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Episode 110 Transcript: Cunty Diva Voice

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello, it's Grey.

C: Hi, it's Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times...

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian! For today's episode, we will be discussing Season 6, Episode 8: "You Can’t Handle the Truth," written by- it’s a long list.

C: Who the fuck are these people?

G: So story by David Reed, Eric Charmelo, and Nicole Snyder. Teleplay by Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder.

C: What teleplay?

G: Like, it's the script. I don't know. Like, it's story vs script or something. [C: Okay.] then directed by Jan Eliasberg. We all know Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder, like, they're gonna be here.

C: Do we?

G: Well, I mean I do. Eric Charmelo is gonna be- okay, he's gonna-

C: Oh my god, he wrote “Dog Dean Afternoon,” your favorite episode.

G: Yes! Oh my god! That's why I know him! And intimately, even!

C: Okay, I have heard of him because I think he either liked or retweeted Destiel fanfiction once. [G: Oh, yeah.] Or no, Destiel art.

G: Probably. Yeah. Nicole Snyder. They're the combo, the duo.

C: And this director has only directed this episode.

G: Yeah. “Dog Dean Afternoon.” Writers of all time. One would even say the writers of the best episode of Supernatural. [both laugh] But you know, let's see when we get there. This episode, "You Can't Handle the Truth," they're going to borrow an element of this in the future with Jack.

C: Yeah, he truth spells everybody, and then they're like, "We gotta kill him."

G: Yeah, but it's not really- I think that one is played a lot more for comedy, but probably just because late season Supernatural is so fucking funny, so that's probably why I think it's hilarious. This episode, I do think they do clever things with it. I enjoyed the case. I like the case. I think, for example, we realize- maybe you realized this before me, but we realize when the Dean thing happens where he like, curses everyone to be honest with him, that like, it's triggered by saying, "Oh, I just want the honest truth" or something. [C: Yeah.] And I think they do it subtly enough in the previous times that we've seen it that like, you don't really catch that that's what's happening.

C: Yes, you do. [G: No!] They zoom in on her mouth in the cold open. Were you knitting?

G: [laughing] I was, but- [laughing]

C: [laughing] Okay, next.

G: At what point do I need to stop knitting while watching the episode? To be fair, I did try watching that episode-

C: When you start watching the episode. [laughs]

G: [laughing] No, like, in the long run in life. At what episode should I start not knitting?

C: You know what? Probably Season 6 doesn't matter until "Man Who Would Be King."

G: I mean, Cas is in this episode very briefly, which I loved. I love it!

C: Yeah, why did they have sex on my screen? [both laugh]

G: No, that pouring the thing is crazy! I did put down my knitting. [both laugh] Yeah, well. I think I have said this many, many times; many, many, many times, but I do love it when Cas is like a mysterious guest who shows up only for a bit of the episode. Love it! [C: Yeah.] Always. Always do, always will, always have. Well, yeah, what did you know about this episode, actually? Did you know that Dean and Cas were gonna have gay sex?

C: You misled me about it last time because I think I thought this was the "fight the fairies" episode, and you were like, "Yep." But it's not. So I didn't know anything about it.

G: [laughing] Okay, I'm so sorry I don't know. I mean, "You Can't Handle the Truth" feels like-

C: It sounds similar to "Clap Your Hands If You Believe," yeah.

G: Yeah, sounds like it could be a title of an alien episode.

C: I agree.

G: But apparently, it's not. I actually forgot that they do this gimmick because this whole, like, "everybody is going to be brutally honest with me," or around me is a thing that I only remember from, you know, Season 14 when it happens.

C: I knew there was an earlier truth spell episode that happened because there were people in the Destiel world who are like, "Well, what if Cas showed up after Dean had said the thing. Let's think about it." [G: Ah.] But yeah.

G: Okay, slay. I mean, I also realized, in the- they did a "coming soon" or whatever part, a couple episodes back, and they did have a part where Dean was like, "You can't lie to me anymore. What is it, Sam?" You know. [C: Yeah.] Love the Sam bits this episode. Truly do.

C: Yeah. I thought the case was whatever. I think the Sam stuff was interesting.

G: I think the case is good for what they were trying to do, which is, you know, it's not really a case episode where it's about the case. It's very much not about the case. [C: Yeah.] Yeah. So I appreciate it for what it was. I do want to have just a plain old regular case episode again, but I guess until Sam is not soulless anymore, we can't really have that, can we? So yeah, love a case. Where are we gonna have a case? This season is going to have that scene where Cas is about to get eaten by a vampire or something, and then Dean chops its head off, and then it's like, blood that sprays like cum on Cas. [laughs]

C: Ohhh, yes! Yes, I know of what you speak.

G: [laughing] Literally unrelated to anything that happens this episode. I just thought I'd bring it up. Okay, well. "Road So Far." Just basically what they did before last episode and also last last episode. I do think that they do a good job of really putting us in the situation of Dean's, I don't know, emotional state. They focus a lot on Lisa and Ben, and then they focus a lot on the insecurity he feels with regards to Sam. Later on, we'll discuss it as like- But I do think if you watch this, and then you watch the final scene of the episode, you understand. They connect the themes well where it's like, Dean is like- Was it last episode? Oh, no, no, no! I thought they said this last episode, but I thought, "Maybe it's too in your face to say this." But no, it was said by someone who reviewed it on IMDb. [laughing]

C: What?

G: What somebody said, that like, "I can't believe Dean is losing everything! He's losing Lisa and Ben and his trust to his little brother." You know, all that.

C: Well, he tells Bobby, "You're the only one I can talk to about Sam and Lisa and all that stuff," so he basically says it.

G: Yeah. And the last scene of this episode is about that. Like, Dean realizing that he has lost it. He lost Lisa and Ben because of his brother, who he has also lost. And it's like, well. Slaycay. I mean, it's, you know, I have complicated feelings about it. But okay, let's proceed.

G: First scene of this episode is, we are at a... dun-dun-dun! [both] Biggerson's! Love it! Love a Biggerson's. We have seen a Biggerson's before in Season 3 with Bela, right? [C: Yes.] That was a Biggerson's. They won a whole year free burgers or something.

C: A bunch of free meals from it or whatever.

G: Yeah, love it. But like, I don't think we have seen a Biggerson's as prominently as this after.

C: Probably not.

G: Yeah, I mean, Biggerson's is gonna be a big deal next season. They really go ham on the Biggerson's. One may even say they go big on the Biggerson's. But basically, this woman who is working as a waitress tonight, is calling her friend or her [both] sister, I think. And she's saying that like, "Yeah, it's just this guy, he didn't really call me back, but like, maybe I should call him! We had a good time," and you know, she's doing all that. And then she goes, "Ugh, it's just so complicated. But I just- I just need the truth." And apparently, it zooms in her mouth. Who give a shit?

C: Yeah, yeah, it's just her mouth. [both laughing] It's clear immediately from the first one minute of the episode that that is what triggers the truth thing.

G: Well, have you considered that some people are not looking at this screen all the time for the entire 42-episode run of this episode? [C laughing]

C: Well, yeah, I have considered it, and I think those people should grow up. [G laughs] No, it's literally fine. You should knit.

G: Yeah. And you know, she goes out and about. This is so funny because I thought it was the cook that cursed her or something! [laughing]

C: With his cum?

G: Yeah, anyway, the cook says that, "Hey-" You know, she's getting soup from him to serve to the people, and he tells her that like, "Hey, stay away from the clam chowder. Flavored it with my own... dot dot dot... seasoning." And she's like, "Okay, weird. The fuck?" She goes out. A guy who's a manager in a store tells her, “You know what? Our new waitress? She's so much hotter than you. She's like an 8, and you're like a 3.” He doesn't say it in a gay voice. [C laughs] He says it in like a derogatory way. I mean, I guess, also, if you say it in a gay voice, it's also derogatory.

