#even if it was it wouldn't make sasuke romantically interested in sakura

[maoam]

I love how sakura and hinata fans say sns shippers are misogynists for not liking those girls and the ships when really I think me being a man-hating-radical-feminist is what makes me not like them lol. Like I have self respect which is why I don't like someone who's entire purpose is to be a man worshipping housewife from the 1950s with no backbone and doesn't stand up for herself at all (hinata) or someone who's pretty much a male in female form who mimics real creepy male behaviour to a T like constantly harassing someone and trying to force them to like you back despite constant rejects, treating them like a sexual object only, centering yourself around their life and not even actually caring about someone they claim to love (sakura). Also if you take it a step further, I can even say the reason sasuke's my favourite character is bc he's female-coded. Like almost every way he gets treated both by the narrative and by real fans is how a lot of ppl treat real women. (think they know better for him, hating him for being attractive and able to get anyone's attention, hating him for having agency and not caring what ppl think, not caring to follow paths others want him to follow, etc) these are all things that most women get hated on for irl. It also says a lot that most of his haters are male lol, while other male characters with the "coolness" factor like sasuke are still worshipped (like his own brother, kakashi, even naruto). Also gaara getting more popular after he started worshipping naruto and leaving his cool backstory and interesting character behind also proves my point. If sasuke just became a naruto fanboy halfway thru and didn't bother with his revenge and only started loving naruto (not romantically tho, ofc, bc that's gay and we're alpha males who fuck bitches only 😤) he prolly wouldn't be as hated. Just like if sakura switched her affections from sasuke to naruto halfway thru, the dudebros would stop hating her. It's all about naruto worship, and the characters who end up doing that always end up being the shell of the interesting characters they once were (like gaara, hinata was never an interesting character, she's the only one who was meant to be his cock worshipper since the beginning) and that's what makes me hate all dudebros and some female fans who think this too. Like sometimes I start hating naruto myself bc some of the sasuke only stans on tumblr make really good points about how naruto's basically a male power fantasy series. Almost everyone ends up worshipping him, and even sasuke (if you wanna see it that way) ends up doing that. I personally like equal power in relationships so I like to see them as equal in the end, but some ppl who only wanna see their self insert incel mc be worshipped, they can see it that way. Sometimes I only like naruto in sns and sasuke individually, and hate everything else about this series. Anyway that got kinda off topic but yeah.

Sakura also does not stand up for herself when it comes to Sasuke.

Hinata's body language is always timid, but Sakura's becomes one too in the presence of Sasuke. Because she tries to make Sasuke like her, but since she doesn't understand Sasuke she also doesn't understand this is not what Sasuke wants nor needs. Sasuke wouldn't like it either if Naruto acted this pathetic.

Hinata is literally a tradwife dream, she is docile, submissive, doting and her only goal in life is to support Naruto and become Naruto's girlfriend/wife and have his kids. She has no thoughts about anything else. This is what many men want from a woman. It's really pitiful to read/watch people try to come up with something in order to make Hinata look like a decent character. It all comes down to "she liked Naruto since the beginning", "she sacrificed herself for Naruto", "she has had more kids than the other female characters".

I don't know about the use of "female-coded" as a term (I talked about it at one point), I think it's the homoeroticism that largely contributes to this (especially how Sasuke is made to be desirable to both men and women). But I do see where you're coming from. Sasuke does piss off many men but a lot of it is due to incel mentality. Some of it is due to main character entitlement, as in Sasuke takes too big of a chunk out of the manga when it comes to screentime. Ironically, there are many of them who think Sasuke should have been a female character so Naruto's obsession with him wouldn't make them so uncomfortable.

I also find it annoying when so many Sakura videos I watch have men ranting about how Sakura still likes Sasuke despite the fact Naruto saved her. Like you can tell they think a man should be able to buy woman's sexual interest by making her owe them. But thankfully, I have come across also videos that make very good points about her character.

Naruto and Sasuke's fight (or more like the aftermath) annoyed some men because it was physically basically a draw and Naruto even said to Sasuke "this isn't about winning or losing". Sasuke lost to his feelings, basically him admitting defeat was him accepting to be loved by Naruto LMAO no wonder dudebros were mad. Many of them whined because they hated how Kishi had to make it so gay.

Shonen tends to be a male power fantasy. Luffy also gets everyone to fanboy/fangirl him. And shonen mcs usually have one of the worst stans for this reason. It's funny (or not) how the same pattern can be seen in every shonen fandom when it comes to the main character. There are men who self insert into them and act like everything needs to be about them, and bash other characters especially if they take even a little from their mc. Meanwhile there is a subset of women who create this yaoi harem shit around the mc, him as feminine uke bottom that every other guy just wants to rail. And they also might wrote posts on how other characters are irrelevant and boring compared to their beloved mc. It always happens. If it makes you feel better, Naruto always saw Sasuke and Iruka as different from the rest, because he didn't need to prove anything to them, they just cared for him even when he was a loser. And to Naruto, Sasuke is the best in the world. Even to Sarada he started ranting how Sasuke is hot and cool and the best shinobi in the world lol. But yes, I think Gaara and Neji lost some edge of their characters after they were saved by Naruto.

[tamelee]

i just saw a posts about novels that went like

sarada told sasuke he has lipstick stain, sasuke tries to wipes it off and she says he doesn't have one and sakura doesn't wear lipstick.

how do they defend this novels with their lives? it confirms sasuke never kisses sakura and doesn't know if she wears lipstick or not and kisses someone else who wears lipstick. it also confirms naruto likes to wear lipstick XD.

Please. These novels are ridiculous. Kishimoto already confirmed they’ve never kissed in Gaiden. Twice. 

(* something nicer = meant the forehead poke)

Though I wouldn't believe anyone if they said they actually like these novels, because the story (or lack thereof) is complete shit, but it’s fine if they do. A good story isn't the intention unfortunately. I genuinely wish that people understood what exactly it is they are defending. I’m writing a post for someone who asked something regarding canon, but I need to take brakes from it because it pisses me off that this happens constantly to franchises— not just Naruto. 

And in this case it’s even worse, or perhaps it’s just a prime example, because Jun Esaka (writer for some of these novels) made such a fool of herself on twt by making it all too obvious what her intentions were by writing them. (If it wasn’t already obvious.) First, when people pointed out the many flaws, she admitted that it’s “just her story” and “just her interpretation” (she had only read 'Naruto' for the first time a few months before that), but when other ss-shippers started to defend her and said she was a better writer than Kishimoto (as there’s 0 love between SS when he writes), she basked in that glory and went along with it. Even to the point that she completely disrespected Kishimoto, the story, the craft, openly made fun of other characters (mostly Hinata) and ships like NH and demanded her other novels to be animated as well. It’s unprofessional af. And then when fans asked her for a nsfw novel for SS she agreed and told them to harass the company about it. (She didn’t say ‘harass’ exactly, but come on you can’t be that dense given their reputation with staff.)

What are they defending? 

How can you defend anything when the motive is so obviously just personal bias/gain and/or financial profit to a company where both in this case don’t give a shit about the original story. It's not about shipping though, it happens all the damn time to all my favorite franchises and I'm genuinely sick of it. And it's not even about a writer writing about what they want either because I already expected that, but Esaka did her absolute best to try and disprove the bond between Naruto and Sasuke and change narratives completely even for individual cases for the sake of telling her "story". SNS-moments weren’t romantic to her and she quite literally made fun of it by copying them in her story to point out its "irrelevance", but give them to her het-ship and now all of a sudden it is romantic???? She basically calls Kishimoto a liar because ‘Sasuke Retsuden’ in particular is a direct response to ‘Gaiden’ (made by Kishimoto). She blatantly tried to disprove anything he said and indicated about her ship. She wrote about characters that, yes, have the same name as those in ‘Naruto’, but are so out of character it hurts. It took me months to recover my lost braincells. 

