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Episode 118 Transcript: Plants Vs. Zombies

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello, it's Grey.

C: Hello, it's Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen the show many times...

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian! For today's episode, we will be discussing Season 6, Episode 14: "Mannequin 3: The Reckoning," written by Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder, directed by Jeannot Szwarc.

C: New director.

G: New director, and he is going to be around a little bit. Apparently, he has episodes until Season 10, but just one per episode.

C: One per season?

G: Yes, one per season. He directed "LARP and the Real Girl," an important episode.

C: Yeah. And then an unimportant episode.

G: Well, important, nonetheless. Paper Moon, which is a wonderful restaurant. [both laugh] Do you know? Is there a Paper Moon in the United States?

C: [typing] Not that I know of. Let me look up "paper moon restaurant."

G: It's a cafe. They have wonderful- I think it's a Japanese restaurant, but they have- You know how a lot of Japanese restaurants have French-inspired dessert for some reason? And these are- they have crepe cakes. If you remember, in my last birthday I was like, "I'm getting a crepe cake for my cake for my birthday," it was from this coffee shop. Not coffee shop. Cafe. [C: I see.] Wonderful place, yeah. So that's a little bit of lore for me. This episode aired in Feb 18, and our episode is gonna come out in February 15, so we're catching up with Supernatural!

C: That's true, that's true. We're on the schedule.

G: Yeah. Happy Valentine's Day to everyone listening!

C: True. These writers, this is only their second episode after "You Can't Handle the Truth." [G laughs] So a lot of newbies here.

G: Well, Eric Charmelo, as you know, is so important to us. And Nicole Snyder! They're a combo through the end, I think.

C: Yeah, they're writing partners.

G: Yeah. And they wrote "Dog Dean Afternoon."

C: So their thing is just that they write deeply unserious episodes.

G: You never know. What if "Dog Dean Afternoon" really is such a good episode? I have been saying it is.

C: It can be, and deeply unserious at the same time.

G: This episode doesn't ring a bell for you, I don't think.

C: No, I don't think I was aware of a single thing that happened in it. For good reason, I think.

G: Well, nothing happens, first and foremost. I think it's just a little bit so corny. [laughs]

C: I mean, a lot happens regarding the Dean/Lisa storyline, so if we knew people who were invested in that, we would assume that that would come up, but-

G: Yeah, but you know.

C: I mean, I guess I've seen the the clip of her opening the door in her date outfit just in a "people think she's hot" way, but I feel that's all I've seen of this episode.

G: Maybe you've seen it in an AMV just they do in the middle of this episode. [both laughing]

C: Oh my god! [laughing]

G: So iconic. So iconic. So iconic.

C: I couldn't believe that was happening.

G: [laughs] I was like, "Remember when we kept on insulting the Road So Far these past few eps?"

C: Yeah. We didn't know how good we had it.

G: It's because they were reserving their parallelism powers for this moment. They were reserving their energy for this thing. And that's important.

C: Is it? [G laughs]

G: It was so stupid, but many things in this episode are like, what are we doing?

C: It was stupid. The case made no sense.

G: The case was so stupid. I did love- I loved the twist of the case. [laughs]

G: Oh, I do think it was fun that it was the kidney.

G: It was wonderful that it was a kidney.

C: Yeah. And then Dean accidentally totally murders that woman. [laughs]

G: Also, this episode is reminiscent to "Yellow Fever," isn't it?

C: In terms of people bullying one person to death?

G: Yeah, bullying one person.

C: Though I would say that her falling and hitting her head and instantly dying [laughs] is different-

G: No, yeah. Because what I was dreading was they do something similar to "Yellow Fever" where they're like, "Oh, you know, this victim is the ghost, therefore..." but they actually handle it with a form of complexity this episode. They were like-

C: Is "a form of complexity" Dean accidentally killing someone, and then the ghost being, "I'm so sad, I'm gonna ghost-kill myself"?

G: I think the complexity is Sam and Dean going, "What the hell. [both laugh] What the hell is this? What the fuck are we even doing here?" I think that's super fun.

This episode, it's one of those episodes that, while you're watching it, you're like, "What is this?" But the more you think about it after, you're like, "That was fine. I enjoyed!" And I did enjoy.

C: Speak for yourself. [both laugh]

G: No, yeah, I think I am mistaking my personal experiences for general ones, and what else can we do as people?

C: I mean, I can say about this episode that I laughed a lot.

G: I did laugh laugh a lot.

C: And that's something that's joyful.

G: Yeah. When Sam was like, "Something in you that is of her," I was like, "Yes!! It's gonna be a transplant thing!" [C: Hell yeah.] I was so excited. And when she got fucking stabbed in the stomach, I was like, "Yes!"

C: I think stabbed in the kidney specifically is what they were going for? [G: That's true.] Just on accident through a sharp glass that's Dean's fault?

G: I mean, I just didn't like it because it didn't look the stab went through fully, and your kidneys are in the back. [C: Hm.] So she should have been stabbed in the back, like, lower back.

C: So true.

G: Yeah, that's why if you're having lower back pain, and you think it may not just be regular lower back pain, get a checkup or something. I don't know. Recommendation! [laughs] This is not official health advice.

G: We start the episode. We have Lisa in the "Then" sequence, and that's pretty much the only thing that is of relevance, but a fascinating thing is there is a cold open to this episode, but it split in two because we pick up where we left off last episode, and Sam is on the floor and Dean's shaking him awake, and he is just- he's there. He's lying there. Maybe he's dead. Who knows? Well, we know, because he wakes up a minute later. He's there, having fun. He's not having fun. [C laughs] He's there, he gets held up, etc, etc. Then we go directly to this science lab. And later, it's revealed that it's a college science lab, which is a little bit wild to me.

C: Oh, I could tell.

G: No, I mean it was- it felt very high school-y is the vibe, you know? Later, they make a comment about how they don't really dissect anything in there. [C: Yeah.] So I was like, "Oh, it's a high school place," but it's not. It's a university. And it's vital to the part that it was? Okay, fine. Is a college different from university in the United States? I know that it's different in the UK?

C: I think college refers to an undergraduate institution, and a university refers to the whole institution, including the undergrad and graduate schools, if both exist.

G: So what's up with the UK? What are they doing over there? Important things.

C: I don't know.

G: Yeah. Shocker that we're not both British. There's a guy who's mopping the floor. There's fucking mannequin behind him that's a human [C: Anatomy-] anatomy figure, yeah. And this mannequin has big, wet, beautiful eyes. [both laugh] And his eyes start following the janitor around the room. And then the janitor's head gets sliced open, and he notices as the blood drips out on the floor, starts screaming, and then he gets attacked by the fucking mannequin. RIP.

C: We cut to outside, and Sam and Dean are chatting about Sam's whole passing out thing. You know, Dean's trying to make him feel better with "joe, grub," and some kind of mysterious pills that Sam doesn't want to take.

G: What is a joe?

C: Joe is coffee.

G: Ooh. Oh, yeah, it's a cup of joe. Why? What an ominous thing to say now that I think about it! Cup of joe?

C: Because you think it means somebody killed somebody named Joe? [G laughs]

G: Yeah.

C: To Dean, it was a two to three minute pass-out. To Sam, he says that it felt like a week. He should not be this calm right now, I think. But Supernatural is famously the "person was in Hell for 200 years and they come out completely normal" show, so. [both laugh]

G: To be fair, Sam did not come out completely normal. [laughs] That is the entire point. Well, not the entire point, but most of the point of Season 6 and 7.

