#facts timelines receipts PROOF

[sailingfireshipz]

Alright! Yall said, "Let it rip so you know the drill! Grab yourself a little snacky snack & let's unpack this shit.

I find it funny how people are trying to misconstrue the problem that we have with the way Pascal is acting & treating Stella. No one has said Stella was right in the manner in which she approached him in episode 1. Hell Kelly called her out on it & Stella herself admitted it. My issue lies in the fact that regardless of episode 1, it appears that Pascal has given his other LTs a level of grace & understanding that he is not giving Stella. So I genuinely want to know why. And if episode 1 is his why, then it goes back to what I said preseason about Stella's mistakes (minor compared to those of others, her husband included) following her. Stella being held to different standards & expectations than her male peers.

If episode 1 is not his reason then I'm left to assume & those assumptions lead me to facts that are rooted in systemic misogyny, racism & sexism.

1. Stella is the only female WOC LT at Firehouse 51.

2. Stella is a younger LT compared to what the CFD is accustomed to seeing per the chief comments in 9x03

2a. Also let's keep in mind the conversation she had with Carver in 11x01. When Stella came home she told Kelly that when she told Carver she got support from DC Hill & his response was "that makes sense" as if she was incapable of earning the shit on her own accord or merrit but implying Stella got a leg up because she was a WOC. Are we forgetting how Stella even met DC Hill? DC Hill came to 51 looking for the FIREFIGHTER that got control of the rig & prevented an accident with civilians. That firefighter was Stella Freaking Kidd.

3. Maybe Pascal thinks less of Stella because she's married/dated a coworker. He could have the same perception that "she slept her way to top"that was expressed in 9x03.

Some observations that I'd like to consider as we unpack his behavior.

1. Pascal brought up turnover on truck yet didn't have the wherewithal to look at the files of the firefighters who transferred out? We've seen that every time someone transfers out, there's a transfer slip that has to be completed. He would have seen Mason & Gallo didn't get transferred to another house within the CFD. He would have saw that they literally are in different STATES still firefighting. I honestly don't know what Gibsons would have said but it would have shown that only one of her FFs that was under her command is no longer on the job.

2. Why was Pascal so QUICK to believe Damon's (White male) word & opinion of Stella over Stella's request to put him back in the floater pool? Stella has been at 51 as a firefighter & LT LONGER than Damon has been a fucking firefighter! So you mean to tell me you're about to strip a LT who has received the firefighter award for valor based off the word of a firefighter who came to 51 as a floater & per Kelly in 13x04 relatively fresh out the academy!? Yall see how insane that sounds right?

3. The only reason Pascal changed his tune on Stella in 13x03 was after Mouch brought him her files/records. So my next question is, why did it take another white male to help sway him? I'm not saying he had to take Stella's word outright but it's the fact that he absolutely SHUT her down & redirected the blame back on her & her "lack of leadership" without investigating the facts. He claims to be all about rules & protocols yet failed to effectively do his research on the situation prior to going to Mouch & asking if he'd be ready to take the LT exam if he needed him...? Huuuuuuh?? I love Mouch, but someone point me to the major save or rescue he did this season so far to "prove himself" to Pascal.... oh wait, he hasn't had one, but you know who has... more on that later.

4. So after Mouch literally saves the night because he himself felt it necessary to go to this man's house off shift at night to bring him her records. Pascal does the right thing & tells Stella to make sure the next replacement on 81 sticks. So what does Stella do!? Does she drag her feet? Does she ignore his orders? Nope she gets right on it. She knew who she wanted but was STILL vetting other candidates because she wanted to make the best informed decision. Yet Pascal was at her neck again saying she was overthinking it. It had been 2-3 shifts MAX. It seems like Stella is showcasing leadership skills that Pascal should be because good leaders don't make important decisions lightly or without all the facts. They research they do their homework they vet out the low hanging fruit to ensure the best decision is made for the betterment of the house.

5. Hermann overheard Pascal & out of HIS mouth, he said Pascal had Stella so stressed out that if she didn't find a replacement for truck, he'd have her bugles. So again, that's not us making the shit up it's quite literally implied in the dialogue that clearly people are picking up the energy & animosity Pascal has towards her. So again, I'm asking where the professionalism is, or is Stella the only one required to be professional?

6. So now I want to talk about Kelly & Pascals interaction in 13x05. It honestly felt like Pascal said that shit to Kelly to see if Kelly would react. We watched Pascal go to LT Vales house & physically assault him for a conversation Vale had with Monica... so clearly he's very protective of his wife so why would he think Kelly would be the person to call Stella an asshole to? That shit was so uncalled for & CHILDISH because if Kelly had punched him in the fucking stomach then what?

At the end of the day before Kelly is Stella's husband he is her peer when they are on shift so again why are you talking shit about one of your direct reports to another direct report?

It sort of felt like a powerplay because Pascal has already brought up to Kelly about him & Stella working together & that he'd be keeping an eye on them. Then he goes & makes that comment knowing that Kelly probably won't respond to it out of fear that he'll throw them being married in his face again if he defends her.

So what we're not about to do is try to normalize or justify Pascals behavior based on the argument that "Stella shouldn't have mouthed off or challenged him." Because honestly, we've seen Kelly & Casey go head to head with Boden & other chiefs, commissioners, etc. when they felt passionately about something (right, wrong, indifferent, they've done it). Not saying what Stella did was right or absolving her from accountability but we're not about to act like she yelled at him & told him to go fuck off! She should've handled herself differently but she shouldn't have to continue to bear the brunt of his twisted ass power plays or whatever the hell he's power tripping on.

He doesn't have to like her & as far as I'm concerned she doesn't have to like him but hell bare minimum he needs to start acting like Battalion Chief with 20+ years on the job versus a petty ass manchild who's mad the girl on the playground embarrassed him in front of his friends.

And I don't want to hear about "Stella hasn't been challenged or Boden let her get away with blah blah or Boden didnt make her "prove" herself & that maybe if she "proves" herself he'll give her a break.

Hard stop, NO! Kelly hasn't had to prove himself. Hermann hasn't had to prove himself. So WHY TF would Stella have to "prove" herself to this man? Like i mentioned before, the playing field needs to be fair across the board for all of them. If anything, Stella has proven herself because she's the one who pulled Damon out of that collapsed sign. She's the one who saw Ritter laying there & still gave clear, concise direction to her truck company (instead of getting all emotional like they think women are going to act in times of crisis 🙄) She took the case in 13x05 & ran with it. Kelly was with her in one scene investigating those crashes. After that, Stella was the one making house calls & following up. Yet at the end of the episode, they had Kelly debriefing the chief on the outcome of the case & not Stella... WHY? At minimum, Stella should have been there & they could have used it as a moment to have them move forward. Instead, they used it as a way to have him add fuel to the fire with that backhanded compliment laced in disrespect by saying she's a pain in the ass & i don't know why!?

Do i think Pascal is a racist, misogynistic, sexist POS sent to uphold the CREEKY views of the CFD? Idk 🤷‍♀️ but what i do know is if it walks, if it talks if it looks then it just might fit. Because there's a clear distinction in how he has handled Stella over the last 4 episodes versus everyone else. & if he's none of those things & he's still just hurt over being challenged by her in episode 1, then I say this with care, but it's time to build a bridge & get over it because I'm tired.

So, in conclusion..... Dom Pascal

When you're referring to anyone at 51 but especially Stella Kidd. 😌

[grntaire]

genuinely baffled by people saying the s2 finale undid the whole show and that the pacing was off. imo that’s sort of the point? daniel waited until louis got to tell his story to confront them with the facts and lies he’d found, and it all went to shit in minutes. because that’s what lying and manipulating does: when a relationship is built on bullshit, it falls apart in minutes. and when your human bestie of the month goes all receipts proof timeline screenshots on you to show how shitty your rebound partner of 77 years has been since the start? it ends in an instant.

[gossipgirloff1]

Yes you came through with receipts. Nice. More people need to realise what a horrible person Kelly Piquet is. Besides these instances she was also xenophobic making fun of the Chinese during covid. She disrespected Jewish Holocaust monuments when she was sitting on them for an Instagram post. Her timeline since when she knows Max is also problematic. She said herself in a video interview for her bought for Vogue cover she had a magical night with Max when she first met him in 2016. He was 18 years old and she 27. The interviewer was so uncomfortable that she made Kelly stop talking about it. If that's what she's willing to say who knows what the truth is. The Piquets have known the Verstappens for a decade. Max is close friends with her brother and cousin for a long time. Long before 2016. She wanted their relationship to be known and had an alternative account named Serendipity to reveal it on Instagram. When fans found out she would harass them. She has a fan chat for years with her biggest supporters that when it started they were between 11 to 15 years old. There's proof of these chats online besides the fact they are more than happy to talk and reveal on their fanpages how they talk to Kelly and how old they are. There's no reason for any adult to be in conversation with children that are not related to you. These children have created the "Kelly army" and harass, doxx and suspend anybody that don't worship their queen like they do. There was a popular Max fanpage with 70.000 followers. She only posted Max. They did not like it and tried to hack and mass reported the account several times until it was finally suspended last year. That account never posted anything negative about Kelly like gossip accounts. The only thing they did is NOT post her on her Max fanpage. Kelly is also known to block people and accounts from Max own instagram. And send messages through her own alt accounts to threaten to sue anybody who doesn't warship her. There's proof of all this online.

