#fantastic four (1961) 13

[fanfictiongreenirises]

and reed just lets ben shove him inside a bottle

[hautsreadsmarvel]

“Fantastic Four” (1961, issues 13-17)

Disclaimer: I complain a lot here, but I actually think these issues are pretty solid. Yes, even issue 13, regardless of my stance on its unsavory propagandistic tones.

By all rights, I ought skip issue 13, “The Red Ghost And His Indescribable Super-Apes!" Four things:

This issue introduces Uatu the Watcher, a member of a nigh-omnipotent advanced civilization whose members each passively observe other worlds; it also introduces the place he dwells in - the Blue Area of the Moon, which shows up blue on photographs due to the blue ruins there, and has a breathable atmosphere bubble thanks to its advanced tech.

A [Red Menace villain] manages to replicate the F4’s power-granting event by flying a rocket containing himself and his three trained primates into the radiation belt. He gets selective intangibility, his pets gain super-strength, shapeshifting, and magnetic ray projection (which works on the Torch presumably bc there are metal elements in his suit). Tragically, I have been informed that the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes are recurring villains.

Johnny gets a special space suit that lets him flame on (and on and on and on…) in space.

Technically, the F4 are the first Americans on the moon. Sorry, Neil and Buzz. The Red Ghost maybe beat them there though? I’m not sure.

Issue 14 starts w the F4 returning from the Moon and immediately being paparazzi’d. On one hand, I’m sure this portrayal of women is partially explicable by authorial sexism; on the other hand, given the women I know who thirst over John Krasinski… yeah, I guess that’s true to real life.

Torch rescues the others by thermokinetically stimulating a controlled cyclone that pulls them to the roof of the… wait, is it called the Baxter building? I don’t think they call it that yet, but I guess that’s something else I already know about the F4 too.

The Human Torch really said “kys”, lmao.

Anyways the plot is that the Puppet Master returns, puppets Namor into puppeting Sue into becoming Namor’s hostage, then has him issue a challenge to the other Fantastics to rescue her. They beat him, and in the process release a gigantic octopus that beats the Puppet Master, who for some reason was on a nearby submarine (range limitation to his figurines’ powers?)

There’s a lot of kooky underwater creatures and technology at Namor’s disposal, but “giant octopi”, “giant oysters”, “giant undersea organism that fires off spikes when disturbed”, and Atlantean remote-projection technology all kind of make sense to me. The ones that really drew a scoff out of me are the ones that clearly exist just to give Namor powers w/o really giving him powers…

…like, you know, the mento-fish? Like you learned about in school? Fellow fizzes when you pop it in a soda. But also like, the mento-fish didn’t need to exist - Namor has a gizmo in his lair that lets him remotely project an audiovisual of himself all the way to the F4’s HQ.

Hey, what about the hypno-fish? You remember learning about hypno-fish, right? ??????? Why not just have this be technology? See, these being fish poses two problems: one, we now have to accept that these species can just be found in Earth’s oceans whenever a new story goes forward, and two, Namor can mimic the powers of any undersea creature - so now, Namor should have hypnosis, touch-range air bubble projection, and global-range telepathy. Why does he need to command the fish to do these things when his mimic-power should let him do this stuff anyways?

(Flinging my manipulator appendages in the air and gesticulating wildly) ???????

The “Thinker”, a villain* makes a super-smart computer bank that can predict the future w impeccable accuracy. He uses it to convince gangsters to join up w him and strike the F4’s HQ during a time the computers predict they’re all out of town, and a similarly predicted plunging meteor causes a blackout that disables the HQ’s defenses. However, Johnny is unhappy as a circus performer, Reed is unhappy having a boss at General Electric, the Thing is unhappy to discover that wrestling is scripted, and Sue finds that she doesn’t like acting in Hollywood as much as she thought she would. Thus they reunite and come back to their skyscraper, only to find it transmuted to crystal…

Since the Thinker is a villain, he has access to one of the shared powers all villains seem to exhibit at some point or another: hypnosis (the other two being “magnetism that is basically just telekinesis” and “owning a private aerial or nautical vehicle”). Moreover, he’s co-opted Reed’s science notes and devised weapons based on them, including the android pictured on the cover. Obviously the Four break thru all his traps, goons, and monsters… but this is “just as planned”.

Somehow, though, Deus ex machina saves the day, but in a way totally opposite to prior DEMs so far; instead of a hero pulling a new power out of their ass, the villain inexplicably loses efficacy w one of theirs:

Why is this outside the Thinker’s predictions, when it was able to fully account for all the “human element[s]” before? If your villain is too omniscient to fail, but you need them to fail… then why not just make the Thinker not omniscient? Examples would include but not necessarily be limited to:

Make the Thinker’s predictions have noticeable but minor holes elsewhere that start to show up ~midway thru the plot, so that there’s still room for him to be caught by surprise. However, he remains confident in his predictions because he’s either not aware of the holes, considers them so minor as to be unimportant, or is too arrogant to back down now that his plan is succeeding.

Have the Thinker start to bluster and sweat more as the F4 break thru his gauntlet ever so slightly faster at each stage than he thought they would progress, thereby indicating that reality is diverging from his predictions the closer we get to the end-stage.