I don't think my post about it is still up, but to name a few things in that novel if you're interested: Sasuke resents Naruto and his test-tube daughter because he’d rather travel with Sakura, his wife whom he loves so much. But he has to do stuff just because Hokage Naruto said so and his daughter wants to stay in Konoha so he has no choice but to comply. Being apart from his wife-(did we mention he loves her so much? because he does. so much.)- makes him feel so very lonely and he misses her body so much because he knows it so well. He fails to do anything other than being jealous about the women-deprived prisoners going after the new hot doctor, Sakura, who is his wife btw. that he loves a lot in case you missed it. and he rather stares at trees that remind him of her than helping his friend Naruto who’s apparently dying from his own chakra or whatever kind of bs. Sasuke lets himself be bullied by prison-guards that aren’t even Shinobi, for having long hair and looking like a girl, though Esaka makes sure to mention how so very handsome he is and he looks like a cat. Sasuke loses a battle against an overgrown lizard and tries the same damn jutsu 4 times(!!!!) before realizing it may actually not work, I think because he forgot how to fight, but he can however create anything from ice like Elsa (Frozen), or from dirt like some Gaara-hybrid to make Sakura a ring because he loves her so much ofc… oh and he’s now a healer too. Sasuke sacrifices people’s lives even when it’s not necessary at all bc ig Esaka thinks he's a killer, and also he wouldn’t mind being brought back with Edo Tensei if it means he can stay with Sakura, because fuck everything they’ve been through in the original story, yeah? They also immediately forgive the bad guy cuz he's so relatable even though he just murdered I dunno how many people. SS kiss while an injured Naruto is squished in between them because SS-shippers have some sort of “Naruto has to watch our ship being in love to really make it legit because that’ll learn him for getting in between!”-kink (that's real actually) and according to Esaka, Sasuke is so worried about his daughter and in fact did meet up with them during those 10+ years because he loves them oh-so-much and fuck you Kishimoto that’s why. 

Be so fr right now. It’s such a joke. And these are just the few things on the top of my head that I remembered ;-; ...

Again, what are they defending exactly? It would be nice to just have a genuine fan of the story write an actual story. No other motive other than "I really like the story and would love to explore some options while respecting Kishimoto's work because it'd be fun!" Except, that's unfortunately not very marketable and ffs it's just sad. (I know there's a Kakashi version and I personally really want to know more about his role as Hokage and what he's done etc, but alas.)

[leportraitducadavre]

okay, I’m not a gatekeeper. I swear I’m not. But I genuinely cannot help but be irked when I see a hinata fan latch themselves onto characters like Neji or Sasuke. Pretending like they ~totally~ understand their characters while also horribly misrepresenting them and characterizing them like they’re from a fanfiction. Talking about how noo sasuke would love hinata if he really got to know her! He’s just so cold and unfeeling that a character like hinata could really bring out a nice side to him!1!1!1 Neji is a victim of this too but in a slightly lesser degree as most hinata fans don’t bother to ship them openly as they’re related. But that won’t stop them from characterizing Neji as someone completely and utterly obsessed with hinata to the point he grovels at her feet and is possessive of her like a “big brother.” Because if hinata called him her big brother when he died then that totally makes them siblings! Who cares if neji considers himself that! Hinata said so1!11!1!

god I dunno. Maybe I’m just being selfish in the idea I just want hinata Stans to stay tf away from Neji and Sasuke because if you like hinata and her character, there is absolutely zero chance you will be able to understand Neji or Sasuke.

Well, I don't see an issue with liking a character by itself and proclaiming yourself a fan of the rest (I'm a big fan of Ino Yamanaka and Sasuke Uchiha, two characters that stand in opposite corners thematically), yet this can be sustained as long as we respect their canonical characterizations and understand that not everything about a character is "good" or has to be justified. As for the core of your complaint, I agree, as many of these arguments are sustained on the premise of giving Hinata more relevance (romantically or politically); something that she canonically does not possess and that neither of the two previously mentioned male characters are interested in giving her.

Hinata's sole purpose as a character was based on being Neji's polar opposite during his arc (the Chünin exams are relevant to Neji, not Hinata, who is a supporting character to him) and being Naruto's admirer on certain occasions. That's it, at no point was she even mentioned or observed by Sasuke, and any narrative weight she might have carried disappeared when Neji himself was no longer necessary for Naruto's growth.

Neji's problem isn't just with Hinata (I'm surprised to have to clarify something specifically mentioned in the manga and anime), but with the entire main Hyüga family; which is why his arc doesn't close until Hiashi (not Hinata), apologizes.

As for Sasuke, I wouldn't spend any more time thinking about it since the sole reason for his involvement lies in a desire for romantic reciprocity from the most attractive and powerful character in the manga (at the thought of an offspring with both Byakugan and Sharingan, despite the fact that the Sharingan is infinitely superior to the Byakugan). If with Neji's arc, Hinata possessed almost zero thematic relevance, with Sasuke - with whom she not only never interacts but in his eyes, she's part of the caste he seeks to eradicate, then her incidence is extremely nil.

I've never written a post about SasuHina/HinaSasu, and in part, I refuse because their canonical possibility really is nil, so there's nothing more to analyze than headcanons and fanfictions that have their own rules, which have little to do with Kishimoto's material.

Perhaps in the future, I'll dedicate a post to that pairing discussing some of its more famous theories; like how Hinata, being a character considered by the fandom as "sensitive", could understand and help Sasuke despite the fact that she was never seen comforting or trying to understand any character other than Naruto; going as far as to dismiss her cousin's emotions in order to put herself as a victim of the system on the same level as her cousin, whom her father enslaved.

Hinata being shy is not the same as her being "good" or "sensitive", Sakura used to be shy during her childhood and was bullied for it, yet Hinata stans don't usually consider Sakura to be a good person...

Here are some posts about Hinata and Neji's relationship:

Hinata endorses slavery. A quick explanation of why.

NejiHina or the possibilities of the pairing.

The Hyuga clan. And the Caged Bird Seal. Plus:

Sorry, no, Hinata never hit Pain.

[naruhinalife555]

bullshit



No bitch you totally wrong Naruto not stuck with awufl partner Naruto loves Hinata, my headcanon is that it was hard for Naruto to get anything done when he first became Hokage cause his clones kept going MIA to see Hinata before he switched to controlling them all in real time.

Bitch Kishi never thought about making Naruto and Sasuke together Sasuke didn't even exist until he was suggested by the editor to be Naruto's rival

Instead of blaming Kishi for not developing characters maybe write your own manga what do you say? Hell he couldn't make sasuke and naruto meet because he already created hinata before her character existed before sasuke so the whole narusasu thing makes no sense

simple and easy sasuke is a character suggested by the editor to be naruto's rival if they really had romance and feelings of love for each other kishi wouldn't have them fighting all the time

Who said that the end would be better with Narusasu's couple??? When Kishimoto created Naruto he didn't make him a character that loves boys the fact that Sasuke and Naruto appear in most episodes does not make Sasuke a main character because the main character at least for me is only Naruto and Hinata is his love interest

God help me because in Shifoden Sasuke didn't even appear at least until the arc of the Kage summit so how does he and Naruto have development?? The quest for Sasuke Naruto and Hinata got a moment where Naruto smiles at Hinata

Man, go write a manga before you even give such a stupid review

Really sweet having someone try and rip your heart out when all your trying to do is help them. Who caring feelings for him by dropping me from a few thousand feet and head first into solid bedrock.

Spending years chasing after them only for them to try and plunge a sword into my back and then the next time I see them they say they are going to kill me. 

He would then try and carry out his death threat and we make vows under a great big waterfall by blowing an arm off each and even after everything we’ve been through he will still leave.

Yeah that is what real love, it’s not true in less you want to kill you partner for it. It's starting to get on my nerves all your nonsense Sasuke didn't even want Naruto as a friend because he was in the dark .By the way they both thought about killing each other is this called a healthy relationship?

First of all, Naruhina and Sasusaku are not the same, don't even dare to compare them! No surprise really plus any scenes from shippuden are most bad any way with Sasuke treating Sakura like trash in most of them or her fangirling over him.

and sasunaru not diffrent from sasusaku. It has nothing to do with what you wrote narusasu it just won't work when did naruto and sasuke have feelings for each other? Sasuke literally tried to murder Naruto, is that what you call a healthy relationship? Because if so then your head is screwed up

Are naruto and sasuke so compatible why did naruto cry he was always alone? And he doesn't understand love at all, the proofs are shown in the manga, you don't have to invent it

what? This has nothing to do with homophobia, the author of the series wanted to do something specific and it is completely his right, after all it is a manga for youth At the same time though gay ships tend to be ridiculous and over the top, like you can't have any friendship or brotherhood without people shipping and forcing it and throwing it in other people's faces. It's just ridiculous like even if they ship it they shouldn't act like it should have been when their friendship/sisterhood was never meant to be taken romantically. It really makes it hard to enjoy any same-sex friendships and camaraderie because people will keep pushing it to be canon and start a fuss over it.

All they wanted was to fight each other because Naruto considered Sasuke his best opponent

Both were in pain and loveless

With Hinata Naruto felt happier I don't understand what your problems are??He took care of her and was always there for her their relationship was always positive why do they always have to be toxic couples if naruto and sasuke were gay kishimoto wouldn't think of letting them beat each other up have you thought about that?

