. If all you have is "omg sweaty I never said rape is okay!", well, the Church never said pedophilia is good. So?

gatekeeping at the society level like “only people who saw the original trilogy in cinemas can call themselves true Star Wars fans” or “any woman who has ever had a boyfriend can’t call herself a lesbian” or “any man who has ever had a gay experience must be gay” is silly, and often constitutes a weak attempt to enforce the speaker’s personal preferences on others by vague appeal to some imagined objective standard, like the kind of idiots who refer to things as being “inherently invalid”.

but gatekeeping at the individual level like “I’m not interested in Adam so I won’t go and see a movie with him” or “you hooked up with Stacey without telling me and I’m not okay with that” or of course “I told you to fuck off but you kept trying to press the issue” is perfectly reasonable, people have their own preferences and their own lives and they’re not obliged to be doormats for other people.

[soulvomit]

I’m close to someone who starts yelling at me defensively, as if I’ve personally attacked him, whenever I critique media. Basically, because I don’t like a lot of kids’ shows, I basically like to kick puppies.  We were close friends for a long time. 20 years! After 20 years, he starts literally screaming at me over opinions he’s never screamed at me about before! (In fact, he never used to yell at me at all. And the yelling itself is a big reason I’m kinda done. I’m really not pleased with this new social more where it’s okay to yell at people and you’re being actively oppressive if you don’t put up with being treated like shit. There’s being inclusive, then there’s applying Geek Social Fallacies to all of society, and they’re not the same thing!) But something changed.

You know the kinds of opinions I have here about kids’ media? Or about media in general? (In fact, I’ve had many of these feelings most of my life.) This is going on more and more in my geeky circles, with some of my longest held friendships. If you’re not interested in choking down whatever mass produced garbage you’re being told to choke down, then you’re actually problematic, and you’re expected to keep choking it down after the age of 12... preferably for the rest of your life.   It’s been especially bad since he’s been working as a teacher, because he’s hugely self-righteous about it and talks in terms of the Public Good and how he’s defending The Children. To him, my disliking anything in the media amounts to taking stuff away from impoverished minority children. My talking about my own life as a child is oppressing impoverished minority children. The irony is that 1) he’s neither generationally impoverished nor a minority, 2) he has never attended a poor school like the ones he teaches at, 3) he complains all the time about how he can’t bond with these kids using the mass produced stuff made by rich white kids who went to CalArts, and judges these kids (some of whom are foster kids, have single parents, family members in prison, some of whom have mental health issues or are neurodivergent but are also poor, etc) and their upbringing when they feel more represented by grittier or more mature work.  I feel like basically, he’s defending his right to push his own agenda on these kids. (And when did anti-corporatism and anti-mass media become problematized and anti-leftist as a viewpoint?)

And you know what I want to say to him, so, so badly? “You know what, buddy? Fuck you. Just fuck you. You’re a self-righteous, stuck up prick.” The worst part is, he’s a big geek/nerd. Before geek/nerd became so mainstreamed, before the MCU ate the entire fucking world, he saw himself and his interests as “one-down” - and now he sees them as a broad platonic ideal for everyone. And it makes me wonder about some geeks/nerds, are you really all about Acceptance For All or do you just want to change who’s in charge?

[fierceawakening]

soulvomit replied to your video “the word is overused but the concept is real and THIS is what i mean...”

But the whole thing is dystopian and "nobody has a right to not be a victim." And I'm seeing it in all of my spaces that have younger people, a significant breakdown in group cohesion over inability to handle boundaries issues (it's like the worst form of Geek Social Fallacies with a flipside of witch hunt mentality) that Gen X and Boomer people have no trouble with. Anyone with boundaries is "mean."

yep. i feel like the people i interact with keep SAYING

“you get to have boundaries”

but as soon as I express what they are in words that don’t fit with a very particular group of neuroscientists who think “compassion” is “rational” (I still don’t fucking know what that means), it’s obvious I’m just a shitty person masquerading as a non-shitty person

and it’s worse when I say “I recommend similar boundaries to other people, because I have reasons to think they’re good ones, which I will gladly enumerate.”

and I’m just left like, “okay Quentin, what does ‘you get to have boundaries’ actually mean when you say it? because I have no fuckin idea”

[wyrmguardsecrets]

so many people in this community - and in general tbh - fall into the geek social fallacies so fucking much it's abysmal

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[elfyourmother]

spiritual abuse is so fucking rampant in the pagan community and I feel like no one ever wants to really acknowledge it bc of geek social fallacy shit but it’s so damaging

10 years on I’m still trying to recover

[the-interpersonal-is-political]

Sometimes people “admit” to being evil because they’re good people with shitty self-esteem.