At a whopping 22 pages, this one is only a little smaller than a Marvelverse book.

The F4 realize they’ve all been intermittently shrinking and then returning to normal size recently. A mocking voice claims they are putty in its hands, and another voice later warns them to ware of DOOM. Shortly after they realize they may need the Ant-Man’s help, that very hero arrives on the scene and provides them some shrinking and reducing precursor molecules. He then faffs off to “try and learn what [he] can in [his] own way--back at [his] lab”, which feels confusing bc what can he do about this at his lab? Anyways, as it turns out, DOOM survived his shrinkening, entered a “micro-world”, and took it over. The F4 use Ant-Man’s shrinking formula to chase him, get subdued, shrunken further by DOOM’s shrink ray, and imprisoned w the shrunken royal family he disposed of priorly.

Fascinatingly, this issue contains one of the few times in any fictional media I’ve ever seen acid not portrayed in some lurid aposematic color. Neat!

Just as fascinatingly, the micro-world has other planets. I wonder if you could see a Tok spaceship thru a microscope.

Dang, the writers really don’t know how to do anything w Sue. On that note, I feel like what she needs is something that gives her soundless 3D movement - like the Vulture’s flight tech! That would solve so many of the issues that lead to her getting detected or captured easily, and would let her scout for the team much more effectively. Alas, the Vulture tech is magnetic, and magnetism is predominantly a villainous technology.

In the climax, Ant-Man returns, follows them into the micro-world, immediately gets captured, and… doesn’t really assist them in overcoming DOOM or repelling the Tok lizardmen, the F4 do that themselves. After being disarmed by Sue, DOOM escapes and returns to the regular size-world, as do our heroes shortly after. This ending leads directly to…

Yes, all of those traps really show up in this issue! I don’t find them very exciting, despite knowing that these would be a real treat to face in an adventure game - the Comics Code Authority guaranteeing that the heroes must always win simply makes it so that any villainous trap gauntlet involves no tension nor threat.

I haven’t highlighted the banter between Torch and the Thing recently, so rest assured that it is still here and I still like it very much, especially since it’s obvious now that it is just banter to them.

Reed devises a gizmo w such finely tuned sensory capabilities as to make any scientific laboratory in the world weep. Unlike most super-tech, I can believe that someone irl could eventually create this (non-invasive and remote imaging tech gets more and more science-fictional every year).

Meanwhile the Torch develops a new pyrokinetic technique. I’m not going to call it an asspull, both because using thermal projection for sonar isn’t super far-fetched if you have such fine pyrokinetic control, and also because we don’t even know if it actually works. The other two also have no luck finding DOOM, but one does not find DOOM; it’s the other way ‘round.

By settling for being an annoying little shit to the heroes rather than actually trying to defeat them, the devilish Doctor cleverly outwits the cosmic force that is the Comics Code Authority and scores his first real W.

Sadly, he then tries to actually defeat the Fantastic Four by abducting Alicia to his private aerial dreadnought, and then to defeat the USA (AMERICA! AMERICA! MAY GOD THY GOLD REFINE TIL ALL SUCCESS BE NOBLENESS) by disabling their factories and missiles - thus causing the baleful glare of the almighty CCA to swing back to him. Thus naturally our brave heroes defeat him, but DOOM escapes yet again to wreak havoc.

Extra pictures: DOOM does not know how to spell “earnest”, and also he looks like a muppet sometimes. And you can do judo on DOOM... maybe he's secretly an ant, under that mask?

*for villain reasons, you wouldn't understand.

[positivelybeastly]

First question, what year was Hank born? Second question how might the events going on in our world have affected the characterization of Hank? Beyond the 90s incarnation of the character might make a post about this later…

So, asking for a set birth year for a comic book character is a bad idea, because with very few exceptions, they don't exist. For example, Google tells us that Captain America was born on the 4th of July, 1920.

Or maybe he wasn't? Apparently that got retconned and it isn't 4th of July, but it was 1920? Already we run into problems. COMIC BOOKS.

Outside of very specific characters, they just don't have birth years or birth dates, they exist within the Marvel sliding timescale. If you're not familiar with the sliding timescale, the basic conceit is this:

Modern Marvel comics began in 1961 with Fantastic Four #1. This is essentially the start of the modern Marvel era, and every other superhero group is contextualised in relation to this, pretty much. The Avengers were formed maybe six months, a year later, the X-Men not long after that.

For every 3-5 years that passes outside of comics, 1 year passes inside of comics. E.g. Fantastic Four #1 took place either 13 or 21 years ago, or somewhere in between, it's not an exact science.

As for Hank specifically, well . . .

October, 1983, was contemporary to Hank saying this.

That plot took place in a comic book from 1974, nearly ten years before this, and yet Hank says it's just "a few years ago." So time is passing, but slowly. Hank here is explicitly in his early 20s, maybe 22-23, but the Hank we saw in this week's X-Force #50 was not 40 years older than him. So, how to make it all make sense?

A lot of headcanon and kind of inferring based on contextual hints. Hank is depicted as being roughly 17-18 when he joins the original X-Men, given that he's stated in dialogue to be the oldest of the team, and seems to have been on the verge of graduating high school when his normal human life was interrupted. So, now you just work backwards.

