#fia would have already issued a penalty

[soliloquy-ingthelifeaway]

just saw the replay of the sprint, max told his team on the radio to check whether oscar had deliberately slowed and gave the position to lando. he asked to get it reported. Max knows it very well that norris couldn't have overtaken piastri on his own

[leclercsbunny]

maybe if you loved me ♡ c. sainz

part six ♡ masterlist

f1chai sainz and ricciardo allegedly got into a scuffle, sky news report. the two have come up on recent news due to their involvement with yn, as both drivers have been closely linked with the spanish socialite. the f1 management is reportedly investigating this matter, and are adamant to deal out swift and just penalties for both drivers involved. neither teams have expressed their side regarding this matter.

username i would pay good money to see them fist fight

username and nobody caught it on their camera ?? LAMEEEE

username see i would have screamed world star‼️

username hmmm arguing who's the daddy

username will forever be astounded of yn, bagging these men in the same breath

username yikes

username penalty for ocon!!

username don't let these men back on track fia (10392)

username so... private school fighting? pointing at eachother and then screaming?! 🤔🤔🤔

username "sainz and ricciardo had to be separated by several staff in a fit of blind rage."

username "the australian driver emerged with an upset expression, a bruising prominent on his jaw and a crimson eyebrow. the spaniard later on followed suit, an expression of annoyance evident, armed with a busted lip and a limp to his gait."

username so a fight FIGHT. they were scrapping to scrap 😳😳

username oh i know they were just swinging wildly

username ten bucks daniel would have laid carlos on his ass

username disagree. have you seen carlos's hands? he's punching to knock some sense into daniel

username yeah but daniel has the force of justice behind his blows

username not if he's the father. screwing your mate's ex girl while they're on the rocks?

username what do you mean on the rocks?? he cheated on her publicly. then they broke up. then partied like his life depended on it? 🙄🤨

f1chai daniel ricciardo adds fuel to the fire by posting a shady instagram story amid the controversy surrounding him today. several news outlet reports that the australian pilot have been fined a sum of 5,000 euros for recklessly behaving and have been reprimanded alongside sainz. to waive the penalty, the pair were urged to make ammends, and publicly acknowledge their wrongs for disrupting the peaceful atmosphere present in f1. his response is as follows; "i won't apologize."

username ATEEEEEEEEE

username stop playing with him 😳😳😳

username yeah that will tell them🤦🏻‍♀️😂

username they keep letting these men buy their way into being a decent human being... they'll cash out everytime !!

username i love when men are shady

username DANIEL WE ARE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU

username what if they used chairs ?? would that be atleast 10k ??

username that's spare change for these men 😭😭😭 who assigned these amount?

username it's a minor misdemeanor, it's already blown out of proportition🤭

username yeah but that's like what?? one tyre and a steering wheel ?? 😭😭😭

username so close !! steering wheels could go up to six figures 😂😂

username i stand corrected

username daniel: ... so can i pay in advance to throw hands? 🤔😂

f1chai both sainz and ricciardo have declined to elaborate regarding their public spat, and have expressed very little about their issue. no direct apologies were addressed to eachother nor was there any indication they regretted they came to blows. new reports claim that the reason of them being tight-lipped had everything to do with the paternity of yn's alleged baby, and although at odds with eachother, both sainz and ricciardo are adamant on maintaining her privacy at this delicate moment.

username enemies 4 life

username awww yn's boys🥲🥲

username the boys you speak of would push eachother on the track if given the opportunity🥰

username yeah boys‼️

username daniel probably talked maaaaad smack

username only reasonable explanation

username not necessarily, i would have been throwing hands regardless. like wym you've been comforting MY girl?!

username they broke up though

username on a break** this has been yn and carlos' dance since forever

username man shut up. yn deserves better than a man who has a very fickle sense of loyalty.

username he has some serious issues

username ALLEGEDLY okay ALLEGEDLY daniel took a swipe at matteo's parentage and said something along the lines of "you're gonna fuck up another kid's childhood just because you can't keep it in your pants?" non verbatim 😳😳

username YOOOOOOO

username that's WILD to even comprehend, imagine hearing it directly.

username ngl i would have been throwing hands with daniel aswell

username nicki type of line

username who's matteo's mom anyways 😭😭

username i know we're all mad at him but look at him 😩

username yn this isn't you‼️

username look away we can do this!!

[ironponynerdapricot]

The FIA doesn't like dominant drivers.* Or maybe they just don't like the two most recent champions ie Max and Lewis for different reasons but also for some of the same if that makes sense.

They both have the biggest fanbase in F1 and let's be real when they'll retire a big part of the fans will leave with them.

That are both also very loud for different reasons: Lewis advocates for diversity and spoke up about the struggle he faced in ways that forced the FIA to face the consequences of their actions and the discrimination they dished out against Lewis and other drivers of color. Of course they absolutely hate this...

As for Max, he speaks up about the FIA's inconsistencies and the British bias which he is not wrong about. Max is being singled out right now because he is the most dominant driver. The thing is, Max is getting fed up with their shit and he might decide to retire instead of having to deal with the FIA's stupidity any longer and the FIA might think they won but on the business side of things they will lost a lot.

