#erins make firestar flip his shit challenge

[scentedglitterillumination]

Thank you for answering my ask and I'm glad you liked it!

Personally, I head-canon that despite being nice and stuff, Firestar does have limits on how far he can be pushed or if loved ones are in danger, and can go apeshit / feral / show a dark side he never knew even existed if push came to shove to protect his family

I actually had a plot bunny in my head for an au that during the fox trap scene, when Hawk and Bramble got too close to him during their fight, Firestar lashes out as best as he can and slashes Hawk's throat open with his claws because he didn't want Bramble to die, and Hawk keels over because the hit nicked his jugular ( how does that fit the blood spills blood prophecy I'm not sure yet )

I mean, we know Firestar has no way of knowing this but Scourge WAS his half-brother, and Firestar did to some cold blooded stuff like double kill Darkstripe by snapping his neck like a wishbone and like you said, nearly killed Tigerclaw during his coup attempt by scratching his belly to shit.

I can totally see him do a similar move that Scourge did to Tigerstar on let's say, Darktail if he lived past LH, because he's that much of a threat to the Clans and killed so many cats. Heck maybe Fire won't even know what he did until he notices Darktail is in his death throes, his paw is covered in blood, and everyone is either reacting like 0_0 or 'I always knew he had suppressed rage'

I just like thinking about Firestar going ballistic for once. He's been through the wringer. Gorsepaw, the cat he saved gets got by Tigerstar, his apprentince's leg gets smashed and destroys her dreams of being a warrior and eventually dies to a badger, and despite helping the clans ( bringing back WC, feeding RC with Graystripe during that famine, and bringing Cinder to help the sick cats in SC ) he keeps getting shat on for being 'soft and a kitty pet' and Onestar needs no explanation. He deserves to be violent for once. As a treat.

I also wished Fire just shut down that stupid trial for Leafpool before it started, saying he won't let this happen, almost every one here bar the kits fucked up in some way, and if they tried to go through with this he'll take Leafpool and anyone that wants to follow him and fucking off to the Kitty Pet afterlife which makes SC back peddle and let Leafpool in.

PS this is kinda related but I can't be the only person on this website that DOESN'T HC Firestar as small am I? I mean he's not big as Tigerstar but he isn't a midget like Scourge either ( not that having that HC is bad, I'm just wondering where it came from ) since Kitty Pet doesn't mean they are gonna be little. If anything, I always thought Firestar was at least averaged sized or just a touch bigger than average, and I'm pretty sure in Daisy's Kin ( could be wrong plz don't @ me ) a cat said he was huge.

What if during the fire scene, Firestar went back to the camp because he couldn't find his daughter and grand kits, overhears Ashfur ranting in front of his Squirrel and his terrified grand kits and Firestar sees red and just barrels through the flames and slams into Ashfur, making him fall into the flames and perish.

Fire leads his family to safety but they straight up saw him murk a cat with no hesitation. How would this change things?

Or Before the reveal, Firestar somehow finds out what Ashfur did, decides he has to take things into his own paws and he's the one who murdered Ashur by holding his head in the water until he stopped breathing, making it look like he slipped and drowned. Then acts 'surprised' when his warriors find the body.

Would any one find out what he did? And if so, how do you think they will react and will this change their perception of the TC Leader?

Ohoho this is just -chef kiss-

First of all, I believe Firestar would be more likely to just Yeet That Idiot into the fire than drown him. Firestar has killed and would definitely Shrek Ashfur for threatening his family, but to lure a cat (even a threat like Ashfur) to their doom feels more Tigerstar than Firestar. That’s what happened to Cinderpelt - lured to a trap meant to kill - and Canon Firestar would NEVER do that.

He sees Ashfur blocking Squirrelflight, blocking his grandkits - one Ashfur’s own apprentice! - hears the screams of a jealous fool, unrelenting in his hate. Firestar sees, and Firestar B U R N S. He throws himself forward, and with the fury of an angry father-grandfather-leader knocks the gray tabby into the searing flames. The yowls that aren’t muffled by the roar of leaping fire cut off abruptly. Firestar leads his startled but grateful family to safety, and speaks honestly when asked about the missing Ashfur. He went mad, Firestar says, and tried to burn his clanmates. I would have done the same for any of you. May he find peace inStarclan. Ferncloud and the clan mourn, and the when word gets out, that Firestar will still protect his clan from threats within, the Gatherings are tense. But eventually all settles, save for a wary unease in the dreams of traitors.

However, a Firestar who’s more…feral, so to speak, more protective to the point of violence? A Firestar who might have killed Tigerclaw in Bluestar’s den in revenge/to protect Ravenpaw? A Firestar that slew Scourge with no guilt? That Firestar definitely would Drown a Dirtbag, no questions asked.