C: It's still derogatory. [laughs]

G: But you know what I mean. He's not saying it in like a "I'm a cunty diva" way. And then she goes up to a lady. The lady goes, “I killed a homeless guy once by running over him, and I didn't even stop to see if he was alive.” Another little girl is like, “I hate my mommy!” and that she'd want to burn her in her sleep. You know, it's just all of this, you know, like someone telling her, she's a creep. "You're pathetic. A desperate loser." And then eventually, she just gets overwhelmed, opens a drawer, picks up a gun, and then she goes to call her sister. And her sister is like, "Oh, you sound horrible! Have you been drinking? Oh, you're a freak." And she goes, "You're certifiable"? [laughs] Love it! Yeah, she says, “Every time my phone rings, I hate it so much, and I want you to kill yourself. Why don't you just kill yourself?” And then she does. Yeah. And the way she does it is like, you know, we get the blood splatter and it like, pans up, and as the blood splatter happens, and it's at a Biggerson's sign.

C: So her sister says that she hates getting calls from her because she always has "another crisis." I feel like talking about whether or not you want to call a guy back is like, just- that's part of the friendship and sister contract.

G: That's regular, yeah.

C: That's not a crisis. It's a fun thing you bring to your friends so you can have a conversation. I feel like if they wanted that to land, she should have actually been having a crisis at the beginning.

G: Yeah. And also like, later on, the way it was portrayed, or when Sam and Dean interview the sister is that this waitress has always been like depressed or something. Like, yeah, she has suicidal tendencies, and this pushed her over the edge kind of thing. [C: Yeah.] And it's like, we don't really get that vibe. So yeah, like, I suppose-

C: I mean, she has a gun in a drawer. I think that says something, yeah.

G: But like, it's at work. [laughs]

C: Yeah, in case she wants to kill herself at work, too. [laughs]

G: I mean, where else are you gonna do it?

C: Yeah. [laughs] Dean's talking to Bobby on the phone, and Bobby's like, "Maybe I do love you like a coworker." He just doesn't seem super engaged in what Dean said about just, "Something's off with Sam." Dean thinks that he might be possessed by Lucifer, which is fun. I didn't think about that as a potential way Dean could think about it.

G: I mean, the last time Dean saw Sam was he was possessed by Lucifer. It makes sense. I didn't consider it, too, but from Dean's entire point of view, it makes complete fucking sense. I just hadn't thought of it before.

C: Yeah, he just stayed in there. He's been calling Cas. No answer. And Bobby's like, “Are you sure that what you saw is what you saw?” And Dean's like, “Um, yes. And also, I'm gonna kill him!” [both laugh] And Bobby's like, “Okay, I agree that something's off. Just don't kill him yet because we need to know how to kill him [both laughing] before you try.” So true.

G: Bobby's never beating the coworker allegations.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: Later, this is the episode where he tells Dean, "You're my favowite!" [C: Yeah.] And he's like, under a spell, so he can't even lie. This is the whole fucking truth. And we know it's true, but like, we know it's double true.

C: But yeah, Bobby is just like, “Whatever, suck it up. Get in the car with him. I know he gives you the creepy-crawlies, but he is your case. Pay attention.” So Sam comes up with sandwiches for the two of them, and Dean's like, “I was just calling Lisa!” And Sam puts on like a fake sympathetic face about how she still hasn't called him back.

G: Yeah. [laughs] But like, it's not effective. He goes like, "Oh, she, you know, she hasn't contacted you yet?" And Dean's like, "Yeah." And Sam, automatically, without any pause whatsoever, just goes, "Sucks." [both laugh] So true!

C: So real. But yeah, he brings out the newspaper with Jane's suicide, saying that it's the fourth in that town in the week. So they go to interview her sister Olivia. They throw, I think, another Obama joke where Sam says, “The reason that the FBI cares about a suicide is because it's a new, more caring administration.”

Olivia seems really nervous, and she lies about how, "Oh, I just tried to cheer Jane up." And Sam gets really intense, and he's like-

G: - smirking a little bit.

C: "You just displayed a tell. Do you know what that is? It's a poker term for when you're bluffing. You're a fucking liar!" Except instead of saying it in a cunty diva voice, he just says it in a menacing, straight man voice. [laughs] Not that he is straight, but that's what his voice is like in that scene.

G: Yeah, but like, he's really giving it all with his sicko smirk in this episode. This entire time, every single scene where he's like, talking about these people he's like, "Ugh! This is so fun! Look at this woman! She's lying!" like, that's the vibe the entire time from Sam.

C: He seemed pretty sympathetic later when he talked to the sister or friend or mom or whoever of that girl?

G: Girlfriend? I'm not sure. Yeah. [both laugh] [C: But yeah.] The sister, mom, or girlfriend.

C: Well, not girlfriend.

G: Are you sure?

C: Because she was worried about her boyfriend cheating on her. I mean, could also be a girlfriend, but I feel like if you were in a polyamorous situation, you'd be less worried about cheating?

G: Was she talking about a woman? I thought she was talking about a guy who- it's the car crash, right?

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, I thought the person who crashed the car was a dude, and she's the girlfriend.

C: No, the person who crashed the car was like, a high school girl who was worried that her boyfriend was cheating on her [G laughs] and who killed her pet cat to summon Veritas or whatever her name is.

G: Okay. Well, love is love or something.

C: [laughs] Yes. Yeah. So Sam goes, “Tell us what you did to your sister.” And Dean's like, “Holy fuck, Sam.” But yeah, Olivia breaks down and says that she wanted to tell Jane, “I love you. I'm here for her.” But what came out was, “You're a burden. Just kill yourself.” And she's crying,and really upset with herself about it. Jane's whole- the whole day, she killed herself because every time she went somewhere, people were like, “You're a loser, and I hate you.” Is that really the deepest truth of everybody who eats at the Biggerson's? I don't know. I feel like the beginning's kinda incongruous.

G: I feel like, if you're eating at a Biggerson's, you would not give a fuck. [C: Yeah.] That's how I feel about when I eat anywhere. [laughs]

C: Yeah. I don't think I've ever had an opinion about a waiter besides like, “I hope that I'm being polite to this person.” Yeah, so after that interview, they didn't find anything in the house that indicates witchcraft, but Sam says, “I bet she was already suicidal because she had a tuba and crochets.” [both laugh]

G: And is there truth to this?

C: Well, you knit. So- No, that's probably not a joke for the podcast.

G: I also crochet.

C: You also crochet, yeah.

G: Yeah, and I keep a harmonic on my desk that I've never used. [C laughs]

C: But yeah, and they're just like, "I wonder why her sister said that shit." And they drive off.

G: We go to a dentist's office. It's obvious that these two, the patient and the dentist, are kind of like, they know each other, previously. And the patient is like, “Oh, this is horrible! You should have put me on Valium. I'm so scawed.” And the dentist goes like, “No, it's fine.” And then, at the background, I guess something's happening or other. I don't know. But like, there's a lady who's speaking in the news.

C: Ashley Frank.

G: Later on, it is actually hilarious that they were like, "You know what the modern-day version of speaking at the town square is? Being a newscaster!" [C laughs] And then they chose one person to inspect in the whole entire newscasting team, and they were right! Like, slay!

C: I mean, her last name is Frank.

G: Oh, that's true!

C: But it was still a logical leap. It was a huge logical leap, I think. [laughs]

G: Yeah. Anyway, the patient goes like, “I gotta be honest, Paul. I don't really want to be here.” And then after this, he is compelled to be honest. And how he's honest is he tells this dentist that he's not attracted to his wife anymore and he's disgusted by her sagging skin or something. But what he's really attracted to is this dentist's kid. And he admits to raping her in her sleep.

C: Yeah. She came over for a sleepover with his daughter, and yeah.

G: Yeah, and the dentist drills a hole into the back of his skull.

C: Yeah. Kills that guy. Deserved.

G: Kills that guy. Yeah.

G: Later on, we find out that this dentist killed himself after.

C: Yeah, but not before telling his assistant everything that the guy he killed confessed to, because Sam somehow gets the information from her, even though she was out of the room.

G: Well, maybe there's like a-

C: Security footage?

G: Yeah.