C: Yeah, if we view Sam as not just his soul. Or, well, okay, or you just mean that- yeah, he will be going through struggles and such in the future as well.

G: Yeah. I do wonder, because Heaven doesn't seem to have a time, does it? I mean, they make that argument in Season 15. It's such a fucking stupid fucking ending, as we all know.

C: What do you mean by "a time"?

G: Like, there's no equivalence.

C: Oh, it's not like "I was in Heaven for this long, and it felt like this long."

C: Yeah, because, Heaven is just a rotation of memories, so it's not like you can gauge how long or whatever. But Purgatory is the same amount of time, which is very fun. It's a fun idea that Purgatory is basically Earth on a different plane. That's fun.

C: Yeah, Heaven should be faster, then. I guess it would feel faster because you forget each memory as soon as it passes to the next one to keep you entertained, I assume?

G: Yeah. But what if the memory is good, but the experience is bad? I feel you need to have the knowledge that you're reliving a memory for memories to be good, right?

C: Is that true?

G: What if your good memory is an afternoon that you think back fondly on because you don't have that friend anymore, but it's not a particularly fun one?

C: Oh, so you were having a horrible time, and the friend was mean to you, but it's a good memory in retrospect. They probably just wouldn't pick that one.

G: It's just a normal time. We're just having a normal time. But it's the retrospect of it all. It's like, "Wow, remember those afternoons we spent as children?" You know what I mean?

C: Yeah. They probably just don't pick those ones, then. I don't know.

G: Wow! What horrible choices are they making in this show?

C: But yeah, Sam's like, "Well, I didn't enjoy feeling like I was being tortured the worst that anybody ever has in the entire universe for a week, but I'm fine!" And he acts totally fine for the rest of the episode. And Dean's saying Sam needs to stop kicking around in his past because if the wall breaks again he could die, and also that sucked. And Sam's like, "No. Dean, I might have done who knows what, and you want me to just forget about it?" And Dean advises that he shove it down and let it come out in spurts of violence and alcoholism because it works for him.

G: That's a wild thing to say. [C: Yeah.] And I understand that the concept of violence is killing an evil monster who's so evil and a monster, [C laughs] but it's still a wild thing to say, I would say.

C: Yeah, agreed. I don't know. I'm trying to think about the way that violence plays a role in Dean's life. Mostly just through hunting. Sometimes he yells at people? I don't really know.

G: And Sam, he's like, "Who gave a shit?" Dean said this, and he was like, "You're right, Dean." [both laugh] What's that about?

C: I mean, Sam says, "Yeah, sure," which isn't enthusiastic agreement.

G: Well, he says, "That sounds healthy," which is a "Come on, Dean."

C: But he agrees to stop kicking around in his past when Dean reminds him that his life is on the line.

G: It's always fascinating to me because Dean also spent time in Hell, and it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's probably on purpose that he's not bringing it up, but it's just a little bit- Is that where the advice is coming from? He's like, "I also went to Hell."

C: Yeah, probably.

G: Who do you think has it worse right now? Dean, who remembers the forty years, or Sam, who remembers the one week?

C: Um, I don't know.

G: Yeah, let's play a competition. Who has the worse-

C: Dean has some distance from it.

G: Yeah, that's true.

C: But yeah, I don't know how that really plays out.

G: I think we also just are not sure how acute- how severe- what Sam's memories are. Because-

C: Well, we saw him burning and screaming, that's about it.

G: Yeah, but at the beginning of the episode, when they're zooming out of Sam's brain, it was like there was a gate that closed or something. There was a visual of something passing over. And I was like, "Oh, is this being locked away again? Is the wall sealing that off again?" which I thought was fascinating.

C: Yeah. Well, if he remembers that it felt like a week, he probably remembers that moment.

C: So Dean pulls up the case of the janitor, and they go over to that college lab. Dean's messing around with the mannequin, and it stares at him creepily. Then he-

G: He pulls out the heart, and he he turns to Sam and goes, "Be my valentine?" which I love because this is his just go-to joke [C: True.] whenever he handles a heart of some kind because he also says this in "My Bloody Valentine." He thinks he's so funny. And then, when Sam was like, "Dean, put it back," Dean goes, "Have a heart!" [laughs] That was fun to me, personally. [C laughs]

C: Yeah. Well, Dean gets a call from Lisa and rejects it.

G: No, that is so rude and mean, and horrible!

C: No, I really don't get it. She says later that she called him six times, and he ignored it? Why?

G: Why is that? It's just- Is it at some point, he was like, "If she's rejecting me, I have to twist it in a way where it's my choice and it's my benevolence that is causing this."

C: I mean, what he tells Ben seems to be just that he realized that it was better for the Braedens if he stayed out of their lives, so it could just be a "Eventually, she'll stop and move on." But then, when she did stop and move on, he came in extremely jealous, so.

G: What a horrible scene! I hated it.

C: No, yeah, they really made decisions about the Deanlisa relationship that I didn't really view as parts of the Deanlisa relationship.

G: Yeah. "Oh, you're gonna go out and fuck a doctor? Eugh!"

C: Well, but then he tells Ben, "It's okay. Your mom's an adult, and she can go out and fuck a doctor." [laughs]

G: Yeah. I never want to know what anyone who I was ever involved with, who they're dating now. Not once in my life. So I just do not understand this impulse of Dean to be like, "So who is he?" Who wants to know that?

C: Eh, I mean, is it not coming from the same emotional place? Not wanting to know and wanting to know?

G: Is it? What what emotional place am I coming from, Crystal?

C: I don't- I don't know. [G laughs] What emotional place are you coming from? I think either way, it's like, "I will be upset from knowing." But sometimes, you want to purposefully upset yourself because you feel you have more control over the situation if you have the information that upsets you.

G: So then just stalk the guy. Just stalk the doctor. You don't have to ask her. [both laugh]

C: So true. That's a better method. Go do that, Dean.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: Sam totally clocks that Dean has rejected a call from Lisa. And this starts the thing where, this episode, he keeps sort of pushing Dean to talk to her in a way that I do think is cute. I think it's nice in a "Well, let's stop focusing on my problems and focus on your problems, Dean" way. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be in contrast to, you know, how [overlapping] soulless Sam's like, "I pretend to care about Lisa and Ben, but I don't! I couldn't care less about them!" [both laugh]

G: Truly an iconic moment.

C: Yeah, truly an iconic moment. But yeah, no. He's back to the wanting to help Dean emotionally, I think feeling good about knowing that he can create a positive change there, and then also just being a bit teasing like he was with Cassie in Season 1. It's cute. But yeah, Sam's like, "You should just talk to her!" and Dean's like, "Fuck off." Sam's EMF starts going off really loudly near the mannequin, but they can't really figure out what might be triggering it. They spot a security camera and look at the footage, but it blacks out at the moment the janitor starts freaking out about a few drops coming down his head, and then it just shows up again with him down on the floor. Meanwhile, there's a brief scene where Sam has come back from interviewing the janitor's girlfriend. Found no dirt on the guy at all, and they also didn't find anything weird about the lab building.

G: Yeah. Then we go to this mannequin factory, [C laughs] and there's a guy there who gets killed the same way as earlier.

C: And he's Asian!

G: He's Asian, I forgot to say, oh my god. He is Asian! Wonderful.

C: Yay!

G: Love is love.

C: Sure. [laughs] #Homophobia.

G: Why is it homophobic?

C: Oh, because I said, "[reluctantly] Sure!" like that. [G laughs]

C: Yeah, exact same way. Starts with the cut on the head. It's the same pattern.