Unfortunately the memory of the general public is that of a fruit fly and she always gets away with everything after a short social media break by posting Max and P content.

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[theperezhilton]

I said what I said, I'm doubling down and sharing FACTS! Receipts! Proof! Timeline! Screenshots! On my @PerezHilton YouTube show today... Jennifer Lopez - SAD In Italy! Prince William Exposes Himself! Travis Kelce Proposing To Taylor Swift? Poor Katy Perry! And More! Watch HERE: https://youtu.be/MGPMqE7Jjvw

[rockanroller]

The WGA strike didn’t affect Hazbin period because none of the ‘writers’ on that show are part of the union. They also aren’t real writers. Not to mention A24 was explicitly not affected by the strike because the studio is already good to its workers and therefore exempt. The strike only affected major Hollywood studios and networks like Fox, CBS, Disney, Warner Bros., etc. Viv trying to claim that the strike had any impact on Hazbin is absolute BS.

look anon, all i wanted to do was put together a post of the cold facts we know and speculate to my best knowledge with a timeline. all i found was that the timeline fits but that it is a little suspiciously snug and could still be coincidental and i acknowledged that.

even if it did turn out the strikes were the cause of the delay, it won’t be the end of the world. it doesn’t mean viv is a saint and it doesn���t mean she couldn’t have caused problems during the production. EDIT: and we now know Viv said in a recent interview that the delay was due to them trying to find a distributer (streaming platform), and working out their arrangements with Prime. Masterpost has been updated with this information.

i don’t doubt a24 is a good studio, but being a good studio doesn’t mean you get a get outta jail free card by the union, you gotta agree to terms. and as i pointed out in the post i only was able to find sources on sag-aftra giving a24 a pass, not bc they’re a good studio, but bc they aren’t affiliated with amptp that sag-aftra was striking against and therefore were allowed to continue using their actors. i didn’t find enough to make a clear call on the relationship between the wga and a24.

i want to reassure you i am not trying to defend viv. i can acknowledge some things about her work but i dont have a high opinion of her and i highly suspect she caused problems somewhere on the production whether or not it was this year specifically.

i'm still looking for proof viv claimed the strikes were causing a delay bc some ppl have said she did, and i found proof where viv said even tho she could only speak for helluva that she felt it was "safe to say" the actor's strike would affect hazbin hotel. i do still think it's possible the strikes could've caused minor delays in addition to the specific delay viv noted in the interview. i just wanted to put all the specific facts out there and a timeline into a post for easy understanding of what we know for sure while providing some speculative insights in both directions.

if you have specific receipts for your claims i’d love to see them so i can include them in the post. especially if you have a receipt for viv claiming the strikes were to blame bc i’ve yet to see receipts for it. i don’t doubt it. just wanna know for sure.

i hear that you’re mad about this whole matter, i am too, but feelings aren’t facts.

[stormy-seasons]

... WHAT THE FRESH HELL, OTW. SERIOUSLY. PEOPLE RAISE FRANK CONCERNS, WITH PROOF AND RECEIPTS AND EVIDENCE AND TIMELINES. AND YOUR COLLECTIVE ORG RESPONSE IS 'NANANAANAN A YOU'RE LYING IT WAS NEVER LIKE THAT' AND *CRICKETS CHIRPING* WHEN IT COMES TO THE OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS?!

TO SAY NOTHING OF THE VERY CLEAR NEED FOR VERY CLEAR, INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF THAT YOU THE ORG COMPLY VERY VERY SPECIFICALLY WITH:

U S LAW IN THAT REGARD, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY SET THAT WAY TO ENSURE THAT WHAT EFFORTS CAN BE MADE TO REDUCE THE VOLUME OF THAT KIND OF ACTUAL HORRIFIC GARBAGE, ARE FOLLOWED THROUGH?

THIS IS NOT SOME CENSORSHIP LAW. THIS IS NOT FICTIONAL BLORBOS.

THIS IS, IN FACT, MAKING IT EXTREMELY HARD FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO DEFEND OR SUPPORT YOU BECAUSE LOOK WHAT ACTUAL, REAL LIFE ABUSIVE PROBLEM YOU HAVE HANDICAPPED YOUR OWN TRUST AND SAFETY / PAC COMMITTEE FROM EFFECTIVELY HANDLING, SUSPENDING, AND THEN ELIMINATING WHEN THE LEGALLY REQUIRED PERIOD TO HANG ONTO EVIDENCE IS UP.

[crsbysdot]

Watch "Mental Heath Awareness Month & YouTube" on YouTube

This was interesting, but I have a few points.

First of all, Sarah's Odd had been suspicious to me since she accused Chloe Quinn (an account that was calling out Steph; another story for another day) of being Kalista on a sock-account with no proof. She later went on to basically call Kalista an entire page out of the DSM5, and then tried to argue that she WASN'T being abelist.

Now, I don't like Kalista and I DO find it strange how fast certain people have seemingly welcomed her back into the fold after everything she did. But if we're going to sit here and try to act like we're so mental-health conscious, we had better not be doing things like using the DSM5 as an insult. Also, someone has shown proof of Sarah NOT reacting to someone on "our side" using the word "delusional". So there's that.

There are references in this stream to the timeline and how relevant it is, and I DO agree with that. But when one of hte key players (Sarah) dirty-deletes everything they post, establishing what that timeline actually is is difficult, if not impossible. According to the Designated Badguys, Sarah started hurling accusations that people were saying "delusional" as a coded reference to her son before they even knew anything about her son to mock him for. And I gotta say, part of why I'm so suspicious of Sarah is that when all this was going on, the "badguys" were showing more receipts than she was.

When you combine that with the fact-something B admitted to in this stream- that Sarah was probably not telling the truth about other things they were doing, it looks even worse for her. Marissa also admitted to having known, for who knows how long, that Sarah has falsely accused Apoc of blackmailing her as well. So is Sarah mentally ill or just dishonest, or both? Again, these anonymous troll accounts, as nasty as they might have been, were shwoing more proof than she was.

And to be clear, I'm NOT talking about any proof she even had a son. I'm talking about proof that they were mocking him BEFORE she started accusing them of doing so. I have yet to see that proof. And I do find it interesting that she didn't start in on the dirty-deleting, in earnest, until she started arguing with that Ebeggers guy, and she was accusing him of mocking her/her son, with that word, and not showing proof. If she started hurling unfounded accusations at people, with no proof, they could have started calling her "delusional" just because what she was saying made no sense, and then kept it up after she said how much it upset her, just to get under her skin.

And before we try and make a moral judgment on such behavior, we need to remember that 1, far too many people in the community DO have mental issues, and 2, people who are respected in the community (Steph) have uses terms and epithets related to mental illness as insults and comebacks themselves. Steph literally called Tyra "a few frechfries short of a happy meal" at one point, just to get Tyra's goat while antagonizing her in chat. She also questioned Shikago's brain development during a spat on Twitter and then proudly showed that Tweet on the next stream she did. So it's not just the Pigpen who are insensitive to mental health, and isn't just Sarah whose mental health has been mocked.

B at one point says that Sarah claimed some of these people had been sending her things, leaving stuff at her door or whatever, and B questions this because they supposedly don't even know who she is. And this would call Sarah's honesty into question. However, one of the few things the Wayback Machine (internet archive) managed to catch of her channel, is a community tab post where she shows a picture of two women, and confirms that this picture is herself and her mom... I believe Mrs Roadhog has a short video featuring that very same photo, and where would they have gotten that sh*t if either they didn't know who she was, or someone she sent it to and trusted hadn't leaked it to them?

Remember, Sarah admitted to sending family photos to a couple of people. How did Ma Hog get her family photos?

I think the argument being made on that side of the street, is that people like Marissa, had been using Sarah and what was supposedly happening to her, to justify doing certain things she already wanted to do. Such as outting Jugz and Blackwolf, threatening Rottie's Etsy store, etc. And we have to face facts. Someone mocking a woman's dead, mentally ill son... That pulls on the heartstrings. How many people would have gone to bat for Sarah had they known that her son was still alive, let alone what his situation actually was?

I think you can understand what I'm getting at here. If Marissa knew, before CE outted the information, that Sarah's son was alive, etc, and she perpetuated the idea that he was dead, then she was actively emotionally manipulating the community to get them on her side in the war she's had going with DCP, etc. And while I DON'T want to believe that Marissa is that sh*tty, she's been showing her *ss about other situations for quite a while now, and it doesn't paint the most flattering picture of her.

Someone attempted in this very livestream, to derail it by peen-boming B. Who do we know around here who'se been caught BRAGGING about doing such things in an attempt to get someone's channel taken down? And who do we know around here who in response to someone suggesting they call out their friend for behaving that way, declared that they were no longer covering anyone with fewer than 10k subs? I'm not saying I think Muzz is who peen-bombed B in this stream. What I'm saying is that Marissa has been behaving questionably.

