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So I have a question. One that links back to the scene in Season 4 during the conversation between Nancy and Steve in the Upside down during the last episode and why I'm not really a fan of how the aftermath of it is handled in some fics I've read, but this is solely based off my own opinion.
For the sake of fanon over canon (canon doesn't exist. I dont know her) Let's say theres a scenario where all of the party are together, Eddie and Max are recovering and they're all at Steve's or something like that. But if we're gonna go down more of a canon route in S5 with Nancy, Jonathan and Steve, I honestly dont think either of them will end up together. (Mainly because I have a bad feeling at least two of these three arent gonna make it out alive) but back to fanon, let's say Jonathan and Nancy have broken up but they're still learning how to be around eachother as friends just like Steve and Nancy are doing. Again, I feel like this would've been a way better way to go for their character development if Stancy were spending their time together just learning how to be around eachother again. It would've made for a much better dynamic in season 5 between the three.
Anyhow, I'm getting sidetracked. Goes without saying that Steve is easily my favourite stranger things character. However I've always had some mixed feelings when it came to Nancy, noticing on more than one occasion that while she is genuinely a good person and a complete badass who knows how to get shit done, she seems to have some problems feeling empathy for others, especially if the situation doesnt apply to her, though you could argue that Mike has the same issue when it comes to El and Will, in which he tries to understand but when he knows he cant he instead becomes frustrated and more often than not takes it out on them. Nancy definitely has this issue with Steve in season 2. During the first part of season 2 and to an extent season 1, Steve tries to offer her a distraction to her problems with guilt rather than a solution. And to an extent I believe that was how Nancy came to view Steve during season 2. A distraction instead of a solution, eventually realising this distraction was no longer helping her and taking out her frustrations on the distraction before finding a solution by going with Jonathan to find Murray for answers and realising that Jonathan was the one she wanted.
However during season 3 they seem to have a hard time understanding eachother and on top of that the two barely interact with Steve at all. Yet in season 4 Steve and Nancy are left to reconnect while Jonathan is in California, not to mention the underlying subplot that her and Jonathan are realising that much like her and Steve, they each have very different ambitions.
Nancy is very career driven and wants to make a difference in the world. Jonathan just wants to take care of his family and stay close to them following everything that has happened and is unsure if what he really wants is to spend his life following Nancy rather than being by her side. Steve on the other hand has developed a somewhat paternal bond with the party following what is implied to have been a very fundamentally lonely life. It's for this reason that it makes sense he would he happy with a simple quiet life, travelling the world with a family of his own. I'm not sure if the Duffers did this on purpose to mislead us or whether they've just forgotten what each of these characters have been through in each season but when you put all that in perspective, none of these ambitions align in the slightest. If anyone thought that the whole winnebago talk would actually become a reality in season 5, maybe in an epilogue or something like that, then people seem to not realise that Nancy wanted anything but to end up like her parents and displays little interest in anything other than protecting those she has and focusing on her career. A simple life would not be satisfying for her.
Long story short, trying to put Stancy back together romantically would not work for either characters arc, at least in my opinion. If they were able to form a strong platonic friendship by the end of season 5 then that would be the most satisfying outcome to me.
On a slightly different note I started this with a question. I see it alot in fics where people tease Steve for expressing what he wants out of life, i.e, the whole six little nuggets conversation. Honestly I found that while scene really sweet and the characters in fics rarely bring this up as a way to be mean. But I've seen in some that Nancy actually brings up what Steve told her in the upside down as a way to tease him in front of their friends. Again, it's hardly ever written with any malicious intent other than to embarrass him but even so I really dont see that being something she would ever tell anyone, even their closest friends. While I stated previously that Nancy struggles with empathy, I fully believe that she sees that moment herself as Steve being truly genuine and heartfelt with her. Point being that as much as the idea may not appeal to her, she can see would not use something like that as an excuse to bring up in conversation as a way to tease him or embarrass him by stating out loud for everyone to hear that he once dreamed they would start a family. I dont believe that Steve would repeat it to anybody else either, even Robin. That is something personal to the two of them whether Steve really knows what he wants or not and it's clear that there are alot of unspoken things regarding the past between them that I can see bringing up some tension in season 5.