C: In a dentist's office? That feels kind of HIPAA violation-y [G: That's true.] within the actual dentist operating room.

G: We go back to Dean, who is trying to call Bobby again, and yeah, Bobby's like, "Look. Dean. You may think that Sam is a monster. But have you considered that maybe he's just Sam?" [both laugh]

C: He's just like that now.

G: Yeah, he's changed, Dean. Grow up! [laughs] That's what Bobby said. And Dean is basically like, “No, Bobby. That's impossible! I'll give you a day, and I'll do my own research, and I'll kill this, whoever this is!” [C laughs] Yeah.

C: Yeah, I don't know why- I mean, I know why he doesn't wanna think it's just Sam. But like, literally, the main thing that you hunt are demons. Demons are humans who went to Hell and then got a bit fucked up about it. [G: Literally.] Like, it's fully, fully possible.

G: No, but Sam doesn't react to holy water.

C: Yeah, but I'm just saying, there's gotta be a midway point between human and demon where you're a little bit fucked up.

G: I am curious. I am also curious. If Sam came back here and he, you know, Dean holy waters him, he goes like, "Aughh!" What are they gonna do? They're gonna kill him?

C: Well, Dean seems down to kill him right now, and he's not even reacting to holy water.

G: No, but his reaction right now is not that it's Sam turned into something else. He thinks it's a doppleganger. [C: Mm.] So I do think it's a different situation. He thinks this is someone else mimicking Sam instead of Sam having turned into- having changed into- having grown as a person! [both laugh] Yeah, I'm just curious. I mean, later on, Dean does, in fact, become a demon. [C: Yeah.] But like, it's a different situation. Again, he didn't go to Hell, get tortured, become a demon. It's a different situation. So I don't know. I don't know. It's a fun thought exercise, I would say.

C: Yeah, I think I think they would- I don't know. I think they would keep him in the panic room, at least. If Sam came back as a demon. They were already doing that when he-

G: They would try to exorcise the demon out of him or something.

C: Oh, yeah, they might.

G: I mean, they did do it to Dean. It's from the Book of the Damned. But they have to wait, because it's with Rowena. [C: Ah!] Sam will just have to walk around as a demon for a couple of seasons.

C: Well, they're not gonna let him walk around. They restrained him when he was drinking demon blood. [G: No, literally.] I don't think they'll give him his freedom as a demon.

Dean then tries to call Lisa but then gives up. The whole Dean/Lisa situation this episode and last episode, completely mind-boggling. We came into the season liking their relationship a lot. And now it's like, where did the things we like go? And why can't he just say the sentence “I was a vampire”? Whatever. Whatever. Fucking stupid.

G: Yeah, no, it is so stupid. “I can't explain.” Actually, you can! "I was a vampire."

C: Yeah, it's actually really easy! [laughs]

G: Yeah!

C: Sam comes in with news of this dentist thing, and Dean's like, “You go ahead and interview him. I'm just gonna stay back and do some research!” And Sam's suspicious about this but is like, "Okay!" Sam gets from the dental hygienist that the dentist hung himself in his cell, and yeah, his patient was confessing to some really fucked-up stuff. So yeah, murder? Pretty justified. is what Sam says. And so they realize that some kind of a truth spell is going on.

G: Did you mention the like- "not the sexy kind of drilling"? I think it's a famous joke.

C: It's a famous line, but I don't find it important to my journey. [G laughs]

G: Well, I just want to say that Sam does say, "A dentist just drilled a guy to death," and Dean goes, "Not the sexy kind of drilling?"

C: Dean, they split up. Dean goes to the dentist's office. Sam goes to the morgue. And we see that Dean has been opening an article called "doppelganger." Does Dean have his own laptop now? This is his own laptop? He's not leaving this for Sam to open up his laptop and be like, "Why were you on the page for doppelgangers?"

G: [laughing] Sam, in case you forgot, was dead, for a year. Or was gone from Dean's life for a year. So one can presume that Dean did get a laptop of his own.

C: That's fair. Well, I don't think it's fair that Sam no longer has his own car, but Dean still has his own laptop.

When he inspects the dentist's office, he sees that he recently bought a saxophone and some reeds from Harry's House of Horns, and he remembers how Jane was also affiliated with this store. She had a tuba.

G: It is awfully convenient. [G: Yeah.] What an awfully convenient thing. Because what happens is that this is like, completely unrelated, but when Dean gets there, he realizes that a horn is missing, and the horn happens to be Gabriel's Horn of Truth. But you don't need-

C: Well, it's not. It looks like it.

G: It's not? [laughs]

C: No, it's not! Cas looked everywhere in the town, and he said that it's not Gabriel's Horn of Truth.

G: I thought he was like, you know, he was mistaken or lying or something.

C: That Cas was mistaken or lying?

G: Oh yeah, because it's a god who's- [laughing]

C: Yeah! [both laugh] When did you watch this episode?

G: Literally right before. When I hopped into this call, I just finished it.

C: Nice. Okay. [both laugh]

G: Some lines were not connected, you know? In my brain. [laughing] They were very much connected in the episode, it seems like. So it's completely unrelated at all.

C: Yeah, it's a red herring.

G: Oh! How did they find out that this is what's happening? Oh! Sam looked into the room and saw a dead cat or something.

C: Yeah. He saw the ingredients used for the summoning spell and was able to do research.

G: Okay. [laughs] Slay!

C: [laughs] And this is the quality reporting you'll get from us here at Busty Asian Beauties.

C: In Harry's House of Horns, Dean's interviewing Harry, and he just doesn't have any information to give, but he's like, “Hey, FBI agent, why haven't you found my stolen horn yet?” And he reveals that the horn is about a thousand years old. It's a museum piece. And he shows him a photo of it, and they do not know this horn's provenance, and it got stolen around the time that Jane died.

G: We go to Dean. He's like, on his lappytoppy. Looking up, he finds Gabriel's Horn of Truth, and he goes, in a praying voice, I suppose, he goes like, “Castiel. Hello. Possible loose nuke down here. Angelic weapon, blah blah blah. Kind of your department." And then kind of out of character, you know, out of that voice he goes, “You hear that, Cas?” And then he starts standing up and moving around. And then, whoosh whoosh! angel wings! [C laughs] And Cas is there. He goes, “Hello, Dean!” And Dean looks so sad! [laughs] He looks so sad. He's mad that he has been, apparently, calling for Cas about Sam for a while now, and, you know, he's bitter that Cas only came for "this stupid horn," he calls it. And Cas goes, “You asked me to be here, and I came”! Well. Something something whatever. [both laugh] And Cas said that the reason why he didn't show up the days that in which Dean has been asking for help regarding Sam is because he has nothing to offer regarding that. [C: Yeah.] But he also says that "We know that he's not Lucifer, because if he was, we'd know." And this entire time, they do this thing where- Dean was about to pour himself a bottle of whiskey, so he's holding a glass, and Cas takes the bottle of whiskey, and then, full eye contact, full eye contact, full eye contact [both laugh] [C: Yeah?], he pours the whiskey into Dean’s cup. Fun stuff! Fun stuff.

C: Yeah, not looking down, full eye contact, like, yeah. Not blinking.

G: Dean gets a little uncomfortable.

C: And he's doing it while they're talking.

G: Yeah. Dean notices what's happening and gets a little bit uncomfortable because he like, looks down a bit like, he's like, "Uh, we're gonna have this conversation while you're pouring me a drink, looking directly into my eyes?" He looks down at the drink a little bit, but eventually just looks up, and it's kind of a weird scene. [laughs] Well, good for them. Cas is always in a weird scene or two.

C: Yeah. They did have sex, that was what that was.

G: Was it? Good for them.

C: Good for them.

G: Dean asks like, "What's wrong with Sam?" And Cas says, “I don't know, Dean, I'm sorry.” And Dean is like, “What happened to you? You used to be human, or at least like one.” And Cas says that- well, he said, like last time, that he's at war, and so now he's an asshole with no heart of gold. [C laughs]

C: Yeah. "Certain regrettable things are now required of me."