And as much as I look forward to see Lewis in Ferrari next year, I already know that if he has the car to be dominant they will turn their focus on Lewis and make him go through shit again... And I'm not sure if the team will follow him as much as they and him might need to... And he is just starting his chapter with Ferrari so....

And let's be real, beside Max and Lewis, can you give me one driver that is as loud as they are? And the FIA knows that: beside Lewis (and Vettel back when he was there) and now Max (even if it's just for inconsistencies and bias), no one will be willing to stand up.. Some will say George, but he doesn't have a choice does he? He is the GDPA representative, that's literally part of his job. But if he wasn't in this position, would he be involved or would he as silent as the others? If it does not involved them, be it penalties or anything else, why would they get involved?

*as far as I remember, there wasn't this much issues and blatant bias with champions before? I mean there was definitely but not as much for like Schumacher, Alonso, or Vettel? Please correct me if I'm wrong I'd like to know...

[dayslynthesix]

welcome to gia’s ted talk.

this is just my opinion and you might argue as much as you want

i don't care about what you have to say on the 2022 season

i don't particularly care about lando norris so dont waste your time on that

as long as people keep talking about 2022 as if it was leclerc’s biggest mistake I'll keep talking about 2022 as ferrari biggest mistake. charles was responsible himself for -33 points on his championship, ferrari cost him +100 points. charles cannot be held responsible for engine failures or strategy mistakes, charles can be held responsible for the mistakes he committed alone. and i dare to say that france is not that big of a mistake as people make it look like. he was coming from multiple engine failures and wrong calls from the strategists and a throttle issue in austria.

france was not where he lost the championship. france was nothing compared to what ferrari did.

and i very much would like to also adress that when charles lost the championship in 2022 people were zero complacent with him.

“oh he doesn't have the mentality to be world champion”

“leclerc commit too many mistakes”

“he doesn't know how to lead a team”

“error prone”

“sainz is the better driver in ferrari and he should lead the team”

and it goes on and on

and now that norris was fully and completely humiliated for races in a row, i don't see the same treatment towards him. and don't get me wrong, i don't think its fair or right for the media and people to say those things, but the double standards here are so pathetic.

mclaren have the fastest car overall since miami. that's since may and i don't see them collecting results from that.

yeah, they were not ready to fight for a championship and yes that costed the team a lot, but where were those people in 2022 when ferrari was fucking leclerc's race again and again? where were people defending him from the media slandering?

a driver who won his f2 championship a week after his dad passed away

a driver who won his first race 24h after a close friend passed away in the exact track

a driver who won monza after 10 years after being chased for 53 laps by a much faster mercedes

a driver who won austria with a throttle issue

a driver who won monza in 2024 by having the balls to do a one stop only

a driver who saw an opportunity and went for it in austin

that's the driver they say that doesn't have a championship mentality

but the driver who took 5 years to win a race cause of a safety car

a driver who have the fastest car for MONTHS

a driver who was leading comfortably nearly kissed the wall 3 times in singapore

a driver who cannot keep the p1 in lap 1

a driver who had 3 opportunities to start a race in front and lost the position 3 TIMES

that's the driver they say “championship material”

the media tried to do with norris x verstappen what leclerc x verstappen is. there was never a title fight. norris would never get that tittle on verstappen. amd the fia tried everything in between mexico and brazil to give him a chance to do that.

the 10s penalty in mexico for an action that haven't lead to a collision? to an action that was already penalized in 5s? the yellow flags in brazil just to wait for norris and piastri to switch positions? the double yellow just so norris could finish his lap? that was 1. dangerous and 2. pathetic.

norris and verstappen faced each other this season and 9 out of 10 times or they touched or norris was left crying on the radio. leclerc and verstappen faced each other on a rainy race, without drs and they never left the white lines, they never touched each other.

max verstappen has just one rival, and a lot of people might say that's hamilton cause of 2021, but it is not. max verstappen's only rival is charles leclerc. you might argue the opposite, but no one knows how to race max the way charles does. no one can beat max in his own game like charles can. no one can dance with max the way charles can. in cota charles knew exactly whay max would do, and he won that race on lap one. in interlagos charles knew how max would attack and he defended just like he was inside the cockpit with max.

the title fight in 2024 was never a thing.

the fight is between norris and leclerc for the p2.

and the day ferrari give charles a championship car, he and max will deliver the best tittle fight since merceded 2016 and im willing to die on that.

[race-week]

Hi Al! Dumb question! The new FIA regulations have made me realize I have no idea how weight minimums work!

Motorsport.com lists many drivers' weights as being less than the current minimum of 80kg — I don't know how accurate their sourcing is but even with muscle density, it's a struggle for me to imagine a smaller-in-stature driver like, say, Lando, hitting 80 or 82kg? Help!

Hello,

So essentially a driver, their kit (helmet, race suit, etc) and seat have to weigh a minimum of 80kg (at the moment, due to increase to 82kg)

Now the kit and the seat combined probably weighs around 3-5kg depending on manufacturers etc. So that’s already a portion of the minimum weight accounted for.