G: So Sam and Dean are there, and they're like, "Wow! It's a mannequin factory. There's a mannequin in the science lab." Sam's like, "What if they're the same thing?" Anyway, Dean, he refuses to believe it for a bit, but Sam says, you know, "If ghosts can possess humans or whatever-" Can ghosts possess humans?

C: I think. Didn't one possess Sam in "Asylum"?

G: Oh, yeah! Yeah. Well, he's saying, "If ghosts can possess humans, then why cannot a ghost possess a human?" So I don't know.

C: A mannequin? [G laughs]

G: He's saying that if ghosts can possess people, then surely they can possess objects. But the issue is that they seem to be in two different counties, and that's an issue, somehow.

C: They typically usually don't travel that far from the objects or body that they're haunting, I think is supposed to be the point?

G: Yeah. But what is the radius of that?

C: Yeah, I don't know, because it's not like- A lot of ghosts they end up burning the bodies, and those are sort of far away sometimes. I'm not really sure.

G: Yeah, what's the radius? And also, is the county line really the [C laughs]- Do ghosts respect borders? What's this about it?

C: No, I think Dean's just talking figuratively about them being far away.

G: So true, maybe. Anyway, it's three towns over, is what he says. I mean, they do the thing where, when they're doing the maps, they figure out the center of all the attacks. But I think a lot of those are for physical monsters, so maybe not. And what Sam says is- Or what Dean says is this guy doesn't really have anything on him as well, nothing suspicious. But what Sam finds is that in the year ago, in this town or whatever, there was a lady named Rose Brown, who is a seamstress in the mannequin shop, and she just went missing. So they're like, "Maybe this is a lead." And Sam's like, "I'm gonna go talk to her sister Isabel." But then Dean's phone starts ringing for Lisa again. And Sam says, "Why don't you just go, Dean? There's nothing wrong with going," blah blah blah.

C: Well-

G: Oh, no, no, no.

C: No.

G: Wait. When does he say that? He says that, right?

C: Well, he says that after Dean answers the phone, and it appears to be an emergency.

G: Okay. So phone starts ringing again. It's Lisa. And Sam tells Dean to answer it. And Dean finally does. And he answers the phone; he's kind of mad. He's like, "Lisa!" But it's not Lisa. It's Ben. And Ben is saying that something is wrong with Lisa, and Dean just needs to come over, and she won't talk to him. And Dean's like, "Okay, put me on the phone." And Ben's like, "I can't! She won't even come to the phone!" He's really putting his all in this performance. [C laughs]

C: Spoilers.

G: What?

C: I said "spoilers!" but as a joke because we always do spoilers. It's fine.

G: Sam starts arguing that "You can just go. I'm not gonna die here or whatever." The argument Sam says is "I had to deal with my past, and so you have to deal with yours." And Dean is saying, "That worked out horribly. This is horrible advice!" But Sam insists, so Dean goes. It is horrible advice.

C: To go? [G laughs] I don't think it's horrible advice. There's a kid calling and saying that he needs help.

G: I don't think it's a horrible advice, but I think the analogy Sam is using with "I had to deal with my past, and now you have to!" is like, what are we doing here, Sam?

C: I think that yeah, the situations are not akin to each other, but I feel this is the classic Sam behavior of asking somebody how they feel so he doesn't have to talk about how he feels.

G: No, I do love that. I always love that. He's like, "See, it's just each other for real. Therefore I don't have to look at myself at all!"

C: Yup. Good for him. So he goes to interview Isabel, and Isabel really loves Rose, but she says that people often gave her a hard time because she was shy and awkward. She also says that Rose did more for her than anybody else ever could, parentheses "gave a kidney," but we don't know that yet.

G: Yeah, she's just being mysterious for now.

C: Yeah. And she has this photo album that Sam looks through. And there's this company Christmas party photo. And Rose is there, the Security guard, who was Asian, who died, is there, and the janitor at the very beginning is also there.

G: And the janitor and the Asian guy are hugging each other, and I was, "Wow! Love is love." [both laugh]

C: So true.

G: And it is! It is love.

C: Yeah. And Sam learns that basically everyone in town works at this factory, Salzman & Sons, so pretty much everybody around would have known Rose.

G: I feel like the mannequin factory is too general.

C: She was also a seamstress. Rose was a seamstress there, right? I don't think it's actually a factory that produces mannequins. I think it's just a clothing factory that they have mannequins to model the clothes on or something?

G: That is- I'm not sure that's true, but it could just be that they need to dress up the mannequins, and so they hire the seamstress.

C: Is that- You ship out mannequins to stores so that they can put their own brand of clothing on them.

G: Well, sometimes-

C: Who wants a dressed mannequin?

G: There is a huge variety of mannequins that they're working on.

C: That's fair. But yeah, what business wants to buy an already-clothed mannequin?

G: That's true. Maybe this does not exist.

C: Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what this factory does.

Sam calls Dean about this information. The janitor worked at the factory and then quit right after Rose disappeared. So Sam goes back to the factory and interviews a bunch of employees. There's a fun little montage sequence of him talking to a lot of people, and then we land on somebody named Johnny, and I guess this name is relevant, because when the security guard died, he at first thought that Johnny was playing a prank on him, so we know that they know each other.

G: Ooh! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C: So Sam asks Johnny about working at the company, about Rose, all that, and Johnny just gets really scared right away, and he keeps asking, "Why are you asking me this?" blah blah blah. And he keeps trying to cut the interview short. And Sam just goes, "You seem nervous, Johnny." And he says, "Well, I'm upset because the guys who died were my friends!" And Sam goes, "I didn't say upset. [both] I said nervous." He thinks he's so cool.

G: Love it.

C: Very fun, yeah. And then he gives Johnny his card.

C: Dean rings Lisa's doorbell, and she opens the door, looking wonderful. She's wearing a black dress [G: Of course.] like an evil demon lady.

G: Of course.

C: Did she have sparkly earrings or something?

G: I think she has hoops going on.

C: Okay. She has earrings. Her hair is up. Wonderful! And she's shocked that Dean is here. And Dean goes, "Well, you look absolutely fine." and he realizes that Ben has parent trapped them.

G: I do think this is fun. [C: Yeah.] It puts Ben front and center in this dynamic, which is something that they talk about a lot. That's the reason they're staying together, and the reason why it works out is because Dean is good to Ben and Ben likes him. And is this the first time we hear Ben [C: Talk?] talk in any way meaningful?

C: Uh, possibly. No, he has the "I want to shoot guns you did at my age!" conversation with Dean, and Dean goes, "No, you'll never shoot guns I did at your age, Ben!" So that was one. Do they mention Dean shoving them at any point this episode?

G: Yeah, I don't even know. Isn't Lisa like, "Ben doesn't even talk about it" as a big issue.

C: Yeah, it was something that deeply hurt him.

G: Or it could be-

C: He's over it?

G: I think there is also the interpretation that Ben just didn't want to talk about it with Lisa because Lisa is upset about it, and he still wanted Dean to come back.

C: Yeah, I mean, I understand, Ben wanting Dean to come back even if he was deeply hurt by the Dean shoving him thing.

G: Yeah. And he does say later, "Just apologize and come back. I don't understand why that can't be the case."

C: Yeah. But I guess I just thought that that was a bigger part of the problem than this episode makes it out to be. I don't know. Ben parent trapped them because Lisa's going out on a date, and they talk in her kitchen-

G: Not only a date. On a third date. [C: Yeah.] It's a little bit wild.