What selfishness is in your mind, there is no selfishness here. Naruhina is canon because that's how Kishimoto ran between Naruto and Sasuke. It wouldn't work. Did I say that you want to talk about selfishness? sasuke never thought about naruto's feelings after he left the village and naruto suffered so much that he broke down i think you don't even understand the characters pain

put naruto single??? And what does it matter anyway he was always alone ugh the people in this fandom are so cruel haven't you seen Naruto? He never wanted to be alone

Why doesn't Naruto deserve to be with someone who really supports and loves him? Like what's the wonder he's hiding only Hinata by his side.His moments with Hinata made Naruto feel less pain

[narhinafan]

In all honesty, although NH is my main ship, if NH wasn't the end game couple I'd rather have Naruto be with Sasuke rather than having NaruSaku happen. There was more depth in terms of how their relationship worked (may it be something brotherly/friendly or even more) whereas NaruSaku I'd feel that it's pretty onesided and she could easily manipulate Naruto (Naruto may have been shown to have a crush/liked Sakura but a lot of their interactions were like for comedic relief? And that when he asked her on dates or claim that she's his gf, it eventually felt like it was a running joke/not something to be taken seriously). NaruSaku for me would only be as friends/siblings and nothing more.

When it comes to seeing Naruto as someone treated/respected as an equal/a partner, for me it boils down to having him end up with either Hinata or Sasuke (or could be both, I honestly support a throuple ship for NaruHinaSasu)

There was also potential that Sasuke and Hinata could have a good relationship with each other, Sasuke could've appreciated Hinata's quiet nature as he's similar in a sense, and there were other things he could relate to her (in terms of their clans/doujutsu/relationship with their siblings). He'd also most likely appreciate her during their time in the academy as the only one who didn't "fangirl" around him.

I recall a couple of months back that someone brought back the argument that Sasuke cared more about Hinata over Sakura during that scene in the Momoshiki invasion arc to have him personally reassure her about Naruto (there was also a speculation that when Hinata went back to try to help Naruto, it could've been Sasuke who saved her - although we couldn't confirm this as they didn't show Hinata's fight - which still makes me bitter to this day)

It would've made a lot of sense if Team 7 had been Naruto, Hinata, and Sasuke (I've read several fics with these 3 in the same team) as I could see the potential that these 3 could have supported each other equally (compared to how Sakura was in the past that she was solely focused on Sasuke and didn't care all that much about Naruto). The 3 of them carrying their own burdens could also make them more understanding of each other's circumstances. Like they could relate and help each other in a sense. And to think that by the end of Naruto it was shown that NHS had been linked to powerful Otsutsukis, they could've made a powerhouse trio if it was explored more. Hinata could even have easily taken over Sakura's role as a medic nin (and she actually could have been a more suitable candidate because of her Byakugan) if only it had been developed more in the story.

Your asks are way too long.

Neh I only see Naruto and Sasuke as friends and brothers I can never see them in a romantic light. How some fans react to ship any same sex friendship like crazy even when they are just meant to be friends really put me off same sex shipping. I would rather each of them be alone rather then either get with Sakura but still good friends enjoying the bachelor life. Though I do feel kind of sad that Naruto wouldn't get a family with Hinata since it was end game like you said I feel that Hinata was always meant to give Naruto the family he never had and hence would never be alone again when he grow up.

Your right most of Sakura and Naruto's interactions is for comic relief and most of the anime scene only cause a script writer was heavily bias towards NaruSaku. In the manga Naruto shows little interest in Sakura his crush only coming up when it involves Sasuke either when he is competing with him or when Sasuke turned her down. His crush was never serious and mostly cause of his rivalry with Sasuke.

I do believe Sasuke could get along really well if Hinata, but the way the manga is set up it just isn't possible. When Sasuke was in the village he just didn't interact with Hinata at all nor would he. The only way they could get close is if Hinata got with Naruto earlier and hence she would interact with Sasuke. Even after he returned the village Sasuke has never interacted with Hinata much cause he is usually travelling even though she is married to Naruto who he is close with.

I recall a couple of months back that someone brought back the argument that Sasuke cared more about Hinata over Sakura during that scene in the Momoshiki invasion arc to have him personally reassure her about Naruto (there was also a speculation that when Hinata went back to try to help Naruto, it could've been Sasuke who saved her - although we couldn't confirm this as they didn't show Hinata's fight - which still makes me bitter to this day)

Yeah it was one of the issues I have with SasuSaku as Sasuke gives Naruto's family more attention then his own. I don't think Sasuke saved her I feel it was more that Hinata fought them while Sasuke protected the kids and go injured then Momoshiki fled since he had Naruto.

It would've made a lot of sense if Team 7 had been Naruto, Hinata, and Sasuke (I've read several fics with these 3 in the same team) as I could see the potential that these 3 could have supported each other equally (compared to how Sakura was in the past that she was solely focused on Sasuke and didn't care all that much about Naruto). The 3 of them carrying their own burdens could also make them more understanding of each other's circumstances. Like they could relate and help each other in a sense. And to think that by the end of Naruto it was shown that NHS had been linked to powerful Otsutsukis, they could've made a powerhouse trio if it was explored more. Hinata could even have easily taken over Sakura's role as a medic nin (and she actually could have been a more suitable candidate because of her Byakugan) if only it had been developed more in the story.

Yeah team 7 works better with Hinata in the picture as the overall dynamics would just be better original team 7 was a train wreak with only Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry really holding it together. As a team they never really hung out cause Sakura was a fangirl while Naruto and Sasuke were at odds. Hinata would have bridged that gap Sasuke wouldn't turn down a kind character like Hinata easily and if he was too harsh Naruto would defend her and would likely feel guilt and give in so the team would end up hanging out more. The Otsutsukis plot would have worked so much better with Hinata since all of team 7 would be related to them, even Kakashi during the final fight has part of their power thanks to Obito giving him the sharingan and his chakra having six paths powers from when he had the ten tails.

[sneezemonster15]

How do you think does Konoha view same-sex relationships?

Not favourably. Now this is shounen, so it's not as explicit as you would want to see. But it doesn't have to be. Before OTT platforms provided more freedom and patronage to creators, majority of mainstream media wouldn't acknowledge same sex relationships as frequently as they do now. Homosexuality would be shown as something to mock or laugh at, for comic purposes. That would be the extent of gay representation. However, it does indicate that same sex relationships do exist in their world, no matter how they are portrayed.

Kishi couldn't have been so overt about the shinobi world as a homophobic world, but it is nonetheless. We have seen Naruto's own oft portrayed homophobic tendencies because of his closetedness, his struggle to accept his sexuality. You can see comphet in his behaviour consistently, as written by Kishi. Which is another indicator of his repressed homosexuality. If Konoha was a more progressive society, he wouldn't have felt the need to repress so much, now would he? If there were examples or gay role models for Naruto to look upto, he would have felt more comfortable in his skin. But he doesn't. Shinobi world is a reflection of the real world, and modern Japanese society is homophobic at large, even if things are changing, albeit very slowly. But it doesn't take away from the fact that their society still stigmatises homosexuality. In the manga, heterosexual romantic relationships are taken as a given, like any other heterosexual media. But the biggest proof that shinobi world is not very welcoming towards gay relationships, is the fact that Naruto is still closeted, even after Shippuden. As in he knows but hasn't come out. He couldn't. Sasuke doesn't care about social mores, never did, he doesn't have many compunctions towards living his truth. But he adjusted for Naruto's sake. But it's different for Naruto, he never had a family to ground himself. There is more than one reason for Naruto to still be closeted, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he represses his homosexuality because he knows he would be made to feel guilty about it, like he has felt his entire life. And more importantly, he can't break his promise to his mother, that he would find a girl to marry, like most mothers in a traditional society would expect from their sons.

There are a few indicators in the manga that give us an insight into the shinobi world pertaining to people's attitudes towards homosexuality.

Jiraiya's forceful statement about how he is not into men and Naruto's startled response is another layered hint at Naruto's closeted homosexuality, Kishi does this very consistently. This scene could easily be forgotten under the pretext of comedy, but red herrings like this one are written very consistently by Kishi, make no mistake, it's a super deliberate attempt at giving information about Naruto's sexuality.

Jiraiya, a very straight man, is offended at the mere idea of being interested in men.

This is another panel that says something about shinobi world's attitudes towards homosexuality, even something as innocent as carrying an injured shinobi makes people uncomfortable.