If Hank was 17-18 when the original X-Men were formed, and it's been 21 years since then (referring back to the sliding timescale), then it stands to reason X-Force Beast is 37-38. If he's 38 in our current year of 2024, then logically, he would have been born in . . .

1986!

Which is what I've been running with for as long as I've been writing him. It isn't quite compatible with stuff like this, which is very obviously written in the 60s and set in the 60s, and which explicitly positions Hank as an Atomic Age hero, with radiation based origins and a super scientist pedigree . . .

But eh. We move.

As to the second part of your question

. . . Ooohhhhh boy.

Um.

There's a lot? And I hate to bring it all back to 9/11 and the War on Terror, but it's kind of all about 9/11 and the War on Terror?

Media about terrorism, security, threats to mankind, all looked very different pre-September 11th, 2001. Go back and watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and see how Kira Nerys, a character who is explicitly called a terrorist in dialogue, is treated for her actions. She's positioned more as a World War II resistance fighter than anything else. If that show were made now, she would be an intensely different character, because the American cultural and media consciousness has never recovered from that day.

If you want to read more about this, there's quite a lot of academic discourse on how this has all changed. Here's a decent start.

But specifically Hank? Well, the X-Men have had their own 9/11. Multiple times. The Genoshan genocide, as depicted in New X-Men #116, actually just a few months before 9/11. It's entirely possible that this entire storyline might not have been made if it had been written after.

The Xavier Institute bus bombing.

The Decimation.

The X-Men became a beleaguered minority, besieged on all sides, reduced to the island of Utopia, just 198 mutants and falling. Cyclops explicitly became far more ruthless, willing to ally with former adversaries and use kill tactics to get the job done, and you could see his portrayal, the infamous #Cyclops Was Right movement, gaining a lot of steam during this era. People really like this Cyclops.

And where's Hank in this? Well.

He's the moral counterpoint.

People don't like to acknowledge this, and I feel like there might be a degree of cultural difference going on here, but Hank is correct. I feel like it's not even controversial to say that kill teams are bad. Right?

But people hate Hank for this. They think he's a whiny little bitch who won't and can't help, who runs out on his people, who prioritises his morals over being there for the X-Men. People legitimately think this of him.

Hank is the left wing, conscientious objector and anti-war viewpoint. So, naturally, there's a tendency to look upon him as a whiny little bitch. Just look at how shows like 24 contextualise that kind of moral viewpoint.

I do feel like the writers of this era wanted people to at least question who was right, between Hank and Scott, but the readers pretty much unanimously fell on Scott's side, because even as Scott started to use morally corrupt tactics . . .

He wasn't doing it for America, bullying small countries out of their oil in the name of democracy. He was doing it for a marginalised minority metaphor, fighting comic book supervillains, which is simpler, easier to root for. He had to use those tactics, you understand. He was fighting monsters! He was fighting the good fight.

Is 00s era X-Men War on Terror propaganda? I don't know. I'm not a political scholar, though I do have a B.A. in History. Interesting how the fandom seems to view this ideological conflict, though.

Anyway, time moves on, and then something starts to creep into Hank's character. Something that inevitably happens to characters like him.

Anti-intellectualism.

No longer is Hank the moral counterpoint, now he's the intellectual who will lead us all to ruin because he's smarter than he is wise, because he's an idiot with no impulse control.

This characterisation is wholly incorrect and runs contrary to the fact that Hank learned his lesson about unethical experimentation practises in the 70s, in an incident that only harmed him, but whatever. It doesn't matter at this point, does it?

Only people with real world experience, who are level headed, who aren't eggheads, can solve the real problems of the day. People like, uh.

Hmm.

Who does have the solution to the problems of the day?

Ah, I see.

We just forgive him for all the heinous shit he did on Utopia, huh?

All that stuff he did, the releasing bioweapons, the kill teams, that was fine, because he did it to the right people.

Well, that's all right, then.

Mmm-hmm. So much better than the egghead. Look at him in the corner, fumbling around, making more problems than he solves. What a motherfucker.

So, yes, let's talk about American anti-intellectualism.

I don't necessarily think Bendis is anti-intellectual. But I do think he spends a lot of time across multiple comics criticising Beast and valorising Cyclops, considering the worst thing Beast had done up until that point, vandalising the space-time continuum to get the O5 back into the present, was done explicitly so Bendis could play with X-Men with only 8 issues of continuity to keep straight.

But anything Cyclops did? All that X-Force stuff? Ehh. Don't worry about it. The only crime we care about is the death of Charles Xavier, for which Scott was possessed, so we can't make a moral judgement.

It's a whole ass topic, and a lot to get into, but I genuinely do think that Hank is one of those characters who especially suffers when written by a writer who doesn't trust vaunted intellectuals, because he's certainly not going to fucking flourish, is he?

And then it all comes full circle.

Ben Percy, enter the ring.

Wolverine, the unequivocal hero of X-Force. Beast, the unequivocal villain of the series. The heart vs. the head. The man of action vs. the intellectual. The rugged thug vs. the fancy pants necessary bastard.

