#eugent reise arnor

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[asoulofatlantis]

In the ask with the question if Shirley is redeemable you compared her to other jaegers who left their jaeger corps eventually (like Fie or Randy) but are you aware that what made them change was the death of a person they loved, that died because of the way jaegers live and fight and do things? By comparing Shirley with people like Sara and Randy you basically put a death sentence over Cedric's head. After all, for Shirley to see that life as a jaeger is not worth it, the person she loves must die, as this is how it went with everyone else. Would you be okay with it, if Cedric dying would not just confirm Shirley loving him, but also give her a chance for redemption?

I've been talking to someone about my Shirley analysis a few days ago and while I was talking all enthusiastically about how much potential Shirley actually has to redeem herself, I came to the point where I explained that Shirley caring so much about Cedric is basically her ticket to leaving her life as a jaeger behind eventually and while I was going into detail about how people like Randy are the best example for why this could and should work, I suddenly got quiet because after like 30 minutes of talking about this (and answering multiple asks the past year or so), it finally dawned on me that I put the sword of Damocles above Cedrics head without ever noticing it.

I mean, one could hope that in the end, Cedric might get seriously injured but miraculously will survive it and that almost losing him for good will be enough for Shirley. But then we wouldn't repeat the pattern and Falcom likes repeating patterns far too much, far too often. With both Sara and Randy, we got a flashback and weren't emotionally too involved in their losses because we didn't know much about the person who died. With Fie it was already a bit different because eventually we met Rutger and watched Fie being forced to say goodbye a second time and that was already very emotional, but it's still not exactly the same. Because Fie has already been through her father dying and she herself losing her identity as a Jaeger and finding a new identity and reason to live with class7. So in a sense, we still never really experienced it ourselves, how it feels to watch a ruthless young person, who knew nothing but the jaeger way, go down on their knees because of losing someone dear to them, simply because of that very same jaeger way. Meaning that this whole situation with Shirley and Cedric is possibly a setup to make us go through this ourselves this time and the thought alone makes me panic.

I certainly want Shirley to be truly in love with Cedric and I would love to see more of what she is willing to do and change about herself just for him and it is also not like I wouldn't be all in seeing Shirley panicking because Cedric gets badly hurt BUT not if that means losing Cedric. I've watched one Reise Arnor "die" once and I don't think I can do this ever again. Even if that means giving up on Cedric and Shirley as a ship or on Shirleys redemption or on the chance of Cedric and Shirley having a future together (instead of ending up like Eugent and Oliverts mother...) I can not live with the thought of Cedric dying. As much as I hated him through Cold Steel 3 and almost all of Cold Steel 4, he is still somewhat my poor baby boy. The weak and shy little boy from CS2, who got forced into an awful nightmare. Losing him is not something I want.

Which doesn't mean I am willing to give up on Shirley or am willing to lose her. The idea of Falcom doing this differently this time, let's say by Shirley sacrificing herself for Cedric and thus giving Cedric the push to redeem himself as he doesn't want to throw the life away she gifted him, is in my head as well and scares me just as much.

At this point, I want them both to be alive, happy and free.

I always loved the thought of Cedric becoming Emperor and Shirley his empress and while I still think that with Falcoms ridiculous redemption - policy it is not totally impossible, I've realized that this might not be what is really good for the characters. At this point, I don't see the need for Shirley to leave the red constellation anymore. Nor do I think it would be good for Cedric to go back into the Crown-Prince position. I am fine with whatever position allows them to be happy - preferably while still being together - and to stay alive.

So yes, I've (finally) noticed my mistake and no I do not want to sacrifice Cedric (or Shirley, for that matter) for the sake of my ship or so that Shirley can be redeemed. Why redeem her anyway? This crazy girl is actually fine the way she is.