Well, we know that Sakura is borderline homophobic and it totally gels with her shallow, self absorbed personality as portrayed consistently by Kishi. She already showed her discomfort at Gai carrying Kakashi in the previous panel, but Kishi had to make Sakura repeat her sentiment of extreme discomfort at the 'disturbing' imagery in front of her. Lol.

It's also very funny to me because like, shinobi world has no CARS or mediums of transport, so how the fuck are they gonna carry injured people around anyway? Like??

Gai is already shown to carry an injured Sasuke, Kakashi is shown to have carried an injured/exhausted Naruto on his back. Like how else are they supposed to do it?

So it's pretty normal for shinobis to carry people on their backs. But Kishi decided he wanted to make it funny with Kakashi and Gai, by creating an uncomfortable situation with comedic overtones, but also managed to say something about the general attitude of people towards homosexuality.

Someone as stoic as Kakashi isn't immune either.

Naruto, who has already been established as a closeted gay boy, shows his homophobic tendencies again when Kakashi compliments him after his Rasenshuriken training session, which is clearly without any ulterior motive. But well, Naruto is closeted, so he gets panicky and nervous at even an innocent compliment that he interprets as homosexual interest. Again, Kishi gives us information about Naruto's sexuality, but hides it under the garb of comedy. But Kakashi's own conciliatory response (that he didn't mean it 'that' way) shows his attitude towards homosexuality. Doesn't seem like Konoha normalizes same sex relationships.

Then we have this. Lol. Tayuya has such a pottymouth, lolol.

Yeah, the term is used as an insult in the ninja world. Quite like the real world.

Tobirama also got his panties in a twist when he saw Hashirama hanging out with Madara, and he couldn't take it. Now it's not made apparent or overtly shown by Kishi that he did it out of homophobia. But what's clear is that Hashirama and Madara's relationship is homoerotic/romantic, and Tobirama is a bigoted, narrow minded individual who couldn't find a sliver of happiness in his own brother's happiness. I can imagine him to be homophobic, it gels with his characterisation.

So yeah, the shinobi world is a reflection of the real world as seen through Kishi's lens and he implicitly portrayed this world as not very open to same sex relationships.

[captnjacksparrow]

Team Minato is what Team 7 should've been if Naruto and Sasuke are only friends, Sakura is not an annoying asshole and Naruto is romantically attracted to Sakura. Only then will they become a great team who cares about each other.

Sasuke would be like Kakashi, indifferent towards Naruto and Sakura but still care about them as his comrades.

Sakura would be like Rin, who still loves Sasuke but she wouldn't be obsessed with him and she will be a great friend to Naruto.

Naruto would be like Obito, who genuinely like Sakura romantically and become Sasuke's rival but he will still care about him as a comrade.

Like you said in one of your posts, Naruto is similar to Obito, Sasuke is similar to Kakashi and Sakura would be Rin if she was intended as a likeable character who loves Sasuke but still care about Naruto as a friend.

BUT since that's not what Kishimoto intended, then I'm fine with what he gave us, even though Team 7 is a poor excuse of a team in Narutoverse because of their hidden agendas and priorities.

I just found interesting. What are your thoughts?

"Team Minato is what Team 7 should have been" is such a truer words...

Look at this panel.

Sasuke, just like Kakashi, acts like he doesn't care about anyone.

Sakura, just like Rin, conveys her interest on Sasuke (Kakashi).

Naruto, just like Obito, conveys his interest on Sakura (Rin).

This is it. You have everything set up. All the Author has to do is to expand the story with this dynamics as foundation and we would've gotten a whole different story... Believe me, I too thought that this story would go that way...

But what did he do?? He literally subverted the trope that he set up in that same chapter...

He made that Accidental Kiss between N and S.

He established Sakura to be an Annoying and Insensitive Asshole. As Compared to Rin's Compassionate Behaviour.

He established Sasuke as someone who cares about Naruto. As Compared to Kakashi's indifference towards both his teammates.

He established Naruto as someone who likes Sakura because of her love/ obsession towards Sasuke. As Compared to Obito's love towards Rin which was purely out of the Acknowledgement she gave him many times and a certain attraction.

So yes, I think this Team Minato dynamics was what the Author used as an Illusion, from the very beginning, in order to make the Audience to deliberately fall into a trap that they could never come out... Like that part of fandom who goes gung-ho about Team 7.

And he secretly ended up giving that Dynamics to Kakashi by Chapter 16 itself.

Very Clever move from the Author, Indeed.

[fuckishimoto]

Hinata is the archetype of the girl who was created only to be the MC’s obligatory love interest taken to the most toxic conclusion possible. The character encourages a negative mindset that consists of worrying obsessively about things you can’t control and doing nothing about things you can control. You can’t control whether your crush returns your feelings; Hinata pines for a guy she hardly knows from the time she’s in kindergarten till she’s grown. You can’t control whether your family members have bad attitudes; Hinata spends years being depressed because she craves and isn’t getting her family’s shallow approval. She fights Neji (and loses), her dad apparently gives her an E for effort and accepts her again, and that’s enough for her. If you don’t like being weak, you can work to become stronger; Hinata doesn’t do this, just complains about being too weak to get the external validation and romantic love she wants. If your cousin is being enslaved for your benefit, you can at least voice your opposition to his enslavement; Hinata doesn’t do this because she doesn’t care about the clan’s practices. Fans don’t want to believe she’s that lousy of a person, so they claim there wouldn’t have been a point in her speaking up about slavery because maybe her father wouldn’t have listened to her and she, as a child, couldn’t have solved the issue of slavery single-handedly. For Hinata to voice opposition to an oppressive practice would be ridiculous, but trying to get killed in a ��fight” with a supervillain that she knew she had no chance of winning wasn’t ridiculous at all; in fact, it’s amazing writing. I used to like her, but i can’t stomach her character after looking at it critically; it’s so toxic and weird and pointless.

If we're talking about the shonen genre, Sakura is the more stereotypical love interest for MC, tsundere, comedic violent with the MC, emotional, whines, cries and yells in equal amount, insecure in some way, not very useful, gets saved by MC a lot. Female characters like Hinata are usually the side love interest, shy/quiet/submissive/no confidence, a doormat, worship the MC, blushes a lot, looks helpless and pathetic. A lot of the times, the mangaka have no interest in these two archetypes, they created them because that's part of the shonen formula.

About Hinata worrying things that are out side of her control, and do not work on herself, the first part also applies to naruto, he's obsessed with if he's popular, if sasuke acknowledged him, how people viewed and treated him, things that he had no control. the difference is naruto worked on himself and became stronger. He's the MC so he got to make progress and achieve, Hinata didn't get that, she got to say naruto kun because she's just a minor love interest. I don't think hinata was written to encourage toxic mindset, it's just that her character was not meant to have progress, she's created to let boys feel good about the prospect of having a fangirl, a cheerleader, someone who would admire and validate them.

Hinata stans are similar to Naruto stans, they always argue there's no point to them speaking up or trying to make changes happen, they wouldn't make any difference (even when Naruto is the hokage), because their stans do not care about things outside their little fantasy with getting a man/a girl and a good life, everything else outside themselves is meaningless and pointless to them

[thefairyletters]

NaruSaku Fanfics

I wouldn't say much – I love NaruSaku and I hate to see great works shadowed behind the piles of popular NS stories that I never have liked as much except for a few, which also I'll drop below in the list.

I'll update this list whenever I come across a story that I particularly enjoy or finds worth spreading word across. So be sure to like and reblog this post so you can revisit it to add new story in your reading pile later.

Also, genres vary and are not mentioned, but does it make any difference as long as the story is good?

Warning: super long post featuring beautiful, beautiful stories that you wouldn't regret reading. I swear. I'm positive. Contains SNS and other side pairings.

Without further ado;

How I fell in love with my best friend: Krapo || ff.net || M || complete

How the little blond boy Sakura had always known had changed, changing as well her feelings. The unfolding of their life, while Naruto worked to become the best Hokage and she faced her own emotions. Growing Love.

(I have nothing but upmost reverence for this story. This author writes one of the nest NS and I have loved all. NS is beautiful and Sakura is badass. Everything we already know is here and more.)

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Dangerous infiltration mission: Krapo || ff.net || M || complete

Naruto and Sakura are send by the Hokage for a difficult infiltration mission. They will have to face more than just the danger itself as they will have to keep their cover to be fake husband and wife credible. how it will impact the relationship between the two ninja. Growing Love. Misunderstanding.

(If you loved the aforementioned story, you'll love this one too. Mutual pining.)

