#frenzied flame ending

[sirgigglehelm]

Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame

[mouserrouser]

All that divides and extinguishes.

[ghostlesbianwizard]

[warriordragonart]

My Tarnished, Soleira! She was a Golden Order fundamentalist who came to be the guardian of an Omen teenager… it doesn’t end well.

(Part two of two of my series of my Fromsoft girls with something terribly wrong with their eyes)

[kundool]

lord of frenzied flame

[librarytones]

Okay full on tin hat lore concept.

Most (all?) empyreans have an eye missing, maybe two. And some of them are marked by what looks to be a death bird claw.

Some people think Melina is the gloam eyed queen, and, while I'm not completely against that, it just doesn't feel like it lines up to me. However, no matter what, we do see Melina in the end of the Frenzied Flame ending with the dusk-colored eye, made to hunt you down.

What if... That dusky eye, the gloam eye, is a separate thing. What if Empyreans are as powerful as they are because they can host an outer gods power there, in the eye.

Marika's soreseals are evidence of her own power in an eye format. Messmer seems to posses one, and it also seals back the abyssal serpent. Malenia's eyes are rotted out, filled instead with the scarlet rot. Mogh's eye is pierced with horn and blood. Shabriri grapes are an entire thing to try and get maidens to start feeling the frenzied flame. We don't even see Miquella's/Trina's eyes, as they seem almost permanently shut in slumber.

What if, in the frenzied flame ending, Melina has gone and retrieved something like Gurranq's beast eye, using it to carry the power and influence of the blackflame to hunt down the Lord of frenzied flame?

Elden ring has a LOT of eye imagery, even beyond the empyreans...

Will think on this more...

[acidhydra101]

made this edit

video from wayneradiotv's og elden ring playthrough ending audio from ep 40 of rtvs podcast where do we begin

[abs0luteanarchy]

I would like to present painting I made for a friend (their Elden ring character as Lord of Frenzied Flame)

[ripplestudios]

May chaos take the world indeed..

Frenzied Flame Tarnished oc of mine. Comment if you want to be burned by her

[soporificlily]

I can't sleep and my mind is plagued by elden ring lore...

so....

(very long)

(i think) Marika ascended to godhood in an attempt to save her people, but she became imprisoned by this divinity and lost her own indivuality and free will under the command of the.. what's it called ugh- the the the space gods or whatever. and so she shattered the elden ring in protest or in an attempt to escape or something?? and where did radagon come from? why is this kind of splitting into two from one happen? Trina splits off from Miquella, as Radagon came from Marika. But why?

Also why was Godfrey and those who became Tarnished stripped of their grace? why would they be banished from their home? did they commit some sort of blasphemy against the Erdtree/Golden Order/Fingers or whatever? why were they called back?

Did Marika manage to extend grace back to the Tarnished with the purpose of using us to free her from her divine prison? Why else would a literal god have us come back to the land we were banished from with the purpose of becoming Elden Lord, which requires us to collect all the runes to put the Elden Ring back together, which in turn necessitates the killing of all of Marika's children. She must have known that they wouldn't just give up the runes willingly. Why is Radagon the one fighting us? Was he created by the Outer Gods that sent the Elden Beast as a counter for Marika's rebellion?

aaaaaaaaah

also, Ranni! Why did she kill Godwyn? I assume she cast off her Empyrean body to free herself from the divine responsibilities that came with it. The predestination of sorts to continue the Order's will. She wanted to be free to do what she felt was right. To give the people of all lands the freedom to live their lives free of the influence from divine beings. As far as I understand. But why did this path require the death of her half-brother? I saw someone's theory being that she had to kill him because he'd be her consort, but... idk I can't remember all the details. I guess maybe he wouldn't go along with her plan. but if she killed her physical body anyway then why would Godwyn being alive matter?

AND WHY DID GODWYN BECOME A FISH?

what is the connection between death and fishness?

