#firstly. her and harley have a cool good relationship

[gothamverse]

did someone say she/her yeehaw joker? no? okay well you still have to look at her

[rabble-dabble]

The Cancer King's Court ~ The Humans

Dave Strider, Rose Lalonde, and Jade Harley/The Crimson Defender, The Lady Clairvoyant, and The Witch Scientist.

This version of Dave Strider came very close to becoming Davesprite in his timeline. Up until his final conversation with Rose. 

Dave can’t stand the thought of leaving Rose to die all alone by herself. He’d grown close to her after spending so long with her in a doomed timeline. He couldn’t bare to lose her. So, he gets an idea.

If he goes God-Tier, he could potentially bring Rose back in time with him. So, Dave puts off time traveling back in exchange for reaching his quest bed. Upon going God-Tier, Dave brings Rose with him back in time to save her life, seeing how he can now just fly over to her planet and pick her up.

The two explain their situation to their doppelgangers, causing them both to pester John to try and stop him from following Terezi’s advice. Like in canon, John reconsiders and manages to avoid dying. God-Tier Dave is now able to steamroll the challenges of LOHAC with ease, guiding everyone and their counterparts to their quest beds so that they can reach God-Tier as well. Ultimately, this seems like the best case scenario…. until everyone discovers the timeline is now doomed.

Simply put, Dave was supposed to become Davesprite and Rose was supposed to be left behind. Because that didn’t happen, Paradox Space judged the session to be void.

This effects Dave more than he lets on, since it was his decision to take Rose with him in the first place. Both Roses are able to sus this out pretty easily, even as he tries to bottle it up, and they motivate John, Jade, and Other Dave to comfort him. The Roses conclude that the Horrorterrors may be able to help them, so they go to them for guidance. 

The Horrorterrors remember a similar situation with one of their “chosen”, so they inform The Invincible Heir of the situation. Equius gets Karkat to bring him and Nepeta in to investigate. After seeing how well they’ve managed to ace their session, the Meowrails decide it would be a good idea to get some of them to join the Court. 

Equius approaches the Roses first, believing them to be “human highbloods of proper breeding and stature” that he can easily approach. While they mistake his mannerisms for humility at first, they quickly put the pieces together and explain, no, humans don’t have a caste system. Nepeta takes Equius aside so he can recuperate and the two come back after a moment. They explain that they may have a means of salvaging their doomed timeline. However, it would require some morally dubious actions.

While the moirails do preface the info with the knowledge that all these atrocities will be undone, the Roses are still pretty horrified. They meet up with humans to discuss this and, at first, it seems like everyone is in favor of rejecting the offer outright. Until Dave speaks up. He and Rose came from a doomed timeline because John was manipulated. They ended up landing right in another one because Dave trying to save his only remaining friend was arbitrarily declared a mistake. Who’s to say that this isn’t happening to thosands of other versions of them across the multiverse?

Rose recognizes he’s only saying this to vent out his guilt and counters that they have no way of knowing if the offer is legitimate. Equius and Nepeta’s explanation sounded almost cultish from their perspective, after all. Dave immediately concedes and almost finds himself confessing how much all of this is weighing on him.

Then John and Jade raise their points. If these guys are willing to kill thousands of people, what will they do to them if they refuse the offer? A doubly valid point, seeing how the Court specifically targets God-Tiers.

Silence reigns over the humans. Equius and Nepeta had been so polite that they hadn’t even considered how pressed up against the wall they were.

So, they change gears into figuring out a plan to beat the Cancer King’s Court.

Dave, Rose, and Jade decide to go undercover. Pretending to agree to the offer so that they could find intel to Other Dave, Other Rose, and John. After all, the Court would probably be interested in having a Time Player, a Space Player, and a Seer on their team. The home team would still have two of those advantages at least, so their not losing much.

