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helloooo so im not a fan of greek mythology or classics or anything like that, but something about the suitors of penelope caught my eye so i just wanted to ask if there are any other suitors named in the odyssey that arent antinous, eurymachus or amphinomus? (i forgot how to spell the last guys name)
+ and if youre willing enough, did any of them have characters / personalities and maybe even the slightest bits of stories of their own, outside of the whole yknow. "trying to make penelope marry and kill telemachus" thing? if thats too much though i completely understand, lovely blog!!
I mean it would be great if you were Anon! Hahahaha but that's fair.
Of course there are several names that appear in the Odyssey. Of course the most known ones are Antinous, Eurymachus and Amphinomus but there are several names that appear in the Odyssey as you remember from my post about Antinous where I mention the misconceptions around the Odyssey,
you see the name of Leiodes. Other names rescued are:
Leocritus, Agelaus, Amphimedon, Elatus, Eurynomus, Euryades, Demoptolemus, Peisander, Polybus and Ctesippus.
Unfortunately most of the names of the suitors are not mentioned in the Odyssey however we have other scoliasts and future writers, for example Apollodorous who also makes a list of several other names in his book "Epitome":
From Dulichium came fifty-seven: Amphinomus, Thoas, Demoptolemus, Amphimachus, Euryalus, Paralus, Evenorides, Clytius, Agenor, Eurypylus, Pylaemenes, Acamas, Thersilochus, Hagius, Clymenus, Philodemus, Meneptolemus, Damastor, Bias, Telmius, Polyidus, Astylochus, Schedius, Antigonus, Marpsius, Iphidamas, Argius, Glaucus, Calydoneus, Echion, Lamas, Andraemon, Agerochus, Medon, Agrius, Promus, Ctesius, Acarnan, Cycnus, Pseras, Hellanicus, Periphron, Megasthenes, Thrasymedes, Ormenius, Diopithes, Mecisteus, Antimachus, Ptolemaeus, Lestorides, Nicomachus, Polypoetes, and Ceraus.
And from Same there came twenty—three: Agelaus, Pisander, Elatus, Ctesippus, Hippodochus, Eurystratus, Archemolus, Ithacus, Pisenor, Hyperenor, Pheroetes, Antisthenes, Cerberus, Perimedes, Cynnus, Thriasus, Eteoneus, Clytius, Prothous, Lycaethus, Eumelus, Itanus, Lyammus.
And from Zacynthos came forty—four: Eurylochus, Laomedes, Molebus, Phrenius, Indius, Minis, Liocritus, Pronomus, Nisas, Daemon, Archestratus, Hippomachus, Euryalus, Periallus, Evenorides, Clytius, Agenor, Polybus, Polydorus, Thadytius, Stratius, Phrenius, Indius, Daesenor, Laomedon, Laodicus, Halius, Magnes, Oloetrochus, Barthas, Theophron, Nissaeus, Alcarops, Periclymenus, Antenor, Pellas, Celtus, Periphus, Ormenus, Polybus and Andromedes.
And from Ithaca itself the suitors were twelve, to wit: Antinous, Pronous, Liodes, Eurynomus, Amphimachus, Amphialus, Promachus, Amphimedon, Aristratus, Helenus, Dulicheus, and Ctesippus.
However one must bear in mind that all these names do not appear in the Odyssey so it is unclear whether Apollodorous has mentioned these names out of other sources or if he came up with a few of them himself! Hahaha especially since Apollodorous seems to be raising the number of the suitors from the standard 108 to much more than that!
But yeah that is food for thought as well even if Apollodorous lived several centuries after Homer.
As for the last part yes of course there seems to be several of character development to the suitors that at least are named in the Odyssey for as you see from the post that I made,
Antinous is the leader of the suitors in one way. He is as you see the most outspoken and one of the most arrogant ones and the way I read the passages of his it seems almost as if he is constantly intoxicated. I find it no coincidence that he died when he was ready to get a drink! I also love it, as I mentioned to another post of mine, how his name seems to mean "against all reason" aka "madman"
Eurymachus strikes me as the guy who is the "rich brat" in one way if I am allowed the comparison. He seems to be the richest of them all and he seems to be the one Icarius prefers the most for his future son-in-law because his own wedding gifts were the richest. Eurymachus seems to be a smooth talker and he often gets in the middle between Antinous and Penelope (for example Penelope goes on a full attack on Antinous accusing him and Eurymachus gets in the middle) but in a more slithering way, if that makes any sense. He is also the one who throws Antinous under the buss when he sees Odysseus is up for the kill to them all. He says that Antinous who is just killed was the root of all evil in there and that Odysseus needs to do nothing more. He also suggests they would pay back what they ate. He strikes me as the rich kid that thinks he can solve stuff with money. Eand wine .urymachus also seems to be confident with himself because he seems to have a close relationship with Odysseus and the royal family or at least his family does since Eurymachus mentions how Odysseus used to place him on his knees when he was a child, feeding him roasted meat and wine
Both Eurymachus and Antinous seem to be though capable athletes (they were the best at throwing the javelin and the discus while they were playing together) and like Antinous he seems to have knowledge on weapons such as bows and arrows.