There’s been posts going round for a while about how if someone says they’re good at manipulating people / lying / persuading people with charm, then they are probably not actually very good at manipulating people - because if they were good at it then they’d keep it secret. Also they are probably horrible people who think manipulating people is cool and edgy. So you shouldn’t be afraid of them manipulating you, but you should stay away from them because they are terrible.

This is really intensely frustrating to me because, well - I’m charming, sometimes. I’m not going to say that I have Amazing Social Skills Level 9000, because also sometimes I embarrass myself and sometimes I rub people the wrong way and sometimes I get in stupid fights for no reason.

But sometimes I walk into a party and within half an hour, half of the people there are gathered around my armchair listening raptly to me answer people’s questions about stuff I keep trying to clarify I know nothing about. Sometimes I gather a group together for a roleplaying club or a workshop or something and they accidentally become my fan club, start calling themselves my cult semi-jokingly, and offer to run errands for me. Sometimes I meet someone and flirt with them, and within a day they’re buying me expensive jewellery, within a week they’re madly in love with me and within a month they’re offering to pay my bills.

This is a whole mixture of different things. Some of them are morally neutral, like being pretty. Some of them are arguably questionable, like being good at knowing how to ask for things or being confident/arrogant. Some of them are prosocial, like being good at structuring problems and making things clear, so that people end up wanting to listen to me because they will learn useful things from it. Some of them are clearly morally positive, like how I enjoy doing nice things for people and making them happy, and if they want to do nice things in return then that’s bonus points I guess but not the point.

But there’s definitely a trend, among some people (cough it’s the same group of people who fall for geek social fallacy cough), toward only seeing the bad parts. People who talk a lot about “status” and “popular cliques” and etc don’t really look at the part of the model where perhaps people like me because I do good things for them; their model is that it’s just this unfair thing that happens because I’m pretty. And there are also people, and writers, and groups, which see this kind of thing as inherently creepy. If people automatically like you, it’s because you’re somehow mind-controlling them with your witchcrafty ~social power~. There’s occasionally a really icky misogynist bent to this stuff - if you’re a girl and people like you, it’s because you’re manipulating them with your ~sly feminine wiles~.

So you end up with people like me, who are really fucking unsure how to feel about the whole business! On the one hand, I’m proud that I do good things for people and that people appreciate them. On the other hand, I have a whole bunch of anxiety about how maybe I have evil social witchcraft powers. People offer me nice things, and half of me goes “yes that sounds wonderful” and the other half goes “oh god, I did it again, didn’t I? I evilly manipulated me into offering me nice things! I’m so sorry for whatever I did that persuaded you to think I deserve nice things!”

I am working on developing a much healthier way of thinking about this. To the extent possible, I am scrubbing my mind and memories and internet feeds of the “status/popularity = social skills = manipulation and deceit = evil witchcraft” type of ideas and posts and memes. They are Banned From Entering My Brain. I am avoiding interacting with people who have other kinds of unhealthy ways of thinking about this stuff, like lashing out at socially confident people on a “what if they’re dangerous manipulators!!!!1111!!11!” basis. I am doing my best to avoid a binary where either social skills have to be Just About Being Nice So If You’re Against Them It’s Because You’re Mean or social skills have to be Deeply Manipulative And Inherently A Barrier To Truthseeking.

But I’m fairly far along, at this point, in the whole “developing a healthier way of thinking about this” thing. I’m certainly much better off than I was a year ago. A year ago I was in a fairly shitty state.

The fairly shitty state I was in looked a bit like:

I noticed that people often liked me, even though I felt like I didn’t deserve it.

People were helping me get out of my shitty abusive situation with my parents, but I was still in the stage of “but what if I wasn’t really abused? my parents said I was just crying for attention, what if they were right? isn’t it normal to hit your kid and threaten them and destroy their possessions?” and so I had a whole bunch of anxiety about whether I was manipulating people into helping me. Plus I was a rare girl in a lot of male-dominated groups, with a bunch of internalised misogyny that manifested in weird ways, like getting it into my head that I could never be well-liked the way that boys are well-liked but perhaps I could use my feminine wiles to seduce everyone.