Though I can't deny that I've had some angsty ideas following these thoughts. Imagine another scene like the bullshit scene in s2, only its after she finds out that Jonathan lied to her about college and maybe she gets drunk again, possibly for the first time since season 2 and when Steve tries to comfort her (maybe he found her first or she seeks him out, idk) but she reflects back on how it felt reconnecting with him in 4 and the conversation they had and drunkenly makes a move on him and is left even more confused when he rejects her and throws back in his face everything he said to her. Maybe Robin or Eddie or Jonathan overhear and jump in to seperate them before it turns into a fight. Steve feels guilty while Nancy is just even more confused about her feelings for Steve and Jonathan. Maybe it ends with them finally talking things through, Steve confesses he has feelings for someone else (I wonder who) and with a clearer head they realise it makes more sense for them to just learn to get to know eachother as friends again.
Anyhow sorry for the ramble, that's all for now :)
#steve harrington#nancy wheeler#eddie munson#robin buckley#steve harrington headcannon#nancy wheeler headcanons#steddie#platonic stancy#platonic stobin#jonathan byers#stranger things#we need more platonic stancy honestly#let me know how you feel about this prompt
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This is probably the most pendatic and stupidest "canon" or "lore" question, maybe even showing why this kind of "discourse" is just semantics, but here we go:
Do you consider that the Soul Eater anime is also connected to fireforce. And I dont mean if ff anime will lead to the soul eater anime (oh my God why...) but just if it was an adaption of the manga, even if it went it own way, if we should consider details that technically came before "timeline" wise as being valid if they dont contradict anything.
Itâs not at all stupid. And this is a blog nitpicking the tiniest details of Soul Eater: itâd be nearly impossible to talk about this stuff without being pedantic.Â
To paraphrase what I said in another post, if there is nothing in the first Soul Eater anime that depends on a piece of information in Fire Force for it to make sense to the story, then Fire Force can be ignored as canon to the first Soul Eater anime. And just because Fire Force explains something in Soul Eater doesnât necessarily make it required reading or watching to understand Soul Eater. But as you also say, yes, if something happens in Fire Force that doesnât contradict something in the first Soul Eater manga, then it can be considered valid and considered as canon.Â
(Granted, as Iâll say at the bottom below, I think there is enough in the first Soul Eater anime and at least the Fire Force anime that contradict each other and puts them into different timelines.)
Some of this just owes to luck: the first Soul Eater anime is pretty self-contained and, even if a lot of us donât like aspects of the final episode, it does wrap up its story. And more luck: Fire Force wasnât released yet, so there was no pressure at the time the first Soul Eater anime was out to have to link it to another work. If a new Soul Eater anime comes out, then yeah, that one is now stuck having to be connected to Fire Force (another reason why I get pissy over any potential for an anime reboot).Â
To go back to what I said, that there is nothing in the first Soul Eater anime that depends on a piece of information in Fire Force for it to make sense to the story: I donât mean âFire Force explains the origins of Excalibur so you have to read that or watch that to understand Excalibur in the first Soul Eater animeâ--that explains an origin, but that doesnât suddenly change the content of the first Soul Eater anime. You can still follow the story and donât need to engage with an entirely different work to fill in that detail.Â
Thatâs not even getting into that the first anime leaned pretty hard in the direction that Arthur Pendragon existed, that the timeline of the anime is more similar to our real world, or at least a fictionalized version where the [very likely] fictional Arthur Pendragon exists, thereby negating the revelation in Fire Force that it was actually Arthur Boyle who wielded Excalibur. Yes, you could say that Excalibur wrote his own story in the Soul Eater anime so we shouldnât accept what he says about Pendragon as real and that Boyle may indeed still exist in the first anime--but there is nothing to say that it has to be Boyle in the anime either. Yes, you could point out that Excalibur also brought up a fictional character like Sherlock Holmes, so we should treat Pendragon as fictional--but this is also a series where somehow Excalibur was able to interact with Holmes on a movie screen, and a story where fictional characters like Lupin and historically dead people like Rasputin, Al Capone, and Jack the Ripper show up, so realism is not essential here, just believability.Â
This is my point: Fire Force doesnât suddenly become the one and only explanation for stuff in the first Soul Eater anime. It is one explanation, but you can ignore it. Now, if they make more episodes within that first anime timeline, and those episodes specifically refer to stuff in Fire Force, then at least those new episodes are now definitely connected to Fire Force, and I would find it too difficult to start insisting, âWell, these new episodes arenât in canon with the old episodesâ--thatâs silly, I canât waste my time on that.Â
(And as I hinted above: there are enough other small details that screw up putting both the first Soul Eater anime and the Fire Force anime into the same continuity and timeline. Itâs one thing for someone who is similar to Spirit popping up at the cabaret Assault visits in the Fire Force manga, talking about his daughter; itâs another thing when they bring back Spiritâs actor and has him name Maka explicitly in the anime version of Fire Force. There is all the Arthur Pendragon and Arthur Boyle stuff between the two anime. And then there are the Excalibur plushies and Shinraâs Excalibur face towards Burns showing up in the Fire Force anime, when by whatever passes for logic in this franchise, neither of those should exist yet because Excalibur hasn't come into his Soul Eater incarnation yet.)