Amphinomus is more of a diplomat material. In fact Homer states that out of all the suitors Penelope liked him the most because he was a smooth talker and he seemed gentle. In fact Amphinomus prevented the suitors from killing Telemachus TWICE in the Odyssey. He didn't deny the suggestion of the kill per se (so that he wouldn't lose the support of the other suitors) but he said that they need to first make sure that the killing was agreeable to the gods as well (in a way he also seems to try and prevent the killing altogether). He said that if gods wanted that then he would kill Telemachus himself but if they do not it is a sin and it shouldn't be followed. He is also one of those who encourages the others to stop mistreating Odysseus (disguised as a beggar) and encourages them to let Telemachus treat him as his guest given that this is the right thing to do. It seems that even Odysseus noticed he has kindness in him for he is the only suitor he actually doesn't only test in order to save him from doom but he ACTUALLY warns him to escape doom but Amphinomus doesn't heed the warning and remains. He also seems to be the suitor that at the end of the day didn't try to harm Odysseus out of hatred but he ran towards him with his sword trying to get him out of the way towards the exit so basically he tried to run away. Telemachus killed him with a spear through the back (his first kill for that day) and again I find it interesting and ironic that his name means "between two rules/shares" because he seems to be in a limbo state between the suitors and Telemachus and in the end he dies between two rulers (Odysseus and Telemachus). Amphinomus strikes me for a good guy that ended up with bad companies. In one way he seems to be in a way reflecting Odysseus too since he does try to persuade others with his words and navigate his way through stuff (plus the fact that Penelope liked him more than the others because of the way he speaks with logic AND Odysseus seeing the potential in him and actively trying even more to save him compared to others).
Leiodes was also called "soothsayer". It was said that he was one of those who was head over the heels in love with Penelope and he genuinely wanted to win her hand. He seemed to be a gentle guy or at least gentler than the rest who really wanted to earn Penelope. He was also the first to protest against bending the bow, realizing the impossible of the task thus earning the angry reaction of Antinous (see at my post that I link). It is also arguably the most shameful out of the killings Odysseus performed given that Leiodes managed to clasp Odysseus's knees begging for his life and also saying that he never bothered or bedded any of his slave girls, according to the customs of employing ritual, Odysseus couldn't refuse him the favor and he should normally spare him his life as he requested (in this case this doesn't apply classically given how Athena was there encouraging). Odysseus though was furious for Leiodes's notion to marry Penelope and he cut off his head.
Leocrtitus strikes me as someone who thinks too high of himself. His name appears technically once in the Odyssey and that is when he fights against Mentor (Athena in disguise) and claims that even if Odysseus himself were to show up in the palace, Penelope would have no joy upon seeing him because they would more or less kill him. Leocritus seems more like the guy that boasts a lot from that line or that is certain of himself when things are certain but only when he is certain that nothing would go wrong. He speaks with certainty they can take Odysseus when he is most certain that Odysseus would never show up because he thinks he is dead.