People trying to compliment me told me that I was pretty and a good writer and that I gave nice hugs, and I internalised that and felt good about myself and decided it would be a trait of mine that I could be proud of, but then I encountered all of the “social status is actually manipulative and it’s very bad to be persuasive because it’s anti-truthseeking” memes and that threw me into a whole bunch of self doubt.

So I went around telling people that I was manipulative and they couldn’t trust me. Because I fucking believed it! Because people did nice things for me, and I didn’t know why and I certainly didn’t deserve it, so surely they must have been doing the nice things for me because I evilly tricked them into it.

I wrote shitty call-outs for myself about how terribly manipulative and deceitful and persuasive I was because I felt like people needed to be warned in advance, like, “just so you know, I’m pretty, and that might bias you into liking me even though you shouldn’t like me, so... be on your guard!”

You can say that I shouldn’t have been vain enough to believe that I’m actually charming enough to magically make people like me, but it’s not like people won’t accuse you of it if you don’t already believe it about yourself. (Someone you dislike is more popular than you? Say that everyone’s biased towards them due to their manipulative social skills! It’s a fucking classic in nerd communities, especially used against women, because we’re used to being low-status and banding together against the popular cliques who think we’re uncool for liking Star Wars.)

I mean, it’s true that I have never actually been very good at manipulating people, and that if I were good at manipulating people then I wouldn’t go around TELLING everyone about that. But that was sort of the point; I was trying to nerf myself, to make sure that I couldn’t accidentally manipulate people by giving them advance warning.

I’m so done with “when people tell you what they are, believe them” type rhetoric. Sometimes people go around warning everyone about their terrible bad traits because they have scrupulosity issues, or anxiety, or terrible self-esteem. If someone tells you they’re a piece of shit, sometimes the correct response is to accept that and avoid that person, but often the better response is - hey, who told you that about yourself? You’re not a piece of shit. You deserve better. I know enough about you to decide for myself whether I like you, and you don’t need to shout about all of your bad traits because you don’t think I ought to like you. How can I help you deal with the issues that are making you feel that way?

[beesmygod]

It's difficult to remember much less respect guidelines for acting gracefully on the internet since the advent of social media revealed that every space will eventually trend towards something resembling FYAD or /b/ and if you go against the bit you WILL get owned and it WILL be forever.

none of the spaces online are like FYAD or /b/ at all. lol. first of all none of the places youre thinking of as being like either of those places are funny. FYAD is/was funny as fuck and /b/ had a few bangers YEAAAAAARS ago lol. /b/ was never consistenly funny tho, it was just a space for people to really push the boundaries of what (was at the time) netiquette. tbh invoking the /b/ boogieman in 2023 feels insanely out of touch with the reality of its influence or its offensiveness over like. any mainstream social media website where you can find a full name nazi with his employer listed in a simple search

i dont think theres a single mainstream website comprised entirely of trolls lol. the closest was kiwifarms but they were so fucking bad at everything that wasnt mass shootings it was confusing to me that people were legitimately afraid of them on a one on one basis. or pretended to be scared for attention i guess. nothing is funnier than people who "fear for their lives" and then keep posting their location and what they're doing

also if you get owned...who cares lol. take the lesson from it idiot. either they dont want you posting there bc you suck or you need to post better. you dont get to be a member of a community on the basis of existing, which is literally what the geek social fallacies talk about. you need to be a likable, insightful, fun person to have around. if youre incapable of laughing at yourself, it is likely that most communities are not going to entertain someone who thinks their ego and dignity is paramount over everything else.

people of earth, consider: if youre upset that everyone around you is too mean to you, have you considered that the problem might be you and not the community

[citizen0ne]

Milo Yannopoulos was fired from Breitbart News Service following accusations of some “misconduct” while on his book tour (where he went to various colleges and spoke to large crowds and et cetera.)

Basically the charge is that he was partying too much in his off time and Breitbart was worried about how his “work hard, play hard” philosophy would reflect on the company.

Well you know what?