Before people, in Steph's words, laid down to get run over, for Sarah, it would have been useful for those people to know that Sarah had falsely accused Apoc (or anyone for that matter) of blackmail and therefore her word wasn't entirely trustworthy. And Marissa knew about this, and said nothing, until Sarah started swinging at her.

[legalhelpindia]

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[twopoppies]

So I read the post about tellmeitsnotlove account and posts getting deleted and in your tags you said it was Sony. Can you expand on why you think that? This isn't just a Tumblr mistake? Why would Sony do this now in 2022. I've read about larries getting shut down during 1d days when they were actively being closeted and that makes sense. But now? Harry and his team continously put out larry things for us in the fandom or as part of marketing, however you look at it. Just in the last couple of days someone figured out about the Louis merch and Harry you are home doors lining up exactly. They want us talking about things like this and keep the fandom active. So why go and delete a detailed larry Tumblr that can keep fans educated and engaged. I dont get it.

Gabi’s blog was deleted two years ago. Out of the blue, without warning or explanation. It came at a time when we were being flooded with a huge amount of new and returning fans because of quarantine. Everyone knew about Gabi because she had the most extensive, most organized, most accessible tagging system and all it took was a few hours of digging and it became very very clear that there was something very shady going on. There was just a ton of proof, timelines, receipts about babygate, closeting, deception… all right there.

Tumblr doesn’t give a shit about individual blogs. Even with people complaining about them. They literally stonewalled Gabi and didn’t answer a single message from her for months (while they quickly answered other peoples messages, until they found out which blog we were referring to. Then we, too, were ignored). Someone instructed them to remove her blog. I don’t care if that sounds like “tin hatting”. It’s just obvious that’s what happened.

But we consoled ourselves with the wayback machine and the thought that “well, at least any reblogs of hers still exist” because even when you delete a blog, or an original post, it doesn’t delete the reblogs that exist.

Unless Tumblr decides to delete them all. And that’s what they’ve done. It’s not a glitch. It’s targeted. I’ve never heard of this happening to anyone on this site. Yes, blogs get deleted. But I’ve never seen a person’s account so systematically wiped out of existence.

I don’t know why it’s taken two years, unless maybe there’s been some sort of legal filing that required a certain period of time to take effect. And I don’t know that it’s Sony, but who else would have the power or the inclination to clear her posts?

I don’t think it has anything to do with Harry and Louis signaling or their teams wanting larries around. I just think Gabi had too much information collected that pointed to a whole lot more than just the fact that “Larry is real”.

[limmastyles]

After Shia LaBeouf drop the receipts on Olivia being a terrible person and lying I thought that Harry and Jeff would see that that was a perfect opportunity for him to leave the stunt but I understand why they didn’t because they needed to make sure that the movie made money so they can get a bit of their deal and their money back from the movie that they put money into. This new scandal with the nanny and Olivia being exposed for the fact that she was entertaining Harry and Jason at the same time and cheated on Jason supposedly should be there out for hairy. There has been nothing but scandal from floor it’s not wanted to promote the movie, to the Shia LaBeouf receipts dropping, to the drama at Venice and now this. If Harry doesn’t walk OK now I don’t know what’s wrong with him. This is the opportunity to walk away. Because your girlfriend was just exposed for cheating on her fiancé with you. He looks like a homewrecker, a cheater and not a really good person and Olivia looks like a scam. Not to mention when her and her and Harry’s “Relationship“ started she was still with Jason. She was still sleeping with him. So she was to timing the both of them at the same time. Your girlfriend just got caught for cheating on her fiancé with you but also cheating on you with her ex fiancé. Cut the cord. There is no reason for him to continue to be associated with her because she’s making him look bad. People online even now more than ever people who weren’t even invested in the stunt are now talking about the fact that Harry is a homewrecker. Getting involved with Olivia while she was still engaged. If this is not a sign to end it I don’t know what it is. If he was smart and his team actually gave a fuck they need to end it now. Don’t let her go to the LA shows, keep Her away from him and after the white policeman premier release the break up article. That is the only way for him to end up OK. If you remember at the beginning of 2021 when people were speculating on the timeline of Harry Olivia and Jason’s relationship Harry put out an article basically calling himself blameless. Putting the blame on Olivia and making Harries him oblivious to what happened. He needs to do the same thing again. His team needs to put out an article from sources saying that hairy wasn’t aware of the timeline of Olivia and decent relationship I wasn’t aware that her and Jason were still together. Because Olivia has been trying to sell the narrative that her and Jason broke up an early 2020 when in actuality we now have full proof that they broke up in November 2020. Harry needs to play completely clueless to what happened and distance himself from her and let the public know that he did not know what was happening in their relationship. If he does not then I truly think this guy is a fucking idiot because why would you still want to be associated with her. The movie is going to be out of theatres in a few weeks. No one is seeing this shit anymore. No one cares about don’t worry darling it came it went and it flopped all the money that he is going to make out of this movie has been made. It’s not gonna do well at the box office anymore people don’t care about it. Especially with Black Adam coming out, Halloween and coming out and Black Panther coming. No one cares about this movie anymore. There is no reason for him to continue to associate himself with her anymore. Because now he went from looking somewhat innocent in the situation to looking like a homewrecker and it’s not a good label that he wants on him.

[dongsichenged]

here’s a really comprehensive overview of how things shook down in the c-fandom by reddit user u/visible-following-50 (as of 11pm CDT 8/24/2021)

I wanna provide some C-ent perspective on this:

Overall all accusations concentrate in the period between August 2019 - February 2020

PART 1: Monday 23th 10-11pm The scandal first erupt on Twitter but reached Weibo around 10pm. There were instantly 10+ gossip accounts who were sharing the screenshots with no translation, fresh from Twitter. It took a bit for users on Douban to translate them and reshare them on Weibo. The gossip accounts definitely got tipped off, since they posted about it all at the same time.

Fans tried to look for proof the pictures, the screenshots, the audio and the timeline were fake. Apart from some small fans, most of his big fans asked Lumis to not share unverified debunks... they had previous experience sharing things too early only to find themselves ridiculed, so they pretty much just spend the whole night looking for harder proofs and keeping his trending topic on the entertainment list and not the main one. I am PERSONALLY quite confident, the company knew already what was going at that point. His trending topic never reached the main board... it was the #1 on the ent board for the whole night... people are guessing it was company’s doing...

As for the debunking proofs. I can confidently say, none of the proofs given and shared by small fans were solid proofs. That’s why his big accounts in China never started to share massively those posts. Twitter instead was more vocal in believing them.

1/ Pictures: the finger one is the fishiest one. It looks extremely not like his finger. But the three selfies, no fans managed to find where they come from. The only possible guess they come from leaked Kakaotalk. 2/ Audio: the fans found one part of the audio coming possibly from Bubble, but there’s a slight change in tone and the second part of the audio still is missing from Bubble. People use it as a debunking proof, but we can’t say for sure 3/ Timeline: the alleged nights they spent together did in fact coincide with the nights Lucas was in Seoul, just a very packed agenda. Like August 28th, he just landed in Incheon from Dubai at 5-6pm and supposedly spent the night with her right after. September 9th, he took a flight from Shanghai to Seoul, landed, spent the night with her, the day after directly took a flight to Dallas for SuperM concert. Technically all possible, also technically could be fabricated to match his schedule perfectly as second half of 2019 Lucas schedule was known to everybody due to SuperM and the amount of flights info. Beginning of December he was in China despite her claims. That is the only part we can be 100% it’s not true, since we have receipts of Lucas being in Beijing doing fanmeetings.

As for the gaslighting, asking for money and being rude to her, we have no proof whatsoever, since all the Wechat shared just show Lucas saying I love u and trying to meet up with her.

At this point, 99% of his fandom in China still believed in him and many spent the night not sleeping, to clear his searches, battle with antis and so on. His group mates akgaes also spent the night shitting on him.

PART 2: Tuesday 6pm The whole day went by with Lumis still clearing his searches, with anti inventing new rumors (they shared a dick pick of him quickly proven to be fake) which had Lumis and different members akgaes fight, but nothing big in comparison. After Jalapeño teaser dropped people were excited and we received also info Lucas and Ten have booked flights for China on Sept 10th. Then at 6pm a new girl came out, again, the news instantly shared by 10+ gossip accounts on Weibo, spreading the visibility.

The second girl is a Chinese girl claiming to have been contacted by him after a fansign (she provided receipts of her fansign participation) and supposedly met up in ShengYang. The girl had no pictures just a bunch of screenshots. She claimed they had sex with no protection and him lying saying he hasn’t had sex in a year and similar stuff.

Overall by this time, most of fans still didn’t believe her since she provided no pics and all the Wechat conversation were seen as not strong proofs (they can be easily photoshopped)

PART 3: Wednesday 8pm The third girl posted on her weibo account (with no personal info), the final blow. With pictures.

