#esp the shiv

[slashersteve]

I was waiting for Joel to make a mfing shiv or use a brick/bottle 😭💀

[toftyer]

reupload: thinking about the season 2 finale a lot

babygril living the ultimate greek tragedy

[wyverndreamers]

rip the ro'meave brothers you wouldve loved succession

[cloud-based-and-rainpilled]

I’ve been saying tomgreg endgame as sort of a joke but Tom and Shiv fuckin hate hate each other now and Shiv’s taking their unborn child to the pub and Gerri girlbossedly rolls her eyes at Roman when he boo hoos at his father’s funeral and Kendall’s going fully Saturday morning cartoon evil now and idk Stewy’s like dead or smthing but Greg’s loyal to the bitter end even when he doesn’t need to be and Tom’s trying to let him go for Greg’s safety but Greg won’t let him like……………

bros…… we won? is there winning? at what fucking cost??

[abortionado]

Whoever said Shiv is Logan’s favorite because she has Rose’s hair changed the game for us. Thank you for your wisdom

[star-spangled-man]

rip women of succession you would have loved the song labour by paris paloma

[endiness]

tbh one of the things that makes me think that roman might kill himself is i feel like the show's just gonna give everyone the worst, most tragic, pyrrhic victory ending and i feel like roman's death would do that. 'cause right now he's really the glue holding the family together. he’s the one who most wants them to be a family and is actively trying to get them to be one and he’s the one who genuinely keeps reaching out. and, like. he's kendall and shiv's partner and he’s their teammate but he's also their co-conspirator when they're working against the other and he’s their go-between and kendall and shiv will also unite to work against him and he's the main point of contact with connor and the one to stand up for him when kendall and shiv want to exclude him. he's the center point of those connections. he’s the heart. and if roman dies, and if he does so in a way where they'd likely not only blame themselves but each other as well (and especially because they did in some way contribute to roman’s declining mental health for their own professional benefit, which is kind of already happening), i can see that irrevocably splintering the family in a way that logan's death hasn't. and i feel like something as tragic as that is what the show'll end up doing. (especially if the business side of all their lives does actually end up going well. like, maybe they’ll all to varying degrees ‘win’ but at what cost and was it really worth it in the end?) (it wasn’t but now it’s too late to go back.)

[teenangstenthusiast]

hard times - roy siblings

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[holycartoonwarrior]

I personally think in lifeboats that Logan grabbed shiv’s hand because he thought she was someone one else, probably Marcia, and I think that means he probably did the same thing to Marcia and I do think Marcia was trying to be so aggressively firm w Shiv to make sure nothing happened to her. Because Marcia while no saint, has no desire to be mean to anyone except if she’s mad and feels wronged which is pretty fucking normal. And has her own daughter, and only let shiv go up after shiv invaded her privacy illegally. So yeah I think if shiv hadn’t jumped the gun maybe she could’ve had a woman in her life who cared about her.

[civilization-illstayrighthere]

“ A gang of Raffen Shiv even formed outside Night City's gates: the Wraiths. They're well-organized, effective, and willing to do anything. After all, like all Raffens, they've got nothing left to lose.” - wraith dataterm entry, 2077 neotribes: the nomads of North America, a cyberpunk 2020 sourcebook (1994) / cyberpunk 2077 (2020)

[tinylilvalery]

What's interesting about witnessing the shift in Tom and Shiv's relationship, is that for the first 3 seasons Shiv got to live in comfort of being her father in the relationship. She was in control. She was the emotionally detached one, keeping Tom at a distance from her inner vulnerable self like her father does to her and her siblings, despite Tom always appealing to that side of her, bearing himself and wanting that intimacy. She held all the power, and in holding all the power she felt secure that she wasn't going to be screwed over (like her dad did to her mum) and abandoned (like she felt her mum did to her). She could escape the fucked up divorce her parents had by being the embodiment of power (her father),,, which, like a lot of children of a messy divorce, she wanted to avoid such a thing for herself at all cost, and pride herself on her marriage and choice of partner instead of getting help for the trauma and damage she'd carried since childhood. Shiv was safe. She was secure. Like her dad, she had her own dog to kick to test its loyalty and feel secure and reassured every time that dog came back to her side.

But then the dog did bite back. Tom did betray her. The man she viewed as beneath her, all worshipping, and in her eyes nowhere near as smart as her, outplayed her and betrayed her and won over the approval of the very man that she'd been emulating. And now she's not her father. She's the last person she ever wanted to be. She's her mother. She's the one on the receiving end of Logan through Tom, making the divorce messy and difficult and painful by using the same tactics he did with her mother, something that gets to her easily and makes her extremely upset to the point where she's verging on tears. Tom is the one at Waystar + ATN. Tom is the one saying "uh huh." To her.

She thought that she could escape her mother's fate by being her father. By being cold and distant and emotionally closed off. By being the one who kicked the dog. She let her trauma and fears rule and guide her into making decisions and behaving in harmful ways (to Tom and herself) that she thought would protect her and never let her be hurt. And none of it worked. Because despite it all, she became her mother.

[tomshivendgame]

tomshiv - jealous (nick jonas)

I don’t think these two know what an open marriage is 😂

[lepidopteragirl]

logan (still to this day acts like shiv is just his little girl so you know he was such a fucking freak about shiv not wanting to wear her hair in pigtails anymore, absolutely the type of guy to love to pointing out how much /prettier/ she looked with long hair)

caroline (endlessly resentful of the way shiv was always daddy's little girl, matching hair color a reminder that just ensured from birth that caroline would never manage to be normal about shivs hair in any way ever. and you know how mothers are about their daughters hair)

[yasminhananis]

roman ‘can’t fuck’ roy dating a girl who fucked both of his siblings significant others. and then naomi and tom have an implied (if not believable) thing. like this is not talked about enough. kendall and shiv both boning someone from willa’s play. nate.. it just makes my brain brrrrrrr.

[childhoodtheme]

it's weird, i dont know if we can say exactly that everything that will happen post-succession finale can be extrapolated as it's all a cycle and thus all things we've seen before, because the defining difference this time is the absence of logan and the kids' essential expulsion from the business around which they orbited their entire lives. but to think of the uncertainty and the unknown makes me feel ill so in my head they're all going to austerlitz this week just as they did after the vote of no confidence and they're bonding and having an actually successful family therapy moment because logan is no longer there

[cringelock]

are people not enjoying toms characterization this season? sorry he doesn’t seem as deranged in comparison to the three traumatized adult babies that just lost their evil dad i guess