C: Yeah. 'Cause Ben says, "I know what happens on third dates. I've seen TV." Who are you? Hamlet? [both laugh] Calm down! I don't think them fucking is necessarily a precursor to emotional intimacy and him moving into your life in that way. [G: Yeah.] So we go into the kitchen, and Dean immediately starts- not tearing into Lisa, but being jealous and weird when I assumed this dynamic would start with him apologizing. I guess there's an interpretation where he's just trying to push her away, but I don't think that's true, 'cause he showed up.

G: I don't think that's true, yeah.

C: I think this is just him. Yeah. So Dean asks, "So, who's the guy?" And Lisa is sorta so done with it. But she says that his name is Matt, and he's a doctor. And he goes, "Oh, Dr. Matt. How respectable."

G: And Lisa goes, "That's not what this is about."

C: Yeah, she just goes, "So this is how this is gonna be?"

G: I like that line because Dean saying, "Wow! So respectable." is a dig at himself. So Lisa being like, "That's the argument you're gonna make?" I like that because it is never about that. Lisa has never treated Dean as somehow having a not respectable job or anything. The thing is Lisa's argument for why Dean can't be there anymore is not because he's a hunter specifically. Or is it?

C: It kind of is.

G: Well, her arguments were always like, "If Sam wasn't around-"

C: Well, but this time she just goes, "I'm worried that you'll die."

G: Yeah, I suppose so. I suppose at this point, it is being a hunter.

G: I think that's an inherent hunting problem. Yeah. Which isn't what she was like earlier in the season.

G: How their relationship went- I feel like a little bit like the narrative is trying to paint the relationship as something else to try to justify what's happening and what's happened already, and it just doesn't fly that well. [C: Yeah.] I did feel like, this conversation is- Is this really who they are? Is this what we have been presented with in the past?

C: I think maybe after Lisa had the "You can go out and be a hunter and then come back to us when you have time," there's a shot of her face after Dean leaves. Maybe we were supposed to read that as "She didn't actually mean any of that. She hates this!"

G: Yeah, probably. That's a compromise that is just a little bit too far already.

C: Yeah, so- but I don't know. Okay. I guess that that is how it is.

You know, they have the whole "Why didn't you pick up?" "Well, I almost called you a hundred times." And she goes, "Good to know." And then he's like, "Well, I came here as soon as Ben called me!" [laughing] even though he rejected twenty of Ben's calls earlier that day, I think. He's like, "So I actually really do care about you!" And she says, "Doesn't help me," which I do like. I really do like the way she approaches this argument. And she tells Dean that she's not asking for anything, and Dean says, "Well then, ask for something!" which I also liked.

G: I liked that one, yeah.

C: I don't know why. It was nice.

G: I also like, because I think there is an argument to be made about how Lisa in her, you know, "You can do both of these things, Dean! You can live a double life or whatever," and, you know, condoning and allowing for that to happen, that Dean feels "If she just asked fully, then I can commit fully, but she's not asking that of me."

C: Like, you think if Lisa asked him to give up hunting, he would?

G: Like, if she gave an ultimatum, I think there's a chance that he would have tried a little bit harder.

C: Probably not now with the alphas and Purgatory, though.

G: Yeah, I don't know. Dean has this thing about being needed and whatever. And so I suppose if Lisa needed him just a little bit more and asked that of him-

C: Than the world?

G: No, just in general.

C: Need him a little bit- Oh, more than she currently does?

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah, perhaps. Yeah. And then Ben comes down into the room and they both shout, "Go to your room!" in unison, which is a cute moment. And Lisa tells Dean that she can't ask for something because she knows what she wants, but it can't happen with Dean's lifestyle, and I guess she's not willing to ask him to give that up. And she says that she's had such a hard time with this entire relationship because every time her phone rings, she's afraid that it's Sam telling her that Dean has died. [laughing] Just remembered Dean's fuckass letter to Ben that he wanted the doctor to send if he died.

G: Noo. And it's not even to Lisa.

C: Yeah. And Lisa says that she's gone through this pattern where she is okay, and then every time she's okay, Dean shows up at the door, and that he keeps doing that every time she thinks she's never gonna see him again. So that's-

G: And then they do that montage later to be like, "And these are the times!"

C: So okay, so the times. Okay, I'm assuming that she didn't have a whole having to get over Dean after their summer of love thing. So I don't think "The Kids Are Alright" counts. [G: Yeah.] But yeah, okay, they did have an emotional moment there, and then he left. So that's one. He comes back to warn her about how he's gonna say yes to Michael? [G: Yeah.] And she thinks he's gonna die for sure. That's two. Then I guess he comes back after Sam dies, stays for a year, and then leaves to hunt. That's three. But she did think that he was coming back from that one. He prommied. They were still calling. So okay, so we're at two and a half. And then he comes as a vampire and shoves her and Ben, [G laughs] and then she thinks that he's not gonna come back. So we're at three and a half. I guess that is kind of a lot. Sorry, Lisa. [G: Yeah.] Yeah. And she says that she's trying to get over him. "What are you trying to do? What do you want from us?" And then we just cut back to the case. [G laughs]

G: Yeah. And on the case, Johnny is on the phone going like, "Oh, the Feds are on us! And I'm nervous because Dave and Steve are dead, and blah blah blah." And as he hangs up, he gets the same fucking wound on his forehead as everyone else. But he doesn't die because Sam comes in and salts the place or something.

C: Yeah. He pulls them off to a separate room, and then yeah, salt-lines all of it.

G: He salts the fucking place, and he explains to this guy that there's a ghost trying to kill him. And Sam goes, "Thank god you're so fucking suspicious so I figured it out." And he asks, "You have to tell me what you did to Rose because she's attacking you." And so the guy explains, and we get this scene through flashback. And I was terrified about what they were going to say. [laughs]

C: Yeah, because I feel the assumption anyone would make watching this episode is gangrape and murder. But it's much chiller than that. And I'm surprised that the- Did the writers know that that is what everybody would assume would happen, so then, now that it's not that, this guy seems more sympathetic, so we're more okay with Sam trying to save him?

G: I think they worked backwards, is what I think. They thought, "Oh, the conclusion of this whole affair with the flashback would be that there's a ghost trying to kill multiple people, but who gets killed is the one innocent person involved."

C: Yeah. And also a lot of the people involved who weren't innocent.

G: Yeah. So I think they went backwards with that. And it is a way to- 'cause, you know, Sam and Dean at the end are like, "Well, that wasn't a win, was it? Not close enough." [C: Yeah.] And if it was as severe as what it looked like initially it would be, that would just not make sense. They wouldn't just be like, "Kind of sucky that that turned out like that, right?" They would be like, "No, we did a really bad thing."

C: Yeah, "We should have let her finish first."

G: Yeah. True. So what they say is that Rose is kind of pathetic and never had gone out on a date, and so they tricked her into thinking that somebody was interested in her and told her "Come to this place and meet me here!" And so she went, and there's a man sitting on a table, but she touched his shoulder, and he's a mannequin. And they all just come out and laugh and "Hahaha! So funny!" And Sam's like, "What the fuck is this?" And the guy goes, "You know how guys are when they're all together?" [both laugh] Wild.

C: Wild. Hope that's not true. It often is, though.

G: It really often is. Rose is just mad at them and goes, "Go to Hell." And she turns around to start walking away, and one of the guys is like, "Hey, it's just a joke. Come on!" But as he grabs her hand and she struggles away, she slips and falls over, and her head gets broken open by the edge of the table.

C: I wouldn't say broken open. It looks the injury was only to the skin.