She supposedly got his contact by sending him a message via airdrop once she found him on Bluetooth during an offline event. They quickly added each other. They “dated” or more correctly they FWB for a period where she asked multiple times whether he was single, but supposedly the timing overlapped with the two previous girls, hence why the third girl decided to expose him, cause she felt cheated.

She accused him of cheating, badmouthing his members (they don’t work enough, one of them stole one of his fashion gig), not liking Keep Running (too much pressure from seniors).

Keep in mind none of the above accusations are found in her shared screenshots, as she said these are part of their conversation while drinking.

She provided 3 pictures: one of him sleeping (which many fans suspect to be a picture of him sleeping on WayV dorm due to matching sofa and Bella’s toy) and two pictures of him with drinks and sigarettes (the fishy part is that his hairstyle doesn’t look like his hairstyle in end of 2019. Edit: it could have been Moonwalk period hair.). While girl #1 selfies could have been Kakaotalk profile pics, these pictures look 1/ not photoshopped 2/ taken without him knowing.

At this point, Lucas big fan accounts broke down... this girl pictures were the final blow. While some fans still finds them fishy and claim it could have been staff selling their pics (which allegedly happened before between staff and sasaeng), after 24 hours of radio silence and continuous rumors, no sleep and constant fighting, his fancafe and his most high profile fans gave up and believed the accusations. Please note his solo stans only believe that he did sleep around, no mentions of badmouthing or his personality.

Lucas’ image among Chinese fans is definitely purer than what Ifans think of him. If Ifans think him being sexually active is nothing strange, for C-fans him sleeping and especially with fans, multiple at once, was too much to handle. Also many felt like at this point, regardless of whether he’s able to disprove the accusations, his image in China is ruined forever. SM not saying anything was too much to handle.

PART 4: Tuesday 10pm onwards.

With the fancafe leaving and many big fans leaving, the rest of Lumis saw this as a sign these big fans knew more than them, had some sort of proof from SM that the allegations were true. Rumors spread like fire among fandom and many fans quit due to fancafe quitting.

Fancafe quitting trended at #3 on Weibo main board, that single Weibo post had over half a million likes.

The rest of the night, Lucas trended with various hashtag, all on main board, between 3 to 15 in terms of positions. The same day a TV presenter was ousted for r*pe.

One of WayV most famous sasaeng shared on Weibo that Lucas does have an habit of flirting back when you send him something via airdrop. This sort of backed the possibility of the third girl story of how she met Lucas.

The rest of the night we still had some small rumors spreading of people saying that he does flirt with fans, he does look like a fuck boy, he was already a player before debut and so on. To be honest, I wouldn’t care about these since they all sound like people jumping on him.

Some WayV and almost all solo fans of the other members started to ask for his removal from the group. Many believe the accusations (since again, after 24 hours no solid debunking has been offered) while some others in any case think his career is done and his image will only tarnish the group.

As you can see, all of this play out very quickly. A bit over 24 hours and we are yet to see any response from SM.

Currently the remaining Chinese Lumis (a new fancafe opened to substitute the old one) are mostly just waiting for some confirmation or debunking from Lucas or the company itself. On Weibo they just basically gave up on digging for more proof themselves (apart form some small individual fans)

[thedispatched]

A Deep Dive Into The Lucas Situation + What His Fans Don't Want You To Know

this entire post was written in an unbiased, neutral, journalistic standpoint and does not reflect my personal opinions on the situation.

Warning: extremely long post ahead.

What Happened Regarding WayV's Lucas

Over the past few days, Lucas has been accused of cheating, manipulation, pressuring a fan to have unprotected sex with him, and gaslighting by multiple girls.

The first to come forward was a Korean fan (op 1) on twitter and then 2 Chinese fans on weibo (op 2 and op 3). Yesterday, a 4th Chinese fan (op 4) came forward on weibo.

Op 1’s statement / translation cr: twitter

Op 2’s statement / translation cr: reddit

Op 1’s second statement / translation cr: twitter

Op 3’s statement / translation cr: reddit

Op 4’s statement / translation 1 + translation 2 cr: twitter (translation 1 and 2 are made by different people)

update: i recommend reading these translations for op 2, op 3, and op 4

What Is Happening On Weibo

cr: this reddit comment

Monday 230821 the news broke out on twitter first before erupting on weibo around 10pm. 10+ gossip accounts posted screenshots on twitter with no translation and it took a bit of users on Douban to translate before they were reshared on weibo. All gossip accounts posted it at the same time.

Fans tried to look for proof that it was fake. Apart from some small fans, big fans asked Lumis to not share unverified debunks. They spent the entire night looking for proof and kept this a trending topic on the entertainment list and not the main one.

None of the proof made by small fans were solid which is why big fan accounts asked them not to share it. Twitter, however, was more vocal in believing them.

People have been saying that Twitter stans faked proof to debunk the claims. An example is people saying Op 1 deleted and said they lied because they’re a Lucas anti. This is completely false. They never said that and the account is still up.

i-fans fake proof to debunk op’s statements

Another thread on i-fans fake proof

edit: another thread debunking i-fans proof

Op 1’s evidence

Pictures: the finger one is the most sus because it doesn’t look like his finger. The 3 selfies, however, no fan was able to find where they came from. The only possible guess was that they were leaked from kakaotalk.

Audio: fans found that part of the audio could possibly be from bubble. However, there’s a slight change in tone and the second half of the audio is missing from bubble. (later it was pointed out that the audio message from op’s evidence is from before February 2020 which is when bubble opened).

Timeline: the alleged nights Op spent with Lucas did in fact coincide with the nights Lucas was in Seoul, just a very packed schedule.

Aug. 28th he just landed in Incheon from Dubai at 5-6pm and supposedly spent the night with her right after.

Sept. 9th he took a flight from Shanghai to Seoul, landed, spent the night with her, the day after took a direct flight to Dallas for SuperM concert.

All technically possible, but also technically could be fabricated to match his schedule perfectly as the second half of 2019, Lucas’ schedule was known to everybody due to SuperM and the and the amount of flight info.

The only part of op 1’s claim that we know is 100% false is that in the beginning of December he was in China despite her claims. There are receipts of Lucas being in Beijing for fan meetings.

Regarding the gaslighting, asking for money, and being rude to her there is no proof as the WeChat’s she shared are just messages of Lucas saying “I love you” and trying to meet up with her.

At this point 99% of the fandom in China still believed in him and many spent the night not sleeping to clear searches, battle antis, and so one. His group mates akgaes also spent the night shitting on him.

Tuesday 240821 most of the day was spent with Lumi’s still clearing searches and anti’s inventing new rumors which led to Lumi’s and different members akgaes fighting, but nothing big in comparison.

Jalapeño teasers were dropped and people were excited. There was also info that Ten and Lucas have booked flights for China on Sept 10th.

Then at 6pm, a new girl came out and the news was instantly shared by 10+ gossip accounts on Weibo, spreading the visibility.

The second Op is a Chinese girl claiming to have been contacted by him after a fansign (she provided receipts of her fansign participation) and supposedly met up in ShengYang.

Op 2 had no pictures, just a bunch of screenshots. She claimed they had sex with no protection and him lying saying he hasn't had sex in a year and similar stuff.

Most fans didn't believe her since she provided no pics and all the WeChat conversations were seen as not strong proof (they can be easily photoshopped).

Wednesday 250821 at 8pm the third girl posted on her weibo account (with no personal info), the final blow, with pictures.

She supposedly got his contact by sending him a message via airdrop once she found him on bluetooth during an offline event. They quickly added each other. They "dated" or more correctly they were friends with benefits for a period where she asked multiple times whether he was single, but supposedly the timing overlapped with the two previous girls, hence why the third girl decided to expose him, cause she felt cheated.

She accused him of cheating, badmouthing his members (they don’t work enough, one of them stole one of his fashion gig), not liking Keep Running (too much pressure from seniors).

Keep in mind that none of the above accusations are found in her shared screenshots as she said these are part of their conversations while drinking.

Op 3 provided 3 pictures: one of him sleeping (which many fans suspect to be a picture of him sleeping at the WayV dorm due to a matching sofa and what looks like Bella’s toy. however this was 'disproven' in one of the threads i linked above) and two pictures of him with drinks and cigarettes. His hairstyle in the last two pictures seemed fishy because it didn’t look like his hair at the end of 2019, however, it could have been his Moonwalk era hair.

While Op 1’s selcas could have been kakaotalk profile pics, Op 3’s pictures look 1) not photoshopped and 2) taken without him knowing.

At this point, Lucas’ big fan accounts broke down. Op 3’s pictures were the final blow.

Some fans still found the photos fishy and claimed it could have been the WayV staff selling their pics, which allegedly has happened before between staff and sasaengs, after 24 hours of radio silence and continuous rumors, his fancafe and most high profile fans gave up and believed the accusations. (I’ll explain why this is a big deal later)

A fancafe opened to replace the old one, however it is small and most are only sticking around to see this issue to the end.

Please note that his solo stans only believe that he did sleep around, no mentions of bad mouthing or his personality.