G: And Dean brings up the Horn of Truth, and Cas is like, “Wait. You've seen it?” [both laugh] which is hilarious, because that's what he came down for. And Dean is like, "Yeah, it's like, around town or something, I think." And then the moment he says that, we hear the flutter of angel wings, and Cas is gone, and Dean’s like, "Oh, fucking hell." or something. But then Cas returns behind him. And Cas goes, “It's not the Horn of Truth." [both laugh] Apparently, it says that. I mean, he does say it, and I did hear it. I just didn't realize that that means that it's not the Horn of Truth. [C laughing] Dean asks like, "What the hell? You were gone for just two seconds. Where did you look?" And Cas, very serious face, very serious face- that's my serious Cas voice. He goes, "Everywhere."

C: "Everywhere."

G: And he says it not as a reveal. He's like, "What the fuck. Why are you asking me this? Like, everywhere!"

C: Yeah. [laughs]

G: Dean is, you know, bitter and a bit upset with him, starts turning around again, dismissing Cas. But then Cas goes, “Dean, about your brother. I don't know what's wrong with him, but I do want to help. I'll make inquiries." And like, he disappears as Dean turns back to face him and Dean takes a sip of his whiskey and goes, "Yeah, thanks." Wow.

C: Well, I think he's like- angrily. I don't think he's-

G: No no no, yeah. He doesn't say it with gratitude. He says it in kind of like a resigned like, "Yeah, you say that, sure." kind of way. Yeah. It must be weird to have a guy you keep on calling, who shows up once every couple of weeks, has really intense eye contact with you, [laughs] and then leaves! Like, it must be a hilarious thing to experience.

C: Yeah, I mean, the last time they met, Cas tortured a kid with no remorse, [G: This is so true.] which I guess is the foundation of the “What happened to you, you used to be human, or at least like one."

G: No but like, it's very obvious the complaint here. I mean, the complaint last episode, too, when Cas showed up, was like, "Sam needs you. Why aren't you here?" Yeah, so.

C: But yeah. Yeah. I guess in Season 5, every time they called Cas, he would show up, right?

G: In Season 5?

C: Yeah, just immediately Like in “My Bloody Valentine” and all that?

G: Yeah, immediately, but also, there are several times where they don't really call him specifically, but he's there anyway. And like, you know, he had nothing better to do, number one. So like- [laughing] He's unemployed.

C: Yeah, he's just bored.

G: So that's the reason why. And now he's misery-employed, so.

C: It must be weird to transition to that kind of relationship with Cas. I mean, this is the episode where Dean calls all the people in his life, and all of them help him to an extent but also reject him to an extent. So yeah, I think this is- I think it was a smart move to have a Cas scene in here to sow the seeds of like, "This isn't Lucifer. This is Sam for real," and also to just have Dean feel generally abandoned.

C: Sam's in the morgue, and he learns that the bodies of all the other people who killed themselves like just straight up disappeared for real.

G: Yeah. And Sam like, thinks that the coroner is fucking with him. So he goes, “Oh, so you're not gonna tell me? What about I give a little something to your supervisor?" or something.

C: "Should I have a little chat with your supervisor?" "Should I give a little something" feels different.

G: No, yeah, he's saying, "Can I talk to your manager?" is what he's saying. [C: Yes.] And the coroner is like, "Look. They're gone," [laughs] which is very fun.

C: Yeah. So Dean's in a bar, and Ashley Frank of news is on the TV. They've made this story more prominent than some of the earlier ones where she was on the background, and he's just drinking. Dean gets a call from Sam about all the bodies disappearing, but also, another body that disappeared was not ruled a suicide. It was reported as a car accident. So he's gonna go to that person's house, because she's patient zero. She died a week before the rest of them. And Dean's like, “Okay, I'll head over,” but before he does, he decides that he needs another drink because being around Sam just sucks so bad.

G: I mean, it does suck. I've said this last episode. It is a horrific situation. [C: I agree.] We go like, "Sam's so funny!" because he is. It is a funny thing to see Jared Padalecki act like this, but it is like a horrific situation.

C: And Dean tells the bartender, "I'd just like the freaking truth." And then the bartender acquiesces. She goes, "Sometimes I think I can't get pregnant because God knows my marriage is a sham." Honestly, a real slay secret. [G: Yeah.] A real fun one, I think.

G: Literally. And then she goes, "Why did I say that?" which none of the patrons at Biggerson's said earlier. I just wish that there was more consistency in how this worked between the cold open and now.

G: Yeah. Only Bobby and her kind of have that reaction.

C: Lisa also has the "That came out way harsher than I intended."

G: Yeah, she does, yeah.

C: And she goes, "I mean, I've been snorting oxy all day. Why did I say that?" And Dean's like, "Oh, okay. It's time for me to have been truth spelled." Dean starts heading out, and they don't like women very much this episode, I would say.

G: Yeah. It's just an odd thing to do, this scene that you're about to mention, just because it's like a very serious time already. We're in the episode. [C: Yeah.] We're having a serious time. And even the beginning of this episode was a serious time. We start with Dean being like, “I think Sam wants to kill me or something.” It's serious shit. And then they have this little, I suppose, comedic relief in the middle that is like so disjointed from the rest of the episode. After this scene, Dean goes out and calls Bobby to be like, “Okay, Bobby, I'm just testing if this works, because now I'm gonna ask Sam what he is and why he let me be turned into a vampire."

C: Bobby's like, "I do some things that are feminine," and Dean goes, “That's disgusting. Bye!”

G: Literally, what was that? Okay, anyway, let's talk about this later.

C: Well, so yeah. There's a woman wearing a low-cut top, and she says, “I'm sitting like this so you'll look at my breasts. I just bought them. I need a lot of attention.”

G: I mean they look great, so.

C: Yeah, good for her.

G: Dean does do a double-take.

C: Dean starts heading out, and then he just [both] comes back? And he just leans his head into frame and sort of smirks, staring at her boobs.

G: Yeah, and nods up and down to show his approval. [laughs] Like-

C: Yeah. [laughs] I mean, I guess she explicitly said that she wanted him to do that, so. [laughs] Thank you for your public service.

G: Looking at the woman's breast and nodding my head vigorously to show that I wuv it. [both laughing] Yeah, like-

C: Yeah. And then he calls Bobby to test out sort of the range of this truth spell. [G: Yeah.] And Bobby's like, “I don't really have anything to tell you. I'm just here hitting the books, drinking a nice glass of milk, and watching Tori & Dean.” And apparently, that's a reality show with Tori Spelling and her husband, and I don't know anything about Tori Spelling, but yeah, Bobby says he's a huge fan of her, and that she's a real talent, and apparently, this is embarrassing enough that Dean thinks the truth spell's happening. Yeah, somebody who knows about Tori Spelling, let us know why this is supposedly embarrassing. And then Bobby goes, "You know what else? I get a pedicure once in a while." So everyone's confessing their deepest, darkest secrets, and Bobby who killed his wife, [both laugh] like, this is what it is?

G: And he killed the daughter of his best friend/lover. Like, there are many avenues to tackle first, I think!

C: Yeah, but Bobby's also been the one who's like like, the hardest on the "We're just talking about our feelings like girls." I feel like- or no, Dean said that. But I feel like Bobby brings it out of Dean?

G: Bobby did also say like, "Oh, are we gonna keep talking like this? Or are we gonna go grow lady parts." So he historically uses this kind of wordings.

C: Yeah. So what I'm saying is, it's possible that him getting a pedicure is actually a deeper shame for him than killing the daughter of his best friend/lover. [laughs] I'm not sure exactly- is something being implied here? When he says that he gets a pedicure at a Vietnamese place, and that one of the employees there gives a really good foot massage, and Dean says that he's scarred for life now. Does this imply-

G: No, I think something's just wrong with Dean.

C: Okay, 'cause I was like, is it also a sex work massage parlor?

G: No, I don't think at all. It's just, Dean thinks automatically- he heard, like, "Vietnamese joint," [laughs] and this is where his mind went. I honestly believe that.