G: That's kind of true.

C: It's a very small- I mean, it's not a very small forehead cut, but it's not one that looks it could kill you in any way whatsoever.

G: Yeah, it's not really explicitly fatal. They definitely could have saved her if they just called the fucking ambulance.

C: But is the- Yeah, I don't know. They sort of gloss over it. It seemed they were portraying her as being dead upon impact, which I don't think is true just based off of the makeup.

G: Yeah, but they should have checked her pulse or something.

C: Yeah, they don't do anything regarding the pulse checking or saying that "She was close to not dying, but then we killed her the rest of the way and buried her to cover it up." It seems like they were portraying her as dead upon impact.

G: Just like that kid.

C: Oh. Which one?

G: I forgot the title. There's a kid who pushes-

C: Omori?

G: Yes, that one! Just like Omori.

C: I think that's a spoiler. I'm not sure, actually. It might not be.

C: I mean, it was told to me as "You're never gonna play this game, so it's fine to tell you." So sorry to everyone who's getting spoiled.

C: We could just cut it out.

G: No, it's inside. It's inside.

C: I don't think "Rose may have been killed like in Omori" is that important.

G: But it's important to me!

C: Just like my half-brother joke about The Kite Runner and the label "family" wasn't that important, but now everyone's spoiled on The Kite Runner.

G: We also spoiled Succession, but everyone knew about that. If you're listening-

C: What did we spoil about Succession? Nothing ever happens on Succession.

G: Logan died. We made a joke about Logan dying the week Logan died.

C: Okay. Well, everyone knew that guy was going.

G: If you are listening to our podcast, you know what happens in Succession. [both laugh]

C: Yeah. Even if you don't watch it.

G: Literally. Just like Severance, I think.

C: I haven't said anything about- Okay. PSA. 2.04. Everyone says that it was written well. It wasn't. Not all bottle episodes are good just because they're bottle episodes and they're weird. Get over yourself, Ben Stiller and Dan Erickson. Anyway, yeah?

G: Hell yeah. I was baiting you to say something about it. And now you did!

C: Yeah. Also, this is coming out after 2.05 is out, so if 2.05 is good, I'm sorry, and I don't hate Severance. But currently, I do.

G: When does it come out, everyone?

C: Thursday, 9PM, Eastern time.

G: Oh, so my Friday morning, I think.

C: Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not gonna see it immediately because it's on Apple TV, which is a paid [laughs] service.

G: I have Apple TV. I can watch it [C: Wait, can I have your-] and I can Facetime you to show you the screen.

C: I don't think I'll watch it until Friday, though. Also, blank is probably never going back based off of an interview I watched last night. I misinterpreted a line as meaning something, but I think it means something else. Whatever. Who give a fuck?

G: Who is it?

C: I said "blank."

G: Oh, blank!

C: Who give a single fuck. Not me.

G: He's dead for good. Spoilers!

C: No, that's a spoiler. Don't say that.

G: I think he's blank for blank. [laughs]

C: I think "he" is the the part that-

G: Blank is blank for blank. [C laughs]

C: Ugh. Whatever. Anyway, add me @ihateseverance on Peach. [G laughs] You can probably tell who I am because my profile picture is a white square with the words "I hate Severance" in caps on it, and my name written on Peach is "Crystal hates Severance." So yeah, hit me up.

G: So important. Supernatural didn't even get that privilege. Crystal just watched SPN. Crystal didn't hate it.

C: Yeah, I don't care enough about Supernatural to hate it.

C: Yeah. And that's the vital part about it, etc.

C: It can't betray me because I never trusted it. Okay. And everyone who thinks that I don't the episode just because blank is blank for blank, it's not that. It's that the Season 2 pacing has been bad, and Episode 4 was their chance to turn it around, and they dropped the ball. Anyway.

G: Yeah. Love a ball dropping. [C laughs]

C: The weight and heft?

G: [laughs] The weight and heft- He doesn't say "the weight and heft."

C: What does he say? The heft and-

G: The heft and the- Maybe he does say "the weight and the heft."

C: I don't know. This is called [typing] "peace of mind supernatural transcript."

G: It's "the heft and the shape"? "The shape and the heft"?

C: That sounds right. But let's see what the transcript says. Yep, it's "the shape and the heft." [G: Love it.] I'm sorry for misquoting you, Castiel. [G: Well.] Love a ball dropping.

G: So she's now on the ground. Somebody tries to call the cops. The other guy's like, "We can't do that. We need to bury her!" And so- They definitely killed this woman. [C laughs] There's some handwashing that happens as Sam talks to Johnny where he's like, "I didn't kill her."

C: Okay, Steve says that he shouldn't call the police because it would count as involuntary manslaughter. If she was just on her way to dying- And also, wouldn't they be calling the ambulance and not the police if she was still alive? I think she is supposed to be dead already. He would call it assault that he was worried about being arrested for, not involuntary manslaughter. So I don't think they directly killed her after she fell.

G: Really?

C: Yeah.

G: And I think there is some acknowledgement that it looks really bad because they go, "The cops are not gonna believe us, even, that this is what we did," so. Sam is like, "Wow, I can't believe that you won't even admit that you're part of it. Look me in the eye and tell me none of it's on you." And then he just goes, "Look, I'm not saying you deserve to die-" [both laughing] but maybe he does. I don't know. Anyway.

C: I wouldn't say that.

G: Sam argues that "Just stay in the circle. I'm gonna go burn the body. Just stay there."

C: Johnny goes, "You just want me to stand here all night?!" even though he was previously sitting, and there's multiple tables and chairs in the room.

G: And there's literally a fucking floor.

C: Sam should have said, "No, I want you to sit there all night." But no, he just goes.

C: Back at Lisa's, Dean goes over to talk to Ben, who's playing Plants vs. Zombies on his phone. Throwback. Ben says that he called Dean because it was an emergency because this was Lisa's third date with the doctor, "And he knows what that means!" Dean has a moment of like, "Eugh!" [G laughs] But yeah, he tells Ben, "You know, your mom's an adult. She gets to live her own life." And Ben asks, "Why won't you come home? Can't you just say 'I'm sorry' and then come back?" And Dean says that he can't and won't. Ben starts wondering if he did something wrong to make Dean leave, and Dean's like, "Nonononono, that's not true," except he doesn't say it in that way. He says it in the [laughing] gruffest, machoist, glaring voice ever, which I guess is him trying to drive home a point. But I think I don't know if that actually works with what you're trying to go for with Ben emotionally. But yeah, he says, "You didn't do anything, and you know, you'll understand this when you're older." But Ben tells him to not talk down to him. So Dean just says, "Well, just because you love someone doesn't mean you should stick around and screw up their life." And the worry isn't that a monster will follow him home, but that his job turns him into somebody that can't sit at their dinner table, and if he stayed, Ben would end up just him.

G: Boo.

C: Quit your job or something.

G: What?

C: I said "Quit your job or something."

G: I just hate that like, "Ben, you're gonna become a hunter like me if you ever touch a gun!" a very common thing that people do in the United States.

C: It's true. They're often doing that in the United States.