Dave, Rose, and Jade meet up with the moirails and say that they agree, on the sole condition that Other Dave, Other Rose, and John are spared. Equius and Nepeta agree and the three and inducted in.

Karkat doesn’t buy this for a second.

From what he remembers, the humans are a lot more intolerant of morally dubious actions. So, he decides to test their loyalty. He sends the three of them to gather up a bunch of God-Tiers for him to absorb, sending Gamzee with them so he can poke and prod at their minds all the while. Gamzee reports back that they’re spies after reading their minds and asks permission to kill them. Karkat shuts that down and chews him out for it. He instead takes the humans aside so he can convince them.

Firstly, he proves his intentions to them by  making a big show of reviving a timeline left destroyed by Lord English in front of the whole Court, instructing them to act like this is a normal thing. He allows the destoyed civilizations within to rebuild and guides them to prosper. Then, he shows them what The Condescension is capable of with her current power, letting them witness how she bends fate to her will. If he has that power, he could not only fix their doomed timelines, but save all doomed timelines everywhere.

He leaves them to think things over and immediately begins indoctrinating the revived timeline into his army. Another pawn towards his end game. They are indebted to their King, after all.

From the humans perspective, however, he made incredibly valid points. He revived an entire timeline, showing that his good intentions are genuine. Plus, the Condescension shows just what kind of horrific evil he’s up against and the kind of power he’ll have by the end of it. That last note leaves Rose hesitant. Power corrupts, after all. Dave and Jade are a lot more trusting, out of desperation and naivety respectively. 

But, all the same, they know their friends probably won’t accept this. Rose elects to be the one to give the intel. They all agree, she’s the only one capable of lying to them. Even if it hurts like hell.

The Humans play the same role in the Court as Tavros does. People are more inclinded to trust them, so they’re good for gathering up God-Tiers. And, if they need to drag those God-Tiers in by force, a Time Player and a Space Player are hard to beat.

The Humans get along well with the trolls, all things considered. It helps that they couldn’t spend much time with them and are going in with a mostly clean slate.

The sole exception is Dave and Terezi. After all, Terezi is the whole reason Dave’s timeline was doomed. Terezi is willing to accept full responsibility, however, and apologizes for what her counterpart did in his timeline.

The two are able to get past that eventually, but Terezi soon starts asking some uncomfortable questions. 

“JOHN’S TRUST 1N YOU S4V3D H1S L1F3. DON’T YOU F33L… D1RTY B3TR4Y1NG H1M L1K3 TH1S?”

“ok but like i’m not though. he’ll understand that. …he has to.”

How much of that is The Hung Jury and how much is Main Terezi, I’ll leave up to you.

Conversations between Rose and Kanaya are awkward here. Their romance was a bit of a boil. Rose barely knows this Kanaya, which throws her through a loop given they’re narried married in this timeline. The whole thing is rather surreal for both of them.

Ironically, the troll Rose spends most of her time with is Gamzee. Gamzee insists on having “smart sister poke around in this thinkpan of mine”. While Rose enjoys psycho analyzing him, that’s not what he’s there for. In truth, he’s planting thoughts into her head psionically. Making her side with the King more. He knows she’s the weak link in the human’s loyalty, so he’s going to keep her on lock.

Conversely, Jade spends most of her time with Tavros. They bond over a shared love of animals and over their timelines getting screwed for actions well outside their control. It helps that Tav is still nursing his crush on her. She’s lucky Gamzee hasn’t noticed.

To the King, the humans are among him most effective enforcers. If only their friends could see them now…

OKAY THE HUMANS BEING SMART IN THE BEGINNING AND THINKING LIKE “But what happens to us if we don’t go along” I LOVE I VERY MUCH LOVE THANKS

also I’m torn at the thought that dave is just thinking he fucked up because he wanted to save everyone even the doomed ones and he believes it’s his fault for making this doomed timeline I'm ;0;

AND THEN THE LYING LIKE I MIGHT CRY

also i’d like to think that john, double rose and double dave definitely knows somethings the Fuck Up (or at least rose and dave, john on the sense that he knows his friends are definitely more antsy around them now) and also that they hang out and converse a lot just being “left alone” in that timeline while their friends go obey king karkat’s orders. i mean they wouldn’t just SIT there, not dave or especially rose, so I bet they’d also kinda go out in the furthest ring in their timeline to try and find some info on cancer king while their friends are away. and then they might become a threat....