Lucas’ image among Chinese fans is definitely purer than what i-fans think of him. If i-fans think him being sexually active is nothing strange, for C-fans him sleeping and especially with fans, multiple at once, was too much to handle. Also many felt like at this point, regardless of whether he’s able to disprove the accusations, his image in China is ruined forever. SM not saying anything was too much to handle.

Tuesday 10pm onwards with his fancafe leaving and many big fans following, the rest of Lumis saw this as a sign that these big fans knew more than them and had some sort of proof from SM that the allegations were true. Rumors spread like fire among the fandom and may fans quit due to the fancafe quitting.

Fancafe quitting trended #3 on the Weibo main board. That single post had over half a million likes.

The rest of the night, Lucas trended with various hashtag, all on the main board, between 3 to 15 in terms of positions. The same day a TV presenter was ousted for r*pe.

One of WayV most famous sasaeng shared on Weibo that Lucas does have a habit of flirting back when you send him something via airdrop. This sort of backed the possibility of the third girl story of how she met Lucas.

The rest of the night we still had some small rumors spreading of people saying that he does flirt with fans, he does look like a fuck boy, he was already a player before debut and so on. However, this could just be people jumping on him.

Some WayV and almost all solo fans of the other members started to ask for his removal from the group. Many believe the accusations (since again, after 24 hours no solid debunking has been offered) while some others in any case think his career is done and his image will only tarnish the group.

250821 SM and Lucas’ response was finally shared. The apology was very SM. A letter acknowledging mistakes while being vague about what mistakes and mismanagement. Most fans took this as an admission that something is true, but no clue which accusations. It’s mostly seen as PR tactic to quiet things down and show the artist and the company attitude towards the scandal. All schedules were canceled for him and will go on hiatus for an undisclosed amount of time.

Lucas was unofficially dropped by Keep Running and the show is looking for a substitute and his brands have all hidden posts with him. This is a normal tactic by brands in case of uncertainty, but to save themselves backlash.

Op 1 came out with a second statement adding details about their relationship. The tone sounds like a scorned woman (she just found out about the others, felt cheated). She defines their period from July 2019 to Feb 2021. On and off relationship, trying to be friends but she felt used for sex. She added lots of details about him, of which we have no receipts but her own words.

He’s depicted as someone who would lose his virginity in a massage parlor in China, fight against gangsters to protect his bullied friend, criticizing tall women's bodies because they don’t look feminine and much much more. You can take a look at the translation above. This is her last post.

Fans shared that supposedly, among the oldest group of Lumis and fansites, they have identified her as a fellow fansite with sasaeng behaviour called DirectKill (keep in mind, no receipt, just seen as truth by most lumis after matching schedules, stories). She was previously attacked in 2019 by Lumis for her sasaeng behaviour (getting super close to him, following his flights, making a fuss on the plane), but now Lumis are seeing from another perspective. Her as a proud GF who wanted to flirt with his boy in front of everyone. It also made sense given the girl's social economic background (used to be a JK sasaeng who can afford gifting Rolex). It didn’t help that the girl also sold fanmerch to other fans and fans felt betrayed by him but also disgusted by her.

Fan’s reactions didn’t change much after this. Those who already believed that he was a scumbag, kept believing it. Those who believed it’s all fake, continued to believe it was fake. However, it did change the perception of those who were still on the fence as it added a lot of detail about his character. Keep in mind that there were tons of other rumors coming out, not from girls, but random sources (fake porn video, his family being poor and how he’s an ungrateful son because he spends money on himself and not his family, SM pushing him at the expense of other members, having a gay lover, etc).

Many of those rumors were deleted after, but kept being shared privately. International fans also started to turn against him.

Fourth Girl accusation On Friday/Saturday, a water sports coach (using her personal account, with pictures of her normal life) sent a post defending Lucas personality describing him positively, as she was his instructor during the Hainan trip he had with WinWin. A fourth girl came out to say that Lucas was flirting with her while flirting with that coach (the coach denies it). She also attached some WeChat screenshots to prove that they know each other. The text per se contains mostly just flirty conversation and very random inspirational speeches.

The fourth girl is angry and wants him out of the group. She went on saying that he wanted to gift her a cat (there was a paparazzi taken video of Lucas and his manager buying a white cat) but she refused and now the cat is managed by WinWin in Beijing. She also claimed he sent her yesterday (hence, after the apology) a message saying she was his favourite (keep in mind, no receipt, just her answering in a comment). She claims that there must be more girls out there and many just don’t want the attention, but she came out when she saw the Coach post and realized he was flirting back to back with both of them (further denied by the coach).

In the end, currently, none of the statements by all 4 op’s have actually been fully debunked.

Extra: This reddit user is a native cantonese speaker and explained why they believe the screenshots of Lucas’ messages are real. I highly recommend reading as it’s very interesting.

Why His FanCafe/CBar Closing Is A Big Deal

Chinese fan bases usually have insider information that international fans do not have because they’re connected to the staff/company. This is why a lot (not all, but a lot) of Weibo rumors about idols tend to be true. (example: when jessica left snsd there were weibo rumors about it before her departure was officially announced).

C-Fanbases usually stick with their idol through anything. I think even Kris Wu’s fan base defended him until he was detained.

K-Fans and V-Fans also usually have more info and know more about the idols.

C-Fans, K-Fans, and V-Fans are all against Lucas and his cbar closed down almost immediately. Why is that?

(A translated post on twitter on what an ex-Lumis said about Lucas) (believe it if you want to believe it as we don’t know if the translation is accurate and if op is telling the truth or not)

edit: tweet translating weibo post about LucasBar's poor inner management. (believe it if you wanna believe it as we don't know if weibo op is telling the truth and if twt user translated it correctly). + update

Understanding C-Ent

First, the Cpop industry’s attitude towards celebrities with bad moral character usually end up getting blacklisted. His domestic fanbase has already left and weibo/domestic opinion is against him.

Second, lots of “scandals” are coming out in China lately. The government is looking into punishing excessive hatred online and fanwars. Lots of accounts will either be purged or lay low due to this.

There is the Hong Kong issue happening right now and him being from Hong Kong could have played a factor in his takedown as well. The CCP is “cleansing” it’s entertainment industry right now and investigating the loyalties of TW/HK entertainers.

Third, this twitter user explained how C-Ent works.

If you don’t wanna read the whole thread, even though I highly recommend it, they basically say that it’s possible that both Lucas could have done stupid/bad things and WayV/SM’s competitors could’ve deliberately dug this up and paid involved parties to expose this as a form of sabotage.

In C-Ent, if you are competition, your closest skeletons will be revealed and your fandom’s defense will be further criticized.

As a public figure in C-Ent, there’s almost zero tolerance for skeletons or dirt. It doesn’t matter how young you were/are. It’s all about the public’s perception of you. It’s about your marketability and it’s about your backers. SM artist will never have powerful Chinese backers that can protect them from having their dirt dug up and exposed as a market competition in C-Ent.

SM does not know how C-Ent works and this shows it.

edit: I’m not sure what to title this tweet, but the same user I linked in point 3 made another thread about how wanting Lucas out because he’ll be blacklisted and that’ll impact WayV is kinda ??? It talks about the CCP and stuff.

What Will Happen To WayV & Lucas?

cr: a few reddit comments

Lucas was casted on Keep Running because he was spotted during Knowing Bros and got recommended by SK producers. Him being on Keep Running was the link between WayV and China.

When WayV first arrived in China, they were partnered up with Youku (of Alibaba, who also bought SM shares) hence they had ‘Dream Plan’ as a show. Youku, however, had a bit of a struggle and overall they too had their own idol group to promote and it seems like their relationship just died down over time.

Keep Running had Lucas auditioning in early 2019 due being recommended by the Korean production team after seeing him on Knowing Bros (both him and Yuqi). In the end, they signed a contract packing Keep Running and some other shows (the year end show and some one episode cameo). The first season went well and Lucas was kept on the show despite him not being present in 2020. Zhejiang TV really liked him. His 2021 performance further proved the director and the staff he was the right choice.

Lucas’ popularity and as a consequence his brand deals, all come from the exposure on Keep Running. Kick Back was heavily promoted by Keep Running.

Label V failed to find another partner like Zhejiang TV. They tried with WinWin in 2019 on a Mango TV variety show, but that show was brand new unlike Keep Running and failed to take off thus was canceled after one season halting further discussions with the TV station.

This led to the situation in 2021 when you see this imbalance and over dependence on Lucas’ Keep Running gig.

Basically, Lucas’ Keep Running gig served as the only platform WayV had in China.

However, Lucas staying in the group would lead to quite a few problems.

With Lucas’ losing his fanbase and his skeletons being out, it would drag down the group as a whole. WayV has barely established themselves in China.

Lucas is the most well known member after Ten and WinWin. However, after these accusations, he is left with an unlikeable impression on the general public. This can cost the group’s reputation big time. Remember, WayV’s main target is China and this situation will affect the Chinese fandom way more than the Korean or international fandom.

The only way for WayV to survive in China is by having him say goodbye.

This also puts a ‘what will happen’ on the rumors about a new WayV album and how the members were set to head back to China as well as NCT 2021.