I mean, not literally a fish but... he grew a fish tail. or like, a merman tail. and his face got all weird and he has blowholes. like a whale or dolphin. he became some abomination that spread to all corners of the Lands Between. Why tho? he's so big too. like physically.

maybe other fans of the game will think these questions have obvious answers. maybe I could think about it a bit more. maybe it's late and these thoughts are tormenting my mind like a cyclone ravaging the landscape of my thoughts, throwing everything in all directions.

I just love this game so much, and my partner is trying to sleep and I'm just feeling chatty and wanna ramble but she wants eep. she knows nothing of elden ring. maybe I know too much. I know so much yet so little.

How did Marika even have children? was she allowed to leave the weird pocket dimension inside the Erdtree at some point?

maybe she could still feel love.

or was it just a matter of maintaining a lineage or uhh yk how royalty would have kids just to have heirs to the throne. Maybe she was influenced into having kids so that whatever outer will or whatever could maintain and secure it's control over the Lands Between and the Elden Ring.

why is the elden ring even able to be destroyed. I guess would there ever be a need to pluck a rune out of it? change the rules of reality a bit? it seems kind of... risky, to have divinity and control over reality/the world/all of life somewhere in the material world where potentially anyone who was determined and skilled enough could reach it and enact their own will upon it. yk, how we can have different endings based on the allies we make. It's like, okay, here's god and I can just kill all of her children, and then her, and set fire to all that is holy in order to put together this all-powerful artifact that can then change the future of literally everyone and nature itself to whatever I want.

I want everyone to burn down and *incinerate all that divides and distinguishes*, ultimately returning everything and everyone to a singular matter, that being some sort of idk ashes? hot, melty thing? or I can just idk, help this witch take away all magic and divinity from the Lands for like a thousand years? orrrrr continue the Golden Order and just kind of return things to how they were before the Shattering. or whatever the other endings are. Something with Those Who Live in Death. I only did that ending once. oh and how about cursing everyone and their kids to become abominations who live tortured existences for all of eternity? cuz why not I guess.

what even is the frenzied flame and where did it come from? three fingers as opposed to two, wha-

(also, no thoughts of SOTE because haven't played it yet) (no monies)

okay, maybe I should stop now.

I'm shutting up.

Goodnight !

[alberichfanpage]

Saint Bree has become a martyr. She has burned the Erdtree to the ground, and will incinerate all that divides and distinguishes. Chaos has taken the world!

All that is left of us is Torrent's ring.

[crazedbehisname]

Some fanart i did of my seamless coop ER party! we're kind of fitted like a dnd party haha

[foolish-ghoul]

I love making a joke character for an rpg and then slowly beginning to take them seriously as the game progresses

Like from

"Here is the filthy old priest Eaton A. Burger, he's got cataracts the size of tea saucers and only 4 beard hairs left"

To

"Father Burger has seen that the vessel for his zealotry was tainted, and recognizes that his god must burn to make room for a new, uncorrupted higher power"

[me-am-nacho]

Frenzied flame is the best ending for many reasons

[feeeshy]

yeah, I probably deserve a little Destined Death after that

[val-of-the-north]

My friend @katyspersonal made an interesting observation about the flowers that were once found on the path to Midra's Mense. Here's her post on the matter for reference [x].

The flower connection seems way too meaningful to be accidental, especially since the two people in charge of the Mense are not Hornsent at all...

Now, we can't know for sure whether Midra, Nanaya, or both were Shamans or at least related, but the connection IS there, which I doubt was placed randomly.

But yeah, speaking of Hornsent, they were indeed punished for associating with Midra. As my friend pointed out in an earlier post [x], this dialogue wouldn't fit if it was simply due to the Flame of Frenzy business going on there, especially since the ghost that welcomes us is very well aware of the madness.

It's also worth pointing out that the Madding Hand's face resembles that of the other Hornsent who use player models, meaning his fellows are probably other Hornsent too.

Whoever this group of Hornsent was, it's clear they did not care about his lack of horns and simply served Midra, possibly due to him being wise and knowledgeable...