In my opinion, I DON’T GIVE A RATS ASS about Milo’s MINOR TRANSGRESSIONS. Milo is a unique guy who spends his time going head-to-head with the worst the left can throw at him. You see, being gay and conservative is very alarming to progressives - since they feel they own the “social justice high ground” and people like Milo terrifies liberals because he proves that the new alt right doesn’t care about your color, your sexual preferences, your religion, or anything else for that matter as long as you agree with their basic political views. So Milo gets shouted down wherever he goes, in their attempt to silence him, he’s screamed at and threatened by masked antifa assholes wombs, molitov cocktails and hickory sticks - these are our self-proclaimed army of tolerant “social justice warriors” who are, in realty, Soros-funded, an epitome of suburbanite, white-priviledged, social losers who cannot think for themselves, or at least lost what self identity they had and became brainwshed little radical left-wing geeks who think bashing people in the head with metal bike locks while they wear masks and remain anonymous in crowds full of similarly like-minded losers with a facemask on makes them hardcore revolutionaries like Che Guevara.

So, if Milo, at the end of each very long day spent - using his uncanny superpower to effortlessly yet BRUTALLY shutting down throngs of feeble 18 year old pimple-faced college sophmore ingenues, chests puffed up and confidently and unquestionably parrotting verbatim the words of their tenured radicalized professors by ripping them to shreds with his endless supply of logic, indisputible facts, beautifully articulating the fallacies in his opponents arguments, and overall just unmercifully tearing any and all of his contenders to virtual shreds with his superhuman wit, charm, and superior grasp of current events - he parties it up by running up the occasional hotel bill. WHO THE FUCK CARES? MILO IS THE MOTHERF***ING MAN!

Why don’t you mainstream media idiots focus on just a few of the REAL problems facing the world like oh I don’t know maybe: THE Harvey WEINSTEIN SECRETS THEY HAVEN’T BROKEN YET, ABOUT HIS PEDOPHILIA HABIT? THE NATIONWIDE HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND ORGAN HARVESTING EPIDEMIC  BY THE CLINTON FOUNDATION, JOHN PODESTA AND JAMES ALEFANTIS AND PIZZAGATE, THE NATIONWIDE OPIOID EPIDEMIC INTENTIONALLY PERPETRATEDPERPETUATED BY THE CIA AND BIG PHARMA, THE AWAN BROTHERS (PAKISTANI ISI AGENTS) OPERATING A CONGRESSIONAL SPY RING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES BY HACKING GOVERNMENT BLACKBERRY PHONES AND PRIVATE EMAIL SERVERS WITH HILLARY CLINTON, DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCH ULTZ, HUMA ABEDINE, CHUCK SCHUMER AND ANTHONY WEINER’S KNOWLEDGE, ILLEGAL U.S. MILITARY BASES IN ANTARCTICA, THE URANIUM ONE SCANDAL, THE CIA-RUN LAS VEGAS MASSACRE, THE UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS AROUND THE WORLD BEING BLOWN UP IN CAR BOMBS, SHOT, STRANGLED AND/OR RUN OVER WITH TRUCKS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE UNCOVERING CLINTON AND BUSH CORRUPTION AROUND EVERY CORNER? (REMEMBER THE PANAMA PAPERS, - OR ARE YOU TOO IGNORANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS?)

[kaesaaurelia]

I think the nuance that anon is missing here is that yeah, sometimes you end a friendship because you see that someone's friends are fucking terrible to you, and they let their friends walk all over you, but in the context of the Geek Social Fallacies that's not usually what's happening. Instead you get situations where:

A and C just don't get along for innocuous reasons (different communication styles are a big one!) and B endlessly tries to mediate between them, causing everyone a lot of stress because A and C just don't get along.

A and C just don't get along, but they are both very close friends of B's, so they try really hard to be friends with each other, and they end up disliking each other more, and it puts a lot of strain on their individual friendships with B, because they all think of these 3 individual relationships as One Big Friendship.

A doesn't get along with C but C can't handle anyone not liking them, so they enlist mutual friend B to try and convince A that A should be friends with C, or alternatively they try to get B to cut A off because if A isn't friends with C, is A really friends with B???

C did something terrible to A, but they're both in social group B, and instead of ostracizing C or at least warning A if they're going to be around, social group B just keeps chugging along and tries to get A to stop being inconveniently traumatized because they're really letting social group B down.

A and C don't know each other at all, but B wants all their friends to be friends so they keep trying to make the A and C friendship happen, and sometimes that's cool and it works out, but sometimes it doesn't. It's awesome when you can introduce two people who weren't friends before but sometimes it just does not work and you don't have to keep bringing people together if they don't gel.