If Lucas didn’t sleep with the girls, the joggling between 3 girls during the period in different countries is enough to crush his career in China. It’s doubtful he’d be able to come back as an idol in China even if he apologized. It’s generally accepted that male idols cannot date or sleep around unless they reach Luhan (former exo member) level of success. Lucas’ fandom is not big enough and can’t survive with his remaining fans plus it’d be hard to attract new fans with this image.

WayV will not stand a chance if SM decides to stand by Lucas. Fans might probably only be satisfied if he's left on permanent hiatus like Super Junior’s former member Kangin or his permanent departure from the group.

Lucas is very famous internationally and SM is known for not kicking idols out (look at Super Junior for example). It’s possible for the company to put him on hiatus or keep him in NCT and just take him out of WayV. They could use him in the future for other audiences. However, their main target is Asia and Korea and China hate Lucas right now. He lost his fans there so it's difficult to say what would happen if they kept him.

(side note: China remembers these things for a very long time so they won’t let go of this issue).

Rumors

(I can’t find the post again) There is a rumor on weibo by someone who is known to be an ‘insider’ and often says things about SM that usually end up being true. They stated that the company is in the talks to kick him out.

There is another rumor that WayV’s comeback in September and NCT 2021 have all halted for now. Lucas’ schedules stopped for half a year, and he might leave WayV. (see here)

Take all rumors with a grain of salt.

Currently, things are not dying down in China and other members are slowly being caught up in the controversy.

A post on weibo claims that Lucas demanded his fans to say mean things about the other WayV members on Lysn.

There are sasaeng rumors spreading about how there was a fight in the WayV dorm and a shoe was thrown out the window. A fan claimed Hendery had a long bruise on the bottom of his neck at the press conference, however on the pictures they attached you couldn’t quite see a bruise. YangYang and Hendery have changed their bubble picture from a group photo to a photo of themself. (remember: these are sasaeng rumors, so take them with a grain of salt and believe what you want to believe).

edit: an anon told me that the yy rumor of spreading hate is fake. it came from yy fanpicks twitter (who changed to multiple usernames) and was known for a lot of anti shit including other group members. seconds after it was posted, people yelled at them for starting fake stuff and the post was taken down and the account deactivated.

As for Hendery, it could have been allergies as he was seen scratching the area during the press conference.

Some old VLives are being overanalyzed to show that members, like Ten, knew what was going on and it’s catching heat. Lucas fans allegedly got caught faking stories of WinWin and it’s causing a lot of hate. People are also digging up on Lucas’ family. (His brother allegedly shows pro-HK sentiments and that would end him over there).

(i can't add another picture lmao so pretend the red divider is here)

This is all I have so far on Lucas’ situation. If more things happen, I might make another post. If you read this entire thing, I applaud you. This was 9 pages on google docs.

Thank you for reading and please remember I am not trying to spread hate or anything. I’m just trying to provide insight on what’s going on. This post does not include my personal opinions on what’s going on.

Most of this information came from reddit. The entire thread is filled with mature conversations and level headed, open minded people. The comments I used for this post were not opinion pieces, but comments giving insight on China/C-Ent that we might not be aware of.

Replies are turned off because this is a side blog. If you have anything to say, please do it respectfully in the reblogs or my ask box.

Thank you for reading.

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

The fortune teller one...there are many translations for that but yeah tkkrs will go with whatever works for them.

Games -you don't need to be together physically to play video games. Again, Tae didn't say when and where. Tae mentioned playing with Jimin too, in the same video. Maybe all 3 played together. Like how do tkkrs immediately think it was just Taekook alone and off work?

About the trip... there were travel restrictions in SK, they were doing an online concert then. Jk had that hair color during LV photoshoot and online concert. Clearly, they weren't "traveling" then. And they didn't post that full pic, it was just cropped to the 2 of them. We dont know where that was taken or who else was with them ( some accounts on Twitter posted that it was the set of LV photoshoot). And the official translations say "recommended clothes" to each other not "dressed each other up".

Yes, Jimin speaks the most. But, Jk acknowledges the things Jimin says in front of him. Jk has also spoken about being with Jimin or eating food with him, going to Jimin's room, having a rain fight and crying and patching up, boxing with Jimin, etc. JK has said he only met jihope during their last break. JK has spoken about drinking with Jimin and carrying him and getting a bite in the neck. There is a whole gcf of their tokyo trip. There's plenty from JK too. I don't recall Jk talking about hanging out with V. During the LA vminkook vlive, V asked the staff to get Jk to join. But Jimin could just pick the phone and call jk and ask him to come. Do they see the difference there (based on the timeline and haircolor, whatever that Taekook "trip" was should have happened before LA concert and yet Tae is unable to call Jk on the phone?)?.

And it isn't always just Jimin 'talking' about Jungkook. Jimin has literally posted pictures and videos with Jungkook from their off schedule... We hear the members talk about them together as a unit. We heard waiter in LV mention they visited together and had fun and that the 2 sat separately from the rest. We get pictures of them hanging out together with friends, from local fans. We see their signatures at tattoo parlour and tattoo artist confirming they visited together. Jin called Jimin during his bday vlive and Jungkook was with Jm. Even Tae confirmed Jk was in Jimin's room the most in LA, and he thought Jimin's room was Jk's. There's a lot more. So one shouldn't say it's only Jimin talking. It's not true. There's more than just "Jimin talking" there to prove they are closest and spending time together off work. And not to forget their families, the way Jk's mom said I love you to Jimin and Jm's dad having Jk's stuff in their cafe display. Or Jk's bro liking Jm fan arts on Insta.

We never hear anything about Taekook as such. Even the members dont speak of them together the way they automatically speak of Jm and Jk. Yeah Tae said a couple of things, but there are no receipts to it or they are just poor translations.

I do see some improvement in their dynamic since since 2021, I see Tae is the one really trying to make that connection. But i still dont think they hang out together by themselves, without at least one other member with them. They are clearly not the closest duo.

And about woonga squad following Jk...why won't they also follow Jm? Isn't Jm V's soulmate? If they are following Jk cause Jk is close to V, then by that logic they should follow Jm too. That's why Insta following isn't proof of anything.

Oh anon, I'm aware of all this. But you know, it just falls on deaf ears for those who are really set in their beliefs. The differences are quite significant. I don't like to talk of friendships and closeness in terms of a competition because it leads to nowhere and it only creates more discord, but we all have the facts in front of us and we can draw a conclusion. That's all I'm going to say.

In this context, it's even more ridiculous to hear opinions on Jimin and JK not being close because of some trivial reasons, as if it's going to erase everything else.

This debate and competition will never stop. At least not in the immediate future and fans will always believe what they want and what fits with their own ideas about the friendship within BTS. Even though our perceptions are very subjective, it's important to have the entire picture in mind and remember not only the facts, but also what the members actually say.

[popcorn-kitten]

new hiveswap info and development timelines just dropped on the Kickstarter ✌️

Over the years, a lot of misinformation, as well as deliberate disinformation, has spread around about the history of Hiveswap. The purpose of this post is to clarify these matters for backers who've been wondering what the truth is.

The Kickstarter was planned by the What Pumpkin business development team in mid-2012. One member of the team was a crowdfunding specialist who led the planning process and managed the contracts with the developer. Prior to the Kickstarter opening for pledges, What Pumpkin worked out a plan for a flexible game concept that could be refined according to how much the campaign ultimately brought in. As Hussie was still working on Homestuck full time at this point, the plan was to hand over his game concept and story outline to a development company that could deliver the project.

The crowdfunding campaign finished out at a gross total of $2,485,506, as well as a gross total of $207,930 from PayPal pledges. But because of platform fees, as well as the costs of producing and shipping merchandise to backers of the campaign, the effective budget was significantly lower than the gross pledged total:

The above deductions from the gross total do not include taxes.

After determining the final budget for the game, What Pumpkin signed an agreement with the contracted game company (hereafter “GC”) to develop Hussie’s game concept. WP and GC entered into a development contract on November 30, 2012, shortly after the conclusion of the Homestuck Kickstarter. WP paid $788,000 to GC in late 2012 for development.

Because there was an understanding that delivering the complete game development documents would take some time, during which it would be difficult for GC to make meaningful progress on the Hiveswap game build, GC inquired about getting involved with other Homestuck-adjacent projects to do immediate work. WP let GC know about the Act 7 animation plans. With an assurance that this work could be done in parallel with a flexible timeline and would not impact the development cycle of Hiveswap itself, Hussie and What Pumpkin saw this as a good opportunity to establish a working relationship with this organization prior to the start of development and agreed to contract GC to do animation work for the Act 7 project. WP and GC agreed that this project would have a separate budget from the Hiveswap Kickstarter money, paid for from WP’s regular operating funds. As the existence of this animation itself would not be revealed until its release in 2016, this was not publicly announced at the time. GC and the lead animator on the project specifically requested not to be credited upon release of the animation.

