#frisk sprite but with a stretched out body

[weia-yo]

happy year 9 of undertale! this was initially going to be a comic but i quickly scrapped that idea in favor of using dialogue boxes (shoutout to demirramon's undertale text box generator).

bonus doodle: here's frisk's friends and family waving back

[reptillianunderlord]

Sans Isn't Tiny, and I Can Prove It With Undertale's Merchandise (And Some Dodgy Deductions)

In the Undertale/Deltarune Summer Newsletter of 2023, a desperate soul asked about San's cannon height. Specifically, a participant of the Interview with Papyrus wanted to know if Sans is "shorty short or a bean pole".

Naturally, we were treated to the height of Papyrus' cannon:

It seems that we are going to have to try a little harder than that. Lesser minds may interpret this answer as a joke, but all I see is a challenge. Through rigorous analysis and a few small assumptions, we can find the true height of Papyrus' canon Sans.

Good thing that I know what I'm doing!

ASSUMPTION #1: The Sans hoodie, and its corresponding promotional video on the Fangamer website, is canon.

(This is, of course, perfectly reasonable. All this requires us to do is believe that Sans walks around wearing a hoodie that just so happens to have a zipper pull in the shape of his own face.)

To find out how tall Sans is, we first need a reference point. Luckily, thanks to its incredible marketability, Sans' hoodie exists in both our world and the Underground. All we need is the sizing information and Sans' hoodie size, and we can work out the size of everything else from there. While the hoodie size of our skeleton isn't officially confirmed, we can make some deductions from the video.

Specifically, through this screenshot:

The Fangamer website lists ten total sizes. There are—

ASSUMPTION #2: I can count.

—eight different hoodie sizes displayed in this screenshot. This can be determined by counting the pixels of the body length of each jacket shown.

(NOTE: I haven't included Scarf Mouse's hoodie, due to it being far too large and thus crumpled, or Rabbit Girl's pet/fellow monster on a leash, as it felt like too much of a stretch to call that an adult size. Let's just say that Papyrus is also selling pet clothing.)

Sans' own jacket, allowing a pixel either side of the of the end of the colour to account for the outline, comes out to ten pixels tall when counted like the others.

ASSUMPTION #3: All characters in this scene are wearing official merchandise, conforming to the human sizing listed on the website.

Given that there are ten sizes, from XS to 6X, and only eight are accounted for, we can't just slot Sans in yet. However, the hoodie sizes of the characters increase as follows:

Faun- 7p, Frisk- 8p, Sans and Monster Kid- 10p, Snowdrake and Scarf Mouse(?)- 11p, Lesser Dog- 12p, Rabbit Girl and Doggo- 13p, Red Demon- 14, Politics Bear- 20p.

Given the large jump, I'm going to say that the Politics Bear is in the largest size, with the two missing sizes being between them and Red Demon. That has the characters sizes increasing incrementally from Faun's XS, giving Sans a size medium hoodie.

Huzzah! Valid scientific progress!

ASSUMPTION #4: The overworld sprites correlate exactly to real world sizes, and are not at all warped by perspective or stylisation.

Let's just ignore the horrifying body proportion implications of that last assumption. It is time to rejoice, for we have numbers now.

(Also, I am going to ignore Sans' battle sprite. The battle sprites are often inconsistent with overworld sizing— looking at you, Asgore— and, given the fact that all previous working is based on overworld sprites anyway, it felt disingenuous. Scientific validity is obviously the goal here.)

The official sizing chart on the Sans Hoodie Fangamer page lists the body length of a medium hoodie as 26 inches, or 66 centimetres. Dividing this by the ten pixels, and this gives us 6.6cm per pixel. As Sans' overworld sprite is 30 pixels tall, that gives him a total height of 198cm

...That makes Sans 6'4".

So, in answer to the original question, I think Sans may belong to the 'beanpole' end of that spectrum.

(Fun fact: This makes Papyrus over nine feet tall.)

[pinkmistle06]

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Name the Fallen Human.

"Chara"

The true name.