It's the same thing, just more extreme, really. I think X-Force is meant to be a critique of the CIA? If so, it's an extremely bad one, considering it ends on this note.

Ah yes. Our heroes. The CIA.

I'm gonna quote the frankly incredible @brw here because they put it way better than I could on this point:

"This is genuinely a larger problem I have with Krakoa, is that rather than explore the culpability and complicity of all the characters involved in not just the creation, but the active maintenance and survival of what is, categorically, an eugenicist, oligarchy ethnostate, we instead act as if Krakoa would have been fine if not for Evil Hank/Evil Moira/Evil Sinister for ruining it all for the rest of us.

Because are Sage or Logan ever properly thought to be bad people for standing by as long as they did? It isn't even that X-Force are the people who do the dirty stuff–it's Hank that does that, and the rest of the character get to keep their hands relatively clean, at least narratively. They're sympathetic, or understandable.

Hank is positioned as this demon in the shadows ready to snatch you up and kill you which is a weird decision to make with what you describe as the CIA.

The CIA isn't evil because evil people are in charge of it, the CIA is evil because it is a fundamentally evil institution based off evil systems! Benjamin, you can't write mutant CIA if your closing statement is how awesome the mutant CIA is, and it's a shame about that one evil blue guy that ruined everything for everyone."

Good thing we got rid of that Beast guy! What a fucker, right? Nasty, gross, intellectual pustule he was, with his oily words and grossness. Look at him, reading books. Sage is fine, though, because she doesn't read books. I mean, she's quantifiably grossly incompetent in this series, but we like her better than Beast, so it's fine.

Beast, from the 2000s era onward, is a very political character. It's just a shame that a lot of comic book writers tend to be grossly ill-informed when it comes to actual politics, capable of only surface level hot takes like CIA bad or kill teams good, actually, because now we've gone from 'Beast is the left wing conscientious objector' to 'Beast is the literal anti-Christ,' and I don't really like what that implies about what we think of the former.

But eh. I'm just a writer.

[ultrameganicolaokay]

Avengers Epic Collection Volume 13: ‘Seasons of the Witch’ by Roger Stern, Mark Gruenwald, Al Milgrom, John Byrne and more. Cover by Milgrom. Out in November.

"The old order changeth once again! The Avengers welcome the powerful new Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau, into their ranks – just in time to witness the trial of Hank Pym, one of their stalwart members! Then, Thanos' fun-loving brother Starfox joins the roster for an adventure to the Inhumans' refuge on the moon and an uncanny team-up with the Fantastic Four that will have lasting repercussions for the Vision! As the Scarlet Witch fears for her synthezoid husband, Doctor Strange seeks her aid on a search for the Darkhold! But will a cash-strapped Spider-Man find gainful employment as the newest Avenger? Super villains cause pandemonium at Project PEGASUS, and Hawkeye goes solo – but when Clint Barton meets Mockingbird, Cupid is the one firing all the arrows! Collecting AVENGERS (1963) #227-237 and ANNUAL (1967) #12, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL (1964) #16, FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) #256, DOCTOR STRANGE (1974) #60 and HAWKEYE (1983) #1-4."

[pierre-reads-comics]

Fantastic Four (1961) #13 — Stan Lee, Jack Kirby

I am incredibly curious to see if this ever-so-convenient device made by Reed will be regularly used by Johnny in space moving forward, haha.

[starkf1sh]

comics that i've read full list

oh god. okay, here we go.

before the 80s:

Fantastic Four (1961) [#1 - 10, 12, 13, 15, 18 - 22, 24 - 31] - Annual #1, 2

Tales to Astonish (1958) [#27, 35 - 41, 44, 47 - 61]

Incredible Hulk (1962) [#1 - 6]

Amazing Fantasy (1962) [#15]

Journey into Mystery (1952) [#83 - 88, 97 - 111]

Strange Tales (1951) [#101 - 104, 106, 110, 111, 114, 115, 118 - 127] - Annual #2

Amazing Spider-Man (1963) [#1 - 18] - Annual #1

Tales of Suspense (1959) [#42 - 60]

 X-Men (1963) [#1 - 7]

Avengers (1963) [#1 - 9]

Daredevil (1964) [#1 - 6]

the 2000s:

Secret War (2004)

Civil War II: Ulysses Infinite Comic (2016)

Winter Soldier (2018)

[savage-kult-of-gorthaur]

"...IN THE SENSES-SHATTERING PAGES OF "AMAZING ADVENTURES" -- !"

PIC INFO: Spotlight on an "Amazing Adventures" Marvel Comics House advertisement titled “The Inhumans Are Coming!” (1970). Artwork by Jack "King" Kirby & "Big" John Buscema.

MINI-OVERVIEW: "One of the aforementioned Showcase-style umbrella titles was "Amazing Adventures," a resurrection of the 1961 title that evolved into "Amazing Adult Fantasy" before morphing into "Amazing Fantasy" #15, featuring the first appearance of Spider-Man.