Hussie initiated the “Megapause” on April 14, 2013 in order to devote his full attention to finalizing the Hiveswap development documents. What Pumpkin soon provided its story documents so that GC could formally begin core systems development. In July of 2013 WP and GC mutually agreed to push back GC’s deliverable dates without penalty. Hussie would share an update in 2013 detailing the state of predevelopment:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/posts/708686

In 2013 following receipt of WP’s deliverables, GC enthusiastically assured WP that it was positioned to begin development. GC would deliver its first prototype in early 2014.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qSXwWKD5Km1yL-3Cj_W5IevW-IA978zJ/view?usp=sharing

This prototype, linked above, was sent to WP on 2/18/14. At this point, it was becoming a significant concern among backers that WP had yet to show proof that the game was being made, so WP was looking for any sort of tangible progress update from GC that was suitable to share with the public. But Hussie and WP found the quality of the prototype somewhat alarming, and decided that sharing any shots from the game would only cause embarrassment for GC. Nevertheless, WP was still willing to assume that this was a very early draft of something that would develop into a more promising product soon, and gave GC some more time to improve on it.

But the improvements didn’t come. No other advancements on the prototype were ever made. After waiting weeks with no update other than assurances that progress was carrying on smoothly, Hussie initiated the “Gigapause” both to take care of personal matters and later to get directly involved in the development of the game himself. He decided to move to southern California from the east coast in hopes that working directly with the GC could help them overcome whatever obstacles they were facing with Hiveswap’s development. GC responded positively to the prospect of Hussie’s involvement, but when he made the move and tried to coordinate a time to visit the GC offices and meet, GC insisted it was a bad time due to office renovations and a busy schedule. Here is a timeline with quotes from emails exchanged between Hussie and GC:

May 12, 2014 - from Hussie to GC

“Just letting you know I actually moved to the west coast recently. I'm only an hour or so away from LA now.

I could drive down and check out the office, see how things are going with the game and animation in person some time soon. Is there a time that would work for you guys? In a week or two maybe?”

May 15, 2014 - from GC to Hussie

“That's awesome about being on the west coast. It'd be great to have you come to the studio.

Dev has slowed a bit on our end, as we wanted to take a step back and really evaluate what was needed and the best way to achieve the features that have been coming online in the docs. We're continuing to break that all down so we can build and plan most effectively moving forward. We also wanted to find some simple formats for input from your writing team for dialogue content and are getting that squared away.

The best time to come by would actually be right after E3. Things are a bit nuts until then.”

May 18, 2014 - from Hussie to GC

“[Name redacted], sounds good. I'll set aside some time after E3 to make the drive down. As we approach the date, just let me know what works for you.”

E3 was June 10-12, 2014. GC did not invite Hussie to visit at this time.

Hussie and WP representatives were in LA over July 4th weekend, 2014. When they inquired about visiting the offices again they were still not welcome. A GC representative insisted that they meet at a restaurant instead. Yet GC continued to telegraph that they were receptive to the idea of inviting Hussie to the office well into the summer:

Aug 18, 2014 - from GC to Hussie

“We'd love to set up a new time for Andrew to come to the studio as well as a skype chat to meet the other team members.”

Despite apparent enthusiasm about meeting with Andrew in their email correspondence, GC continued the pattern of refusing to meet at the office or supply any signs of progress on the prototype.

Over that summer, GC delivered several pieces of concept art that WP had been requesting since January. Hussie did his best to present this publicly as a positive development as WP felt it would be counterproductive to the project and harmful to GC to publicly detail the development troubles at the time.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/posts/883860

There was no indication from GC that the Act 7 animation project was in any way in conflict with Hiveswap development. GC was enthusiastic about taking on this project, and bidded against other animators for the contract. They saw it as a useful tie-in to concept art work on Hiveswap, as GC leadership conveyed in an email to WP in early 2013:

WP also does not have any reason to believe that the Act 7 project in practice created a conflict that was not disclosed by GC to WP. Act 7 was a 2D animation project, and Hiveswap at the time was a 3D game, so it did not pull GC’s programmers or 3D artists away from work on Hiveswap. GC never mentioned the development needs of a separate project at all to WP, or cited any such reason as distracting from work on Hiveswap; GC instead repeatedly provided WP with various assurances that everything was still fine with Hiveswap.

Had GC communicated that they had scheduling conflicts or some other impediment preventing them from developing Hiveswap, WP would have terminated the contract even sooner.

WP moved to terminate the agreement with GC late summer of 2014, and Hussie pivoted towards establishing a new independent game studio while consulting with a designer who had stepped up into a leadership position during the GC development period. That individual lived in NYC, which is why that location was chosen to establish the new studio rapidly. They helped build the studio through a local network of professional contacts. While this “What Pumpkin NYC” studio shared a name with What Pumpkin, it’s important to note that all of WP NYC’s studio staff save for the aforementioned individual were hired without any prior affiliation with WP and thus had no association with the GC contract. WP documented this development on Kickstarter on October 30th, 2014. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/posts/1035099

At this point, negotiations were very amicable; both parties agreed the project simply wasn’t turning out to be a good fit for GC, and were both ready to move on. There were no signs given at all that WP was about to have trouble recovering the remaining funds.

WP is legally permitted to discuss details of the resolution of the dispute only under very specific circumstances. WP may make additional disclosures outside of this post to individual backers in accordance with legal obligations.

Following resolution of the GC contract, in Spring 2015 the WP NYC studio was running at full capacity on Hiveswap. The main problem was the fact that WP management was blindsided by the revelation that much less money would be coming back than expected. The WP NYC project manager had designed the schedule based on the good faith presumption that most of the development funds would be recouped. When it was finally revealed the return was far short of what was expected, and the repayment plan could in no way keep up with the schedule as currently drafted, it threw the project into a period of chaos as plans were quickly redrawn. The length of Act 1 was slashed, and other modifications were made to try to fit the rest of Act 1 into the newly shortened runway. But in the end, the revisions still weren't enough to save the game as it existed, and the studio needed to be closed in order to reserve what funds remained to finish the project in some form.

This may have come across as a sudden or spontaneous decision. Part of this is because the WP NYC senior staff and WP ownership were doing everything in their power to save the project, including injecting WP regular operating funds into the project, until it was determined that going any further would be disastrous for the future of Hiveswap. Another is that WP was legally unable to give any detailed disclosures about the financial troubles, even to many of the WP NYC staff.

It should also be noted that originally the NYC studio was not going to be permanently closed, but only frozen for a reassessment of the project. But during this freeze period, there were some dramatic events. One staff member behaved in a destructive and threatening manner. For the protection of those involved, details shouldn't be disclosed. But these events made navigating the post-freeze issues impossible. Communication between ownership, management and staff broke down because of these events, and the freeze turned into full closure. This version of the project was then abandoned for many reasons, including these events.

Some misinformation claims that at the time the WP NYC studio was shuttered, its iterations of Act 1 and 2 were complete. This is wrong. Act 1 was very far from a shippable state and absolutely no work on Act 2 had been completed besides some concept and 3D art. Here you can see a video documenting one of many major bugs with critical path progression in the final build produced by WP NYC, where it becomes impossible to re-focus on the Simon Says toy if Joey fails and then exits out of the puzzle:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M2mmkMx8Wkwp1VU_5IpMKDvngmUFS0IG/view?usp=sharing

At the point the WP NYC studio was frozen it was still difficult to finish a full run of the critical path without the debug tool, and the UI was far from complete. With that build, Act 1 ended the moment Joey passed through the portal on Earth. The current version of Act 1, where Joey makes it to Alternia and meets Xefros, is more indicative of the original length of the NYC version of Act 1. Not only did it need to be slashed from what the original script proposed, the NYC version of Act 1 still wasn't that close to resembling a shippable product after those changes were made.

Because of the amount of time and resources already devoted to this project, WP was initially very reluctant to lay anyone off or scrap the work being done. It was for this reason that the studio stayed open for months after the contract with GC was resolved; WP made every effort to deliver a game with that team, but at the time WP NYC was shuttered, the funds just weren't there to keep the studio running at its current burn rate and schedule slips. The game was never going to reach delivery with the funds available. The studio urgently needed to be frozen for a full reassessment, and then it was closed after the freeze due to the reasons stated above. This was the only course of action that could have saved the project.

To WP's knowledge every artist whose work was used in the final release of Act 1 was included in the credits. The final version of Act 1 was in large part built off concept art and storyboards drawn during the WP NYC era, and many of the artists who made them continued to work on the team that produced the final version of Act 1; the roadmap for the completion of Act 1 was specifically planned because WP had determined that the existing 2D concepts could easily be refined into a final product that would both be visually appealing and more economic to produce. Unfortunately due to the transition to 2D WP no longer had a place for the 3D artists or the original 3D engine, and all of those assets were dropped. They were not used as a basis for the finished assets in Act 1, and visual similarities to WP NYC 3D assets are due to the fact that final Act 1 assets are in large part refinements of the original concept art. Any artist whose work was used incidentally was included in Additional Contributions.

Both the GC and NYC phases of Hiveswap were setbacks to the overall fulfillment of the project, but not insurmountable. WP reorganized the budget to establish a new version of the studio, and Act 1 was released two years after the closure of NYC.