JSAHDFKASHDJ IM GOING TOO LONGER HERE’S YA ART!!

i mixed the three into kinda “team uniforms” because i’d imagine as being humans and having a very bad relationship with trolls in general (hello john almost dying called?? they want their timeline back) and when they first joined it kinda inforced on them that they’re a team collecting info for their friends back in the other timeline and looking like BFF gang with their stupid cool hoodies and jeans (lol!)

[nightskywonderer]

Built on Sand Superman/Wonder Woman Accusations (part 2)

Aight....so some are still trying it...

1. It’s toxic/abusive

Obviously this is bullshit but let’s break this down. A toxic relationship is when one partner is emotionally, physically, maybe even psychologically damaging to their partner. When the hell has Clark and Diana ever been “toxic”/abusive toward each other? So basically one of them is a bad character right? That’s essentially what this means. Clark and Diana has always uplifted each other, had each other’s backs. “We are each other’s shelter from the storm.” -Wonder Woman to Superman (Superman/Wonder Woman by Charles Soule & Tony Daniel) Clark and Diana are best friends with a very close bond, built on a solid foundation of love, trust and honesty.

Joker/Harley Quinn is the very definition of a toxic and abusive relationship but is acceptable and romanticized as “Mad Love”.

Being in an abusive relationship is a very serious matter. Assholes using it so freely without true knowledge because they “hate” a ship, is pathetic, childish, and insensitive.

Many many of the Superman/Wonder Woman fans are couples, young, old, married with children, newly engaged, newlyweds, etc... in a very healthy happy relationship which is represented by Superman and Wonder Woman.

2. Shallow/Power Fantasy/Superficial

Superman and Wonder Woman embodies what we strive to be male/female: The best of the best within ourselves. Superman/Wonder Woman is not just about having powers. They both are two humbled people seen as Gods, even if one is a (demi)God, but don’t act like they are Gods.

Superman and Wonder Woman HAS to be with HUMAN love interests, to be accepted. They are heroes only because of those certain human love interest...LOL now who is shallow?

Whats wrong with wanting to be more? Exceed more? Sounds like people who spout this out has such insecurity within themselves. They would rather just settle for less or be basic.

Superman and Wonder Woman are suppose to inspire to strive for more not settle to be less or fit in for insecure human comfort.

Kal and Diana are two beings that felt they couldn’t be completely understood until they met each other.

Together, they can be all of who they are. Diana loves, respects and accepts Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent. Kal gave Diana a sense of normalcy. She didn’t have to Wonder Woman 24/7 nor seen just as a Princess.

“They have matching colors.” Ok and? It’s better than clashing and looking tacky or out of place.

3. patriarchy/racism/sexism/privilege

Patriarchy is males holding primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege. Uhh???? Firstly, repeating, Diana dominates and demands to be equal. Demands the spotlight front and center. Wonder Woman was never depicted as being overshadowed by Superman. Wonder Woman was never shown as a housewife nor a damsel in distress. Superman and Wonder Woman are both the leads. They are EQUAL. They only people who try to down play their equality are some writers who have a problem and are intimidated with balancing the two and are intimidated by Wonder Woman. Which has been admitted.