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Darkness. All she could see was darkness. The girl's thoughts were fuzzy and muddled, all a blur in her head. Then, in an instant, the memories came flooding back. She remembered where she was, and what she was doing. Her eyes flew open in an instant. Her beautiful pink and red eyes. Her right eye was a beautiful sunset pink, and her left eye was a bright ruby red. She was generally short, at around five feet and three inches tall. She had lightly tanned skin and slight rosy cheeks, and semi long wavy dirty blonde hair. She wore a sleeveless light pink, almost peach turtleneck sweater, a hot pink fluffy jacket over the sweater, a short skirt that was a lighter pink than her jacket, but not her sweater, that sat on her hips with a white band to separate itself from her sweater, brown boots, and black tights, as well as white, slightly cartoonish gloves on her hands. She was lying on the ground, on top of a bed of golden flowers, likely buttercups. Her entire body ached, but luckily, no bones were broken. She looked around, and saw a child next to her, younger than her, but not by much. They had goldenrod skin, short, messily cut brown hair, narrowed eyes, a rather blank expression, and were a bit shorter than her. They were wearing a light blue sweater with two pink stripes in the middle, brown shorts, black leggings underneath, dark brown shoes, and lastly, a bandaid on their cheek. She slowly stood up, her joints letting out small pops as she did so, stretching a little to help the aches. She crouched down next to the child, prodding them on their shoulder.

"Hey, are you alright?" She asked, sounding genuinely worried. Then, the child moved, and they looked at her. Their narrowed eyes widened a touch, but not by much. They cocked their head in confusion, and sat up. They pointed at the large hole above them, where sunlight was shining through, and then pointed at her, cocking their head again. "Did I fall with you?" She asked. The child nodded. "Ah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did." She replied, reaching her hand forward. The child grabbed her hand, and the girl helped them up, now off of the flower bed. "What's your name?" She asked them. They took a small breath. "Frisk." They replied, their voice soft. Their voice could've been female or male, either way, she couldn't tell the difference. Frisk then pointed at the girl. "My name?" Frisk nodded. "My name is Pink." Pink replied, a smile on her face. Pink looked around, taking in the sights of the cave they were in. She looked at the flower bed to inspect it. "A flower bed of buttercups. Looks like it broke your fall." Pink did not flinch at the sudden voice in her head. She knew who it was, clear as day. Chara. She paid them no mind, but was sure that they knew she was aware of them. Then, Frisk pointed at a hallway in the cavern they were in. "You want to go over there?" Pink asked. Frisk shook their head, and pointed at themselves, then at Pink, then back at the hallway. "You want us both to move on?" Frisk nodded, putting their fists at their hips. "Alright then." Pink answered, smiling a bit.

She and Frisk walked forward, and into the hallway. They walked into another cave, of which had a patch of grass in the middle, along with a flower. The flower looked like a buttercup, with six large petals across the head, and a green stem. But one thing was different about the flower. It had a face. Frisk and Pink both walked a bit closer, when the flower began to speak.

"Howdy! I'm Flowey! Flowey the flower!" His voice was filled to the brim with sickening sweetness, feeling almost forced. "You two are new to the underground, aren't ya? Golly, the both of you must be so confused!" Flowey spoke, a friendly smile on his face. "Someone should really teach you how things work down here! I guess little ol' me will have to do!" Flowey remarked, smiling brightly, though not with his teeth. Pink could see tiny little fangs protruding from his mouth, and his eyes held a faint glimmer of red. "Ready? Here we go!" Then, with a flash of light, a red heart appeared on Frisk's chest. Pink felt a warmth on her own chest, and looked down to see a heart on her own, except it was different from Frisk's. Half of it was red, the other pink. "See those hearts? Those are your SOULS, the very culmination of your beings!" Flowey explained, looking intently at the two. "SOULS start out weak, but can grow stronger with LV!" Frisk cocked their head in confusion, while Pink continued to stare on. "What's LV stand for? Why, LOVE, of course! You both want some LOVE, don't you? Here, I'll share some with you!" Then, white, almost bullet-like seeds appeared around Flowey. "Down here, LOVE is shared through..." Flowey trailed off, thinking for a moment. "...little white...'friendliness pellets'." Pink didn't like the emphasis he put on them. She knew what would happen if she or Frisk touched them, they would be hurt. "I'll share some with you! Go on, catch as many as you can!" And with that, Flowey flung the pellets at Frisk and Pink. Pink quickly dodged, and pulled Frisk away from them. They let out a small yelp as Pink grabbed them and pulled them away. "...hey buddy, you missed them." Flowey said, his eyes narrowing a bit. "Let's try that again, shall we?" He again flung the pellets at the two, this time a bit faster. Pink dodged the bullets, extremely cautious. Frisk dodged as well, a bit unnerved. "Is this a joke? Are you both brain dead? Run. Into. The. BULLET-" Flowey cut himself off, his eyes going wide. "Err, friendliness pellets!" Knew it. Pink thought, smiling a touch. He sent the bullets at them again, and once more, both of them dodged.