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[mashing scary and normal together like barbie dolls]
i just think they have such a fun dynamic. i have said before that i dont think theyd date for quite a few years post-canon, and i stand by that, but i think their relationship now is just really good construction blocks for a slow burn friends-to-lovers type arc.
obviously, like, their friendship in canon? peak. chef's kiss. i want a return to early season friendship between them, where scary was more defensive of normal, "hey only i can make fun of him!" type relationship, and i do think we are returning to that as the teens work past scary's betrayal!! she's on their side again, she's seeing that willy is using her, and that's really important steps to all of the teens reconciling back to a good place. especially with the moment scary and normal shared in the newest episode (i am insane over that still and everyone should know it), they specifically are in a good place. they care about each other and it makes me really happy :(( before anything else, i love the season 2 PCs' friendship, and so that's what's most important to me
BUT LIKE. JUST. AUGH. im such a huge friends-to-lovers fan, ESPECIALLY when its a relationship that utterly blindsides the people in it. and i do think that trope fits them sooo well. they are both so the type to go "kiss them? ewww no! thats my friend and they have cooties" (exaggerated but like THEIR VIBES. YOU GET ME), especially about each other; scary loves picking on normal, normal is prone to bickering with scary, theyre friends but they like to argue and rile each other up. theyre utterly the LAST person either of them would expect to date, and i love the thought of them just being hit over the head when they realize oh. i really really really like them.
normal would take this realization in stride but utterly bury all of his feelings. in general, i think norm is the kind of guy to just... crush on all of his friends to varying degrees. very much the type to be willing to date any of his friends, he finds the line between platonic and romantic feelings confusing, and so realizing he has a crush on scary is just kind of like "oh, alright! we're doing that now? that's cool!" meanwhile, scary is utterly flabbergasted. her entire life has been flipped upside down, shes pacing around her room and making mental conspiracy boards to try and figure out why that happened, she is DISTRAUGHT. thats her BEST FRIEND, she cant like HIM, this is the END OF HER LIFE--
okay ive written a whole fic about that so i dont have to get into it again but like. I JUST THINK. they would both approach the relationship differently, and its interesting. peak teen disaster romance where they both take it way too seriously but in wildly different ways. normal would try (and fail) too hard to be an adult and mature about it instead of being gushing head-over-heels teen crush about it, because he wants this to work out and thinks scary wants a cool guy. she does not. she likes his cringefail energy. hes going to try way too hard to be really mature and adult anyways though and he is going to fail at it and shes going to laugh at him and its going to be the highlight of his entire week.
meanwhile, scary is experiencing Teen Girl Brain 24/7 where this feels like its the be all, end all of her entire existence, and any time anything small happens, she loses it. because shes tired of being dramatic about huge world-ending issues. its time to be dramatic about average teen girl issues like your boyfriend not adding a heart to the end of his text even though he ALWAYS adds a heart to the end of his texts. trying to plan a date with these two would be a nightmare but post-canon, i think all of the teens would be like... codependent. lol. so ultimately, it really comes down to them realizing that "we dont have to try so hard to have good dates because we are always together anyways" and learning to embrace time together as it comes along ...
and of course ive discussed this but scary does break into normal's room at least once a week to sleep in his bed instead of her own. i think, post-canon, that scary would have a lot of issues sleeping in general because of everything going on with willy vis-a-vis the sleeping cap, and so she would find it reassuring to share a bed with someone. and oh, good, she has a boyfriend who is warm and cuddly and always forgets to lock his window (he purposefully keeps it unlocked so she can come in, he just doesnt admit it because he likes to complain about how she should use the front door). rebecca thinks its adorable. veronica and sparrow are both constantly this đ close to losing it at scary because please stop sneaking out/in without alerting a single authority figure please but scary just does not care. normal thinks its funny, if somewhat stressful because it gets him in trouble, but after four years hes pretty used to all of his closest friends getting him in trouble constantly. ITS CUTE!! I THINK ITS CUTE!!!