C: I just don't- We had that one moment when Ben was like, "I want to be a hunter you." And Dean's like, "No." I don't think it's a given that Ben will end up just him. Also, I don't know. "My job turns me into somebody who can't sit at your dinner table." I feel that would work if we still-

G: Like a vampire? [C laughs]

C: Literally, like a vampire? So true on that one. We saw Dean calling Ben while he was going off on hunts with Sam, and he was fine? It just doesn't really ring particularly true to me. The only time he came back while he was out hunting was when he was a vampire, and yeah, [laughs] that does turn him into somebody who can't sit at their dinner table, but I'm not seeing any other proof- He had this conversation with Lisa in the kitchen, and he was a bit of a dick about it, but I also don't think that's because of hunting. Nothing he's done here has really proven that being a hunter makes him incapable of being a good dad or boyfriend. Lisa's thing about just constantly being afraid that he'll die when he's out on a hunt, that makes sense. But his "I can't act right anymore, because sometimes I kill monsters!" I don't think so.

G: Yeah. And there is a way about how this is presented to us as if it's the painful truth, which is like.

C: And Ben's like, "I don't think being like you is that bad." And Dean's like, "You don't get a choice in this matter. I'm gonna go, and then you can live whatever life you want." And Ben goes, "You're a liar, Dean!"

G: Love it.

C: The precocious child character. Love to see it. Hate to see it. And Ben's like, "You care about family about so much, but we're your family because we care for you and love you! And you're leaving!" Yeah.

G: And Dean literally fucking leaves.

C: And then we cut to the next scene where Dean literally does leave. [both laugh]

G: And he is, say it after me, going through an AMV as he's leaving.

C: Yeah. [laughs]

G: It is incredible and so fucking funny.

C: Does that happen after this? Right after this?

G: I think pretty much, yeah.

C: 'Cause the transcript doesn't say when the AMV happens. Okay, so Dean's driving, and there's some song playing, I don't know what it is. It's some sad song. Not the sad piano. A different sad song. And it's literally just replays of scenes that have been shown on Supernatural, the TV show.

G: Yeah.

C: It's not even from different angles or anything.

C: No, but I love it because they were like, "Let's put the scenes that have the same situation going on together."

C: Yeah, door opens, door opens, door opens, etc. And it goes back to Dean driving, looking sad. And this goes on forever.

G: You know how Ben was like, "You know, we're family, because we love you, and you're walking away from your family!" We know that's not true because they don't play the family theme. [both laugh]

C: Funniest scene in the entire world.

C: Meanwhile, Sam, who's been told by Johnny where Rose's body is, goes and burns it, and then he calls Johnny, and he's like, "You're safe now. Don't be a dumbass or a jackass anytime in your future." So Johnny's in his apartment, and he's gonna pack and leave town.

G: The apartment is above a bar.

C: Yes, yes, what we see is Isabel enter a pub, and then, briefly after that, Johnny go up to his apartment, which is right over it. He's gonna pack up, he's gonna leave town, and he's telling somebody, "Honey, we're leaving tonight. We need to move on with our lives. I love you." And the camera pans over, and he's talking to a sex doll.

G: Yeah. Oh, that's a sex doll! [C: Yeah.] I don't know. I thought it was just some doll. It doesn't have to be sexual in nature.

C: Dean says "sex doll" later.

G: Yeah, but I thought he was just being weird!

C: No. He was admitting that he fucked his car.

G: What if it's the love of his life doll, Crystal? [C laughs]

C: Those two aren't completely inseparable. Just like Baby is the love of Dean's life, and he also fucks that car!

G: That is very true. I feel this was like a "What are we even doing here?" And I understand that the point is that- Oh, by the way, this sex doll-

C: Kills this guy.

G: Turns its head and then kills this guy. But I feel it was just shock value. "Oh, this guy has a sex doll!"

C: Yeah, I think it's both a "Oh, look! There's something in his apartment that the ghost could possess" and then there's "This guy's a loser!"

G: Yeah. I didn't know that they made sex sauce that were full-

C: Oh. Well, that's 'cause you haven't watched Elementary.

G: Wow!

C: Wait. Also House M.D.!

G: Is there really?

C: House M.D. Yeah, there's the guy whose ex was a yoga instructor, and something about the bidet or something he was using was giving him problems. And he had this neighbor who was really nice and really liked him, but he had this sex doll that was built like his ex, and he was, and you're supposed to sort of feel sympathy for him for his loneliness and all that, but then his neighbor asks him out, and he's not interested, and then he asks- Who's the the rich doctor who House meets in the prison hospital who's in the last season? Adams or something? [G: Yeah.] But yeah. But then the guy tries to ask her out, even though they don't have a connection at all. And then it's like, "Oh, he's been shallow all along, and we shouldn't have felt bad for him and his loneliness with his sex doll girlfriend." And that's the episode. You remember this!

G: No, absolutely not.

C: No? Okay.

G: Absolutely not. Yeah, my friend Arya-

C: Hasn't gotten there yet.

G: No, she's in the cancer arc.

C: Oh! She's getting there, then.

G: And I'm like, "How are you doing?" [laughs] as if she has the cancer, which is so important. Also, in terms of your Elementary, I have been thinking, why shouldn't we do an Elementary podcast?

C: It's pretty copagandish, I think.

G: Oh, yeah. Well, we have a Supernatural podcast.

C: We have- Okay, but they're not directly cops.

G: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is different.

C: Yeah, also, Elementary has a lot of episodes. But I think they do have a pretty robust transcript collection, which is helpful.

G: I thought we were gonna do it after.

C: Oh, no, yeah, that's true.

G: If we do Doctor Who, we'll be doing that truly forever.

C: Well, I thought we were only gonna do the doctors that we like [laughs] or the companions that we like.

G: Who are even?

C: It just means that we're skipping Eleven. That's it.

G: Why do we not like Eleven.

C: [laughing] I just find him annoying, personally.

G: Eleven is after David Tennant, so it's Matt-

C: Smith, correct. It's just Moffat's era of Moffating out the most, I think.

G: People also say that Twelve doesn't have a good situation.

C: [laughing] People can say whatever they believe.

G: Yeah, people will say they're not in love, even.

C: Yeah. I mean, okay, there are issues with Twelve's arc. But I don't know. I really think that his seasons are quite tight. I think Bill's season is a little more messily written, but it's fine, because she's so charming and charismatic.

G: So Sam goes to Isabel's place to see what other stuff Rose might have, and Isabel basically hands him a box and says that "I sold her clothes to Goodwill. She didn't have many things." Sam figures out in a way that I can't really comprehend that she is in university.

C: He sees a stack of chem textbooks in her apartment.

G: Ah. He figures out that she was in the lab where the janitor died, and she was in the factory. Does she work in the factory?

C: Yeah. She works on the factory.

G: Okay. So she's in the factory, and she was at a bar last night, and Sam realized, "It's all you! It's all you! Something is attached to you! What are you wearing of hers? What do you have of her?" Isabel just goes, "The only thing I have of her is... a part of me! When I was 16, she gave me one of her kidneys." And I was cheering. I was clapping. I was going, "Woohoo!"

C: That is fun.

G: It's very fun. I do hate that the solution is to just kill this woman.

C: Just kill her. I mean-

G: There's gotta be another way.

C: I mean, that wasn't the solution they were going for. It just happened so they could wrap the episode up cleanly while going, "Wow! What a bummer!"

G: Yeah, I think I would try getting a blessing from a priest.

C: Uh-huh.

G: Haven't they ever tried something else? I think it's always salt and burn, right?

C: Well, this one, they said that they were gonna do a temporary hoodoo thing?

G: Yeah. But they did explicitly say that "It's not gonna last her long." But you know, maybe it will. I don't remember if we ever explore this again in future episodes.

C: I think they could have just asked her to move, right?

G: That is also what I was thinking. "Never associate with these people ever again, never go here again."