This iteration of AA served as the home for two spin-off features — the Inhumans (written and penciled by Kirby) from the Fantastic Four and Black Widow (written by Gary Friedrich, penciled by John Buscema) from the Avengers. Predating cover credits, the ad made sure to make mention of the creatives, which included Marvel’s two top artistic talents."

-- THE 13TH DIMENSION, "My 13 Favorite 1970s Marvel Comics House Ads," by Dan Greenberg, published August 2023

Source: https://13thdimension.com/paul-kupperberg-my-13-favorite-1970s-marvel-comics-house-ads.

[kirbydots]

[ID: two images, the first being a panel from Marvel of Professor Horton gesturing to Jim Hammond, who’s aflame inside a glass tube. Horton exclaims “the Human Torch!” in bright orange font. The second is a list of comics, edited over a panel of Jim on fire as a terrified crowd surrounds him. The list is titled “The Original Human Torch comic reading guide.” The list is as follows:

Jim Hammond first appears in Marvel Mystery Comics (1939) #1

Essential Comics: The Saga of the Original Human a torch (1990)

- Marvel Mystery comics (1939)

- The Human Torch (1940)

- All Winners Comics (1941)

- Young Men (1950) # 24-28

- Fantastic Four (1961) Annual #4

- The Invaders (1975)

- West Coast Avengers (1989) # 42, 50-65

- The Invaders (1993)

- Marvels (1994)

- Heroes for Hire (1997)

- Namor the Sub-Mariner (1990) #9, 11-13 , 20, 26, 31

- Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty (1998) # 2-4

- New Invaders (2004)

- Avengers/Invaders (2008)

- Human Torch 70th Anniversary special (2009)

- Marvel Mystery Comics 70th Anniversary (2009)

- All Winners 70th Anniversary (2009)

- The Marvels Project (2009)

- The Torch (2009)

- Invaders Now (2010)

- Secret Avengers (2010) # 23-25,31-37

- All New Invaders (2014)

- Fantastic Four (2014) # 5-6,13-14

- Fantastic Four (1961) # 642-645

- Squadron Supreme (2016) #1,3,7,11-15

- Captain America: Steve Rogers (2016) #13

- Secret Empire: Brave New World (2017) #2-5

- Invaders (2019)

- Captain America & The Invaders: Bahamas Triangle (2019)

End ID.]

do you have any jim hammond comic recs? I've read him before when he shows up in avengers during the confusing celestial madonna arc & in age of ultron vs zombies battleworld comic & the marvels--but I'd like to read more stuff where he's actually the main character so if you know any comics where he is or where he's really expanded upon lmk!!

I love Jim Hammond so much!!!

So I made this reading list back in 2019:

and when I have time I will do a more updated one but Jim really hasn't been in anything beyond Iron Man (2020) issues # 9, 12 - 13, 16-18 (set right after invaders 2019) and the current Namor: Conquered Shores (2022), but I really really rec that people read Marvel (2020) #6 for a short Jim & Silver Surfer comic, it always makes me sad! Anyways enjoy the comics!

[froggynelson]

THE FOGGY APPEARANCES MASTERPOST

So I decided, after literal years of relying on places like the marvel wiki and comicvine to look for and double check Foggy Nelson's appearances throughout the marvel universe, to go and make a comprehensive list of his appearances outside of the main Daredevil title, counting Daredevil limited series and one off stories, along with cameos and alternate universes. The intention was to streamline the process for myself so i dont have to scour through pages and pages every time I wanna remember which comic that one thing happened, but hey, why not make the process of finding comics easier for people who aren't as deranged as I am? So here I made this post, from a real Fog-head to other Fog-heads out there, listing every issue outside of the Daredevil title (as it is more straightforward to find him, and extremely long to type on this list) he appears in, from barely there cameos to central roles, sorted by whether they are set in Earth 616 or not, and in no particular order. This is simply a list to serve as a guide to find him, it is not a curated list so the quality varies wildly, but I hope you're all as curious as I was to find all the most obscure and niche Foggies out there. Enjoy :)

EDIT 1: The original post had been published without one of my alterations to the draft saving, so if you reblogged it without this edit, the list was missing 14 titles.

616:

Daredevil (1964) Annuals: #1, #2, #3, #4, #8, #9

Daredevil (1998) Annuals: #1

Daredevil: Yellow: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6

Daredevil: Redemption: #1, #6

Marvel Graphic Novel: #24 (Daredevil: Love and war)