Agelaus seems to be similar to Amphinomus here for he too seems to have some humanity inside him (although arguably one can also say that he is pretending of that he has his reasons behind it) since he also speaks to the suitors and advises them to stop tormenting the stranger (Odysseus in disguise) or stop bothering the slave girls in the hall (most likely the women who were unwilling to serve the suitors) and he even said that "he hoped Odysseus would come back but that doesn't seem likely" (the latter seems to be more a pretend wish than anything but that is up for interpretation) but he keeps trying to sooth-talk Telemachus to tell his mother to choose the one that brought her the best gifts to which Telemachus says that he "doesn't want to force her and that he hopes the day will never come". Agelaus also strikes me for a very calm fellow for even in the chaos of battle after Antinous, Eurymachus and Amphinomos are dead Agelaus still calls for Melanthius and makes the assumption that Odysseus doesn't have enough shafts for them all and that they should sound the alarm or something and try to find their way out and apparently he was right because Telemachus accidentally left the door to the weaponry open so Melanthius came back holding some weapons for some of the suitors. So yeah that too seems like a great thing not mentioned enough. Also even amidst the chaos he tries to find allies for he turns to Mentor (Athena in disguise) and tries to persuade him not to be swayed by Odysseus's words unknown to him that he is speaking to Athena and when he sees that "Mentor" is not helping, he is showing leading skills and he gathers around the best remaining of the suitors to organize themselves and fight back. The latter gives a meaning to his name as well given how Agelaus means "leader of people"
Eurynomus has no lines in the Odyssey but I find it interesting that Homer decided to share with us that Eurynomus is one of 4 brothers out of whom one of them accompanied Odyssus to the arduous trip, Antiphus, and he was in fact one of his comrades that died in the hands of Polyphemus and in fact he was the last to be eaten by him so Eurynomus for me signifies the visual representation of the people who are left behind and possibly their complicated psychology. His father Aegyptius who was mourning for the death of his son (for he had stopped hoping to see him again) and the other two brothers that helped his father at the farm. Somehow makes me wonder was Eurynomus TOO EAGER to make his father proud? Perhaps he stopped caring? Did he have any recollections of his own brother or not? How was his relationship with his other brothers? Was he, if I may make a random comparison, an "edgy teenager" who just didn't care anymore? And arguably Homer also names him as "one of the best" of the suitors so that shows he did have plenty of potential. Who knows indeed
Amphimedon and Demoptolemus are also not having any lines and are mentioned once and twice respectably in the Odyssey but both were some of those that Homer names "the best" that Agelaus brings close to him again showing their potential.
Euryades is only mentioned when Telemachus kills him so not much is known on him.
Same goes with Elatus who is also mentioned only when he is killed by Eumaeus and nothing else is very much known of him
Peisander is mentioned during the wedding gifts process when Agelaus gathers him close to him as well (again one of those that were praised for their potential) and when he is killed by Philoetius.
Polybus now seems to be mentioned as "wise" but I also see the name being associated as the father of Eurymachus more often. There is only mentions of Polybus as a suitor and that is when Agelaus is gathering around him the best he can find in chaos and when he is killed by Eumaeus. Most likely we talk about two different people that just share the same name. I don't think both father AND son are competing for the hand of Penelope unless Polybus was there just to make sure that Penelope would marry in their family but that doesn't seem likely to me given how Eurymachus gives gifts that are said to be the best so if his father was also there I would expect them to have similar gifts and that Icarius might as well approve of the father as the husband to his daughter plus the fact that the suitors are named as young makes me doubt that Polybus the father of Eurymachus and Polubus the suitor are the same person. But here's some food for thought!
Ctesippus is the one that is mentioned from moment 1 that he has "lawlessness in his heart" so he seems like the most violent or potentially viscous of them all. He stands up and says that he wants to offer a "guest gift" to the "stranger" (Odysseus in disguise) one of the slave girls that belong to Odysseus. He even proceeds on taking an ox's hoof from his plate and throw it to Odysseus but Odysseus dodges it. The move causes the reaction of Telemachus and his reaction also brings forth Agelaus who also says to the suitors to stop abusing the stranger. Ctesippus doesn's seem to be a very potent spearman for he manages to graze the shoulder of Eumaeus in the battle but his spear was deflected by the swineherd's shield so either he is not as good in battle or he was drunk or panicking for he lost his weapon like that.
I hope that helps a little at a small interpretation/analysis on the suitors of Penelope as presented in the Odyssey plus an extra list of Apollodorous even if I do not fully allign with it, I just placed it here for the sakes of the encyclopedic knowledge! Hehehehe!
But thanks for the question Anon because it is important to remember how complicated all the homeric characters are! Even those that are supposed to appear brutes, they have also secret sides that Homer did let us known they existed!
Also yay this is my 5000th post!! 🥳 🎉 🪅 🎊
I deeply apologize if I forget someone and I shall elaborate more to reblogs and/or comments if there is one that I missed or forgotten etc.