Now it’s not like the drivers have to then eat a load of food or massively cut to ‘make weight’ like in boxing for example.

If a driver is under the minimum then the team have to add ballast (extra weight) under the seat to bring it up to that minimum.

Likewise if a driver is over the minimum, there’s no penalty or anything other than the fact that their car will be heavier than their competitors.

Now they introduced this rule in the 2019 season because a lot of taller drivers, or drivers who naturally carried more weight or muscle were disadvantaged because of this extra weight, leading to a lot of them having to diet excessively to unhealthy levels to be competitive against smaller drivers. (This is because the minimum weight of the car included the driver, and teams would want to get as close to that minimum as possible and oftentimes that meant the driver having to shed weight)

So to answer more briefly, if a driver like Tsunoda for example, is way off that 80/82kg minimum, it’s not an issue, they just add extra weight to his seat.

[charles-leclerc-official]

ah im just now reading it was not only mathematically possible for ferrari to have won wcc, but also skill/ pace wise possible had the other driver pushed just a little more (if at all). im wondering if the strategy was to play it safe? i guess you wouldnt want to end it with a dnf (bottas my guy 😔)

Yeah I think it's hard to play this what if game. However I will say after seeing what we did that if Charles hadn't had a penalty and kept his quali lap he would have won that race.

And yeah we had to play it safe up front because Charles was in the back climbing and the chances of him having a faultless dnf were much higher since he was starting at the back where chances of being squeezed etc were just so much higher, we've seen it plenty this season, it's just a risk of starting back there. And either car dnfing would have also ended any hopes of the WCC. It makes sense to play it safer with the car already positioned well.

Pace and skill wise it might have been possible for Charles to win but not others. So I am not losing sleep over that particular issue.

The real loss there was Charles needing to take the penalty this race, and also the FIA maintaining that lap deletion.

How much was it possible to push, again hard to say. I am pretty sure the team gave it their all on both ends, so I think that there is likely something else at play too. Like we have some of the data but not all, they can see how the car is performing in real time and when to push. Pace is just one component.

[vro0m]

the swearing thing is so 💀💀 but I think fia said max did apologized when he went into that meeting with fia when the swearing happened

the thing with max and Charles swearing is that max got told to double down by a reporter but did it again whilst Charles said it but apologized afterwards.

But either way no one can say that's British bias lol

No but the swearing thing.

We talked about it already but my position is that it's stupid to ask them not to swear on radio but it's not completely absurd to ask them to watch their language during interviews. However when the rule was introduced MBS only talked about the radio thing and also they didn't make it clear that they would enforce it, nor in what circumstances and with what penalties as a result. That's what I have an issue with personally, not the fact that they were told to not swear during press cons.

The fact that they're treating the two cases that differently is also weird although not surprising. I would agree they did not have the same attitude about it during their respective incidents but that's very subjective. What are the rules? How are the penalties determined? What makes it worse what makes it better? How do they work towards consistency?

Note that Max was talking about the media when he talked about the bias, not the stewards, but it is true that these inconsistencies are also a reason why people come up with such explanations or say the stewards hate such or such driver.

And there's always been inconsistencies, and people have always complained about the stewarding, but with the rise in conspiratory beliefs and with title fights, it would do everyone good if they showed that they are at least TRYING to make things more consistent.

[thisismeracing]

If they're going to give everyone that is racing a penalty so they have to stay on the positions they started in we might as well call it a parade! I'm all in for penalties when the occasional calls for it especially for causing collisions that HURTS other drivers! But they've been giving them out freely lately and it gets even more frustrating when one gets a penalty and the other gets a pass (not towards any specific driver) for doing the same thing!! The FIA simply just don't don't have anymore credibility and everyone sees that they are reaching so they won't loose respect and control over every situation, only they don't realize that already happened!

they lost control and respect when:

- They banded/changed the rules around to try and give an bad explanation to their mistakes and wrong doings and I'm not only talking about the 2021 fiasco

- When they constantly hunted down (and still is) a driver for wearing a fucking 1 cm nose piercing as if was the same as wearing a watch, or for preceding to do so even after a doctor letter that said he couldn't get it removed for medical reasons. As if they didn't have bigger issues to worry about, as if this was of maximum importance, when we all know it isn't, this is a sport where people can lose their lives for so many factors that won't ever include a less than 1cm piece of metal! Maybe they could use this time to certify if all the teams were all good and inside the rules about things that compromise other safety! Perhaps checking the cost breach of some teams?!? See where that money is going?? I pretty sure you can spend that much on food services?!

The fact that they were surprised when he showed up this year with another piercing on, both sides of his nose made me laugh so hard!!

- When they fell short on punishments for big brakes of rules?? Rules that insure everyone gets a fair chance of have similar cars that are competitive with each other? That do not include someone's cultural references? You know things that actually keeps the sport from turning a shitshow that only cares for money?

