#felgami salt

[red-balloon12]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but….

WHY WOULD KAGAMI BE PAIRED UP WITH FELIX WHEN ZOE WAS RIGHT THERE??

I’ve heard enough from others to know that I’m not a fan of Felgami. Zoe would have been a better lover to Kagami. Like yeah, I have my grievances with Zoe, but I know that she’d probably love Kagami for who she is and not just because she’s a senti-monster UNLIKE SOMEONE-

[ladyfreya123]

Hey Freya! I have a couple questions for you. How far are you in the canon show? What are your honest thoughts of Félix and Kagami being a couple?

Side note; I used to be Turiankitty

Hi there!💙

I stopped watching the show in the middle of season 4. I don't really care what is happening in the show right now.

Felix and Kagami is a big 'no' for me. My opinion may be not accurate since i don't know the context of making them canon, but it feels not right for me. Just the fact that Felix betrayed Ladybug makes me hate him enough. He is a villain to me.

[generalluxun]

I'd like your opinion on my anti-Feligami scenario. Felix believes Kagami is a senti because her ring has an amok, but what if it isn't hers. The ring contains the now defunct amok of a long dead sentimonster that was given to the founder of her family over a thousand years ago. When the ring is destroyed, and Kagami is unharmed Felix dumps her.

It's viable. I can definitely see him dumping her when she is a human. We haven't seen him care about humans really yet, or realize his mistake. This is what comes from speed running their relationship and his 'redemption' arc.

I still say Felgami in fanon is very viable, just the canon version is toxic.

For myself I think personality conflict is the easiest path. Felix needs control. He hasn't had the requisit realization and growth to have changed. Over time Kagami simply being her own person will make him show his true colors.

Now how this plays out when he has the peacock and knows where her amok is... can be messy.

[flightfoot]

Luka being canonical therapist has the one upside that eventual Lukloé might be a thing. 😂

Between Felgami and adrienette 'fix him/her' ships seem to be on the table.

Adrien having friends who aren't Marinette's friends would be awesome. This isn't dogging Marinette, just... Carving out some space.

They could possible shorthand it by letting Adrien get mad at Marinette. Not over a big thing, a small thing, couple stuff. Maybe she makes plans and doesn't consult him (either forgets or assumes she knows he would be okay with it because she knows him so well, both very Marinette angles) and he's upset.

They have a little tiff, then separately get to talk out the issue. Adrien being told it's okay to be upset and voice his side and it doesn't mean he doesn't love her. She gets told mistakes are fine, and that Adrien being upset doesn't mean he doesn't love her or that she's a bad person, and she's allowed to be upset too, that the important part is resolving the conflict not repressing/avoiding it.

By the end of the episode they make up, no protracted angst. The key point is it needs to be a third party who tells each that conflict is okay, otherwise it becomes just 'permission from the power holder' or 'submission to the power holder'

I feel the need to repeat: Marinette can be trying to do everything right and still the problem comes up. Adrien's particular issues didn't stem from her but can rub off on her. It's not Marinette salt.

And I think a single episode is less angst than an entire season😅

Yeah I think that would be good. I do worry about Adrien's people-pleasing tendencies and need to mold himself in order to be considered lovable by people, so him feeling free to get mad, even at someone he loves, would be good. Just so long as they worked things out afterwards. But I would like that extra piece of assurance that he's with Marinette because he chooses it because that makes him happy, but that he's confident enough in himself and his situation that it IS a choice, that he's able to separate without it wrecking every bit of his world.

We saw something like that with Ladybug and Chat Noir back during season 4, and well... honestly it DID wreck his world back then (not that it was fantastic for Marinette either, losing a friend like that is rough).

[red-balloon12]

1. I’m with you on the love square. I know for a fact people say S4/5 is their favorite because the writers did SOMETHING with it but I couldn’t care less. It was such an interesting concept the first..2 seasons and now it’s been done to filth and I can’t help but find more interest in ships outside of it.

2. The actual canon for ML is so bare bones that the headcanons for this show actually make them more interesting so I can’t think of any boring h/c either.

3. Yeah I’m also with you on the Chloe salt blocking. Girlie went through enough dragging these past few seasons, I’d love to just forsake her canon and continue to embrace her potential in fanon works please- (I also just don’t see a lot of what the anti-Chloe people see. 