Daredevil: Cage Match: #1

Daredevil: Man Without Fear (2019): #1, #2, #5

Daredevil: Dark Nights: #3

Shadowland: #5

Shadowland: After the Fall: #1

Black Panther: Man Without Fear: #513, #521, #522

Daredevil vs Punisher: #2

Daredevil/Spider-Man: #2, #3, #4

Punisher Kill Krew: #2, #3, #4, #5

Daredevil: Battlin' Jack Murdock: #2

Daredevil: Blood of the Tarantula: #1

Daredevil: Reborn: #3, #4

Daredevil: Father: #1, #2, #5, #6

Daredevil/Deadpool: Annual '97

Devil's Reign: #3, #4

Devil's Reign Omega: #1

Elektra Lives Again: #1

Dark Reign: Elektra: #2

Uncanny Origins: #13

Power Man and Iron Fist (1978): #77

The Amazing Spider-Man (1963): #16, #42, #43, #65, #218, #429, #438

Spectacular Spider-Man (1978): #240, #242, #250

Spider-Man (1990): #75

Spider-Man Unlimited (1993): #13

Spider-Man/Kingpin: To the Death: #1

Untold Tales of Spider-Man: Annual '97

Uncanny X-Men (1963): #46

The New Warriors: #21, #23, #24, #25

Marvels: #2

Captain Universe: Daredevil

White Tiger: #1

Marvel Fanfare (1982): #1, #27

Marvel Team-up (1972): #25, #107, #141

Marvel Team-up (2004): #9

Marvel Two in one (1974): #37, #38, #78

Marvel Age: Annual #1

Avengers (1998): #26

New Avengers (2005): #1, #2, #3

Iron Man (1968): #35, #327, #328

Iron Man (1998): #1

Captain America (1968): #234

The Incredible Hulk (1968): #153

Superior Iron Man: #3

Ka-Zar (1997): #15, #17

Over the Edge: #6, #10

Silver Sable and the Wild Pack: #23, #28

Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History: #6

Onslaught: Marvel Universe: #1

X-Man: #21

Fantastic Four (1961): Annual #3

Fantastic Four (1998): #35, #47, #48

Fantastic Four: The Wedding Special 2006: #1

Thunderstrike (1993): #16

Spider-Man/Black Cat: #4

The Marvel Saga: #1, #13

The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Daredevil 2004: #1

Marvel Encyclopedia: #5

The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Update '89: #5

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z: #8

OTHER UNIVERSES:

Daredevil Noir: #1, #3, #4

Daredevil: End of days: #1, #5, #8

Daredevil: Man Without Fear (1992): #2, #3, #4, #5

Daredevil: Season One (2012): #1

Spider Gwen (2015, vol. 1): #1

Spider Gwen (2015, vol 2): #9, #20, #21, #22, #24, #27, #33

Powerless: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5

Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra: #1, #2, #3, #4

Ultimate Elektra: #1, #2

Ultimate Spider-Man (2000): #109, Annual #2

Survive!: #1

The Ultimates 2: #3

Spidey Super Stories: #43, #50

Marvel Adventures Super Heroes: #9

Marvel Age Spider-Man: #15

Not Brand Echh (1967): #2, #4, #9

What the--?!: #3, #11

Peter Porker, The Spectacular Spider-Ham: #7

Marvel Hostess ads vol.1 #7

Secret Wars, too: #1

Secret Wars: Secret love: #1

Dark Ages: #2

Marvel Knights: 20th: #1

Marvel Nemesis: The Imperfects: #2

Avengers Halloween Special: #1

Contest of Champions (2015): #4

1602: #1

1872: #2

Paradise X: #10

Marvels X: #2

What if? Daredevil: #1

What if? Daredevil vs Elektra: #1

What if Karen Page had lived?: #1

What if? (1977): #8, #35, #38

What if...? (1989): #26, #73, #89, #102, #105

Spider Girl: #0, #17, #63, #74, #82, #85

Spider-Man: Chapter One: #9

Mutant X: Annual #3

Daredevil/Batman: #1

Daredevil/Shi: #1

Daredevil: The Movie Adaptation: #1

Sins of Sinister: #1

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Lady Dorma Comic Reading Guide

First appearing in Marvel Comics (1939) #1 Lady Dorma is Atlantis’s most beloved Atlantean Noble Woman, Namor’s true love, and his greatest loss. Her love for Prince Namor is no secret yet Dorma’s passions sometimes misguide her but in the end her courage, quick wit, and heart give her strength to save her people and her true love. Read all about one of Marvel’s first ladies!

Golden Age

Marvel Comics (1939) #1

Marvel Mystery Comics (1939) #10-15

Human Torch (1940) #3

Marvel Mystery Comics (1939) #24-25

Sub-Mariner Comics (1941) #32

Young Men (1950) #28

Silver Age

Fantastic Four(1961) Annual 1,#33

Daredevil(1964) #7

Tales to Astonish #70-77,79-81

Tales of Suspense #79

Tales to Astonish #83-98,101

The Sub-Mariner(1968) #2-9,11,15

Incredible Hulk(1968) #118

The Sub-Mariner(1968) #16-18,20-25,27-29

Fantastic Four(1961) #103-104

The Sub-Mariner(1968) #31,33-38

Bronze Age

The Defenders(1972) #93

The New Mutants(1983) Annual 5

Modern Age

Saga of the Sub-Mariner(1988) #2,5,7,9-10

Namor, the Sub-Mariner ( 1990) #13-15,19-21

Fantastic Four Unlimited (1993) #6

Hulk (2008) #10

Fantastic Four (1961) #569

King in Black: Namor (2020) #1-5

[heckyeahfantasticfour]

Fantastic Four (1961) #13, published April 1963

[pierre-reads-comics]

Fantastic Four (1961) #13 — Stan Lee, Jack Kirby

Bit surreal for me to read this and realize, "Oh, yeah, these comics were being published before we landed on the Moon in 1969."