- When they disregarded the amount of time off, and limits to their healths, and added sprints for no reason (bc they are boring as fuck) and more races to the calendar, to make perhaps more money? I mean why else would you compromise them by pushing them harder? and this goes for the Mechanics too, since F1 dos not let them have to teams that alternate each other so they can have some rest? Can you imagine how much they work? They get there days before the race weekends, they get there earlier and leave way later than the rest! Are they well paid? Do they agree to it when signing a contract? Yes and that's exactly why rules exist! Otherwise people that need more money become manipulated to extremes for money/opportunities, every one could use a little more of it, even if impacts them badly! Especially now that F1's dilema is "You can always be replaced", "if you won't do it, i'll find someone who will" but not in a search better professionals (lets be real they are already so pre selected), but because that makes them trapped between what they need vs what a human can take. Physically, mentally, emotionally. This is coming from someone who grew up with a professional & high position mechanic dad.

- When they know that SPA is a very dangerous circuit mostly due to the rain. That we all know can't really be changed at anyone's desires. So instead of being responsible and making a hard decision that will likely piss off a lot of people, they waste everyone's time and money by having to cut races short, delay the races for hours, not be able to provide a sense of security and on top of that it just makes everything less entertaining (which is not something they want). All of this on top of the fact of the extreme safety issues. For what? They might as well remove the Belgium Gran Prix from the calendar till further notice, because there is nothing you can do to change the factors. I am pretty sure that more than half of everyone involved wouldn't complain about replacing it for now with a circuit that makes more sense logistically. There's so many unsatisfied with how the last couple SPA races have gone. All that because they refuse to go against the big boys with the money, in a situation that needs and outside intervention from the people that are there to do exactly that!

- When they didn't intervene, regulate or limited teams from disrespecting, disregarding and mistreating their drivers and other crew members. I think putting aside our favorites for a second we can all agree that: The way that Haas departed from Mick was wrong the way Gunther Stainer treated and talked about him even after he left was so disrespectful and uncalled for.

The way McLaren handled Daniel's departure from the team was also disrespectful, unnecessary, mean to a point it almost (to me definitely) humiliating, and it angered everyone, because he's very sweet and no one has EVER complained about him or said he was hard to work with. Zack Brown should of been replaced for being unable to professionally handle something that didn't have to go this way, he should have been held responsible for risking their drivers mental health, for putting all the blame from a bad result on him as if he was the only (or for many wrongly) reason for all their problems which is insane because not even his teammate was doing that much better. That is not what a team's for. You win together, you lose together. Besides everything it was SO disloyal of them, he broke a lot of disbelief that was being held against them, and it's not like he hasn't a good driver bc out of last year's grid he was part of the only few drivers who had actually won a grand prix before. And even IF that was the case, they had held it with decency, it just felt like the whole process was being handled by a child.

I felt really bad for Oscar, because this just made the start of his career badly. This was not his doing. He is a driver looking to get a chance. He's a good driver too. And this shouldn't make him a bad person.

For DeVries it just felt gut recking. This guy is a championship winner, he was waiting his time and opportunity to get a seat. FOR YEARS. Was also a reserve driver (why have him as a reserve if you'd never have him as a driver given the chance?), Last year he had the chance to race for the first in F1, he had to replace a driver that couldn't race that day. You know what he did? He got in that fucking car that honestly wasn't the best and hadn't reach the points the whole year, guess what? Not only got to the finishing line after a beautiful race with brilliant overtakes, he got that damn car into the points!!! Everyone was so impressed, why would keep him as reserve for so long? And he created an opportunity for himself that day. He earned that seat and everyone knows it. Than this guys starts his rookie year, in a new car, again a car that isn't able to compete for the top, is going okay, because no one expects a rookie to get in the top 10 every race of his first season, very few world champs did. All I can say is that they didn't even give him the rest of his first year! They actually didn't give him a chance at all! And again the way it was handle behind his back, from one race to the next was ??? And again no hate to Danny Ric for taking that chance.

Why haven't they been mediating all of this? Are you kidding me? How is all of this allowed? They wouldn't think twice if the drivers were the ones being deceiving. This took a toll on their health and career for no reason other than the fact they could. There's nothing wrong with ending contracts if things aren't working out. But this? And I would like to add that NONE of these drivers were caught saying anything about their situations negatively, they had the right to, the right to defend themselves and to give that disrespect back, but didn't.

I'm pretty sure you guys could add way more to this list. And the fact is that even the teams/people that are benefiting from it are satisfied with they're decisions, and that says a lot. Looking past who we cheer for, every single one of them can list a bunch of decisions that made no sense. This has gone way past favoritism, at this point no one can keep up with the hell they are doing. This sport needs to organize itself, bc this behavior is so self destructive. Every sport need and deserve an independent trustworthy serious organized and professional organization to make sure everything runs fairly, smoothly, safely with basic logic and respect, we know that right now the FIA ain't it.

-🎀

again sorry for the long messages but I think I'm at my limit as someone who has grown up experiencing Formula 1, as someone who is really interested in this sport, and that cares about the rules, just as much I care for the engineering that goes in it, just as much as care watching every single race, knowing that not much exiting and new things are going to happened, or that drivers that I really like don't really have the chance to win!