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All over again: Krapo || ff.net || M || post-war || complete

Sasuke come back, Team seven is reunited. But Sakura has lost Naruto. How will she make him fall in love with her again? What other difficulties lies ahead of them?

(Naruto loses memory. SasuSaku angst but not in romantic sense and I loved it all. Misunderstanding and more mutual pining. And I'm in love with this story too.)

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Hit the floor running: Sakurablossom009 || A03 || M (but unnecessary) || Modern Hitman/Robbers AU || complete

Life was going great, Sakura thought. She was penniless, stranded in Europe without a way home, her fiancee had just dumped her for another woman AND her new companion was quite possibly a thief. How could things get any worse? Wait...was that guy pointing a gun at her?

(Now, personally, I don't prefer modern AU, but this story really had interesting characterisation and more character depth. NaruSaku is pretty spot on. It also features SasuHina and bamf!Hinata)

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The greatest pretenders: snowyseas || ff.net || M || Borutoverse || ongoing

Fifteen years is a long time to not talk to someone you consider your best friend, and is made even more difficult when they (and you) are married. The things Sakura should have confronted Naruto about never came to fruition, but as an old saying goes, "the truth will always be revealed".

(Your typical I-made-a-wrong-choice-but-now-can-be-done story but unlike many other stories in this they don't admit their love for each chapter at the first chapter itself. In fact, it feels so canon and you can almost superimpose it upon the canon. Sakura is mentally strong and knows what's right. )

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He was the sun: SavageTrickster || ff.net || T || Canonverse || ongoing

He had come a long way - from a lonely orphan ostracized by everyone to a loved hero. He deserved all these. His Hokage dream to come true. All the ramen he could eat. - Her eyes fell on a certain Hyuuga seated close enough for accidental touches. Her heart sank a little at a harsh whisper of reminder - And a deserving girl...who could give him all her love.

(So far so good. It's ongoing, and is at chapter 3. Sakura leaves Konoha much like how Naruto did, to explore the world aka seeing my headcanon in writing.)

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Wilderness: Kanji no Sakka || M || canondivergent || ongoing

As the war screeches to a temporary halt, Naruto leaves the battlefield on a unique mission only he can complete. Sakura is ordered to go with him. In the days that follow their bond is changed forever.

(Although I hate any explicit stories that involve characters below age 17, I give this a pass because of the uniqueness of plot and characterisation. It has fine lemons that comes with a good plot.)

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How It Should Have Been: OfPaintAndOil || ff.net || T || canon divergent || oneshot

It wasn't supposed to be this way. Sasuke was supposed to be the dark one, the unredeemable one. Naruto was the bright one, the good one. It wasn't supposed to be like this, with blood on his hands and glowing red eyes and a grin. Naruto was supposed to make everything better, and maybe he did, in the end, but Sakura had never expected the end to look quite like this.

(Featuring Yandere!Naruto. It leaves you wanting for more and is a fascinating read. It's dark themed so proceed with caution as your favorite character might or might not be dead.)

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The Best Dates are the Cheap Ones: Shivakashi || ff.net || T || post!Timeskip || Oneshot

The whole point was to get the best date; that meant the richest and classiest guy, right? Sakura realizes what she has taken for granted and Ino learns a lesson in value.

(Sakura learns her lesson and snatches her boy. InoNaru is worth noting. Not the best characterisation of Sakura but bear with her jealousy for that is the reason why NS fluff exists. Story itself is very light and entertaining.)

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mangoes and strawberries: ohthelinsanity || ff.net || T || postwar || oneshot

Sakura Haruno was elbow deep in Naruto Uzumaki's guts when he asked her to marry him. It was so not the right time. But she still said yes.

(This story just screams NS upon every single line. Diabetes warning. Too cute for this world. One of the best NS fluff I've read thus far. It kinda sticks to you forever!)

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18 minutes, 23 seconds: ohthelinsanity || ff.net || T || postwar || oneshot

in which Naruto asks Sakura about that time she literally reached into his chest and grabbed his heart with her bare hand.

(Heartwarming. We all know how Sakura held Naruto's heart on her palms and how we love that moment. This is memory of that moment reminisced by our cutie pies.)

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One Big Uzumaki Family: John Smith || ff.net || T || postwar || Complete

A set of drabbles revolving around Naruto, Sakura, and their children. It turns out that, when the war ends, these two get busy. Real busy.

(IF YOU DON'T READ THIS MASTERPIECE HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF NS FAN?!!! READ!!! This story should be on the top of your reading list.

UNDERRATED AF!

R e a d t h i s s t o r y and cry with me for this should have been canon. 100%)

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My Life Would Suck Without You: peanutbutter126 || ff.net || T || oneshot collection

Sometimes it's the smallest things that matter the most.

(Read this and then One big Uzumaki family. You'll feel super satisfied. I promise.)

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Colors and Carousels: Folle Sakura || ff.net || T || oneshot

She couldn't count the number of times she'd been mistaken for Naruto's girlfriend. Not that she minded. But Naruto acted like it was so… so… offensive.

(No words for this one. Just read and enjoy the confusion.)

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Let's Get Married: luvtoshi || ff.net || M || postwar || complete

It was supposed to be a simple solution to their immediate problems. But maybe they took more than they can chew?

(This is one of my few favorites that is also popular. Spot on characterization and beautiful relationship growth. This is one of the few stories that always stuck to me.)

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Chasing Smoke with Bare Hands: soulaire || ff.net || T || oneshot

"I could have loved her," Sasuke says flatly. "If she'd just given me the chance—" "Sakura gave you all the chances in the world," Kakashi cuts in, stern. "You underestimated her. And you underestimated her ability to walk away from you. At the core of it all, that's where things went wrong."

(This story is for those who loves both SS and NS but thinks Sakura deserves happier life than what she got in canon. Features NS and slight SS.)

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Touch: ohthelinsanity || ff.net || T || oneshot

Kakashi watches as his student grow to be more physically comfortable with one another. He finds it kinda ridiculous.

(Fluff. Feelings. Kakashi's fed up and might have diabetes from all the observation.)

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Moonlight shadows: luvtoshi || ff.net || T || oneshot

Sometimes, the moon brings out hidden feelings to the surface.

(Beautiful literature. NS feels. You can almost mistake it for canon with the way characters are written.)

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Seriously Serious: Damsel in Shining Armor || ff.net || T || modern AU || oneshot

He confessed to her when they first met. He confessed to her years after. He confessed to her almost everyday. Her response was almost always positive... So why the heck was he still single? "I love you." "Love you too. So is Sasuke-kun taken or not?"

(The only reason why I even picked this story is that it is a oneshot. I have very little interest in modern AU. But this one makes another exception. Pining. Love at first sight.)

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It was always you: luvtoshi || ff.net || M || postwar || complete

The war is long over. They have both grown. Now it's time to conclude their story. Naruto and Sakura.

(You know what, all stories from this author are just, Chef's kiss. )

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A Safe Pair of Hands: Kanji no Sakka || ff.net || T || oneshot

Sakura heeds a stern warning to make it clear how she feels about Naruto.

(Feels. You'll love this if you like first person pov. This story told from Sakura's pov.)

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Other Dreams: tricksie || ff.net || M || oneshot

"Naruto, you shouldn't endanger yourself—" "Stop it," he snapped. Dropping his arm to hook under her seat, Naruto pulled her firmly onto his hip, locking her to him. Sakura gasped, suddenly aware of just how very close they were.

(Sexual tension. Romance. Leaves you wanting. Also, high on feels and lust on equal measure.)

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Heaven Unexpected: Folle || ff.net || M || oneshot

Because nothing can happen; it's Naruto. He always comes back. He's practically indestructible.

(Heavy on feels. There are chances that it might rain. Actually there are high chances. But oh well, it's beautiful and one of my favourites so here it goes.)

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Shade of the Leaf: Ravyn || ff.net || T || canon divergent || complete

Sasuke is back. Naruto has joined ANBU. Sakura is spending more time in the hospital than in the field. Team 7 struggles to redefine itself, because sometimes you don't know what you really want after all.

(Featuring Mature but still in-character!Naruto, Badass!Sakura, (Bit)Supportive!Sasuke along with Team 7 friendship. Mutual pining. Ending but with a lot loose ends.)

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Breaking Up Isn't that Hard to Do: Narf-for-the-Garthoc || ff.net || T || oneshot

This is not an epic tale of action, suspense and true love. Yeah, I'm disappointed, too.

(This is pure comedy. With a dash of romance. And insanity.)