C: Yeah. But I guess if she learns what happened to her sister, if he gives her the full details, she might be like, "No, I'm staying until she gets all of them."

G: Literally. And that is also something that I found- When Sam was burning the body, all I can think of is, "She still has a sister who's looking for her."

C: Yeah, I mean, Sam came by as a fed presumably as a "We're reopening the case." She probably had some kind of hope regarding answers, and even if they had solved it the way they normally do, I don't think they would have told her. She would have just been left disquieted, having been roused from despair and then put back to sleep. [G: Yeah.] Which sort of just happens often in Supernatural episodes. Sorry to all the loved ones of the dead people.

Sam tells Isabel, "I'll tell you what this is about as long as you come with me!" And then he drives her over to some fucking gas station or whatever where Dean pulls up in his Impala, and then the two of them are just standing outside, discussing things. I know she thinks that they're feds, but wow! No survival instinct. [G laughs] Sorry to Isabel that this happened.

G: No, yeah.

C: So yeah. Sam and Dean are talking about what they can possibly do. They can't take out the kidney and burn it because she needs it, but they also can't take it out of her. Dean thinks maybe Dr. Roberts could get her a replacement kidney.

G: I love the bit here where they talk about Dr. Robert. Because Sam was like, "It's so dirty because it's above a butcher!" And Dean was like, "No, actually, it's very clean." [C laughs] And I was like, "Wow. He came around." [C laughs]

C: Yeah, he sure did.

G: Love is love!

C: Sure. Yep. Stopped his heart in more ways than one. Sam says that they should try hoodoo, but Dean says that's more of a Band-aid, not really a cure. And we don't really know what it is that they're planning, because Isabel has at this point come out of the car and been like, "What are you talking about? You are not feds." And just as they have to explain themselves, the Impala turns on.

G: Starts revving. 'Cause it is a representation of a person, is what it is.

C: Of what? Dean's girlfriend?

G: Yeah!

C: So yeah. And Dean starts going, "No, no, no, no, no. She possesses sex dolls. This is not a sex doll!" Keep saying it, Dean. Maybe I'll believe you in a few years. And then the Impala starts driving at them, trying to run them over. Sam tries to get Isabel away, and then Dean tricks the Impala into running into a wall.

G: And he goes, "Sorry, Baby," or something before it hits the wall.

C: So it shatters a bunch of glass, and Dean turns around, and one of the shards of glass, [G screams] but only one, has just perfectly stabbed Isabel, somehow, directly in the kidney, but from the front, not the back.

G: Yeah. Yeah. She dies. RIP.

C: Well, Rose's ghost shows up. [G: Yeah.] And she goes, "Sorry! I didn't mean for this!"

G: "My bad!"

C: And then she burns up because she ghost-killed herself.

G: No, because the kidney has been killed!

C: But it hasn't been salted and burned.

G: Yeah, the concept of a salt and burn is nebulous in Supernatural, as we have previously discussed.

C: Okay, so it's because the kidney was punctured?

G: Yeah, it was destroyed.

C: Alright. Why not?

G: I don't know. Maybe she just ghost-suicided.

C: So yeah, she burns up, and Isabel's dead. RIP!

G: RI fucking P. I do feel bad for them, and you're supposed to. So yeah, sorry to these two people whose life got fucking destroyed.

G: Sam and Dean are now at the fucking scrapyard, and Dean's fixing the car, and Dean is like, "What the hell was that?" And Sam says, "Yeah, I don't know. I'm not putting it in the win column, either." And Dean says, "We saved a few dicks, and we killed an innocent girl. I got a heartbroken kid and a woman who's so pissed at me. [C laughs] I see what you mean about facing your past. It's awesome. Thanks." How is that facing your past? The first one?

C: Yeah, the first one doesn't seem very related to facing your past. [G: Yeah.] Does he really think that the Lisa situation is a bigger deal than how he caused that woman's death?

G: And it just pissed me off that-

C: "A woman who's so pissed at me" is not how I would describe Lisa!

G: Also, I just hate that it's like, "Sam, you may have killed many innocent people. You may have been really reckless with your hunting in a way that put people at risk and, you know, blah blah blah. And you may have fucking terrorized entire communities. But Lisa's so mad at me!!! [C laughing] And we're so equal in this way!" It pisses me off. And I know Sam is the one who started it, but it's just annoying to hear. Sam has an entire year and a half or something of his life that he does not remember, and he is on the verge of dying every single day. [both laughing] I feel like these are not the same.

C: Yeah. I agree.

G: Yeah, but Sam is like, "You know what? We still save lives every now and then."

C: I don't understand why Sam's taking the position he takes for the rest of this conversation.

G: Yeah, who even knows what anyone does in this thing. And Sam says, "Bad luck is in the job description, and it's not all bad, really. Look at me. I mean, at least Satan's left the building. And I have a soul because of you. I never thanked you for that, did I?" Corny! [C: Mm.] And Dean thought so, too. [both laugh] And Dean says, "You would have done the same for me." And Sam just says, "Let's just keep our head down."

C: "Whatever we face, we're gonna face it on our own terms, and no matter what, we're gonna do it... together." [both laugh]

G: "And no matter what, we have each other's back. And no matter what we'll get through it."

C: "We're brothers! And no matter what, we're family."

G: I mean, I am a little bit glad that they're back to Season 5 shenanigans.

C: Stupid as fuck. What I don't get is that at the end of Season 5, Sam's like, "I'm gonna die now, and your promise to me is that you're gonna go back to Lisa and Ben, and you're gonna live a normal civilian life and not hunt anymore." And now, in this situation, he's like, "Dean, no, it's okay. Hunting's amazing!" What are we doing?

G: I think he's just trying to comfort Dean because that's never gonna work out, so he's like, "Whatever."

C: He just thinks that he can't get Lisa and Ben back anymore?

G: Yeah. And he's like, "I can't just keep harping on this. I think he's gonna get even more depressed!" So now we're here.

C: Maybe so.

G: Well. What do we think about this episode?

C: It wasn't very good.

G: I loved it! [both laugh] But I can also- You have to remember I'm also saying things recreationally, so we never know.

C: Yeah. And you love a case.

G: I honestly-

C: Not this one?

G: Because I love case episodes, as I constantly say every single episode. This one, I think because they're separated for a majority of it, I have less enjoyment. Because for me, the point of the case episode is to see the dynamics of the people in it, and you know, one of my favorite episodes of all time is "Ouroboros," And the reason why is because it's so many people, and they're all just doing a case, and it's so fun to see the dynamics of Cas and Dean and Sam and Rowena and Jack trying to do a case. And here, because most of the time, Sam is alone doing the case, it's like whatever.

C: I see.

G: Yeah, that's my situation. And you know what? I did find hilarious the scenes where Dean is running away from the car. [C laughs] [C: Fair.] It was more effective to me comedically than whatever it was they were doing a couple of episodes ago.

C: With the sword in the stone?

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah. I just feel if they were gonna do a "Dean can't quit the hunting life to be with Lisa and Ben, and Sam encourages him to stay!" we should have gotten a little more Purgatory or alpha stuff this episode because that's the reason that they have to stay in the game because the world is at risk. But we just haven't had that for two episodes, so it just feels off.

G: Oh, yeah. I completely forgot about it, even. [C laughs]

G: Well, Best Line/Worst Line? My best line is "I don't think plants can kill zombies." [both laugh] I just love Plants vs. Zombies, and I'm so fascinated that it was a phone game, and it is still, I think. [C: Yeah.] Because I didn't have a smartphone growing up, so Plants vs. Zombies is evidently a laptop [C: Browser.] game.