You were on point with everything in that ask, nonny!

I was getting ready to mention the "catering budget" when you did lol

As someone who experienced something similar with a different sport (hockey), it's frustrating, and, honestly, it just proves what Lewis said about money ruling it all. It's infuriating seeing how they go around blaming pilots for shitty cars or unhealthy workplace conditions (aka danny and mick situation), and it's just as infuriating seeing that some people agree with and think that this is how it should go.

At this point, I would say that they probably need to get the decision board replaced because clearly it's not working as it should, and its obvious that what's in the paper won't always happen in real life, but at least part of it has to, and we're not seeing it happen. I can sympathize with your frustration and agree that F1 has lost a bit of its magic (my dad told me just the same the last two races he saw me watching, he didn't even ask who was leading because it was obvious, and he didn't even mention all the other problematic stuff going around).

[yesterdayiwrote]

Did Carlos said something about Mercedes nixing their penalty appeal? Genuine question bc I’m ootl😅

At the end of the day, if the FIA wanted to find wiggle room, then they'd find it. Like how the 18 hours rule between FP2 and FP3 miraculously got ignored so as not to further fuck up the entire weekend and face a repeat of yesterday. He even says 'I don't understand why the governing body can't apply force majeur rules' and they can, they're self governed, they don't NEED to ask the teams anything. It's their choice to suggest that they'll only do it if all teams agree, because chances are rare that you'll ever get them all to agree to something that might fuck them over. This is 100% a governing body issue and how they apply their rules, so its mighty convenient that its being stoked into an inter team war instead. I've already seen people wishing ill on Mercedes drivers because of it.

Besides, let's be honest, if this incident was inverted, I doubt Ferrari would have been feeling charitable. Haas would have been against it if it was Alfa Romeo, AM if it was McLaren, AT if it was Williams. The only two who would have got away with it are probably Alpine and Red Bull because they're not in competition with anyone.

[pressradio]

I like Fred.

But I feel like he kind of gaslight Charles whenever he can publicly about his mistakes, and also saying he shouldn’t criticize the team.

I find it weird when it’s your n1 driver stressed the car doesn’t perform and you want to renew. That and also the fact that in the meantime, Carlos can say anything and nobody comes at him for putting the team on a spot (his radios ? His post race/quali comments ? …). I haven’t forgotten the way they protested his penalty caused by the sun too.

I get Charles has the mentality to let it slide, while Carlos seem to need to be coddled and protected more.

But it’s Charles career too. I don’t want to see him becoming those drivers who are just wasted potential because the team is bad and they did not make right career choices.

Today was both the car and Charles. But the way Fred put him on the spot and also the way Xavi seem clueless. I have nothing against Xavi I’m afraid issues lie deeper in Charles garage. But comparing Charles & Carlos radio : Charles never gets answers on the spot, he has next to no useful info, two penalties already because the team did not warn him (on those ones, Carlos lack of penalty today seem unfair but good for him it’s not like the FIA would go after him for impending or being dangerous on track they haven’t for several races).

I don’t know��

I love him ah Ferrari but … again seeing McLaren leaping in front, Williams have a good car in those conditions, Mercedes being better to driver, AM too. Ferrari is a real mystery. You never know if they are really able to get their sh*t together.

I can’t wait for Monza. I almost hope Charles takes all the penalties he can tomorrow to have a fresh engine and gearbox. I don’t want the team to take risks. But also they didn’t at the start of the season and still destroyed 2 great races for him with mechanical issues so …

Hey hey! I send you my hugs after that disastrous race.

Thank you for your thoughts even though I’m going to disagree a bit. Sorry for all mistakes I made, I’m pretty far from my computer.

I hope I’ll be able to organise my answer in a way to make it understandable.

I think the main issue here is expectations.

No one expects anything from Carlos, nor Elkann, nor Fred. Not even Carlos’ fans themselves. No podiums? That’s OK. No poles? That’s OK. Settle for p5-p6? That’s OK. Shameless shit in interviews? Who cares? He’s just the other guy.

And the situation with Charles is completely different. Do we want it or not, Charles is the face of Ferrari. No one gives a shit if the car is drivable or not. The bar is in the space already. And Ferrari is underperforming. Which means Charles is underperforming as well. To be honest, with everything going inside and ptsd after 2022, I don’t think he should do miracles. But again, who cares? He is underperforming.

I like Fred as well. And Charles has been known him since he was a teenager. And if he says that he prefers their relationship to be direct and he likes it this way - I assume he knows what he is talking about. I haven’t seen all Fred interview this weekend, but what I read was pretty OK. Also maybe I’m delulu but I prefer to remember that all interviews are PR work and everything might be very much different from what’s been said.

P.S. the fact that they didn’t change everything for new components and took penalty here scares shit out of me before Monza.