[asoulofatlantis]

when cedric was used by cayenne for vermillion apocalypse did that cause him to fully become the awakener and make it impossible for someone else to take testarossa . I mean I remember at the end of cs3 cedric said something about attuning to testarossa which made it sound like it was possible for someone else to be the awakener I was thinkingabout how in the possibility that osborne was shot instead of eugent eugent made the decision to become testarossa awakener instead. ( what if eugent was used for vermillion apocalypse say cayenne viewed cedric as weak and easy to manipulate and became the awakener what would have happened ( or maybe eugent realized what cayenne was planning when he was taking cedric and offered himself instead what would change)

oh and in the scenario where osborne was shot instead of eugent what if eugent was there with black alberich would he have been able to give the nod to alberich to blow up oliverts ship.

When Rean gets his hands on Valimar it seems like that the awakener is chosen and thats it. But later in CS4 we find out that its not so simple. It is hinted that Randys father could have become an awakener instead of Fies father, that Alberich had the choice between them. With Rufus, it seemed he himself chose to be the Awakener of his diving Knight simply by his willpower to get his hands on the final knight. And Cedric as well mentioned that he yearned for TestaRossas power after he once felt it.

I assume that certain conditions have to be meet, but that these conditions can be met by multiple people.

Valimar was previously Dreichels Diving Knight, so it seemed likely that a Reise Arnor or at least someone with Royal Blood should have been chose for Valimar. Instead, it was the boy who was the son of the person who was born with Dreichels reborn soul. And it is mentioned multiple times that Rean shares a lot with the original Dreichels (if you catch the drift, it was even hinted that he too was a man the Ladies loved, among other more... likable traits that he shared with Rean, like the fact that he never wanted to be a leader and only took the position because it was necessary for peace) and given how there are similarities between previous awakeners and the ones we had in Cold Steel, it is likely that the conditions that need to be met are certain characteristics, for some reason. Zector for example was previously owned by a Jeager too. So its possible that the requirements for Zector are character-traits that only strong jeagers have. Which would explain, why Randys father could have also fit the bill.

Now TestaRossas previous owner was a Reise Arnor and one that was strong and fighting for his people, someone who wanted to get Heimdall back and defeat the black dragon beast. Doesn't sound much like Cedric, now does it? However, TestaRossa did accept him. Cayenne believed it do to the Arnor bloodline, as the previous owner was obviously an Arnor, however we see with Valimar that the bloodline doesn't necessarily matter, nor is it likely that the Jeager who previously piloted Vector was blood related to both Rutger and Randys father. However, we do know that TestaRossa was under a curse do to the blood of the dragon, meaning that is was obviously corrupted. Just like Cedric was eventually. However, Cedric in CS3 and CS4 is strong willed and fights for what he wants, which isn't unlike Hector, the previous pilot of TestaRossa and those character traits have always been there, Cedric had just been to weak to live up to them at were CS2 plays. Cedric obviously (as Shirley pointed out so wonderfully in the fight against new class7) lacks the strength to use the full potential of the Knight, but he still seems to meet the requirements.

However, that said, it doesn't mean that Eugent could just have walked up to TestaRossa and definitely would have been able to be an awakener. He doesn't fit Hectors description. Eugent let bad things happen, left saving them all in Osbornes hands, allowed his sons and countless other people to suffer without doing much against it himself. He might be an Arnor but he lacks the strong will to fight for what he wants and believes in. If the assumption that certain conditions have to be met and that those conditions are certain character traits is correct and if it is true that Cedrics hidden character-traits were the true key to be TestaRossas awakener then Eugent would not have been able to sacrifice himself - nor would he have done it, as he is a weakling in his own right, who decided to leave things to Osborne and the black Records, meaning that taking Cedrics place would have intervened with what the black records have foretold and Eugent would not have done that.

And as he is weak, he would not have been able to give the nod for Oliverts death, even tho it might have been part of what needed to be done for the curse to be defeated. I think the man was glad, that he could hide in his hospital-bed all this time, while shit was going down outside and his children and wife and subjects were suffering. (Seriously, this man is no awakener-potential, no matter how you look at it.)

Also... Cedric wanted to be TestaRossas awakener, he would not have allowed his father to take that away from him, even if he would have been capable.