C: I see.

G: There's no part in what Bobby is saying that I think is sexual in nature, or like, at any point in this that Dean can now safely conclude that the endgame is sexual in nature. You know what I mean? Is he just scarred that Bobby has feet that he likes getting massages on? Is the fundamental- At some point, Bobby does remove his shoe, and I did go, "Is she gonna remove his socks?" [both laugh]

C: Is he going to show feet? What is- is his name Jim Beaver? I'm gonna look up Jim Beaver Wikifeet.

G: Okay, go for it.

C: I don't know if he's there.

G: Look at Wikifeet Men.

C: Yeah. I'm going on man.wikifeet.com. [both laugh]

G: It's man,wikifeet.com with an A?

C: He has a 4.72 out of 5, but I'm not-

G: That's pretty good, it sounds like. Many good things.

C: But there's no photos in his gallery.

G: Oh, yeah.

C: So I don't know what people are rating this based off.

G: He was just invested and wanted to put it in there, yeah. It's just personal analysis of his foot aesthetic is what this score is about.

C: Alright, yeah.

G: Jim Beaver, have some confidence. Give yourself a 5.

C: Well, there's four people who rated a 5, one person who rated a 4, one person who rated a 1.

G: Oh! Where the fuck are these people finding foot pics of Jim Beaver?

C: I don't know. They might just be people who like him as an actor and want to gas him up or gas him down?

G: Yeah, this is true.

C: So Bobby goes, "I never told anyone that. Why am I telling you?" Bobby, you could live a much happier life if this wasn't your deepest, darkest secret.

G: No, literally.

C: Yeah, and he goes, "Well, maybe because you're my favorite. Although Sam's a better hunter, lately, anyway."

G: Which implies that Dean is his favorite because Dean was a better hunter, which is also hilarious. [laughs]

C: I don't know if it implies that.

G: No, I think it implies that. Because he says, "You're my favorite, but-"

C: Yeah, I think it factors in.

G: "- but Sam is a better hunter these days." Meaning that Sam's standing a chance. Soulled Sam, he's like, "Who give a shit?" Soulless Sam? Love that! is Bobby's perspective.

G: Sam can be like his son, but only if he doesn't have a soul.

C: So true. And yeah, Dean says that he's cursed, but hey! Maybe he can use this to his advantage. And he's gonna hang up. And then Bobby says, "Did you know my first girlfriend turned out to be a-" and then Dean hangs up.

G: Yeah.

C: What was that supposed to- What was that? What was the joke supposed to be?

G: I mean, I don't know. Personally, I would like to believe it's "lesbian." [laughs]

C: Why is Dean scarred about it?

G: No, I don't know. Something's wrong with Dean Winchester is the only thing we can conclude from this conversation. He also goes like, "No! No! Hm-hm-" what do you mean, "No"? The way he says it is like, "Nope, I'm not gonna get into that because that's gonna scar me for life as well," just like the first thing that Bobby said about his pedicure, and it's like, I don't think it will. I don't think it will. Have you considered that it won't be?

C: Mm. I guess I assumed if it was something, it was a transmisogynistic joke.

G: I do think we're supposed to think of this joke as like, he's supposed to say something transmisogynistic.

C: Yeah. [G: Yeah.] Well, great. Good job, writers.

Dean calls Sam, leaves him a voice message, saying, "There's a few things I wanna ask you."

C: Oh, okay, it's- The roommate is who the person Sam's interviewing, according to the transcript.

G: Sam interviews this girl.

C: Probably college, then, because she mentions her roommate being in school. I thought she was a high schooler.

G: Wait. So she killed her own cat?

C: Yeah.

G: Crazy! What a situation to be in.

C: I feel like, if you need a cat skull to figure out if your boyfriend's cheating on you, you can just find another cat!

G: Well, you can probably go to those antique shops that are like, "We're so weird and eccentric" kind of antique shops. Also, you can probably find it. I bet if we look it up on Etsy right now we can find one. It's probably illegal, like, I don't think they allow it, but like, we can probably find one.

C: I mean, we can check.

G: I mean, I don't know.

C: Etsy.com. Is it illegal?

G: I think there's like a thing about Etsy where you can't transport animal remains or something.

C: Well, I'm seeing a lot of bobcat skulls, "real taxidermy skull."

G: Oh, well, yeah, maybe you can do anything that you want forever on Etsy.com/skulls.

C: Yeah. [laughs]

G: The girl is convinced that her boyfriend is cheating on her, and she was completely obsessed with finding out the truth. And Sam goes to check her room. Meanwhile, we get a Dean/Lisa conversation instigated by Lisa. So Lisa calls Dean, and Dean's like, "Oh, shit," because obviously, bad time. Lisa says that, you know, "Ben won't even talk about it." Dean is like, "Oh, sorry. I know I've been calling you for days and days on end, asking you to talk to me, [C laughs] but I just can't talk right now! Can we do this next time?" And Lisa says that, "You shoved my kid, so like, let's do this now." And Dean goes, "It wasn't like that." [C screams] And Lisa asks, “How was it like?” And Dean just goes, "Uhh, I don't know!" [laughing]

C: Like, hello? What the fuck! What do you mean? What do you mean?? What do you mean you can't explain.

G: Hilarious.

C: Do we need to unpack this? I don't understand it!

G: No, I think we've already impacted enough last episode where it's like, there is no reasonable reason for Dean to hide this from Lisa. Lisa knows that he's a hunter and is currently hunting, and Lisa seems to be aware of his past exploits, and so is aware of what he has to do and aware of the things and dangers that come to him. Given all that, and given that she knows exactly what he's doing, which is hunting, she would understand fully what that would entail. And so there's no reason to hide this. Absolutely none at all.

C: I think if I'm gonna justify it, I think it's the fact that he feels that putting her and Ben in danger by going to their house as a vampire was such a stupid move, which it is, that it would actually come off as worse than him just showing up and shoving them for no reason. [laughs]

G: That's probably- Is that true? You think that's the case? It's an explanation.

C: I don't know. Yeah. That's one explanation. I think it's possible, but I don't- I feel like that comes from a place of Dean being untruthful in order to be able to stay in the relationship, which I don't really feel like is his modus operandi, so.

G: Yeah, like, the relationship is already falling apart, so might as well just come clean. Obviously, the hiding what it is is not working, so maybe telling what it is might work, you know? [laughs]

C: Yeah. Ay-ay-ay.

G: Lisa then says that, you know, she goes, "You want to know the truth? You got so much buried in there, and you push it down."

C: Fucking stupid.

G: "And also, do you honestly think that you can go through life like that and not freak out? Just drink half a fifth at night, and you're good?"

C: I wish she had some things to say about herself. [laughs]

G: I mean, she said that she didn't expect Sam to come back when she signed up for this.

C: That's, yeah. It's something.

G: And she says that the moment Sam showed up again, she knew what was up, and that they have an unhealthy, tangled-up, crazy thing. "As long as he's in your life, you're never gonna be happy." [C: Slay.] I do think barring the contents of what she's saying, it does piss me off that like, Lisa's final- not final goodbye. We see her again. Then we never see her again. But this big breakup speech is one, as you said, very much just about Dean, and also, it's like, "Oh, we're going to fit perfectly into the themes and motifs of the episode." [C laughing] Like, you can't even give her the dignity of giving her own thing? I don't know. Something.

C: Literally anything. Her thing so far has been that she wants Dean in her life because she wants a co-parent. That's not gonna come up at all?

G: The fact that she brings up Ben once, like, "Ben won't even talk about it." And then that's it? I don't know. I thought that was the problem.

C: Yeah. And like, I know that during her time with Dean, she would have learned more about his relationship with Sam, probably, but I don't know. It just doesn't feel right to me that that's her main thing about him is that he has a toxic relationship with his brother. [G: Yeah.] Earlier, when she told him to go out and go hunting, she was just like, "You know, you're not a construction worker. I feel like hunting is like just something that's important to you that you should do." She doesn't bring up Sam at all during that time. I feel like if this is gonna be a major issue she had, it should have been consistent. At least we get a tiny bit of information about her, which is that she has a sister. [laughs]

G: Yeah, because she says that “Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it to come out that badly. I'm not saying 'Don't be close to Sam.' I'm close to my sister.” And then she goes, "But if she got killed, I wouldn't bring her back from the dead!" I feel like that's a you problem, Lisa.