P.S.2. Charles’s side of garage should be burned and then drown in holy water (with the sf-23) /half-joking

[petit-papillion]

I mostly agree with you regarding Carlos. But I don't necessarily think he lied about where he got track limits. It was false but not an intentional lie. Imo he simply didn't know at the time of the interviews. As far as I remember, he got told about strike 1 before the first pitstop/vsc, but then the rest only afterwards, like many laps after that. I think it was natural for him to assume that the other track limits were recent bc he also told on the radio that he didn't see where he was going off. (And he wasn't told which of his laps were deleted, only the corners he needed to be more careful in.) And tbh this is where my issues with all these penalties come in. Exceeding track limits is not like causing a collision, that the driver immediately knows he messed up. They don't notice it if it's marginal (and I imagine for the most part they were). But that's why there are strikes and a black-and-white flag, so they can adjust their driving and be more careful. But here, by the time they got any warning, they'd already had the penalty, it just wasn't yet handed out, so it didn't matter what they did later on. Ocon was obv the one most screwed over by this, but Carlos, too, bc afterwards, even though there was a lot more going on in his race, he drived more carefully. Anyway, I went off topic, and this got long, sorry. The point is, I don't think Carlos intentionally lied there. (Which doesn't erase the fact that it was so, so stupid of him to get track limits bc he was dead set on proving he was faster than Charles...)

Fair enough. He may indeed not have intentionally been lying about that part. I took the time to listen to his onboards, comparing it with the lap/race time and the FIA documents listing his deleted laps. There seems to have been a 15-20 minute delay between when Carlos's deleted laps took place and when Ricky tells Carlos/is notified by FIA. So this could indeed have led to Carlos thinking he was going over track limits after the VSC, when in fact all offenses took place before the VSC, but there was a delay in getting this information to him.

I do think in general these drivers know very well where they are placing their cars. If there was a wall (or gravel trap), they would not be running into it. When the line is wet, they know to avoid it. They can push their car through corners within centimeters of another car next to them. They know exactly where to stop for pit stops, or in the marked spot for the start of the race. And it's not like the drivers didn't already know this happens at this track:

Last year: 43 lap times deleted during the race

Qualifying: 47 lap times deleted

Oh, and on Saturday when it was wet:

Sprint Quali: 13 laps deleted

Sprint : 7 laps deleted

There definitely needs to be a conversation about this particular circuit, and how track limits in general are monitored. As you pointed out, the whole purpose of the system is so the driver is made aware and can adjust their driving. I already said on race day that they need more stewards - if they insist on keeping these types of regulations and penalties. In addition, there needs to be a more immediate detection of when a car exceeds the limit. Alternatively they could look into adjusting the track itself, or modify the rules to better fit the current racing trends.

Whatever it is, there has to be something better than what we experienced yesterday, because not informing drivers in a timely manner with a quick track like Austria, does not give them an opportunity to correct their driving. And nobody likes FIA handing out more penalties + adjusting the results dramatically many, many hours after the race has ended. (It is heartbreaking to hear Esteban's team radio at the finish, where he happily comments that he avoided getting a penalty for track limits, knowing what eventually happened to him.)

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Formula 1: Fernando Alonso reinstated on podium in Saudi Arabia after demotion overturned

Fernando Alonso has been reinstated to third place in the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix after stewards overturned their earlier decision to demote him. The Aston Martin driver had been dropped to fourth after it was ruled his team had worked on the car while he was serving a five-second penalty. But his team successfully argued there were previous examples of drivers not being penalised in such circumstances. The stewards agreed and overturned their original verdict. It was the end of a confusing set of events that Alonso had earlier labelled a "poor FIA show" when he believed he had been demoted from the podium to fourth behind Mercedes driver George Russell in a race won by Red Bull's Sergio Perez. Alonso's initial five-second penalty was for not placing his car correctly in its grid slot at the start of the race. He served this at his pit stop on lap 18 but was penalised a further 10 seconds by stewards at the end of the race when they ruled the rear jack touching his car before the five seconds had elapsed constituted "working" on it. Aston Martin presented minutes from a recent meeting of F1's sporting advisory group (SAG), which discussed seven different instances of cars being touched by the jack in such a way without being penalised. Aston Martin argued there had been an agreement between teams and the governing body that it was "incorrect" to rule that "an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack, would constitute 'working' on the car". The stewards accepted they had been mistaken. An FIA spokesperson said there were "conflicting precedents, and this has been exposed by this specific circumstance", and a clarification would be issued before the next race in Australia following a meeting of the SAG. Alonso also complained that it took too long to be told of the second penalty - and had he been, he would have been able to drive faster to make up the required time deficit. He had already done this to ensure he was five seconds ahead of Russell when it became apparent late in the race that he might receive a second penalty, but on the assumption this would be five seconds, not 10. "They told me I had a five-second penalty so I pushed a little bit harder and I opened seven seconds and I paid the penalty," he said, before the punishment was reversed. "In the second stint, there was no investigation, no information, nothing. If someone had told me, 'You have 10 secs', I'd have opened 11 secs." Alonso added: "Today is not good for the fans. When you take 35 laps to apply a penalty and to inform about the penalty and you inform after the podium, there's something really wrong in the system. It is a bit sad for the FIA." Russell, whose final position has been put back to fourth, said he believed both penalties were too harsh for the offences in question. "I understand why these rules are there," he said. "At the end of the day, we've got to stick within the guidelines. But I think a little bit of common sense needs to be shown. "Ultimately, I think he was a bit to the left [on the grid], was that right? He gained nothing from this. Perhaps a five-second [penalty] is too much. "And then with regards to his pit stop again, I don't know what happened and why he received the further penalty exactly. But a 10-second is too extreme in that case again." Alonso accepted he had made a mistake in positioning his car, but Russell and race-winner Perez agreed that a lack of visibility from the cockpit was a problem. Perez said: "I just overdid it and I stopped too early, but you have no idea when you are in the car. You don't know if you went too far or from behind or too far forward. "We need better visibility to be able to come up with a better idea than we currently have it. It's good that there is a rule in place, but at the same time, sometimes it's like luck, to be honest, where you position yourself." via BBC Sport - Formula 1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/