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I designed all 15 suitors of Penelope that are mentioned in the Odyssey… I have no regrets, I love them so much, I will never let them go. Considering yapping sessions for each one based on their known stories and my headcanons for them
GROUP CLOSE UPS:
And below are the full images in height order too (idk how tumblr quality will deal with them LOL)
Height Order:
Full Group Layout:
#tagamemnon#the odyssey#antinous#eurymachus#amphinomus#ctesippus#amphimedon#eurynomus#leiocritus#leodes#elatus#eurydamas#euryades#demoptolemus#peisander#polybus#agelaus#greek mythology#I have not slept send help
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top 5 men you want to kiss?
I’m not gay why would I-
Eurymachus
Telemachus
Ctesippus
Peisander
Amphinomus
Leiocritus
Amphimedon
Elatus
Agelaus
Demoptolemus
Eurydamas
Eurynomus
Leodes
Euryades
Euryalas
Ctesippus of Ithaca
Ithacus
Polydorus
Helenus (NOT cassandra’s brother. that guy is WEIRD)
Promachus
Damastor (NOT to be confused with Agelaus’ father. although they were born in the same place)
Clymenus (apparently not the son of Helios? i asked him about it and he said that was a different guy. Unfortunate.)
Agenor
Antimachus
Telema-
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sorry what was i doing
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homer, are ya out of eury- mind?
eurycleia.
eurynome.
eurybates.
eurylochus.
eurymachus.
eurydamas.
eurynomos.
euryades.
eurytion.
...all in one poem. like, sir-
#this was a *pain* to memorize for my eng final lol#i would've appreciated a lil variety#homer#the odyssey#odysseus#ancient greek#epic poetry#classic#classics#classic literature#classic lit#tagamemnon#literature#academia#pun#bad pun#wordplay
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John William Waterhouse - Penelope and the Suitors
In Homer's Odyssey, Penelope is the wife of Odysseus, who is known for her fidelity to Odysseus while he was absent, despite having many suitors. Her name has therefore been traditionally associated with marital fidelity.
Penelope is the wife of the main character, the king of Ithaca, Odysseus (Ulysses in Roman mythology), and daughter of Icarius of Sparta and his wife Periboea. She only has one son by Odysseus, Telemachus, who was born just before Odysseus was called to fight in the Trojan War. She waits twenty years for the final return of her husband, during which she devises various strategies to delay marrying one of the 108 suitors (led by Antinous and including Agelaus, Amphinomus, Ctessippus, Demoptolemus, Elatus, Euryades, Eurymachus and Peisandros).
On Odysseus's return, disguised as an old beggar, he finds that Penelope has remained faithful. She has devised tricks to delay her suitors, one of which is to pretend to be weaving a burial shroud for Odysseus's elderly father Laertes and claiming that she will choose a suitor when she has finished. Every night for three years, she undoes part of the shroud, until Melantho, one of twelve unfaithful slave women, discovers her chicanery and reveals it to the suitors.
Because of her efforts to put off remarriage, Penelope is often seen as a symbol of connubial fidelity. But because Athena wants her "to show herself to the wooers, that she might set their hearts a-flutter and win greater honor from her husband and her son than heretofore"
#penelope#english painter#art#greek mythlogy#myth#greek#ancient#john william waterhouse#painting#homer#odyssey#odysseus#oil on canvas#19th century#18th century#academic style#painter
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Buca Eskort mu dedi birisi
Buca Eskort mu dedi birisi
Birisi kapı direğine çarptı;Bir diğeri de kapısına karşı gitti;Bir başkasının sivri İzmir Bayan Escort müşterisinin çikitasıyla oynamayı seviyor mili duvara çarptı;Ulysses,İzmir avukatların tüm mızraklarından kaçınır bırakmaz,kendi dostlarına şöyle dedi: Arkadaşlarım,ben de onların ortasına binmelerine izin vermeliyiz,yoksa yaptıkları tüm zararları taçlayacaklarını söylemeliyim.bizi tamamen öldürerek.Bu yüzden onlardan doğrudan doğruya yönelip İzmir Escort mızraklar attılar.Ulysses,Demoptolemus,Telemachus Euryades,Eumaeus Elatusu öldürdü,stokçu Pisanderi öldürürken.Bunların hepsi biraz tozdu ve diğerleri bir köşeye geri döndükçe Ulysses ve adamları ileri fırladılar ve ölülerin cesetlerine çekerek mızraklarını geri kazandılar.Başvuranlar şimdi ikinci kez nişan alıyorlardı,ancak yine İzmir Minerva silahlarını etkisiz hale getirdi.Birisi manastıra ait bir dayanak noktasına çarptı;Bir diğeri de kapısına karşı İzmir Escort gitti;diğerinin sivri mili ise duvara çarptı.Yine de,Amphimedon Telemachusun bilekten en üst cildi bir parça aldı ve Ctesippus Eumaeusun kalkanının üstündeki omzunu otlatmayı başardı;Fakat mızrak devam etti ve yere düştü.Sonra Ulysses ve adamları talip kalabalığına götürdü.Ulysses Eurydamas,Telemachus Amphimedon ve Eumaeus İzmir Polybusu vurdu.Bundan sonra,borsacı göğüste Ctesippusu vurdu ve ona Polyhetin oğlu,ağzına kötü bir zaman başka bir zaman İzmir Escort konuşacak kadar aptal olmayın dediğinde kendisini şaşkına çevirdi,ancak cennetin konuşmasını yönlendirmesine izin verin,çünkü tanrılar erkeklerden daha güçlüdür.