Being Privileged and Patriotic: Rebirth Superman had 2 issues dedicated to show and glorify how great America is. “Truth, Justice, and the AMERICAN way”. Rebirth Superman is written to be the perfect picture of the perfect all American family that barely struggles and any kind of problem that comes about is fixed easily. He is given stuff on a platter. Newsflash, Superman and Wonder Woman are heroes of the entire WORLD and of all countries. New52 Superman and Wonder Woman was put through “tests”, they were challenged as characters. But that was too much and labeled as too dark and edgy. Real life isn’t sunshine and rainbows.

Kal and Diana have to try to fit in and hide themselves to be accepted by the government and the people who has reservations about the heroes. As seen in new52, even though the “Truth” arc went by the wayside, the premise was how the people and the government would react/turn on Superman and Wonder Woman and the entire Justice League if they knew who they were as civilians.

Superman is an ALIEN who happens to look human. He isn’t a human who happened to get powers.

As a WOC, Kal embracing his Kryptonian heritage as he did in the new52 and didn’t act like it was a burden spoke volumes. Diana celebrated life, was a free spirit, and was so unbothered by petty things. She rejoiced in her Amazonian culture.

4. Superman is seen as a cheater, unfaithful/75-78 years with the same love interest.

First of all it’s a fictional marriage so it’s not that serious. Second, majority of the general public don’t give a damn about comics. Hell they don’t even know the “history” of the character besides the basic surface information. Even more so DC Comics don’t give a damn either because outside of comics they still market Superman/Wonder Woman as a couple.

Clark thought he wasn’t good enough for Diana but he still had feelings for her trying to suppress them. Diana didn’t understand her feelings being young and inexperienced. They mutually decided to be friends, had a very close bond as best friends but still that underlying attraction/sexual tension.

These characters have had relaunches, reboots, changes, there are different interpretations. These characters have existed this long but what happened within those years are a whole other story. New52 Superman was single, pursued Wonder Woman, didn’t wimp out and had a 5 year lasting relationship until he was forcibly killed off. He loved Diana wanted to marry her and Diana wanted superbabies.

“Steven” was NOT a love interest for 30+ years. His character is still struggling for relevance because outside of being a love interest, there is not much interest in his character. That goes for Lois, too. There is a lot of talk but when it comes down to it, these supporting characters/love interest DO NOT get that much support.

There’s no belonging to one person. That doesn’t even happen in reality. Wonder Woman is saddled to belong to the FIRST man she EVER met. LOL no...just no.

5. They don’t sell/ no body likes them

Ok...the correct factual information can be looked up:

New52 Justice League issue 12 sold out, went to 2nd printing, and was named the fastest selling comic ever digitally.

Superman/Wonder Woman 1 debuted with selling over 100k.

The pairing supposedly doesn’t sell yet DC Comics consistently markets them together as a couple with merchandise. There’s a new Superman/Wonder Woman matching couple poncho set recently available at Macy’s.

Wonder Woman’s 75th anniversary earlier this year, the love interest only romantic history actually brought up was with Superman, Superman/Wonder Woman vol. 1 Power Couple was recommended as an essential.

Superman’s 75th anniversary year, Superman/Wonder Woman joint book debuted.

Jim Lee’s “The KISS” statue is very popular.

All in all, DC wants to have their cake and eat it too.

If the traditional love interests/pairings sold there would be more merchandising but for some reason it’s not? Doesn’t make sense when DC is a business that wants money....

If you don’t ship it, fine. But trying to speak for everybody ain’t cool.

This pairing has obviously proven and showed time and time again that despite internet rantings, they are very well liked and very popular.

Over 45.1k followers on Instagram. Over 23k followers on Tumblr. And more on twitter and facebook. Many of the fans/followers are couples, men, women and kids of all ages, ethnicities, orientations.

Everyone has a different preference, no one has to like the same ship, but at least give respect. Pulling BS accusations, labeling people, being bullies is not acceptable. It’s fiction. Too many (grown) people are blowing fuses over juvenile pettiness. I don’t have time for it.

I ship, love and support SuperWonder (Superman & Wonder Woman) point, blank and the period.

[creightonbeatrice1994]

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