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hot takes! I hope I can send them this way not sure how to do it ...

mercedes have the most family style group on the grid

''Seb was an entirely different person at redbull'' not really he was never nasty...he's just an emotional person but has always had a heart of gold in there.

charles' passion for ferrari could destroy him...he is a genius driver who deserves better

The FIA will never change...f1 is just going to continue to go downhill.

Love your account by the way. 😄💗

no.1 i’d say aston martin has more of a family feel to it like w merc it sometimes feels it’s a bit too serious u kno?? whereas over at aston martin they are just vibing tbh but yeh merc do have a family feel to it

2. i think the whole seb at red bull was a diff person argument is pointless bc when he was at red bull he was in his early 20s and he’s talked about it before about how he had to mature much quicker than his friends bc he was always surrounded by younger people. he has always been the same person throughout his career it’s just a typical case of as he got older and more sensible/had kids he became more mature ifygm

3. yes yes yes yes yes yes hard fucking agree. we saw with seb how it ruined his career like he had the opportunity to go to merc in 2017 but he was far too loyal to ferrari to go to merc and that is hands down the worst mistake he ever made. people saying oh ferrari is changing bc of vassuer but they don’t realise that ferrari is still ferrari we are two races into the season and already charles has to take a penalty bc of a ferrari mistake. but the issue is with charles is that if he were to go anywhere else he would not get the same treatment he is getting at ferrari (i.e. being the no.1 driver). it’s such a tough one cos i would love for him to win with ferrari bc of all the history he has w ferrari but at the same time his career is being wasted so much

4. again hard agree the fia are quickly ruining this sport and i won’t be surprised if this sport in some years won’t exist bc of the fia being so dumb

and thank u 🥺🥺

send me a hot take about f1 and i’ll tell u what i think about it

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I still don’t see why they don’t just check everyone or at least after they found the issue they should have gone back and checked the others

Okay, so the first point I have is people don’t seem to realise the amount of time these checks take and how in-depth some of them are.

The amount of fans who already complain when waiting for the results of post race penalties, imagine having to wait until end of day, Monday or start of day Tuesday to get the final results for the race because that’s what it would be if you wanted all of the cars to have full checks after the race 

If the FIA were holding onto the cars to complete further tests, it would also massively delay the teams and really increase their workload, particularly on double and triple header weekends where they have to be packed up within a few hours within 3 to 5 hours normally, so they’d have an even shorter time period in which to work in

They’d probably be having to keep the cars in overnight to complete checks on all 20, so teams would have to stay an extra day to then take apart the car the next day, which delays them in getting to the next race and getting set up for that.

Then in regards to your point about why didn’t they go back and test the other cars?

Once the car is touched by someone outside of the FIA (and the driver) it cannot be guaranteed that it hasn’t been tampered with which would essentially nullify any tests that they did carry out.

In the future, maybe they expand the testing of the wear plank to be one driver for each team or the top 10 finishers, but that would be a significant amount of extra work for the scrutinies and it would likely delay getting final race results.

Also where do you draw the line, should more drivers have oil and fuel sampling done, or aerodynamic checks etc

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The safety of the Australian Grand Prix is being questioned after an F1 fan was hit by debris and others invaded the track