OK, trying to reconcile the fact that the Fantastic Four kept that flying saucer capable of traveling across the universe at light speed, it's possible that Reed didn't want to take the easy way out and reverse-engineer it and wanted to figure out proper and efficient space travel himself.

As for Reed not wanting the rest of them to go with him, I can easily see him still guilty of the last time he convinced them all to go into a rocket.

[magnetfamily]

Can you give me a Pietro maximoff reading list? It’s hard trying to track all the issues down lol

Quicksilver Reading Guide

Essential Issues/Solo Comics/Events

Uncanny X-Men (1963) #4

Avengers Origins (2011) The Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Fantastic Four (1961) #150 - The Wedding of Pietro & Crystal

Fantastic Four (1961) #240 - The Birth of Luna Maximoff

X-Factor (1986) #87

Quicksilver (1997) - 13 Issues

House of M (2005)

Son of M (2005) - 6 Issues

X-Factor: The Quick & The Dead (2008)

All New X-Factor (2014)

Quicksilver: No Surrender (2018) - 5 Issues

Chronological Order

Uncanny X-Men (1963) #4-7, 11, 27, 43-45

Avengers (1963) #16, 30, 36, 43, 49, 53, 75-76, 99, 102, 104, Annual #15

Fantastic Four (1961) #131-132, 150

Inhumans (1975) #3-7

Avengers (1963) #170, 175, 181-183, 185-188

Vision & The Scarlet Witch (1982) #4, 10

Fantastic Four (1961) #304-306, Annual #21

West Coast Avengers (1989) #56-57, 60-62, 69

X-Factor (1986) #87-95, 104, 229, Annual 2

X-Men (1993) #25, 57, 59, 111

Bloodties (1993)

Avengers (1963) #372

Uncanny X-Men (1963) #337-338

Seige of Wundagore (1998)

Magneto Rex (1999)

Magneto: Dark Seduction (2000)

Avengers (1998) #36-48, 52, 55, 58

Silent War (2007)

X-Factor (2006) #8-13, 17-23, 29

The Mighty Avengers (2007) #21-36

Avengers Academy (2010)

Avengers: The Children's Crusade (2010)

All New X-Factor (2014)

Avengers Millennium (2015)

Uncanny Avengers (2015)

X-Men Legends (2021) #5

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Penguin Classics Marvel Collection Releases on June 14, 2022

The Penguin Classics Marvel Collection Editions are “carefully curated comic book anthologies” of the “original stories and seminal tales of key Marvel characters, and serve as a testament to Marvel’s transformative impact on the fantasy genre and across popular culture.” (Marvel Comics)

The Amazing Spider-Man - Penguin Classics Marvel Collection Edition collects 12 stories from 1962-1964: “Spider-Man!” from Amazing Fantasy (1962) #15, The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #1-4, #9, #10, #13, #14, and #17-19, “Goodbye to Linda Brown” from Strange Tales (1962) #97, and “How Stan Lee and Steve Ditko Create Spider-Man!” from The Amazing Spider-Man Annual (1964) #1. The collection includes a foreword by Jason Reynolds and scholarly introductions and apparatus by Ben Saunders.

Black Panther - Penguin Classics Marvel Collection Edition includes Black Panther’s 1966 origin story and 1970s entire “Panther’s Rage” storyline from Fantastic Four (1961) #52-53 and Jungle Action (1972) #6-21. The collection includes a foreword by Nnedi Okorafor, a scholarly introduction and apparatus by Qiana J. Whitted, and a general series introduction by Ben Saunders.

Captain America - Penguin Classics Marvel Collection Edition includes Captain America’s first appearances in 1941 and key examples of his solo stories of the 60s from Captain America Comics (1941) #1, Tales of Suspense (1959) #59, #63-68, #75-81, #92-95, and #110-113, and “Captain America...Commie Smasher” from Captain America (1941) #78. The collection includes a foreword by Gene Luen Yang and scholarly introductions and apparatus by Ben Saunders.

The Penguin Classics Marvel Collection Editions of Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Captain America go on sale on June 14, 2022.

(Image via Marvel Comics)

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The list of my all time favorite movies: Continuously updated... 🎬✨

(500) Days of Summer- (500) giorni insieme

13 Going On 30- 30 anni in un secondo

2night

9½ Weeks- 9 settimane e mezzo

A Good Year- Un'ottima annata

A Little Princess- La piccola principessa

A Monster Calls

A Walk on the Moon- Complice la luna

Addicted to Love- Innamorati cronici

After

Aladdin (1992) + (2019)

American Gigolo

Anastasia

Anna and the King

Anna Karenina

Antz- Z la formica

Aquamarine

At First Sight- A prima vista

Balto

Barbie

Beauty and the Beast- La bella e la bestia (1991) + (2017)