C: Yeah, honestly, I feel like that's a you problem, Lisa. [laughs] If you know that you're in a world where you can.

G: Yeah, you wouldn't at least give it a shot?

C: But yeah, I mean, maybe one still wouldn't, and both of us are the weird ones. [both laugh] Maybe we've been poisoned by the CW's Supernatural.

G: Yeah, there is a very high chance that this is the case [laughs] in many aspects of life, even!

C: Yeah. I don't know. Literally, if somebody that I barely knew died, and I knew I was in a world where you could bring people back from the dead, I'd also be like, "Wouldn't you give it a chance?"

G: Yeah, perhaps.

C: But yeah. I don't know. Is bringing- trying to bring- Dean didn't even do it successfully. Is she talking about Season 2?

G: Yeah, probably. And it did jolt me a bit because I was like, "Oh, he told her about the demon deal! That's something to do, I guess."

C: Yeah, I mean, I think we've established that he sort of has told Lisa most things, and also Ben a good amount of things, which also makes it so much weirder now that he's in the “No, I'm not gonna tell you anything to protect you” mode [G: Yeah.] if she knows so much about his past.

G: It feels so uncoordinated. The beginning of the season, like the first two episodes and this one, because those- the relationship meant something, you know? The whole point that they were trying to achieve was that you can't have one and the other both at the same- Like, the point they were trying to make was that Sam was saying, “You can't have both, Dean.” And Dean's going, “Well, I'm going to try. Let's give it a try.” That's the thesis of the first few episodes. And it's just fascinating that the way they approach it was that Dean does have both, because he is aware, and he is a hunter still, but he also has a family who knows what's up. And the only way they can justify the perspective of “I'm poison, and everybody around me will die if they get too close” or whatever is by erasing fully that aspect of the relationship, the very thing that made it worth exploring in the first place. So yeah, what a great loss. What a great loss! Because it is an interesting idea. And it's such a bummer that they were like, “Oh, we have an interesting idea, but it's not easy to address! It's not easy to analyze and respond to! So let's just break it down to its most basic, most like, nothing- Let's turn it into nothing so that we can explain it away.” [C: Mm.] So like, okay, slay.

Dean says that like, "Okay, well, me and Sam, we do have issues. But you and Ben..." and for a second I was like, "Wait." [both laughing]

C: "- also have issues."

G: Is he gonna accuse Lisa of being of having issues because Dean shoved his kid into a wall? But no. He was gonna say that like, "You guys are important to me!" And Lisa goes, "No. Me and Ben can't be in this with you. I'm sorry." And then she hangs up.

C: Yup.

C: So Sam, searching Corey's bedroom, finds a box under the bed with a cat skull. Her cat, Mittens, who her roommate thought ran away. And Sam's heading down to meet Dean, ready to do some research. And Dean's like, “Um, well, first, there's a few things I want to ask you, and you're gonna tell me the truth.” And Sam’s like, “Oh, shit, you're cursed? Okay, ask away!” And Dean goes, “When that vamp attacked me, why did you just stand there?” And Sam hesitates, and then he goes, "I didn't!"

G: Love that.

C: Yeah. He says that he froze out of shock.

G: He's really putting on the face, too. In this scene, he's really putting on the "I'm a little puppy who's so sad and so little and such a little puppy!" face.

C: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. He goes. “Yeah, it was just shock, and it was too late. I feel terrible about it! Like, Dean, I can't lie here. Do you really think I would let something like that happen on purpose? You're my brother!” which is also what he told Samuel last episode.

G: So true.

C: He goes, "How could you even think something??"

G: "Maybe you're the one who's evil because you think I'm so evil!" [C laughs]

C: Yeah, incredibly funny.

G: How dare you think I'm evil when I'm evil? [laughs] So true.

C: Yeah. Dean processes this, and I don't know. He feels a little bit guilty about thinking that of Sam, but also still unsettled as fuck because then what was all of that? And he just goes like, "Oh, okay. Sorry. I thought I saw something. I guess I was wrong. It's just been a bad day." [G: Aw.] And Sam's like, "It's okay. I got your back! I always have!"

G: Yeah, and he's still doing the face, but then, he turns around to go down the stairs or something-

C: And he goes sicko mode immediately.

G: He goes sicko face. [both laugh]

C: What a slay.

G: Yeah, and he is doing it in a cunty slaying way.

C: Yeah. No, this is a terrible situation to be in if you're Dean, but if you're Sam, you're the greatest comedian of all time!

G: Yeah. And it did break my heart a little bit how easy Dean was like, “Okay, I believe it.” You know, we spent the entire episode with him going, "Something's so wrong with Sam! This is not even my brother! It's not even my brother!" And then you see here, literally just one instance of Sam going, “Oh, no, Dean. I'm being for real," and how quickly he... acquiesces. [laughs] [C: Mm-hm.] And you know, how quickly- There is a thing where he thinks that Sam can't lie to him. But if he does actually believe that this is a creature, not the person, he can go like, "Oh, but that's because this is a creature and not a person." and it really does show you how much Dean is willing to believe. If he wanted to doubt this, he could have. He could have doubted it. But what he wanted the most is to hear Sam go, "No, Dean. I would never do that to you." And I don't know. It makes me sad to think about.

C: I mean, 'cause the whole Lisa thing just happened, and Bobby was also like, "Are you sure you saw you saw?" So yeah, I think he has good reason to want to hang on to what he thinks might be left of his support system.

G: Yeah. And also, Lisa explicitly said that like, "I'm leaving because of Sam." I mean, not explicitly, I guess, but pretty much explicitly. [C: Yeah.] It's the underlying current of the conversation. And so- and I think this is what informs his actions later. Like to think that "Oh, I just lost this relationship because of this." And if it's also bad, it's too much to bear. And so it's easier to just believe that "No, it was just an honest mistake, and nobody had bad intentions, and we all love each other, and we're brothers," you know?

C: Yeah, so Sam does research using the various ingredients found in the box and finds that it is a summoning spell for Veritas, Goddess of Truth. So anyone in the town who asks aloud for the truth invokes her, and then she just gives you the truth until you kill yourself, and then you become a tribute to her, and she eats your body.

G: Quite fun!

C: Other lore, she doesn't like dogs. Her thing is coming down to the mountain to speak truth to the masses so that she could be worshipped. Dean calls her an attention whore. That seems unnecessary. And then they go, "And what's the 21st century version of speaking truth to the masses?" And they somehow make the giant logical leap that it's a fucking news anchor.

G: I did think for a bit like, "Oh, are they going to do a vlog? Like a vlogger?" But I was like, it's a bit too early, I think. I wasn't sure. And then it's a news anchor, and I did find it hilarious because the way they worded it is "the 21st century." I'm pretty sure newscasters were also in the 20th century. [laughs] I'm pretty sure they were actually more prominent at that time. But that's okay. Sure, why not?

C: Yeah. And also, when Dean said his insult about Veritas, I was like, "No. It's not the woman in the bar, right?"

G: Noo.

C: The breast implants one? Because she says, "I need a lot of attention." I was like, "Wait, what?" But luckily, that was not the case, because I don't think I would have been able to watch that.

So they, I guess, sneak into where her talk show, Frank Talk, is, and then they get a lot of footage, and they zoom through it.

G: They look for evidence. I do think this is a wonderful scene to foreshadow that Sam doesn't sleep.

C: Yeah, that soulless people don't sleep.

G: Yeah, 'cause he is buzzing around the room. Some parts are in fast forward, you know what I mean. They're showing the motion across the room. And Dean is buzzing around, eating here, eating there, lying down there.

C: Yeah, sleeping. Sam’s just sitting there.