The Australian Grand Prix's safety procedures came under scrutiny after a Formula One fan at the event injured his arm after being hit by a piece of Kevin Magnussen's car debris. Will Sweet claimed that during the race on Sunday at Albert Park, he and his fiancée were standing on a crowded hill just off turn two when the Danish Haas driver's car struck the track-side barrier, launching his tyre and debris into the air. He told radio station 3AW, "It slapped me in the arm and I was just standing there bleeding." "My arm was protecting my neck where it would have been, but my girlfriend would have been smacked right in the skull if that had struck her. "I became aware of its size and weight. If it had struck me from a different angle, it could have been horrifying because a portion of it was torn and quite sharp. Sweet claimed that despite the crowded, kid-filled area where he was standing, no race officials came to help him. Nobody even showed up to take a look, he added. "My fiancée was borderline shell-shocked by it and pretty terrified by it." A race marshal was killed at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix when his wheel was struck by Jacques Villeneuve's vehicle after the Williams driver and Ralf Schumacher collided. The AGPC did not respond immediately. The race's organisers were already facing criticism after numerous spectators barged onto the course near the finish line. Due to security and safety lapses that enabled fans access to the track, Formula One stewards ordered the Australian Grand Prix Corporation (AGPC) to immediately develop a "remediation plan." The car driven by Nico Hulkenberg of Haas was parked at the exit of turn two when spectators managed to get past security and onto the circuit. In a statement released by the sanctioning organisation, the FIA, stewards said that "all of this constituted substantial hazard to the spectators; race officials; and the drivers." The AGPC acknowledged the safety and security lapses in front of the stewards, admitting that it was a "unacceptable circumstance that could have had disastrous repercussions." Social media videos showed spectators scaling trackside fences. In order to rectify the issues, organisers were had to submit a formal remediation plan, which included an assessment of the marshals in charge of securing Hulkenberg's vehicle. The World Motor Sports Council of the governing body was also asked to review the incident by the stewards in order to decide whether any penalties should be imposed. The AGPC requested a deadline of June 30 to submit its review. According to the organisers, 131,124 people attended Albert Park on Sunday and a record-breaking 444,631 people watched the races during the entire week. Read the full article

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Speaking as someone who has no option but the sky sports commentary, if you don't think they're biased you're wrong. I've watched F1 my entire life so just over two decades. The rights have changed from ITV to BBC to Sky in that time and the bias has always been there but as Sky Sports has the main English speaking F1 content in the age of social media, the bias is significantly more harmful.

Fans get to be biased. Commentary is supposed to be unbiased and impartial. Yes a driver's home country's commentary will undoubtedly be biased in favor of them and no commentary is completely free from bullshit takes, however the British commentary is held up as the "proper" one, it caters to more of the fan base than any other and is heralded as the home of F1. They continuously spread misinformation, are unable to remain impartial for the roughly two hours of races we get and are unable to not stir shit for views. British drivers and teams that have British drivers are held to a completely different standard.

And it's not just Red Bull or Max affected. I'm basically crying out for literally any info on the likes of Alex, Mick, Zhou, Yuki etc during race weekends but no I have to hear more about how Mercedes might actually have a chance at a win this time out which they've already discussed multiple times prior. Mercedes tend to get a free pass from criticism from the British commentators. Had any other team had "we deal with it in house" strategy in regards to punishing their drivers, the British commentators would absolutely lose it. But Toto giving stern talkings to Nico and Lewis whenever they crashed each other out (Spain 2016 for example) and to George after Imola 2021 (where he without question should've been held accountable by the FIA for hitting a fellow driver in the head after a crash when said driver's condition was still in question) is fine and goes by without question. Had say Ferrari pestered the FIA long enough in order to change rules and regulations (see changing the flooring regulations mid season this year or the pit stop rules mid season last year), they would be dogged by criticism and allegations of cheating. They've been silent about Mercedes doing the aforementioned. Meanwhile one of the alpha tauris or alpines or alfa romeos are starting from the pits but it's not deemed important enough to explain why until literally the last minute and we're getting underway. The way they talk about the likes of Checo and Yuki in particular have been disgusting and beyond insulting. It's far from impartial and it's nothing like real journalism. They criticize the FIA if they don't like a penalty (especially if it affects a British driver negatively) but, apart from Jenson Button, none of them saw the need to talk about the issue of the tractor on track during wet conditions with racing continuing under yellow flags at Suzuka. They often take quotes out of context to fit their narrative and often spread misinformation in order to uphold that narrative.

Some of you are too young or didn't watch F1 during the Schumi days or red bull era! Seb, but as someone who watched both and everything in-between and after, little has changed in regards to that bias. But as I've said before it's significantly worse in the age of social media. You're never free from trolls but spreading this bias as gospel truth leads to people believing it as such. The amount of harm that causes is horrific. I've seen racial abuse, death threats, body shaming, outright misogyny, and so much worse, directed at many drivers and many fans of said drivers both online and irl. They rightfully called it out at Austria. Yet they were almost entirely silent at Monza and at Silverstone. You don't get to cherry pick when it matters because it might fit your narrative because it always does matter and it is always wrong no matter who is directly affected or involved. No circuit or fanbase is perfect or free from bad eggs but to say that it was one driver's entire fanbase one weekend and that it was "just a few bad eggs" the next because it's a different driver's fanbase spreading abuse is clear evidence of inherent bias and double standards. You cannot pretend to be impartial while doing this.

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm without bias because I'm not. I don't have to be, however, because I'm a fan, not a commentator. They should be impartial for the length of the race weekend and be able to give an unbiased analysis on every driver and team. Can you honestly tell me that they are able to do so? I can set aside my biases and acknowledge if the drivers I support messed up or if a driver I'm generally indifferent to (I don't hate any driver, I don't get how people are so obsessed with hating on drivers they dislike) did well. I don't believe they can do the same, if they ever could because they've gone unchecked for years.

Also Sky Sports is the channel that used horrific crashes in ads to wish people a merry Christmas last year. They pulled the ad after rightfully receiving heavy criticism but I don't know if they ever apologized for it. I personally doubt it.