Bedknobs and Broomsticks- Pomi d'ottone e manici di scopa

Belle et Sebastien

Before Sunrise- Prima dell'alba

Before Sunset- Prima del tramonto

Before We Go

Begin Again- Tutto può cambiare

Blade Runner + Blade Runner 2049

Boys Don't Cry

Breakfast at Tiffany's- Colazione da Tiffany

Breathe In

Breathless (1983)- All'ultimo respiro

Bridge to Terabithia- Un ponte per Therabitia

Call Me By Your Name- Chiamami col tuo nome

Captain Fantastic

Casper

Chemical Hearts- I nostri cuori chimici

Chicken Run- Galline in fuga

Chocolat

Cinderella (1950)- Cenerentola

Cold Mountain- Ritorno a Cold Mountain

Colette

Conte d'été- Racconto d'estate

Corrina, Corrina- Una moglie per papà

Damage- Il danno

Dead Poets Society- L'attimo fuggente

Death Becomes Her- La morte ti fa bella

Desert Hearts

Deux Moi- Someone Somewhere

Diabolik

Dirty Dancing

Divergent

Driving Miss Daisy- A spasso con Daisy

Dune (2021)

Eiffel

Elemental

Enchanted- Come d'incanto

Equals

Equilibrium

Ex Machina

Far and Away- Cuori ribelli

Far from the Madding Crowd (2015)- Via dalla pazza folla

Finding your feet- Ricomincio da noi

Five Feet Apart- A un metro da te

Footloose (1984)

Four Weddings and a Funeral- Quattro matrimoni e un funerale

Gifted- Il dono del talento

Gladiator- Il gladiatore

Hitch- Lui sì che capisce le donne

Home Alone- Mamma ho perso l'aereo

Hors De Prix (Priceless)- Ti va di pagare?

How to Make an American Quilt- Gli anni dei ricordi

Hugo- Hugo Cabret

Hysteria

Imagine Me & You

In the Land of Women- Il bacio che aspettavo

In Time

Inside Out

Into the Blue

Jeune et Jolie- Giovane e Bella

K-PAX

L'amant (1992)

L'amant double

La Boum

La prima notte di quiete

La vie d'Adèle

Ladies in Lavender

Lady and the Tramp (1955) + (2019)

Ladyhawke

Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain

Le Hérisson

Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events

Like Crazy

Little Women (1994)

Lost in Translation

Love and Other Drugs

Love, Rosie

Loving Vincent

Mal de pierres

Mars Attacks!

Matilda (1996)

Matrix

Mia and the White Lion

Midnight in Paris

Mon Inconnue

Mona Lisa Smile

Mrs. Doubtfire

Mulan (1998)

Must Love Dogs

Mystic Pizza

Notting Hill

One Fine Day

One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961)

Only You

Perfect Sense

Peter Pan (2003)

Point Break

Pretty Woman

Pride & Prejudice (2005)

Ratatouille

Reality Bites

Remi (2018)

Roman Holiday (1953)

Romanzo Criminale

Sabrina (1954)

Saturday Night Fever

Scent of a Woman

Shame

Shrek + Shrek 2

Sing Street

Sixteen Candles

Sleeping Beauty (1959)

Slumdog Millionaire

Something's Gotta Give

Soul

Stealing Beauty

Suffragette

Suite française

Sweet November

Swing Kids

The Age of Innocence

The Aristocats

The Art of Getting By

The Book of Eli

The Breakfast Club

The Danish Girl

The Devil Wears Prada

The Dreamers

The Edge of Love

The Fifth Element

The Holiday

The Hundred-Foot Journey

The Island

The Jungle Book (1967)

The Last of the Mohicans

The Light Between Oceans

The Little Mermaid (1989)

The Map of Tiny Perfect Things

The Miseducation of Cameron Post

The Notebook

The Perfect Date

The Portrait of a Lady

The Shawshank Redemption

The Sleeping Dictionary

The Truman Show

The Warriors

The Wedding Date

The Women

Titanic

Tokyo Fiancée

Troy

Tuck Everlasting

Un Amour de Jeunesse

Un cœur en hiver

Undine

Unfaithful

Waterworld

When Harry Met Sally...

White Palace

Witness

Wonder

Words on Bathroom Walls

Yes Man

You've Got Mail

Zoe (2018)

[imperiuswrecked]

Has there ever been an instance where Namor befriended an octopus? Or even a colossal squid?

Not to my knowledge. The Aquatic creatures/sea life in Marvel Comics are different than those in DC comics. In Marvel they don't speak, don't have human characteristics, and Namor doesn't befriend fish/mammals like Aquman does where he speaks to them.

Namor has a mild form of telepathy/control over sea life. I often see it as he can suggest his will over them but can't totally control them, of course some writers take it further where he does have total control over them, however these creatures minds don't have human like minds. Namor does play with the sea creatures though.

Fantastic Four (1961) #6

If the Aquatic Creatures aren't just normal creatures then usually they are monstrous, but their intelligence/ability to speak to people are varied. Some are like Giganto, where it's just a dumb beast.

Fantastic Four (1961) #4

One octopus creature Namor fought is Gargantos (this creature is rumored to appear in Doctor Strange 2) The Sub-Mariner (1968) #13

Others have more intelligence and had the ability to speak like The Octopus-Men in Atlas Comics, The Human Torch (1940) #38

Usually these days Namor is wrangling massive sea beasts to make sure they and the humans are safe.

Amazing Spider-Man: Renew your Vows (2017) #19

Thor the Mighty Avenger (2010) #5

Krakens are usually just giant sea monsters in Marvel.