C: Yeah, well, that's fun. I guess my best line is, you know, the end of the- when Dean goes, "If you want to know if I care," and Lisa says, "Doesn't help me," and he says, "What do you want from me?" "I'm not asking for anything." "Well, then, ask for something!" Yeah, I liked it.

G: I do like the idea that just because Dean thought about it, that doesn't count. Thinking about it doesn't count. Love that.

C: Worst line.

G: Worst line. I don't like that the whole reason why they were picking on Rose was because she was awkward or something. I don't know. Do people actually do that?

C: Yeah. [laughs]

G: Why? People are so mean.

C: Yeah. I guess my worst line is the- 'cause we just didn't really get it. His whole "My job turns me into someone who can't sit at your dinner table!" or whatever the fuck.

G: Yeah, I would say, maybe my worst line is just Ben going, "We're famiwy!" Don't like it. [both laugh]

C: Alright. Spreadsheets.

G: Spreadsheets!

C: Okay, the thing about the misogyny is that I think there is an argument for 0, which feels weird. How do you feel?

G: I think there is an argument for 0.

C: Okay. Should we go for it?

G: Yeah.

C: Alright, racism. They mention hoodoo briefly, but I feel they don't go far enough into it for me to know if they were talking about it in an insensitive way.

G: Yeah. They kill an Asian guy. [both laugh] I don't think that counts.

C: 0. Homophobia, also 0?

G: Yeah.

C: Whoa. First 0 of the season!

G: Oh my god, that's so wonderful! We're at Episode 14!

C: Mm-hm.

G: Which means I'm gonna have to guess first. I'm assuming this has a low score for reasons that I may not- No. I would say this is a 7.9.

C: Okay, I was thinking lower at a 7.5? I'm just gonna make big swings. That's just gonna be my life.

G: Let's see... [gasps]

C: What?

G: It's 7.4.

C: Yeah! Yeah! Yay!

G: What are we looking right now?

C: I think I'm winning now!

G: You're winning.

C: I'm winning now!

G: This is horrible!

C: Yay! Yay! Yay yay yay! Okay.

G: Hate everything.

C: Love everything!

G: This one says that Dean actually shows a level of maturity with Ben. True, I guess.

C: True, I guess.

C: Yeah, alright. First one says that they- [laughs] "Plus, no ghost in its right mind would mess with the Impala. Why does she always have to suffer?"

G: Wait. This is Season 6, Episode 14, by the way. This is six years into the show. This one, this review says, "After a slow start, Supernatural is starting to hit its stride"?

C: [laughs] No. About this episode?

G: "Using the old horror/revenge storyline, the viewer has an old school Supernatural episode." Maybe they're talking about Season 6. [C: Maybe.] "Attacking mannequins is creepy and funny. I like the idea of using old horror movie plots."

C: I think they are just talking about this episode.

G: This calls the Dean and Lisa subplot "soap opera style." "I cannot see Dean with a family, and I hope they drop this subplot."

C: "I think the show is trying to add a love interest." [both laugh] Trying? To add? You're right. Up until this point, Lisa and Dean weren't romantically involved at all.

C: "The subplot will probably be a theme for the entire season." It's been a theme for the entire season. We're over halfway through! Yeah, okay, this person calls it "one of the very worst episodes" but they say that one of the best lines in Supernatural is the Plants vs. Zombies one.

G: They're on my side! They're on my side! Wow! This one says, "This is the worst episode of the entire show." Strong words. Okay, well, that's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 6, Episode 15, would you like to take a guess?

C: Is that "The French Mistake"?

G: Yeah!

C: Okay, I'm sorry, they dropped the purgatory plot on on 6.12-

G: It's part of "The French Mistake."

C: - and then they don't mention it for at least three episodes?

G: [laughing] It's part of "The French Mistake."

C: What is the- I mean, I know it's part of it in that "Oh, we have to hide you away because some shit's happening," but they're not involved in any of it.

G: [laughing] Yeah, this is a- Oh my god! Are you excited? [laughs]

C: Not really. I'm mostly just shocked at the horrible pacing. Maybe Severance Season 2 is fine!

G: No, yeah. [laughing] This season is so fucked up. Well.

C: They come back from hiatus, and the first episode they're like, "Oh my god! Purgatory! Oh my god! Eve!" And then they do three episodes in a row that are completely unrelated, two of which are comedy, basically?

G: Yes. Well. Love is love.

C: Do we get back to it after that? What's after that?

G: "And Then They Were None," I think, is after this.

C: Is that related? Is that the one where Rufus dies?

G: Mm.

C: Well, that sucks.

G: I'm not gonna answer your questions.

C: Okay, yeah, that's where the Campbells come back-

G: Jesus Christ. Sorry.

C: - And there's this big hunt, and then they all die.

G: The next episode, Rufus, right? And then after that, it's the fucking Titanic episode!

C: What is Season 6, even?

G: [laughs] What are they doing?

C: What are they trying to do or say?

G: Yeah, I don't know.

C: I just feel like we were pretty solidly on the alphas plot the first half.

G: I feel like when we get to "The Man Who Would Be King," we would be like, "Where the fuck did this come from?"

C: Well, okay, we have "Mommy Dearest" or whatever, right, coming up in at 6.18?

G: Yeah, it's the one with the beheading and the blood-

C: Yeah, Cas being come on. So okay, so after that, we have "Mommy Dearest."

G: God, we're gonna get queerbait! Good, old-fashioned queerbait.

C: And then we have 6.19, which is the one where demons kidnap Lisa and Ben. And then we have "Man Who Would Be King," and then we have Godstiel arc. Why didn't they throw any of these funny ones in the first half? I guess they were like, "It won't work with soulless Sam"?

G: I don't know. I don't know.

C: Well, stupid. Anyway.

G: Leave us a rating or review wherever you get your podcasts.

C: Also, I didn't mean that. Severance Season 2 is still bad. Anyway, follow us on social media! We are on Tumblr at bustyasianbeautiespod.tumblr.com. Our official tag is #BABPod, B-A-B-POD. Thanks to everyone who's donated to our Ko-Fi at ko-fi.com/bustyasianbeautiespod, which is where our outtakes live, and check out our merch at babpod.redbubble.com.

G: You can email us any feedback, comments, or inquiries at [email protected]. See you guys next time! [both] Bye!

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C: [quietly] Also, Ben Stiller, why do you have to reply to everybody criticizing your show on Bluesky with a snarky little comment? Are you that insecure? Is it a marketing ploy? I just- you can just log off. You just keep saying in interviews that the difference between doing Season 1 and Season 2 is that in Season 2, you knew that a lot of people were watching and waiting for it to be good, and that's why the creators even brought back the goats because they didn't have any plans for them, and then everyone wanted to know, "Oh, what's up with the goats?" So then you brought them back, and you had to hire Gwendolyn Christie to do the Mammalians Nurturable, and for what? I didn't want to know about the goats, and if you didn't have a plan for the goats, you don't have to bring back the goats. It just seems like you're making so many decisions based off of having an audience now and wanting people to write thinkpieces or like, "Severance Season 2, Episode 3, Explained!" or whatever. AndI just think that makes your show worse. Get over yourself. By you, I'm also including Dan Erickson. I know both of you are heavily involved. You're just the one who talks more in the podcast, which is bad. No t that it's bad that you talk more on the podcast. The podcast is the thing that is bad. And Dylan and Irving didn't even fuck nasty once. Not that that's a big part of the-

G: Hello.

C: Hi! How's it going?

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