G: Sam's completely unmoving, even. Not even fiddling as he sits. Just sitting completely still. Very fun.

C: Yeah. And they find a clip where a dog is behind her and barks, and then her eyes start glowing. [laughs] So true.

G: So true. Also, does your muscles not fatigue when you're soulless?

C: Well, that's why he was doing all those chin-ups is his bad posture.

G: Yeah, I suppose.

C: He needed to warm those muscles up. So they follow Ashley Frank to her home, which is very beautiful, very fancy.

G: Really gorgeous. Yeah.

C: Yes, it's really nice. Also, I think she has a scarf wrapped around her face stylishly.

G: No, I loved it.

C: Love it.

G: She had a hair scarf, and her car is the one with like, open head. What's that?

C: Yeah, it's a red convertible.

G: Yes, it's a convertible. And I did find it so amusing because, like, you know how in Thelma and Louise, they're also wearing hair scarves, and I always thought that was just a fashion of the time. They were also in a convertible. And literally, watching this, I realized for the first time that the point of that is to keep their hair out of the wind. Isn't that so fun?

C: Ohh. [laughs] Yeah.

G: She removes it immediately after she gets out. So it's like, “Oh, it's like a helmet for the car, but like for your hair.” Very fun.

C: Yeah, that's fun.

So they go inside, and apparently, the way to kill her is to stab her with a knife dipped in dog's blood.

G: Yeah. And Sam has acquired some dog blood.

C: Somehow!

G: Dean asks like, "Where did you get that? And do I want to know?" And Sam goes, "Probably not." [laughs]

C: Brother mad at him for hanging out with a dog. [G: Literally.] Brother not mad at him for killing a dog.

G: Literally.

C: Yeah, they go in. Nicest house in the world. So beautiful. And then there's a shrine to Veritas in it. Then they go into another room, which has the corpses of all the people who killed themselves. And also, this house is full of cats. They're so cute, they're so fluffy, and one of them is looking at the corpse. Adorbs!

G: Yeah! And also, this looks like very Hannibal-ish, like that TV show Hannibal, which I did find very fun. Yeah, it's pretty cool and later on, she cuts a tongue out of a person, but she does it in a way that looks very surgical, in comparison to how other scenes in Supernatural that feature cannibalism would have been, which I did think was incredibly fun.

C: So she's here, and somehow she's changed into some fucking goddess costume.

G: Yeah, it's a gold dress. I mean, it's not a black, evil woman dress.

C: Yeah, yeah. That's new. She knocks them out and ties them up, and she takes their dog blood knives and puts them away in a drawer. And yeah, she cuts the tongue out of the dentist surgically and eats it. And this is the part of every Supernatural episode when the Winchesters are tied up, and then the villain's like, “Oh, let me monologue a bit about human nature, and also about how you two are the sickest, most twisted people I've ever seen.”

G: Yeah. I'm pretty sure she's seen more twisted people, if we're being honest.

C: Yeah, like, literally, yeah. There was that guy who raped a child in her sleep earlier this episode. Do you remember that, Veritas?

Well, anyway, so she's like, “I love tasting the tongue because it's where the lies are. And you guys lie so much, and when you base your life on lies, the truth comes along and destroys it!” She should have told him to fucking call Lisa and tell her about the fucking vampire thing.

G: Literally.

C: Oh, well. Meanwhile, Sam has a knife in his back pocket that he is surreptitiously using to cut through his ropes. And Veritas says, “Dean. You have to tell the truth. How do you feel about your brother?” And Dean says, “Better now. As of yesterday. I wanted to kill him in his sleep.” And Sam's shocked! And Dean goes. “I thought he was a monster, but now I think... he's just acting like me!" [both laugh] Literally, what does that mean? He's not acting like you, Dean.

G: Well, he says later, "I mean, I'm not a father. I'm a killer!" [both laughing] Most absurd series of words ever.

C: Absolutely hilarious. Yeah. He says that, and that there's no way to change that. And he's so swad. Veritas goes up to Sam and is like, “And how do you feel about getting back hunting with Dean? Huh?" And Sam's pretending that he's struggling, and then he says his fake truth, [laughing] which is such a Hallmark card statement, which I love.

G: No, literally.

C: He goes, "What we do... is hard. But we watch out for each other, and that's what's important." [G screams] Like, why is Sam trying to win the Miss America pageant? Like, hello?

G: But why is this literally every end of episode of Supernatural [C laughing] for like, [C: Season 5?] eight episodes straight in Season 5?

C: So funny. And Veritas goes. “What? What the fuck? How are you doing that?” And she starts freaking out for real because Sam's lying, and she goes, “What are you?” and she goes to Dean, “What is he?” And I feel like that was a fun way to continue ramping up the fear about soulless Sam. And she says, “You're not human.” And Dean goes, "Hwhat?"

G: "Hwhat??" So true.

C: Yeah. But before anything else really happens, Sam escapes the ropes. He tosses the knife to Dean, so he does help Dean free himself, and then the two of them stab Veritas with those dog knives, and then she dies. And Sam's like, “Okay, great. Good job, folks!” But Dean's pointing the knife at him.

G: Dean starts not really lunging at Sam, but more menacingly walking towards him. Cornering him is what he's doing. And Sam is saying like, “No, Dean. It really is me. It really is me.” But Dean is saying like, “No, you're not. You're not my brother. What are you?” And Sam goes like, “Okay, so here's the truth. I am me. And it's just that there's something wrong with me, and I've known it for a while.” He's gay! "I lied to you." He's gay! [both laugh] No, he's not gay. [laughing] He's a really terrible person right now. And he goes, "I let you get turned by that vamp."

C: He can be gay too.

G: I mean, yeah. You know, let's be inclusive. Diversity win. This gay man is so horrible. [C laughs] "I let you get turned by the vampire." And he said his reasoning, which is that he knew there was a cure, and that "we needed an in the nest, and I knew you could handle it." And Dean says like, "I could have died. I could have killed Ben." He could also have killed Lisa.

C: I will say, I think the killing Ben is on Dean. Yeah. First, you could have killed Lisa. Second, you chose to go there while you were a vampire. [G laughs]

G: And Sam says, "That should have stopped me cold. But it just didn't. I just don't feel it anymore." And he says that ever since he came back, he was a better hunter because he's not scared anymore, and he can't feel- like, he can't access those feelings anymore. "I don't know what's wrong with me. I think I need help." And he is doing a sad little face. [C: Yeah.] And Dean is just listening to this. He puts the knife down, and he turns around, and like, laments a bit. And then he turns back around and starts punching Sam repeatedly-

C: Thirteen times.

G: - until Sam is unconscious on the floor with like, a broken nose or something. It's a pretty brutal scene.

C: Supernatural really varies on how many times you can punch someone in the face before you kill them. [G: Yeah.] 'Cause whenever they have fights, people are trying to kill them, and they punch them- they punch the Winchesters in the face less than this, but it's like, "Wow! They're almost dead." But Dean's intention wasn't to kill, I suppose.

G: I don't know. I think I mentioned it earlier that this scene is about what Dean has lost, and he is putting that blame onto like Sam. “I can't believe I left my family for you” kind of deal. I don't know. He also is the one who chose not to tell Lisa anything. [both laugh] I mean, yeah. It is- I don't know. I wonder if he thinks this is quid pro quo? Because Sam did let him be turned into a monster, [C: Yeah.] and even if that is not like a direct thing that Sam did, it kind of is.

C: It is.

G: It is. And so I don't know. Again, I don't think, really, that the episode did a really good job of showing the negative effects of being a vampire to Dean-wise. It showed very well, as I've said, the horror of knowing that Sam let that happen. But I don't think the episode really got to convey that well, the feeling of like Dean being a vampire, and how that's bad and wrong because the episode goes in expecting you, the audience, to think that it's just automatically bad, you know. And so they don't really linger a lot on exploring that. Do you get what I mean? Am I making sense?

C: I think so.

G: Yeah, anyway, so, I don't really know what to say in this part other than "Let's see how it pans out," I guess.