Either that, or there are ways for people without horns to get privileges and benefits even in Hornsent society. Maybe it is still due to his vast array of knowledge, but it wouldn't be too outlandish to think Midra found ways to be productive to the Hornsent and was thus rewarded for his efforts. Until they grew suspicious of him, of course. But his Hornsent attendants seem rather loyal to him despite that.

Which leads me to a different point regarding Marika herself...

The two Hornsent NPCs that we can actually interact with both mention some sort of betrayal from Marika.

To be betrayed means that there was some semblance of trust between them and her that she broke, which would seem odd at first glance, but we must take into consideration what she did to attain godhood. She had to have reached the Gates of Divinity (as shown in the cinematic trailer), which are found in the holiest, most guarded part of Belurat's tower: Enir-Ilim.

And this must have happened BEFORE the Crusade and Messmer, as evidenced by a few things:

1) The Hornsent mention the Erdtree a bunch, which we know was established after a few different conflicts. At the very least, the war against the Giants must have happened before the Crusade, as the Age of the Erdtree began then.

Marika was also already considered a god at the time, she had a consort in Godfrey, and the Crucible was yet to be seen as heretical due to their employment of Crucible Knights. There's also the very likely possibility that Radagon was spawned from that conflict as a curse of the Giants inflicted upon Marika, which would work to explain where the red hair came from.

It might also tell us WHEN Messmer was born in that case, and speaking of...

2) Messmer's condition, or rather, all the things Marika had done for his sake, seem to have happened AFTER the establishment of the Erdtree, as they feature heavy gold and tree motifs. To have control of Grace so great that she could create the rune she most likely gave to Messmer strongly hints at her having already become a god.

The Blessing of Marika also fits the criteria of a thing she had to have made after her ascension to godhood because of its heavy arboreal theme and the fact that two Tree Sentinels (who defend her home village) are holding onto them as well, further hinting at the existence of the Erdtree by this point in time.

Both of these items relate to Messmer and both of their descriptions already identify Marika as a Queen. I wonder if this means Marika returned to her home one last time after she became a god as opposed to when she started her journey toward divinity. Her last acknowledgment of her past before leaving it behind forever.

3) Messmer was also friends with Gaius, who studied with Radahn, and they were both like older brothers to him.

This means the Crusade and Messmer's banishment could not have happened earlier than many years AFTER the Liurnian wars, as evidenced by the presence of the Carian kids. This point is also strengthened by Rellana being close to Messmer and having to prove her loyalty to the Erdtree in ritual combat.

This means that Marika reaching the Gates of Divinity and the Crusade happened at two different points in time, which seems to align with how the Hornsent word things. She betrayed them, then set them ablaze.

What's left to wonder is HOW it happened. I think it was either:

A) She waged a first war against them with the aid of Hoarax Loux (not Godfrey yet, as there was no reason to conduct himself as a lord), his clan, and the Crucible Knights to consolidate her godhood. Maliketh could have also been involved. The Hornsent, then, simply see being supplanted as a betrayal regardless of whether they knew about Marika or not, or...

B) She found a sneakier way to get there through careful planning and climbing the social ladder of Hornsent society, maybe with contact and guidance from the Two Fingers. If the latter is true, I assume she still had Maliketh's support and Hoarax Loux on speed dial for whenever the chance to claim divinity arrived, as she would still need a consort for that and we know he was her first husband.

Both ideas are compelling to me and make sense in their own right. Still, the thought that she could have actually infiltrated their society and made them trust her just to usurp and double-cross them feels very fascinating, especially since the Hornsent specifically mention Marika betraying them. It makes me wonder what Tower society is really like to non-horned people since some Hornsent can even become very loyal to those with an explicit lack of horns.

Marika's betrayal could also explain why the Inquisition would later turn on Midra despite him seemingly having enjoyed some levity or respect in the past. Perhaps they believed he'd pull a similar stunt to Marika's (or maybe they acted that way because he was directly related to her? idk honestly)... though their preventive actions inadvertently caused even more problems by having the resulting despair attract the Three Fingers to what would become the Abyssal Woods.

Of course, it's unclear if the Mense's downfall happened before, after, or concurrently with Marika's path to divinity, but I think it's worth considering as an option at least!