He threatened my grandkits, my daughters, my Clan, Firestar says to the watching stars. As I slew Tigerclaw, as I slew Darkstripe, I slay this threat. He gathers his family to him, and opens the secret of the Three to them. Brambleclaw is wounded deeply, but knows that even if he had just found loner kits, he would have loved them the same. Leafpool shudders, offering to step away from her role, but Firestar tells her of Yellowfang and Brokenstar, and that no one - Starclan or Mortal - will judge her. Not while he’s here. Sandstorm agrees, and the group promise to stand strong together. Hollyleaf trembles at being a half clan cat, but Firestar gently teases her, I wasn’t even a clan cat once, what does that make me? She relents, and the family keeps their silence. Until Ashfur’s spirit descends into a Gathering, and brings his accusations. Firestar speaks truth - I killed one who would destroy our clan with his words, one who threatened his clanmates because he could not take NO for an answer. You can judge me when you find yourself here, with a threat from within. Thunderclan is split between confusion, horror, and pride. The other clans demand punishment, but the clouds remain clear, and when Firestar joins Starclan, Ashfur is nowhere to be found.

This was fun! And a good question Glitter! I might do one of these a month, made me do Big Brain Think Time! Always a good time!

[everybody-loves-purdy]

God I have sO MANY thoughts abt ALitM

Like, first off: MAGGOTTAIL IS ALIVE AND HE’S GOT LORE!!

Kinda miffed they decided to make him a ShadowClan cat bc we already have so many in the DF/it kinda feels like an “all Slytherins are evil” situation (and also I was hoping since he was said to be one of the oldest (if not the oldest) DF residents that maybe he’d be from SkyClan) and w/ how he went from an intimidating DF leader to acting like a naive child (like, c’mon, man, you’ve been here far longer than everyone else and you actually believed Ashfur’s BS?) who’s apparently just another “I wanted to be leader and was impatient” villain (tho let’s be real the Erins were never gonna make his crimes as dark as the ones the fandom came up w/ lmao that part’s on me)

Second: is it just me, or did the whole scene w/ Bramblestar and the other leaders when Shadowsight first came back from the DF feel like a slap in the face to the fandom for calling him abusive?? Like, Leafstar, the leader who’s had absolutely zero prior experience w/ the DF, expresses a very valid concern that maybe Bramblestar isn’t the same cat he once was due to having been trapped in the DF for ages and possessed by Ashfur, and everyone flips shit on her bc he’s “a true warrior” and there’s no way he “could be anything but brave and honorable” (those are actual quotes. I hate it here). Like to me it felt like the Erins Kate mocking the fandom for daring to suggest Bramblestar is anything but a good cat when he’s absolutely garbage lmao

Third: the callback to Into the Wild where Firestar and Graystripe ambush one another made me tear up bc my god the nostalgia I felt (hella mad that there was no Sandstorm, Ravenpaw, or even Dustpelt tho 😭). Also teared up w/ Graystripe’s death and the random Firestar POV, which like,,,, what was up w/ that, actually?? Like could he do that this whole time?? Can anyone in StarClan do that?? I loved getting a Firestar POV again but I wish there had been an explanation for it as well as for Darkstripe’s random revival bc Rootspring mentions that he’d pushed him into the water in TPonS so like??? Erins explain pls

Fourth: the misogyny in this book is astounding. Leafpool mentions how she had to fight to be accepted into StarClan for breaking the code….and then literally on the same page Firestar teases the cat she broke the code w/ abt breaking the code. Then there’s the whole Bristlefrost being permakilled thing (not even gonna go into that bc this ask is already long enough lol) and how Lightleap was actually going to have plot relevance….. until the Erins decided “wait we can’t have a female sibling of a MC contribute meaningfully to the plot so uh actually she’s a coward. Send in the heavily injured cat w/ limited fighting skills instead pls”. Erins write actual decent female characters challenge.

Fifth bc I needed some more positivity in this ask: I’m actually pleasantly surprised w/ how the Erins handled Ashfur’s incell-ness?? Like, given the above point I lowkey expected more victim-blaming of Squilf/excusing of Ashfur’s actions, but they actually stuck to it and condemned his actions?? They def didn’t do things perfectly, but my gosh was it refreshing to have all the blame be placed solely on Ashfur and be reminded that you don’t owe anyone anything just bc they happen to like you

Anyway, I liked the book overall but my goodness did the Erins drop the ball in so many places here 😭 Love your blog and sorry this got so long lol I just had to get these thoughts out

Hiya! Dw I don’t mind it being long lol, I’m glad you like this blog! I’ll answer each point you make in the way you’ve listed them

First: yeah finally a bit of Maggottail lore! I personally had hoped he would have been a SkyClan cat to tie in to the now retconned Su Susan stuff but oh well. It does kind of feel that every evil cat is being lumped into ShadowClan lol. And yeah it feels odd that he believed the whole “pull out your whiskers” thing. To me he came across as quite an old soul in the dark forest from what little of him we saw prior, it feels a bit weird to make him fall for that.

Second: I completely agree

Third: I loved that callback too. And yeah the Firestar possession raised quite a few questions lol. I guess this is the Erin’s way of saying what Ashfur did to Bramblestar’s body is something technically all StarClan cats can do but they’re too good to even consider doing it? And yeah considering how deadly the water was in this book Darkstripe was certainly lucky to survive it, maybe the water’s deadliness strengthened as the forest shrunk more

Fourth: Again, I completely agree

Fifth: I hadn’t thought of that, and yeah I agree. If nothing else, in this arc it has been pretty clear they are trying to show that someone like Ashfur doesn’t belong in StarClan and props to them for actually acknowledging this rather than allowing it to be swept under the rug and not admit that this choice was a mistake, and showing how Ashfur’s incelness is directly tied to his villainy