Hold on let me see if I understand it correctly it’s bad thing for a friend to end a friendship because you don’t get along with their friends?

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It's normal to be able to be friends with two people who don't like each other.

[pinkuboa]

hey!! what's your thoughts on kin and all that, if it's okay to ask?

Well um I guess.  That’s kinda out of the blue, but sure, I’ll answer it.  I’m going to do this in a casual manner because it’s kind of a casual thing, and all of this is my personal feelings towards it rather than me claiming my word is definitive or anything like that.  So enjoy:

I find them fascinating, but harmless. Otherkin are generally harmless people having a fun time believing that they have a spiritual connection or are said thing.  I don’t believe in it at all and don’t like it when people say it’s a coping mechanism (I can see positive aspects of it here and there but I feel the unhealthy stuff outweighs the good), but hell if I’m going to stop them.  For some it’s a phase, for some it’s more, for some it’s something they really need to get out of because they’re surrounded by drama.  But for the rest, let them kin in peace.

Unfortunately, as they tend to be very accepting towards everyone in their community, they open themselves up to people who tend to take advantage of others because the group has a harder time kicking people out since they don’t want to be ostracized themselves. (read the Geek Social Fallacies for more info).  Since I’m a jerk who likes to observe the kin culture and watch how drama goes down, here’s some unacceptable Kin behavior unique to otherkin and fictionkin culture to watch out for.  Fortunately, I don’t see these that often.

Beware of kin who act like this kids:

I am LITERALLY this real life person (for example, Markilper).  That’s… highly disrespectful guys.

this character is literally me from a past life and/or all my headcanons about them are true fuck you and your headcanons get them out of my fucking tag

worse, they say this to the creator’s face.  that’s so whiny and entitled I don’t even know where to start.

“worship me as a deity” -kin

Blames bad behavior on their kin type and makes no effort to improve themselves as a person (even if they say sorry afterwords - ya gotta show that you’re changing your ways).  That one is REALLY bad.

Harasses or forces other people to get into a relationship of some sort (friend, significant other, sexting) just because they were in the kind of relationship in canon or in a past life (aka they just ship it).  I’m not talking about “Hey you were X?  I was Y!  Wanna try and be friends?” I’m talking about people who won’t stop spamming you with messages to be with them and then insult and belittle you if you decide you don’t want to be friends with them.

Harasses other people because they’re the same kin type as they are and there CAN’T be two of you.   lol calm down.  At least those who just block other people who have the same kin type are just separating themselves from others gosh.

Harasses other people who have a canonly asshole character despite not being an asshole IRL.

Harasses other people for being -kin with a character outside of the other person’s race.  Look, you either believe in the “I was this character in another life” thing, or the “super spiritual connection” thing.  If it’s the former, then yo are you telling me that only white people reincarnate into white people and only Japanese people reincarnate to Japanese people???  that raises a lot more questions than it solves.  If it’s the later that sounds like you can’t feel emphathy with a character outside of your own race/ethnicity, and that’s just??? And even if you bring up the black/yellow/etc.face argument, unless they’re doing something like speaking in Ebonics or such or actually putting on said black/yellow/etc.face makeup (which is fucking weird), then they just fall into the category of “roleplayer who takes this stuff too seriously” so honestly they’re not hurting anyone there either :v

Decides that since they are kin with a minority, they can totally speak out on those issues the minority group faces despite never being a part of it.  Or they use their kin type to say racial slurs when they are not of that race (so like the opposite of the above).  That’s bad and stupid, for uh, obvious reasons

So yeah, avoid those people.

If someone were to ever become kin with my characters, I’d be touched that my character made that much of an impression on them.  That’s what I like to see as a creator!  I wouldn��t be fond of anyone claiming they were my character in a previous life though - I mean, I created them.  I was there.  I know I made them up, and I’m proud I did since I put a lot of effort into creating them.  I feel that thought processes like that dismiss how creative the creators are, and take away credit from them (OOC is fine with me tho).  And I really wouldn’t be fond of any of the above drama stuff either.  As I said before, you don’t see that kind of drama from most of the kin community so I’m not that worried.

I hope you enjoyed this long wall of text.   Feel free to ask me things like this on @orpheuscollective next time instead - that’s my personal account!