İzmir Bayan Escort müşterisinin çikitasıyla oynamayı seviyor
Böylece tuhafiyeci konuştu ve Ulysses Damastor oğluyla yakın dövüş mızraklarıyla vurdu;Telemachus ise Evenor oğlu Leocritusu karnında vurdu ve yüzü yere yığılarak önüne düşmek için dart temizlendi..Daha sonra mermer üzerindeki koltuğundaki Minerva ölümcül bir kolunu kaldırdı ve avukatların kalpleri İzmir Escort sarsıldı.Günün en uzun İzmir olduğu günün erken yazında gadfly tarafından çıldırtılan bir sığır sürüsü gibi mahkemenin diğer ucuna kaçtılar.Kartal gagalı gibi,dağlardan gelen hıyar tülbenti akbabalar,yere sürüleri küçülten küçük kuşlara saldırıp onları öldürürler;çünkü kavga edemez veya uçamazlar ve İzmir Escort sporcuların eğlenmeleri gözlemcilerdir Ulyssese bile böyledir Adamları talipleri yere düşürüp her iki tarafa vuruyorlar.Beyinleri hırpalanmışken korkunç bir inleyi dokundu,Leiodes daha sonra Ulyssesin dizlerini yakaladı ve Ulysses,bana merhamet ve rahmet etmem için yalvarırım dedi.Evindeki kadınlardan hiçbirine söz ya da fiiller yapmadım,diğerlerini de durdurmaya çalıştım.Onları gördüm.dinlemiyorlardı,şimdi de onların aptallıklarını ödüyorlardı,Ben onların kurban papazıyım;İzmir eğer beni öldürüyorsan,onu hak etmek için hiçbir şey yapmadan öleceğim;yaptı.Ulysses sertçe ona baktı ve Eğer fedakar rahip olsaydınız,tekrar eve gelmem çok uzun süre dua etmiş olmalıydı ve eşimle evlenip onun tarafından çocuk sahibi olabilirsiniz diye yanıtladı.ölmek.Bu İzmir Escort sözlerle Agelausun öldürüldüğü sırada ve yere düşen kılıcı aldı.Sonra Leiodesi boynunun arkasına vurdu,böylece konuşurken başını tozun içine düştü.Termes oğlu Pymius oğlu istekliler tarafından şarkı söylemek zorunda bırakılan şimdi İzmir Bayan Escort müşterisinin çikitasıyla oynamayı seviyor hayatını kurtarmaya çalıştı.
http://ofizmir.com/buca-eskort-mu-dedi-birisi/
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The signs as Euryades:
Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, Aquarius: Euryades corethrus
Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, Pisces: Euryades duponchelii
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The Suitors of Penelope PT.2
With bonus Eurynomus art to show his hair better
#ancient greek#fanart#greek epic#greek mythology#the odyssey#greek myth art#epicthemusical#demoptolemus#Agelaus#Euryades#Eurydamas#Eurynomus#tagamemnon#the suitors
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how many men have you kissed antinous. just research.. haha. and the names.. and how many times…..
ctesippus eurymachus telemachus agelaus amphimedon elatus amphinomus ctesippus of ithaca (once.. i prefer the one from Same).. deptolemus… euryades.. know what? just refer to https://www.tumblr.com/sillypuppetmeister/760719642132086784/top-5-men-you-want-to-kiss
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