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Steamy Encounters: Narf-for-the-Garthoc || ff.net || T || oneshot

A flurry of coincidences and fateful machinations bring Naruto and Sakura together at the local baths. Can they rein in their animal passions? And do you really think that's the kind of story I write?

(Just r e a d. Please.)

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Garden of Sanctuary: Nes Mikel || ff.net || T || Canon divergent || oneshot

An alternate ending to Naruto. The Heavens describe the Garden a peaceful paradise. The Hells describe the Garden a baneful prison. In here... which is it?

(This is part of a series which you can follow from the author's profile. This is the second part, but can be read exclusively. As far as the AU goes, this story and settings is brilliant and heartbreaking. This is told from Naruto's pov. To look at things from Sakura's, read the first part. It is multi-chaptered.)

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Complications: Geno Calamari || ff.net || T || canon divergent || oneshot

While capturing the Kyuubi, Uchiha Itachi finds true adversaries in the form of Haruno Sakura and Uzumaki Naruto.

(Wanna see NaruSaku teamwork? This is it! You wouldn't find it anywhere better. Strong!Naruto, Strong!Sakura versus Itachi Uchiha)

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Life is a waving feather: jusrecht || AO3 || T || AU || oneshot

Everyone thought they were inevitable.

(There's beauty in subtlety and this is that. Also, mentions of character death.)

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Home: kirabook || AO3 || T || AU || complete

Shinachiku finds himself in a strange place with little to no explanation. Everyone he knows is there, but why are they acting so strangely? Why do they seem so different? And where is his home? 

(Cute and heartwrenching at the same time. Cameo Stalker. Read this for NS family feels pre-marriage.)

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Things we never say: thekatthatbarks || AO3 || T || oneshot

She wished she knew how to hold things lightly. There were some things she was terrified of breaking. Whether it be from an honest misstep or simply because she could.

(Reminds you why we love NS so much.)

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Open seasons: sazzafraz || AO3 || T || SNS || postwar || oneshot

The way Sasuke comes home is less myth and more devastatingly embarrassing happenstance.

(Featuring badass!Sakura, obedient!Naruto and normal!Sasuke, as well as Sakura's commentary on her life)

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Five things Sakura will never tell Naruto: sowell || AO3 || T || AU || oneshot

Kunoichi know how to keep their secrets.

(NS relationship analysis story.)

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Artistic purposes: StormyInk || AO3 || M || AU || Oneshot

Sai finds his favorite drawing subjects a bit lacking of late, and he sets a plan into motion to draw his team mates together. Simply for the sake of his art, of course.

(Aka Sai is fed up from seeing his teammates dancing around each other and decides to help them get laid–the story. You gotta admit Sai is the best wingman.)

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I collect my tears (so I can drown you in them): amako || AO3 || T || AU || complete

The hardest thing is letting go. Or Sakura sees Naruto falling in love with Shikamaru a little more every day, and she does the only thing she can think of. Then it's only a matter of learning how to stop loving Naruto.

(Sakura and Angst that has nothing to do with Sasuke. Featuring Sakura-sensei. And Shikamaru. It's a great story if you know when to let go of canon)

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Stranger than the wild: kiddattwell || AO3 || M || SNS || postwar || Ongoing

The war is over and Sasuke is home for good, but Sakura can't choose between the boys she loves. Sasuke still has his demons and Naruto still fights them and Sakura still follows them both, but this time down a path that none of them expected.

(This is canon. It is the best SNS story I've ever read. Story told in SNS POV in rotation. Slow burn, pining and relationship complication. YOU GOTTA READ THIS, I INSIST!!!! Also features SaiIno and InoShika.)

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Bringing Back Sasuke: Blue Jeans || ff.net || T || post war || oneshot

Naruto brings Sasuke back to Sakura. Many, many times over. Sasuke does not appreciate; not the blood and definitely not the angst.

(I've read this story multiple times and it gets funnier and makes your heart hurt and swell simultaneously each time. NaruSaku wouldn't be blissfully happy together without Sasuke thrown somewhere in the mix, that's exactly why I love SNS. This story perfectly represents the dynamic of team 7.)

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Yurei: Kanji no Sakka || ff.net || T || AU || oneshot

The past should stay dead and buried, but it won't if Naruto can't let go.

(Not exactly my favourite story, but I liked the concept. We all know how stubborn Naruto is once decides on something. If he wants to become Hokage, he will become Hokage. If he believes in Sasuke, he will believe in him forever. If he loves Sakura, he will marry her – uh, or should have, very OCC of him that he didn't.)

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[southsidestory]

This got me thinking in the tvote universe

If hinata didn't exist who would you think could have been with Naruto and the same for sakura .

The only one who he showed an interest other than her was his crush on sakura but that wasn't nowhere deep and sakura would still not like him romantically even if sasuke existed or not . My bet would be ayame loll

As for sakura I don't know she was never interested in rock lee and Naruto romantically just platonically and morio I don't think she even saw his face properly .

Id say she would mp not fall in love like shizune .

It's probably because in Naruto you fall in love once or not once in a lifetime . That's why I said this .

Sasuke might love masami cause he as you yourself said he felt something mildly romantic for her but I can't say the same for sakura . Matter of perspective

I fully agree that Sakura wouldn't be with anyone had Sasuke not been in the picture. She falls in love with him despite the many, many reasons that being together is a terrible idea lol

I don't generally ascribe to the belief that all characters in Naruto fic can only have relationships with their canon love interests. This is, after all, fanfiction.

But with the TVOTE 'verse in particular, I just can't see it. Part of that is because of Sakura's dedication to the cause. She's a teenage girl who's gotten wrapped up in a rebellion, and her focus is largely fixed on fighting for a more equitable Konoha. Without the sort of fierce, passionate, overwhelming love that she feels for Sasuke, I truly can't imagine her putting her efforts into a relationship. And there's no other character I can picture making her feel that way.

Regarding Sasuke, I don't think he could ever love anyone the way he loves Sakura. But without Sakura there to tempt him to stray from his duty, he would have married Masami. Sasuke is the kind of man who would try very hard to be a good father and husband, even to a wife he hadn't chosen. He does like Masami, and they are quite compatible in certain ways. In different circumstances (i.e. without Sakura), I could see them having a functional partnership, mutual affection, and equal dedication to their children. Which, over time, could grow into love... just not the kind of intense, once-in-a-lifetime love he shares with Sakura in TVOTE.

As in canon, Naruto's crush on Sakura in TVOTE starts out shallow. It strengthens into something more substantial over time--but that's mostly Naruto confusing their very loving platonic friendship for deep romantic feelings. Once he gets together with Hinata, he can see the difference.

Thanks for the ask, anon!

(FYI to anyone reading this, I now have anonymous asks turned off, but you're free to send TVOTE questions from your blog <3 )

[keepyourlife]

Yeah I get your point with Sakura, but probably the only time she could beat his ass is when he doesn't fight back. The author didn't really want strong female characters.

The thing is wished Sakura stopped wanting Sasuke, like that at the end of Naruto she would have moved on. The way she was treated was horrible. I mean they could develop her feelings for him in the novel and buroto.

thing is, you're right. yes, sasuke would of course be able to easily defeat sakura. and that's on kishimoto and his fear of female characters being stronger than the male ones.

your point about her letting go of her feelings for sasuke?? you're so right. see, the reason i was happy they ended up together was nostalgia. i remember watching naruto as a little kid and really liking sakura, as i kind of identified with her. and when the anime showed us that sasuke and sakura were sharing some could-be-romantic moments, i loved that. (before anyone comes for me: i was 7, "toxic" wasn't something i knew. i literally just wanted my favourite character to end up with her love interest) so from that standpoint, i was happy. sakura of course deserves better. the shit sasuke put her through, all of them, but sakura AND THEIR DAUGHTER especially, is enough reason for her to just. dump him, really. if they made a storyline of it, them working through the whole part where sarada grew up without a father, how sakura was basically a single mom who didn't even know if her husband was still alive or where he was. how he literally tried to kill her once. like, a forehead tap is not gonna make that okay. (shoutout to itachi) then yea, please. but for that to happen, the authors would have to recognise that they're reducing a female character to being a mother & always forgiving her husband because sHe LovES hIM.

i don't like what they did to hinata. like, overall, but especially in boruto. the real tragedy are female characters in shonen anime, i feel like.

and, let's be real, kishimoto's tendency to just make all kunoichi medical-nins pissed me off at some point. like, with sakura it made sense. team 7 at some point all had their individual teachers (naruto had jiraya, sakura had tsunade, sasuke had. well. orochimaru) and sakura becoming the best in the field? makes sense. she wanted to be able to be with her teammates, but she also realised that she wouldn't be able to be as strong in fighting as they were. so she found another way, by working her ass off, cause she didn't have a freaking god inside of her, or a sharingan/rinnegan. but like,, i recently watched the episode of obito's death and yea, of course they made the only female character in the team the medical-nin. same with team konohamaru. i get it, boruto is the protagonist, he's the fighter, then you have mitsuki and sarada. and of course the med is sarada. ("she has her mom's talents" shut up shut up shut up, girls don't have to always be like their mothers)

and oof, yeah topic boruto and how sakura and sasuke are shown there. listen, i watch that anime for sarada, sasuke and sakura. that's just a fact. i love the og team 7 and i LOVE sarada. i think it's nice that one of the main characters is a glasses-wearing uchiha, that thank god isn't male for once. love that boruto is looking up to sasuke, while sarada wants to be like naruto. (and i swear, if that one doesn't end up with sarada becoming hokage)

[bloomingtalent]

cc-sasuke: Naruto (fandom), SasuHina (ship), Hinata (character)

001 | Send me a fandom and I will tell you my:

Favorite character: Sasuke hands down!