okay ive gotten side tracked severely from the point i wanted to make with this post - I THINK normscary works well because i think that they have similar issues and theyd find a lot of comfort in one another. obviously, all of the teens are struggling with issues with their parents, its the point of the podcast. but both normal and scary specifically want their dad to be proud of them, even if its pretty different situations, and i think they would really uniquely be able to reassure one another in regards to that. for normal and sparrow: literally just gonna kick yall over to baba's post about this, because i absolutely love how she talks about it. and she is WAY more concise than i will ever be. but building off of that for scary! i am really endeared by the thought of normal being helpful to scary in growing past her dependence on her biological dad as well. obviously, an important part of normal's arc is realizing that he cant fix people, i want to shy away from any implications that these two can or should "fix" each other. but i think normal's commitment to himself in spite of sparrow's disapproval, the way he drifted from his identity but then decided that he did have the right to cling to it after all, would be really eye-opening to scary. if normal, who clearly loves his family so much, doesnt need his dad's approval, then why should scary? what would it mean for her to stop torturing herself hoping that her dad would come back? etc etc
i just think they would be good for each other. i think they would have a really cute dynamic. i love love love the idea of scary's pessimism and how it clashes with normal's bright-eyed attitude, and i love the idea of normal making scary see things in a sunnier light, and i love the idea of scary grounding normal in reality and helping him when he lets his hopes get too high. i think, when theyre not arguing ghjbfhjdfj they balance each other out really well!!! theyd just be really cute :( let them into your hearts
If there is one thing that is true about me, it is that I am going to get overly emotionally attached to a rarepair
#shout out to that anon who went 'I respect you so much for your rarepairs of choice'#i hope you were anticipating the normscary manifesto that lives in my heart#THIS IS NOT. EVEN LIKE. ALL OF MY THOUGHTS ON THESE TWO#im trying to Remain Sane and Grounded here bfjhgbhfjdbfhjd#dndads#mine#normscary
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i want to know more about the plantar au đ
omg no way thank u guys for asking about this completely unprompted yall are so nice <333 (under read more bc this is rambly and l o n g)
OK SO AGE SWAP AU..... no i have not thought about the consequences of this swap in the actual plot other than how it affects their family... wdym im bullshitting this as i go
for starters though,, dynamics are v different from in canon, although anne would probably still be the closest w sprig. sprig and polly are also roughly adults! like maybe theyre in their 20s human years wise? pollys the oldest but probably only by a year or two, and im not sure whether to make hoppy (hop pop's toddler counterpart nickname lol) their younger sibling or cousin... it gets muddled there, but theyre still family blood or not :)
the heron incident still happens plantar parents i am so sorry. sprig n polly experience the same thing as canon hop pop did and are very protective of hoppy as a result (they r traumatized and are ridden w guilt <3)
the most basic explanation i can give for the siblings is that its the same in canon but they are much more mature. polly likes to mess with what little inventions she can create in the middle of nowhere while sprig ventures out and explores the woods every now and then and sometimes even visits the archives. they both tend the farm to earn money (but are really only doing it for hoppy's sake and would probably abolish the practice entirely unless hoppy wants to inherit it)
hoppy is just happy to be here :D
sprig is still the one who finds anne in this au! he was feeling a little restless and went out to hunt for the 'monster' that was spotted. somewhere along the way from being trapped and almost being sliced alive by the mantis he realizes that 'holy shit a child just spent two weeks alone in the woods' and decides 'ur my responsibility now'
polly argued a lot w sprig about letting anne stay in their home, and it probably takes a decent amount time before they really connect w one another. an episode like girl time in this au would probably have them bonding together more
when anne reveals the music box to them, sprig, even though he would have rather not, shows the book that says its dangerous to polly. he cares about anne, but he'd rather not keep the secret about it being a potential threat to the fam from his sister. by this time the two probably already care a lot about anne, and keep it a secret from her. (a lot of arguing went into this decision)
they DO attempt to hide the music box when anne eventually leaves it in their hands. it hurts a lot more when anne realizes they both kept it a secret from her. they both knew. and they still did what they did.