Then, his facial expression quickly soured, his eyes turning pitch black, and his fangs coming extremely prominent. "You know what's going on here, don't you?" Flowey instantly abandoned all of his sickening sweetness, his voice now a growl. "You just wanted to see me suffer." He snarled, his voice growing more and more horrifying by the second. Frisk was standing beside Pink, shaking. Pink was standing strong, hostility burning in her eyes. Then, vines and bullets surrounded the two. "DIE." Flowey shrieked out the word, laughing hysterically as the bullets and vines came closer and closer. Frisk was shaking, and Pink was too. Pink knew what would come next, but she couldn't help be afraid for what was happening now. Then, in an instant, the attacks were gone. Flowey looked confused, when a ball of pure fire flew across the cavern, nailing Flowey in the face. He was knocked away with a cry of surprise and pain.

"What a miserable creature, torturing such poor, innocent youths..." A motherly voice rang out, and someone stepped forward. It was a woman, but something was different about her. She was a goat! An anthropomorphic goat woman. She had snow white fur, long floppy ears on the sides of her head that faded to gray on the ends, small horns on the top of her head, deep scarlet eyes with black eye lashes, fangs protruding on her mouth, large feet and paws, and she was wearing a robe, almost a dress of a sort. It was a bright purple with white sleeves, a white symbol on the chest area, and white lining around it. She was quite tall, looming over Frisk and Pink. She had a kind look in her eyes. "Oh dear, neither of you are hurt, are you?" She walked a bit closer. "I am Toriel, the caretaker of the Ruins."

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[animusbell]

UNDERTALE vs. DELTARUNE

A speculative post about what the relation between the two worlds might be.

If you read this post, you accept any spoilers that will happen!

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1. The Difference

At first glance, this game looks almost like a post-pacifist sequel to Undertale, and I’ve seen many people mistake it for such! However, even without Toby’s word saying that a “sequel” to Undertale wouldn’t be interesting, there’s plenty of ingame evidence to suggest that it isn’t--that many of the events of and before UNDERTALE never happened. It’s as though the monsters were never in the Underground at all!

To name a few discrepancies:

Asriel is alive (and... going to college?)

Mettaton still seems to be in ghost form (that makes sense: Alphys isn’t a scientist trying to impress a king, so she hasn’t made a robot...)

Undyne and Alphys don’t even know each other.

Sans doesn’t know Alphys or Toriel beyond their brief stops in his store.

Bratty & Catty appear to be enemies...?

Kris is... not Frisk. Though their names are almost-anagrams.

And some odd parallels:

Those seven flowers Asgore is preserving from his wedding... colored like the six human souls in UNDERTALE, and one “golden” flower.

(What was it that caused Toriel and Asgore to divorce, if not the events before UNDERTALE, I wonder?)

There’s an NPC who looks like that one Gaster follower who doesn’t have an ingame sprite from UNDERTALE:

Gaster’s theme in Undertale is called “mus_st_him” and is mostly hidden in game files. The Gaster-motif theme that plays during “character creation” is called “ANOTHER HIM.”

The weird audio that plays during Gaster’s ENTRY NUMBER 17 is the same audio as what plays when you try to use your Cell Phone in the dark world.

So... it’s weird! It’s almost like some kind of parallel universe. Or, perhaps you’ve discarded an old world and moved on to the next with your stolen soul...?

2. “You accept everything that will happen”: the antithesis of DETERMINATION

Now, I’m sure I’ve missed some hidden details that the datamining & mystery-solving crowds will find soon enough. HOWEVER, here’s what I have done in this game: spared everyone with [ACT]s  and fought everyone.