Least Favorite character: Hmm...I think that is probably Danzo

5 Favorite ships (canon or non-canon): 1. Sasuhina 2.Minakushi 3.Narusaku 4.TemaShika (though I don't ship them as much as the others) 5.ObiRin

Character I find most attractive: Sasuke lol

Character I would marry: If I had too...perhaps either Sasuke or (Naruto)

Character I would be best friends with: Idk...maybe Tenten or Hinata

a random thought: I have always wondered where Kabuto's loyalties lay, particularly because he attempted to kill Sasuke but saved Hinata during the Chuunin Exams.

An unpopular opinion: I really wanted Sasuke to go through with his revolution and see how it'd change everyone's lives, at least in an OVA or something.

My Canon OTP: Narusaku! (I know they aren't canon now but they have been hinted at in canon a lot).

My Non-canon OTP: Sasuhina.

Most Badass Character: Sakura! (Sasuke is a given but I wanted my answers to be different lol)

Most Epic Villain: Idk...I always thought Orochimaru was creepy, especially in part one

Pairing I am not a fan of: Naruhina/Sasusaku

Character I feel the writers screwed up (in one way or another): So many tbh but I will go with Hinata cause she had so much potential

Favourite Friendship: Narusasu, even with their flaws

Character I most identify with: I think Hinata, minus the love interest

Character I wish I could be: Hmmm...maybe Tenten or Sakura, ignoring some of her flaws.

002 | Send me a ship and I will tell you:

When I started shipping them: Before part 2 came around and because of one image I saw of them lol

My thoughts: I feel that even if they wouldn't have ended up together, they could have been good friends, particularly in childhood and bond over the fact that they are ignored by their father and in shadow of their sibling.

What makes me happy about them: That there are so many subtle similarities between them and there was never any negativity concerning them.

What makes me sad about them: That they haven't spoken to each other at all!

Things done in fanfic that annoys me: I think I've seen a few fics that make Hinata bolder than she really is and it irks me cause she doesn't need to be like that to make the dynamic work.

Things I look for in fanfic: Good canon representation, slight horror as well, whether AU or not.

My wishlist: I have too many but the main one I have atm is Sasuke actually killing Naruto and becoming Hokage and Hinata trying to deal with this and whether she'd try to oppose him as others have tried.

Who I’d be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other: For Sasuke...I think maybe with someone who doesn't just blindly love him but actually sees him more than handsome so perhaps some unknown girl/civilian even (I don't ship Sasukarin really). As for Hinata, I think...maybe Lee (or Kiba) would be nice? Because they would pay attention to her more than Naruto would imo.

My happily ever after for them: I think Hinata will stay true to her words and stop chasing Naruto while Naruto helps Sasuke get justice (with either Sasuke or Naruto as Hokage) and they could meet when the branch member seals are being abolished and so, start getting closer to being acquainted. Time will then, do the rest.

003 | Give me a character & I will tell you:

How I feel about this character: I feel she had a lot of potential with Kishi not giving her enough attention and SP giving the wrong kind of attention to her.

Any/all the people I ship romantically with this character: Sasuke, Sakura, (Lee maybe, Kiba a little), Shikamaru (I blame @theonecoolnara and their recent reply for this lol) I think I need to write more to see with other characters.

My favorite non-romantic relationship for this character: Nejihina

My unpopular opinion about this character: I had really hoped that she would be able to move on from Naruto because she knows he likes Sakura (he called her his girlfriend while she was present) and I hate how people fail to see that Naruto's ignorance of her confession is mostly overlooked.

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I wish she would've never had those thoughts about Naruto's hand during Neji's death and that she got more than one panel of standing in front of his grave. I wanted her to at least try and ask to get side branch member's seal removed.

Favorite friendship for this character: Sakuhina (especially if we were shown more and that doesn't involve love interests). Another one is Nejihina

My crossover ship: Mephisto and Hinata (I blame @serasarc for this and their lovely shenanigans we make up for this ship).

[shadyhorsedragon]

I think both relationships are not necessarily impossible, but poorly executed.

In SasuSaku's case, it has been subtly shown that Sasuke feels affection towards Sakura (affection that, knowing the dude, wouldn't be overtly shown). The problem lies more in the fact that the development of their relationship happens after the main story : it's not impossible but it leaves the reader/viewer unsatisfied and feels like a conclusion taken out of nowhere. We were supposed to see the relationship grow during Shippuden if such important characters were to end up together. Not only does it mean that the development was one-sided on Sakura's part, but also that it was supposed to be linked to their evolution during the manga : what we see at the end should be relevant to what happened during the manga, not what could be if random secondary character were to be noticed by the protagonist. We need closure. If I remember correctly, Kishimoto said somewhere that Sasuke began to fall in love with Sakura at the moment she healed Naruto and Sasuke after their final fight, which makes sense regarding the fact that Sasuke just learnt to love again, Sakura being one of the people he used to love, he realized that he messed things up with her, and started to feel again what he felt three years ago. However then again, we don't see him make amend to her, and we don't see their relationship grow. (Actually, Sakura has no impact on Sasuke during his revenge phase : she loves him unconditionally ? Naruto does that already. She made it her mission to bring Sasuke back ? Literally one of Naruto's main goals. She loves him but not in the same way as she did during her childhood, her feelings have grown and matured ? Naruto realized he doesn't truely understand Sasuke, and made it his mission to understand him better. After the emo boy attacked the 5 Kages, Naruto told him that if they fight they will die together, and when they do, they won't be burdened anymore and will be come to understand one another. Annnnnd he's been stated to be obsessed with bringing Sasuke back. Whoa there man calm down : bruh even Sakura, who loves Sasuke unconditionally, doesn't go that far). The only reason why it makes sense to put them together is that Sakura represents to family love that Sasuke misses.

In NaruHina's case, the dude doesn't even realize she loves him romantically till the movie The Last, so we have no romantic involvement on Naruto's part during the entire manga. You know, the thing containing the main materials for Naruto's evolution. No biggie. Also she interacts with him a few times, and then that's it. And when they get to show interest towards each other, it's sweet, but then again, they're supposed to make each other change or grow and we don't see that. If you don't want to make Naruto's story love-centered, fine, but don't go making random relationships up a the end. How is that relevant to the characters' evolutions ? Marrying Hinata feels like a bonus at the end, like, "oh okay he married her, she's nice but whatever". I know that Kishimoto has stated through Kakashi that there's no reason for love, but still... (he also stated himself that he's bad at writing romance.)

All in all, we got poor execution on Sakura's part, too few content on Hinata's, and closure on SasuNaru's. Who do you think we're gonna ship ?

weird how people think sasuke likes sakura

[narhinafan]

People that say NaruHina has little development do not paid attention to the Naruto manga are the same kind of people that say Sussaku has development even know the development is almost non-existent. Sasuke and Sakura barely interact with each other in part 1 as anything more than teammates the way Sasuke treats Sakura is just like every other person he doesn't treat us anyone special he doesn't treat her in a way that is different. If Sakura was Sasuke's intended love interest he would treat her differently he would hesitate to harm her in his reunion with her in Shippuden he wouldn't constantly treat her as an annoyance or avoid her in the sequel series. Sasuke and Sakura have barely interacted. There's not one on screen kiss not one moment where Sasuke expresses concern or his affection for Sakura physical or with words none so how is their development for them? Almost all their interactions are negative if people think that's development that's good then I question if they understand how romantic interests work.