As an addendum, WP has identified the primary source of a disclosure to a well-circulated document of the Hiveswap development process. WP has been aware of a pattern of false claims this former employee has made since the end of their employment at the beginning of 2014. As this individual was not present during the end of the development contract with GC, nor the WP NYC development period, all of the information they have shared is based on speculation and conjecture.

At this time, WP does not wish to invite more controversy into the lives of anyone previously involved with this project, and considers these matters to have been resolved long ago. The goal for years has been to turn the page on flawed attempts by earlier studios, and simply move forward and bring Hiveswap to completion without sparking the chaos, disruption, and threats to personal safety that would have resulted from disclosing many of the details stated above. Doing so would only make it more difficult for the staff to rebuild the project during these periods immediately following the termination of the GC agreement and closure of the NYC studio. Since preservation of the project was the primary responsibility to the backers, making destructive disclosures that put the project at risk along the way would have been at odds with that responsibility. This policy also served to protect individuals from personal or professional harm, including those who were responsible for serious setbacks with the project. Please respect the privacy of any persons affiliated with GC and WP NYC.

[charlietheepicwriter7]

Hey, Little Songbird

Chapter 11 - AO3

D-Day.

M. Devereux, the history professor, was handing back their projects, finally graded. Felix, of course, knew that his and Marinette’s deserved nothing less than a perfect score.

What grades other people got… well, that was their own business. If they decided to share that information with the class, then he’d take pleasure in it.

He and Marinette received their own before certain other people. He flipped open the professional black binder to reveal their perfect score on the cover page. Marinette’s smile was blinding and Felix found it hard to breath for a second as a soft smile that only existed around his mother began to form on his lips.

“What!?” A screech flung from the front of the class. His smile morphed into a smirk as Rossi stared at M. Devereux with horrified eyes. “How did we get a failure!?”  

“If you have any questions about your results, I will address them after class, Mlle. Rossi.”

“B-But we used Lila’s notes!” Cesaire replied unable to stop a glance at those in the back. In her hands, clear for everyone to see, was the rose-imbedded binder Felix had ‘lost’ the week previous. “It should have been perfect!”

“After class.”

Rossi shot a glare at them—pathetic, she thought she still had a chance—and burst into a symphony of fake tears. “I-I knew I shouldn’t have let Marinette look at our project! She probably swapped the contents of our binder when I wasn’t looking!”

The class turned back to look at them, but M. Devereux would have no accusations of plagiarism in his class. “While it is possible someone could have switched your assignment, it is because both you and Mlle. Cesaire’s names were only on the title page of your assignment. M. Graham de Vanily and Mlle. Dupain-Cheng’s names were on each page in the header, as the formatting instructions required.” His eyes narrowed. “Please refrain from shouting in my classroom.”

“T-Then!” Rossi’s voice cracked unpleasantly, “They must have re-typed the assignment!”

Felix rolled his eyes. “That’s too much work.”

Marinette nodded, then frowned. “Hey… isn’t that the binder you lost last week?” She asked, her voice the perfect picture of innocence, drawing the class’s attention to the rather memorable piece of leather. “The one you reported to lost and found but never heard back from?”

“Yes, I think it is. Why do you both have it?”

Rossi snatched the binder from Cesaire’s arms, clutching it to her chest. “No it’s not! It must be a different one!”

One of the other classmates spoke up—a blond one, the Princess Fragrance girl. “But it has the same rose on it!” By holding it against her chest, Rossi revealed the memorable rose backing to the world. “I remember it because I thought it was so pretty!”

“Y-Yeah, that’s why I bought one just like it!” Rossi’s smile was flawless.

Felix cocked an eyebrow. “You bought a hundred-euro binder that looks exactly like the one that went missing?” Some strain. He shrugged. “Sure, I’ll buy it… if you can provide the receipt.”

“Huh?”

“The receipt, Rossi.” Felix dug around in his back for his receipt pouch and pulled out the one for the binder; it was ready at the front just for this purpose. “I have my own, for my binder. Provide yours, and I won’t report you for stealing.”

“I bought it online,” came the swift lie.

“Then show proof of purchase on your phone,” Marinette quickly rebutted.

“Not that she can,” Felix added. “Since this store doesn’t sell it’s more expensive items online, only in person.” He grinned, watching as the rusty gears in Rossi’s head began to smoke from the pressure. “So how’d you manage to do that?”

“It’s not from the same store, obviously.”

“So another store just so happened to be carrying the exact same handmade binder?” he snorted. “Just tell us the truth, Rossi; some of us want to go to lunch.”

“I… I…” Her eyes were darting around the room, meeting friendly and unfriendly gazes alike when she suddenly burst into tears. “I’m sorry!” she wailed. “I found the binder in lost and found! It, it was so pretty, and I didn’t know it was yours, Felix! Please forgive me!”

The few hostile classmates seemed to be on the brink of doing so, but before Felix could interject, Marinette said, “So you stole it from lost and found? How is that much better?”

“That’s not the same, Marinette,” Adrien said, narrowing his eyes at her. So he would defend the liar and not his own cousin’s stolen property? How shameful… and utterly expected. “It was just lost and found. If it was important to Felix, he wouldn’t have lost it, would he?”

“I’ve found Markov in lost and found; are you saying that he’s not important?” The Gamer boy’s jaw dropped, before he leveled a glare at Adrien. “And Alix’s skates, and Nathaniel’s sketchbook, and Rose’s perfumes. Are you saying those aren’t important?”

“No!”

“Then why isn’t it important when it’s your cousin’s things?”

“That’s enough!” M. Devereux spoke above her voice. “Students, you are dismissed for lunch. Mlle. Cesaire, Mlle. Rossi, stay. We have something to speak about.” The students hesitated, unsure. “I want this classroom empty now.”

Felix and Marinette escaped in the max exodus, Felix gloating inwardly at the scowl Rossi shot him. It felt good to irritate her. They separated from the class to head towards the bakery.

As soon as they were out of sight, Mariette let out a little giggle. “They didn’t even check it!”

“Shows their average intelligence then, though I wasn’t really expecting them too. I did insinuate that the project was complete, after all. And who proofreads the assignment they stole?” It was a bit tedious, go through their own assignment and altering the dates and names so that only half the timeline was correct, but he considered it well worth the effort.

“So that’s what you two did.” They stopped and turned. Adrien had been following them, a stern scowl on his face. Felix felt Marinette falter at his side. “You deliberately made them fail.”

“Well, I wouldn’t say deliberately.” Felix quickly shielded her with his body. “It was more of a happy accident that they didn’t check. My real plan was to use the binder from the start.” No one buys a binder like that unless they wanted it to be remembered, after all.

“But you still let them turn in a false assignment.”

“That they stole. They didn’t have to steal it. They didn’t have to turn in work that wasn’t theirs. They chose this outcome.” Felix tapped his chin. “Or rather, Rossi chose this.”

“They couldn’t choose anything, they didn’t know anything! Lila was probably just… worried about her grade. If anything, you two should have helped her!”

“If she needed help, she should have met with the teacher. Not steal another person’s assignment. If you must, think of it as a prank. Or karma.”

“It’s not karma when you make other people suffer for her actions!” Adrien snapped. “Now Lila’s probably going to get akumatized again!”

“And how is that our problem? We’re kids, we don’t have to deal with akumas.”

Adrien’s argument seemed to stumble, his eyes growing wide. “C-Chat Noir will have to! I’m just trying to keep down the amount of work the heroes face! Although—” Adrien’s eyes gained a rather cruel glint to them— “You wouldn’t know much about that, would you. In fact, if I remember right, you make their jobs harder.”

Felix failed to hide a wince at the thought of the triple akuma he caused. But before he could return fire, Marinette spoke up from behind him, though her voice was too low to hear.

Adrien frowned. “What was that?”

“I said—” Marinette brushed past Felix, her eyes shining wetly with rage. “That’s a LOW BLOW, Adrien Agreste!!” -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

A/N: Before you leave, I have made a spotify playlist for this fic. You can find it here. Feel free to leave suggestions for the playlist, as it is mostly musical songs at this point (I even surpassed my hatred of Dear Evan Hanson to put a few of those songs on it, so I need suggestions, please). Thank you!

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[destinyc1020]

The fact that there are still antis blows my mind

Like what more proof could they possibly need ???

Girl, the issue was NEVER about proof. The proof was ALWAYS there. 😏 @spidermaninlove has a whole freaking timeline (3 now! Lol 😆....) dedicated to tea and receipts that posted proof for YEARS! In fact, of you look at the original timeline, there's so much proof there that you'll be scrolling for hours lol 😹

It was NEVER about there not being "enough proof". 🙄

When ppl are staunchly against believing smthg, it doesn't matter how much proof you have. They will stick firmly to their deeply-entrenched beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they look and sound....🤪 Or, they will begrudgingly admit that the pair is dating, but will scream from the mountain tops that "they won't last", or that they're "wrong for each other". 🙄😒

The issue was never about proof. There was more than enough proof back in 2017.

The ISSUE is that some ppl just don't want Tom and Zendaya to date each other, let alone even be friends (as I realized earlier this year). 🤷🏾‍♀️

So strange.... 🤪🤡🤡