C: Yeah, I don't really have thoughts on this until next episode.

G: And then, I don't know, like, it's still Sam's body. Is he gonna be like- What's the situation?He's gonna have a broken nose? Or, you know what I mean, right? What's the deal?

C: I don't know.

G: I don't know.

C: We'll find out.

G: We'll find out.

G: Well, what do you think about this episode?

C: I like the soulless Sam plot, and I think they did a good job with continuing it this episode. [G: Yeah.] The rest of it, whatevs.

G: Yeah, I do like the Dean and Sam plot. The Dean and Lisa plot leaves much to be desired for me, personally. [C: Yeah.] Well, Best Line/Worst Line?

C: The worst line is, of course, “I can't explain it.”

G: No, yeah, that is a pretty bad line. I do think the Bobby's speech. Every time Dean reacted to anything, I was like, "Dude. Shut the fuck up." Not Bobby's speech, but Dean's response to it. And also just the general way it's written as if we, the audience, are supposed to be completely on Dean’s side of like, "Ew, yeah, Bobby. Eugh!" I personally don't feel that "eugh" about it, and I personally would have liked to see Bobby's feet! So yeah. [C laughs]

C: Yeah, well, you and four people.

G: Yeah. I mean, one of them gave it a 1 over 5, so.

C: No, it was rated by 6 people. There were four 5s, one 4, and one 1.

G: Ah, okay. Worst line. No, that was my worst line. [both] Best line. I suppose I like when Sam was like, "Sucks." [both laugh] No, Sam is hilarious. I'm so sorry!

C: He's pretty funny.

G: I do like when he's like, "Dean. How can you think I'd do that to you? You're my brother!" Or when he was like, "It's tough, the life we live. But at the end of the day, we have each other's backs." [both laughing] And then the camera pans to Dean. It's hilarious.

C: Pretty good.

G: It's like it's a really touching moment. It's so fucking funny! Yeah, what's your best line?

C: I don't know. I think the whole Bobby being like, “Or the worst case scenario is that it's just Sam in there,” is pretty good setup for the rest of the distrust in the episode.

Writer sins. Spread those sheets.

G: Spread those sheets! Well, this is an even episode, so- No, spreadsheets first.

C: No, it's not.

G: It is an even episode! What are you talking about?

C: No, I know, but we're not doing the IMDb guess first. We're doing the spreadsheet first.

G: Yeah. So spreadsheet, misogyny, I do think there is. [C: Yeah.] Do you think we count the treatment of Lisa, or we can extend that to-

C: What would the points be if we did, and what would the points be if we didn't?

G: Yeah, I don't really know. So I suppose we shouldn't. Is that the correct response? I don't know.

C: Or no, it's like- I feel like the Lisa stuff- I feel like the vibe of this episode is a 2 to me, and that vibe is mostly through like, the random stuff, but like I feel like some of the Lisa vibe sneaks into the 2 rating in my head. But like, what's the number in your head?

G: I would say I was actually thinking 1 without the Lisa stuff. With the Lisa stuff, I'm not sure. I think maybe let's address the Lisa stuff in a future episode. Although you know what? I want to address this here, because the way they do handle her, and the way they change her- And I think maybe part of it, we can say that like, she's talking about truth of the matter. She wouldn't say this. Maybe she would bring up more personal things if she was, you know, saying things out of her own volition, but because she is being mind-controlled by a truth god that's purpose is to make you kill yourself, it's purposefully a bad way to do it. And I suppose if you really want to hit Dean where it hurts, you'd go, "Yeah, your brother and you are so fucked up, and you don't even love each other." Like, yeah. So I don't know. I still think in terms of narrative, the fact that we, as an audience are supposed to conclude- I'm playing 5D misogyny chess [both laughing] with regards to Supernatural. Yeah.

C: So what's the points? [laughs]

G: I don't know. I would say 2. [laughs]

C: Yeah, sounds good.

G: Okay, racism?

C: Racism? Eh.

G: Yeah. Homophobia-

C: Racism- wait, I think we should increase the misogyny because of the Bobby phone call.

G: Yeah, yeah, no.

C: Or does that just go into homophobia?

G: I think that goes in homophobia.

C: 'Cause there's also transmisogyny, maybe, so that would go into misogyny, and then some of the other stuff would go into homophobia.

G: Yeah, I think we should increase the misogyny into 3. [C: Yeah.] And then we should put something in homophobia. Do we put something in racism? I do think the pedicure joke relies on a-

C: Yeah, assumptions about Asian massage parlors. Yeah.

C: Yeah, I think that's half a thing or like three-fourths of a thing. And then there's two Black characters in this episode, the manager and the bartender. I think that one-off characters don't need to be morally upstanding and perfect if they’re Black, I don't think that's required, but I think because Supernatural has a history of just not having any positive black characters besides Henriksen, who they then kill so horribly, [both laugh] and Rufus, who we love, but they're gonna kill him, too-

G: Yeah, I don't know.

C: - it is something that I'm more sensitive about. So I think those add together to be a point.

G: To a 1, okay.

C: And then maybe just a little 1 in homophobia, or is the Bobby stuff-

G: Yeah, I think.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, IMDb, I am the first to go. Well, I would say this one... People liked last episode, and this one is like, part two of it. I would say last episode was better in terms of the Sam and Dean, and I really just do like the directing of that episode. I think it's good to look at. But also, allegedly, I don't look at the episode, so maybe I'm not the best judge. [both laugh] I would say maybe this one is an 8.1.

C: Okay. I'll go higher to 8.2, and I'm gonna regret it because I've lost every time.

G: Okay, I'm Hedge, I'm Bet, we are the hedging your bets brothers. Let's see. Oh, it's an 8.4. You got it!

C: Oh my god! Excellent.

G: It's a point something higher than last episode. That's probably find.

C: The picture for this episode in IMDb looks so silly. It looks like a behind the scenes photo.

G: That is- it's called a still or something.

C: Oh, okay, it is? It just looks like Jared Padalecki is helping her adjust the strap on her dress.

G: It looks like Jared Padalecki is trying to cut a piece of a very realistic-looking cake.

C: [laughs] No, for real.

G: Okay, what do people like about things?

G: I think this one addresses that the episode does end with you going, "Wait. Does Sam really think he needs help? Or is he just saying that to appease Dean again?" And yeah, that is the main feeling, I think, that I got from Sam at the end of like, "Okay, but what can you believe?" I did think about how Dean starts this episode- this season with his mind being messed with by the djinn, right? And then Sam's there, and he's like, "Wait, you're fake, too?" or whatever, and then it's not. And how disorienting it all is for him. [C: Yeah.] This part of the season really is about knocking Dean off his feet. Like, it's making him unbalanced. And yeah, I think the show does a really good job of putting us in that position.

C: This person's really annoyed that the mosaic they used is for Theodora, the consort of Emperor Justinian I, instead of a goddess. I did think that looked sort of familiar. I feel like I learned about her in history class.

[laughing] This person says, "the whole 'Sam's soul' arc didn't seem like that important of an ordeal to consume nearly an entire season"?

G: He literally lost his fucking soul.

C: He's one of the main characters! [both laughing] That's his whole soul!

G: Wait, I'm gonna open it all up, and then I'm going to look if anyone mentions Cas.

C: This one says, "For a filler episode, it's actually not that bad." I don't think it's a filler episode.

G: People are not talking about Cas.

C: He only shows up a little bit.

G: Like, they're not saying, "And Cas and Dean even had sex this episode."

C: Someone gave it a 1 out of 10 but seemed to like it.

G: Do you think people who leave IMDb reviews are more or less likely to be Destiel shippers? Probably less.

C: Less?

G: Yeah, well, maybe that is-

C: Destiel shippers are blogging.

G: Our fandom interaction with this show at this point is pretty much like, what I see on my Tumblr account, what people send us when they email us or when they message us or send us asks, and the IMDb reviews, [laughs] which is a very fascinating way to do it. But yeah.

That’s it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 6, Episode 7: "Family Matters." Leave us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts.

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