But this game isn’t like UNDERTALE, exactly! Sparing everyone with ACTs does make them like you, and in fact I got an ending where all the NPCs helped me with the ending. However, even without this, the ending is basically the same with just a few tiny detail changes.

Also, see, “fight”ing doesn’t work like it does in UNDERTALE. As far as I can tell, gaining EXP is impossible. Enemies run off when you beat them up. And, weirdly enough, Ralsei and Susie barely even address the fact that you’re beating everyone up. Ralsei still reprimands Susie for being the one obsessed with FIGHTING, and Susie still agrees to follow your ACT directions at the end. 

In DELTARUNE, everyone has the same arc, regardless of your actions. This is very different from UNDERTALE, where your run can make the difference between Undyne and Alphys getting together, and the Amalgamates reuniting with their families...

Also, unlike Frisk, Kris already HAS a place in this world! They have an established personality, and many actions & relations with people that predate our influence on the game. We aren’t some new person who just moved to town--most folks recognize our avatar as a kid they’ve met before, who covered their arms in ketchup to pretend to be bleeding, who went through their parents having a divorce & their brother leaving for college, who dislikes the way Asgore gives hugs.

So between the discarding of the “vessel” you made, the lack of “determination” addressed at save points, and the general idea that you can’t truly affect the events of this world... hmm. It seems like your influence on this world isn’t quite the same as it was in UNDERTALE.

3. The Dark World

Along with the main world of DELTARUNE seeming like an odd alternate universe that’s a haunted reflection of UNDERTALE, the Dark World seems almost like a second, even more distorted reflection from the former.

The place has an almost-imaginary-seeming quality to it, as though it was spawned from the items in the supply closet (like the checkers board on the ground), but I think we know better than to call the “imaginary”/”it was all a dream” trope.

There are several weird parallels:

“Ralsei” is an anagram of “Asriel,” and they seem to be the same/similar species

Lancer has a similar color scheme & body type to Sans, and his toothy grin looks very similar....

Kris and Susie look different when they enter the Dark World... Kris turns blue and they both get very RPG-adventure type gear out of nowhere! Also, did Susie always have an ax...?

4. “don’t forget”

So! Before DELTARUNE’s release, we had a recent update to the “Suzy” situation. Namely, the Clamgirl in Waterfall (who only appears at certain FUN values, which are implied to be Gaster-related) suddenly gained a few extra pieces of dialogue where she says “The time when you will meet [Suzy]... is fast approaching.” And she turns grey and vanishes like the other Gaster followers.

However, long before that (in the 2016 mass bug-fix patch of Undertale), a really weird detail was added to the Clamgirl phenomenon. Alongside the FUN values getting changed so that the followers appeared without datamining...

When you enter sans’ laboratory-back-room, ONLY if you’ve spoken with Clamgirl and gotten the “Suzy” dialogue, you get this:

As observed in this reddit post, those three smiling faces COULD be Kris, Lancer, and Susie (or perhaps some alternate version of the three, as suggested by the Suzy/Susie spelling discrepancy)...

Now, Lancer and Susie both smile ingame, but Kris doesn’t. HOWEVER! There’s an argument to be made that Kris’ facial expressions work like Frisk’s--we never see them as the player, but Sans himself observes that Frisk spared monsters “with a smile” in a pacifist run, and people are spooked by your expression in a merciless run. And in DELTARUNE, Kris is observed to have an “annoyed” look postgame when Susie is brought up by Monster Kid.

So maybe they did smile, at some point!

Sans is also the only character in UNDERTALE directly referenced to be aware of the timelines changing. Not necessarily remembering them directly, but he can tell when you’ve reset a save to listen to his speech twice (in a pacifist run) and knows how many times you’ve died in a merciless run (NOT perfectly--he says “eight” when it’s “nine” and addresses that he messed up, and he can’t tell how many it’s been past 11 deaths).

So is it much of a stretch to say that maybe, whatever happened to make Sans aware of these timelines might have also made him aware of some universe where he was in Lancer’s place, or perhaps just have strange memories directly from Lancer? Who knows!

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Anyway... none of this is fully confirmed, but it is all very interesting! Hopefully the next chapter will give us some more insight into what the actual connection is between the two worlds.