There’s like..a handful of people actually dismissing Chloe’s bad behavior while everyone else still takes it into accountability. Just because those people aren’t trashing and hating on Chloe like they are doesn’t mean they’re ignoring the bad things she did. Wanting better for her doesn’t equal excusing her behavior but Chloe salters can’t seem to get that through their heads.)

4. I’m still mad at Felgami being a thing…the real Kagami would have never got with Felix after he basically kidnapped her-

5. I actually made a whole post about the whole Zoe/Marinette Vs Chloe/Marinette thing. It’s a bit of an unhinged rant but it’s still holding up.

2, 7, 21, 26, 27, and 29

2.) Part of canon you think is overhyped

Um…is it bad if i say the Love Square? I think, at this point in the series (where I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter as much), it’s been overdone and dragged out too much. It would’ve been fine if it got resolved earlier, but I’m honestly sooo tired of it. It’s why I default to every other ship that isn’t the Love Square when I look for fanon content, or making it.

7.) The boring headcanon that is everywhere

Hmm…I actually don’t know, but I will talk about a headcanon I like! Any and all that headcanons that emphasize Marinette’s Chinese heritage. I especially love the cut idea from the movie where she’s Chinese born. That’s canon in my fanon

21.) Ship that did not deserve to be overshadowed by a more popular ship

This is hard because I think most of the underrated ships (in my eyes) get enough attention in the fanon, so none of them get overshadowed? But I’m going to be basic and say…Marinette/Nino being overshadowed by Nino/Alya and Marinette/Adrien. I don’t see nearly as much content for it now, but I think it’s a cute enough ship!

26.) A "He would not fucking say that" moment

Any time Kagami said something to push the Marinette and Kagami love rivalry for Adrien, and anytime she’s on screen with Felix. That is a fucking shapeshifter-

27.) A tag that will automatically turn you off a fic for this fandom

Chloe Salt. As someone who’s a big fan of Chloe, while acknowledging she’s not a perfect character, I get more annoyed at people complaining about Chloe Stans than the actual “obsessive” Chloe Stans. To the point where I just blocked the tag entirely on Tumblr. The show already hates her and she’s already fucking dead, we should give her a break-

29.) A ship or headcanon that clearly exists only to simplify fanon

Zoe/Marinette. They are trying to block us from Chloe/Marinette, but they cannot trick us. They can’t pull the wool over our eyes-

[flightfoot]

I think I finally nailed down my biggest 'eww' with Felgami. Yes it's rushed, yes it's a 'fix him' ship, but even before all that: None lf it is about Kagami.

Kagami was a whole character, complete and going through her own arcs and struggles before Felix showed up. Then, poof she's a sentimonster. Does this enrich her character? No it ties her to Felix, it lets Felix 'save' her, and gives her an excuse to forgive/bond/redeem him. If she's not a sentimonster then none of this works, but she is only one *so* this works, for Felix.

The Felgami arc is all about Felix, Kagami is merely an accessory to it.

Kagami, best girl, deserves more than that.

Addendum:There were ways to do Felgami well. It's not a noTP for me, I'm not just salting 🤣

Okay so, I personally like Feligami. It's not my OTP, but I enjoy it and I think they work well together. I've always liked enemies-to-lovers or rivals-to-lovers ships for Kagami, ships where she and the other person gain mutual, grudging respect for each other that gradually transitions into love, so while Feligami wasn't something I was originally thinking of for Kagami, it is at least in the ballpark.

I don't know that I'd say Feligami is a "Fix him" ship, it's a little early to call it that. What we saw in Pretension wasn't so much Kagami "fixing" Felix, as Kagami scolding Felix and then him changing course a little when he acknowledged those criticisms. It gives me more of a Lizzie and Mr. Darcy vibe, actually, which I dig.

I don't think Kagami being a sentimonster just makes her revolve around Felix. While it does give him an innate tie to her, a reason to want to get to know her as a person when he's been pretty antisocial with others so far, that's not the only purpose that Kagami being a sentimonster serves. Kagami being a sentimonster is pretty important in Perfection and Protection after all, and those have nothing to do with Felix. Her being a Senti also helps further the "Kagami is abused and controlled, though less directly than Adrien is" plot, as well as the "arranged marriage and Adrigaminette love triangle" plotline. It's multipurpose.

Honestly, so far I'd say the Feligami arc is as much about Kagami as it is about Felix.