#fandom problem 5461

[damnfandomproblems]

Fandom Problem #5461:

"Cishet" being used to insult or discredit someone in some way.

You can make fun of straight people all you want, but if you make fun of a LGBTQ+ person, you're homophobic. Yet if you use the term cisphobic, you're immature, overreacting, a toxic person, pretentious, not oppressed, a fake fan of X fandom—

How about we DON'T make fun of people based on their sexuality?

[ao3feed-harleypeter]

by SmolTownFangirl

“Okay,” he said slowly, ignoring Peter as a whole, “What’s up?”

Abbie bit her lip, “I need you to come tour Europe with me.”

“What-”

(Abbie is the queen of avoiding problems, Harley and Peter are straight up not having a good time, and europe is wonderful when you aren't in crisis about what the FUCK is going on.)

Words: 5461, Chapters: 1/6, Language: English

Series: Part 4 of First Name Harley

Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, Iron Man (Movies), Spider-Man (Tom Holland Movies)

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/F, M/M

Characters: Harley Keener, Harley Keener's Sister, Abbie Keener, Peter Parker, Lila Barton, Tony Stark, Miles Morales, Harry Osborn, Pepper Potts, Michelle Jones, Shuri

Relationships: Harley Keener/Peter Parker, Lila Barton/Harley Keener's Sister, Ganke Lee/Miles Morales, (mentioned) - Relationship, Harley Keener & Harley Keener's Sister, Harley Keener & Tony Stark, Harley Keener's Sister & Tony Stark, Harley Keener & Harry Osborn, Harry Osborn & Peter Parker, Harley Keener's Sister & Miles Morales

Additional Tags: A little bit of angst in my life, A little bit of fluff by my sid e, a little bit of pinning in the air, a little bit of FAILING MARRIAGE and i've had my share, sksksks, its baaack, thats right boys, i finally upsated this series, Angst, Mentioned Terminal illness, Maybe Character death? Maybe not? We shall see., Keener Kids, Listen they need each other sometimes, Marital Issues, Yikes, I;m not having a good time, please like this fic, i will cry, TW: Cancer Mention

[ao3feed-mcufemslash]

Last Name Keener

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/37VnZIH

by SmolTownFangirl

“Okay,” he said slowly, ignoring Peter as a whole, “What’s up?”

Abbie bit her lip, “I need you to come tour Europe with me.”

“What-”

(Abbie is the queen of avoiding problems, Harley and Peter are straight up not having a good time, and europe is wonderful when you aren't in crisis about what the FUCK is going on.)

Words: 5461, Chapters: 1/6, Language: English

Series: Part 4 of First Name Harley

Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, Iron Man (Movies), Spider-Man (Tom Holland Movies)

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/F, M/M

Characters: Harley Keener, Harley Keener's Sister, Abbie Keener, Peter Parker, Lila Barton, Tony Stark, Miles Morales, Harry Osborn, Pepper Potts, Michelle Jones, Shuri

Relationships: Harley Keener/Peter Parker, Lila Barton/Harley Keener's Sister, Ganke Lee/Miles Morales, (mentioned) - Relationship, Harley Keener & Harley Keener's Sister, Harley Keener & Tony Stark, Harley Keener's Sister & Tony Stark, Harley Keener & Harry Osborn, Harry Osborn & Peter Parker, Harley Keener's Sister & Miles Morales

Additional Tags: A little bit of angst in my life, A little bit of fluff by my sid e, a little bit of pinning in the air, a little bit of FAILING MARRIAGE and i've had my share, sksksks, its baaack, thats right boys, i finally upsated this series, Angst, Mentioned Terminal illness, Maybe Character death? Maybe not? We shall see., Keener Kids, Listen they need each other sometimes, Marital Issues, Yikes, I;m not having a good time, please like this fic, i will cry, TW: Cancer Mention

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/37VnZIH

[ao3feed-harleykeener]

by SmolTownFangirl

“Okay,” he said slowly, ignoring Peter as a whole, “What’s up?”

Abbie bit her lip, “I need you to come tour Europe with me.”

“What-”

(Abbie is the queen of avoiding problems, Harley and Peter are straight up not having a good time, and europe is wonderful when you aren't in crisis about what the FUCK is going on.)

Words: 5461, Chapters: 1/6, Language: English

Series: Part 4 of First Name Harley

Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, Iron Man (Movies), Spider-Man (Tom Holland Movies)

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/F, M/M

Characters: Harley Keener, Harley Keener's Sister, Abbie Keener, Peter Parker, Lila Barton, Tony Stark, Miles Morales, Harry Osborn, Pepper Potts, Michelle Jones, Shuri

Relationships: Harley Keener/Peter Parker, Lila Barton/Harley Keener's Sister, Ganke Lee/Miles Morales, (mentioned) - Relationship, Harley Keener & Harley Keener's Sister, Harley Keener & Tony Stark, Harley Keener's Sister & Tony Stark, Harley Keener & Harry Osborn, Harry Osborn & Peter Parker, Harley Keener's Sister & Miles Morales

Additional Tags: A little bit of angst in my life, A little bit of fluff by my sid e, a little bit of pinning in the air, a little bit of FAILING MARRIAGE and i've had my share, sksksks, its baaack, thats right boys, i finally upsated this series, Angst, Mentioned Terminal illness, Maybe Character death? Maybe not? We shall see., Keener Kids, Listen they need each other sometimes, Marital Issues, Yikes, I;m not having a good time, please like this fic, i will cry, TW: Cancer Mention

[damnfandomproblems]

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"are you seriously equating making fun of a marginalized group to making fun of like, idk gender reveal parties or whatever people in your fandom make fun of cishets for doing? Like I don't mock people based on their sexuality but tell me that you do understand the difference between someone making fun of a marginalized group with a high suicide rate and someone poking fun at straight people.(Also, for the folks making racism comparisons: I'm white and when people make white people jokes about like, white people love avocado toast! White people love yoga and saying buddy! or whatever, 1) I don't mind 2) that's much different than a white person making fun of say, Black people.)"