Naruto and Hinata in contrast have far more development in both part one and part two ever interaction they have is their relationship progressing. Their first interaction we see on screen Naruto thinks Hinata is weird then when he sees her in the tuning exam he sees her in a different light and then her proud failure speech he blushes something he never did around Sakura ever. Also unlike Sasuke Naruto is very careful how he talks to Hinata or how he treats her which is pretty obvious for a main character they would treat their love interest differently than any other person. Yeah the development is subtle that's because Naruto is not a romance manga but if you look at the sequel series there's more interactions with them as well and it's positive and Naruto and Hinata are the only couple that have confessed their feelings for each other and had a kiss on screen people can whine and moan about oh the last should not have needed to exist to resolve their romance but at least it's more than the banshee and Sasuke ever got and they could go suck it.

NaruSaku and SusSaku are garbage ships that needlessly hate on other ships for the most ridiculous reasons I can go on the non-cannon filler ship Narusaku but that would be it making this too long so I'll just ended at that.

The people who say that didn't pay attention NaruHina actually has a lot of subtle development from the start of the exams all the way to the end. Like when he checked on her in the manga Naruto puts his hand over hers its very hard to tell, but it is there. While during the Pain fight Naruto actively protects and avoids Hinata when he loses it and there are many more subtle moments in their interactions during the manga.

SasuSaku though it is one sided Sasuke sees Sakura as annoyance and while he does treat her as a teammate that is where it end nothing more. The reason their interactions are almost always negative is cause Sakura doesn't mean that much to Sasuke, like he has tried to kill Sakura several times in part 2 with no hesitation yet they want us to think he sees her as someone special.

NaruHina you knew it was going to happen, but with SasuSaku there was always that underlying feeling he may never come back or it just won't happen. As early as part 1 it was obvious and only became more so it went on, by the proud failure speech NaruHina was pretty much set in stone as I think that was when Naruto truly fell for Hinata as his face when she calls him a proud failure the slight blush you can tell he is touched then saying he likes girls like her.

What makes it worse is the amount of filler SP pumped for NaruSaku they even ruined several NaruHina scenes by altering them and then films with it like RTN was advertised as NaruHina and SasuSaku film only for it to be filled with NaruSaku rubbish. Like seriously how nice would it have been if they worked harder to make it possible to fit into the canon timeline and showed NaruHina/MenmHina as well as Hinata getting along with Naruto's family and ended it with say they lose their memories of what happened in the genjutsu world. It could have been a perfect film if they made NaruHina a focus.

[sneezemonster15]

i think it's a rather smart choice to have made Sakura the annoying and toxic girl she is, especially since Naruto and Sasuke love each other romantically. If she was strong mature and had boundaries appreciation, the GA would have been more suspicious about why Sasuke doesn't want to be around her or returning her feelings, her being annoying and self centered is exactly what Kishi needed without giving too much

No you are right. Sasuke sees through Sakura's shallow and entitled personality. So he simply cannot gel with her. But Naruto considers her a good friend because he generally only sees the good in people, and forgives the bad, that's how he is. While others have a legit reason for their neuroses, Sakura doesn't. But Naruto wanted to make friends and not be constantly ostracized so he takes whoever offers him friendship. Which is why he doesn't really confront Sakura for her shitty behaviour towards him, but draws a clear line when it is about Sasuke.

Sasuke wouldn't do all that for Sakura, he would confront her head on, like he does. If she was written as a good character, Sasuke would have had no reason to harbour antipathy towards her. And Sasuke is inherently a kind and helpful boy.

Similarly, Hinata was written to be wrapped up in her hormonal urge to be with Naruto, having absolutely no distinct personality herself, unless you count chronic shyness, weakness of spirit, and self absorption personality traits. I guess they are. If Hinata was written to be having a strong will and even average intelligence, she would have moved on from Naruto, since he seriously pays her no attention unless she is getting beaten black and blue. He completely ignored her love confession, lol. That would have been enough reason for a smarter and self respecting girl to rethink her ways. Kishi is very serious about his characterization, he wouldn't play around with it without rationally justifying it in the narrative itself. So he wrote Hinata to be dumb, one dimensional, shadow oriented and completely designed to orbit around Naruto, without having any credible personality of her own. Far from being assertive or opinionated, she can hardly even stand her ground, she wouldn't know her ground if it slapped her directly in her face. Lol. Which is why she doesn't even begin to think about Naruto's complete lack of interest in her. In Boruto, Naruto hardly ever comes home, sends his clones to important family occasions but stays at office counting headbands. A strong willed wife would confront him, but she wouldn't. Imagine Minato/Kushina dynamic, Kushina would not have taken such treatment from Minato. But Hinata is the polar opposite of Kushina. Which is why she is married to a gay man who is in love with his best friend and work partner, and is totally willfully oblivious about it.

Kishi doesn't treat anyone else the way he treats Hinata and Sakura in the entire manga, he deliberately humiliates their characters in the narrative. He wants to show that these are the kind of women who would gladly stay in a loveless marriage with gay men, self absorbed, entitled, shallow, unintelligent, fangirlish, whose self esteem is completely tied up with the men they want, and would take the tiniest scraps those men throw their way as long as they could keep calling them their husbands that they won as trophies.

[captnjacksparrow]

So I just stumble upon an old (thankfully) discussion in fanverse about which one Sakura loves most, Sasuke or Naruto (the answer is clear as daylight but there are those dudebros who SI themselves as Naruto and want a girl to choose him instead of 'bad cool guy). As expected that topic is unworthy to be discussed since Sakura is obviously wets after Sasuke, but they also bring Rin parallel in there, like Rin has crush on Kakashi but in the end waited for Obito and never met Kakashi in the afterlife. Rin and Sakura is so different in characterization so that parallel is useless, but makes me wonder, which one do you think Rin love most? I think Rin indeed has infatuation toward Kakashi but frankly she was shown most time caring deeply for Obito. But she also confessed to Kakashi just a minute after Obito's "death" and in Databook it said that Rin chose to die at the hand of someone she loves, although perhaps it just quoted Obito's word and in Obito's perception, Rin loves Kakashi, based on the 'ideal world' genjutsu he gave to Kakashi (it's also interesting that while Obito loves Rin, for him Rin who loves Kakashi is the ideal Rin whom he wanna met in Infinite Tsukuyomi).

ROFL. If Sasuke stans are the ones who makes everyone to hate that Character... Naruto stans are definitely the one who pulls Naruto, the Character into ground bottom and make him into an Ass-Clown by endlessly self-projecting their shitty simp behaviour towards Sakura. Because of those idiots, Sakura pests feels Sakura was more important to Naruto and feels validated. Sigh!!!

Which one do you think Rin love most?

I wrote about Team Minato in this post. However it was entirely from Obito's POV though.

I can't say for sure as to who Rin loved the most... And I believe... that was not the point the Author was trying to tell through Team Minato. Team Minato was all about prioritizing their Team Mates equally, unlike Team 7 where people prioritize one while blatantly ignore the other.

Obito seems to be annoyed with Kakashi when he refused to save Rin... But when that same Kakashi was in danger, he awakened his Sharingan and even went onto die for him. Also he evolved his Mangekyou Sharingan for Rin as well. Which means, despite the nature of his feelings being very different from what he had with Kakashi and what he had with Rin... It's still equal or almost equal.

Same with Rin as well.

She looks like she has a crush on Kakashi but that doesn't stop her from treating Obito like a Close Friend of hers. Infact, she has more rapport with Obito.

Kakashi, as always, was very indifferent to both of them.

But she also confessed to Kakashi just a minute after Obito's "death"

I don't think she wanted to confess to Kakashi desperately though... Like waiting for the chance and jumping right at it. She merely brought that topic because Kakashi was conveying about Obito's feelings at that moment.

And only after Kakashi's insistence, Rin brought up her feelings...

I do think that if Kakashi hadn't bring that topic out, she wouldn't have said anything... But still she isn't Obsessive about that fact though. She realized what Kakashi was trying to say and pretty much understood....

And I think in this panel, She was having her moment probably because of the loss she had experienced...

I clearly have no idea as to how those dudebros makes those parallel of Rin and Sakura... I can't see Sakura reflecting about anything other than Sasuke. Certainly, I can't see Sakura having a profound thought about Naruto like this.

So, to answer your question as to who Rin loves or Cares about the most... Considering the way she moved on after understanding the reality and also for the fact that she was waiting for Obito in the Afterlife... I think She does prioritize Obito, the most... even though it's not romantic in nature.