As a poc, and specifically a queer (cisbi) native american (tlingit) who grew up around cishet white people, when it comes to online and fannish spaces I have noticed that people tend to cross the line from making harmless fun to just straight up expressing and encouraging hatred

While this is definitely a minority of people who believe and act out on these beliefs, there is a problem of people truly believing that cishet white people are all genuinely evil and inherently evil at that, and that the only way to "fix" (cleanse) the world of all problems would to be committed genocide in fandom spaces. They immediately assume the worse and dehumanize and rejected similarities they may share with cishet white people. It's absolutely prejudice and need to not only be called out, but utterly tossed in the bin

I get feeling uncomfortable or even wary of people who appart of the same kind of people who have oppressed you because you are not sure if they too have been indoctrinated into the bigotry, but we live in the modern era, more often then not you'll find that most cishet white people just don't care about poc and queer stuff

Cishet whites aren't responsible for crimes they weren't even alive for, that their ancestors committed. They are far more often ignorant because the education system is shit and has a lot racism/ableism/etc baked into foundation ontop of not really being how to do own research, then they are intentionally malicious and bigoted, and the best way to prevent them from being indoctrinated into bigotry is to just, expose them queers and poc who are chill with them and are willing to educate. Insulting them and assuming they want to hurt minorities just because they're cishet whites is the best way to push them into radical hands that will instead pain queers and poc as the ones who just want to hurt others for being cishet whites, because "obviously" why else would they immediately assume you want hurt them unless they want to hurt you?

Hating anyone for things they cannot control (race, gender, sexuality, etcetera) only breeds more hate. Yeah, don't tolerating bigots, but if genuinely can't stand a certain demographic of people ignore them rather then going out of your way to hate them. Educate if you can, or shut up when talking to people who haven't don't anything to you beyond offend your sensibly for committing the crime of being born a certain way, because otherwise you're just feeding into the genuinely malicious and bigoted peoples hands and making it easier for them to take the ignorant and make them malicious too

Hatred at the end of the day is hatred, sure, it might not be the racist or homophobic flavor of hatred, but it's still hatered. And no one should hate anyone, at least not for the things they can't control (because fuck pedos/rape-philies in general and murders and genuine racists of course, they can all go get shot, don't get me wrong and twist my words like I know some of y'all are just dying to do)

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

[damnfandomproblems]

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"Hatred at the end of the day is hatred, sure, it might not be the racist or homophobic flavor of hatred, but it's still hatered. And no one should hate anyone, at least not for the things they can't control (because fuck pedos/rape-philies in general and murders and genuine racists of course, they can all go get shot, don't get me wrong and twist my words like I know some of y'all are just dying to do)"

I could let this go, but I love analyzing rhetoric. Anyway:

First of all, knowing what people are like nowadays, I feel like you might not know what pedo actually means and thinks it applies to fictional characters. Or you heard that it's bad from others and never looked up what it actually is. Even then I think it's weird when people use it casually like this because it feels like they're making it a bigger issue than it is. Yes, actual child molesters are criminals. Yes, it's a serious crime. More serious than murder? I think that's up to personal opinion. Is it way more widespread than murder? I don't know the statistics, but I don't think so from casually looking at the news daily. Y'all are making everything and everyone out to be pedos. "It's everywhere!! Everyone you pass on the street is one!!" (Satanic panic round 2). Y'all default to that even in situations where this no evidence of it and other explanations are more likely. That's...concerning. Why the obsession? The way you worded this makes me kinda believe it's just pointless virtue signaling like it almost always is. I never get the impression it's really about protecting people/victims. Always feels like an ego thing.

Lastly, don't genuinely wish death on people. Ever heard of "self-fulfilling prophecy"? You assume these people are the worst of the worst. If others do as well and no one gives them a chance, why should they try? Even if they change, people will still assume things, so why should they try to be good. People think they're evil then they might as well live up to those people's expectations, trying is hard nothing will change after all. And for racists/bigots/ect, you're giving them ammunition, "this person wants me dead! All I'm doing is defending myself!". You're just validating their bigotry in their mind. They don't think highly of you and to them, you saying these things are proving them right.

Y'all're trying to bring back the witch trials. Do y'all know how many people died? How many of them were most likely innocent? But because someone had a grudge against someone else's lover, was jealous of their neighbors' cows, someone walked into them but didn't apologize, or they just wanted to join in, because of petty things like that, so many people needlessly died. And as harsh as this sounds, if it happens again, you won't be safe. Someone will accuse you even if they make up a reason. You'll be found guilty because people are blinded by fear. You don't want to open those floodgates because you'll go down same as everyone else. You and the other people saying things like this are not exempt from harm. If you allow people to hurt others you'll get hurt too no matter which side you're on.

Tl:dr: I can't believe saying maybe we should try to be kind is controversial nowadays.

Posting as a response to a previous ask.

[damnfandomproblems]

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This feels either like some kind of trojan horse "hate within acceptance" rhetoric. Or op must be really blind to not understand what they said at the end is totally bewildering, but maybe that's par for the course for tumblr, thinking you're progressive than putting foot in mouth that badly without realising it

Posting as a response to a previous ask.

[damnfandomproblems]

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Reading this ask is like watching someone run an incredible race on the track but then trip right before the finish line.

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