not directly related to anything about this au, but this snippet in the wiki about family shrub rubs my brain in the good way :)))))
#talking to frogs#age swap#.txt#GOD#THATS A LOT#JUST... THE PLANTARS MAN#episodes in canon either dont exist or just happen very very differently#i dont think there would be a 'parent' in this family setting#rather its more like... responsible adult#like polly and sprig are just like#older sibling figures to anne and hoppy#IT FEELS SO WEIRD TO KEEP CALLING HP HOPPY#i feel like i am babying an old man#if u read all of this ilu <3#and if u guys still wanna question something about it feel free :D#ty for enabling me B]
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I think most of you dont understand the point of tales. They are supposed to be satirical and crazy. If quackity, george and sapnap s humour was not to your liking that s a whole another thing, but the characters are not meant to be memorable or interesting. They are not meant to have a lore of their own, the tales are a simple representation of c!karl's powers and how much he can achive with them. Yes, the series has easter eggs that either efect or give information on the current present lore, but that doesnt mean they are meant to be serious. Even karl mentioned that the tales are inspired by that game he used to play on his alt, psychonuts (idk how to spell it i m so sorry lmao), which idk if you watched his game play but that game was all over the place with weird animations that you cant achive in the game so the funky and weird characters are a replacement. Now, as a person who gets over stimulated easily (just today i almost jumped of the car because my dad was clicking his tongue lmaoo), i understand 100% how the loud talking over each other can be annoying. And yes, if the ccs would actually try to do serious lore would the quality be even better? Of course it would. But again, most of you think the tales are a mess because of it but that s just how they are, they re not sad depressing a child is being banished lore. It s a comical representation of karl's powers and the only part that s meant to be serious it s always the end when you see the ACTUAL lore happening. So maybe the tales are not for you, or maybe just this specific lobby of people was not for you, nothing wrong with that. At first, when karl started this series i was extremely critical of it and could not see the point. But tbh it s not that deep, being a comedy is the point.
this is long and you didnt use paragraphs so im breaking this down.
I think most of you dont understand the point of tales. They are supposed to be satirical and crazy.
thats not what satirical means
If quackity, george and sapnap s humour was not to your liking that s a whole another thing, but the characters are not meant to be memorable or interesting.
girl says who. you really telling me we're expected to forget about ranbob? that we werent supposed to be interested by billiam? connor?
They are not meant to have a lore of their own, the tales are a simple representation of c!karl's powers and how much he can achive with them.
... whats robin's village being over run by people with red eyes then? ponk's relative jack from the same episode? the reason for billiam existing at the same time as the wild west episode? whatever tf glatt had going on that one time?
and representation of his powers and what he can do with them. he's literally done nothing. he literally is just a participant. he doesnt use his powers for anything.
and he wont be able to in the greater dsmp because its a fucking live rp medium. you cant go to the recent past or the close future of that without being very careful.
hell, the haunted house episode totally clashes with everything else we know about glatt but we still dont know what the actual difference is.
Yes, the series has easter eggs that either efect or give information on the current present lore, but that doesnt mean they are meant to be serious.
thats not how any of this works oh my god. you cant literally be affecting canon and "non serious" about it at the same time. if its canon i can criticize it.
Even karl mentioned that the tales are inspired by that game he used to play on his alt, psychonuts (idk how to spell it i m so sorry lmao), which idk if you watched his game play but that game was all over the place with weird animations that you cant achive in the game so the funky and weird characters are a replacement
this literally doesnt make sense. funky and weird characters do not impact the level of seriousness of the story. fundy is a fucking fox who came from the toe of a human who had sex with a salmon. that doesnt make his lore any less serious.
i understand 100% how the loud talking over each other can be annoying. And yes, if the ccs would actually try to do serious lore would the quality be even better? Of course it would. But again, most of you think the tales are a mess because of it but that s just how they are, they re not sad depressing a child is being banished lore. It s a comical representation of karl's powers and the only part that s meant to be serious it s always the end when you see the ACTUAL lore happening.
lore doesnt have to be depressing to be serious. and comical??? hm???? that requires it to be funny and portrayed as funny, plus the endings to tales is usually depressing before it goes into the "jesus fucking christ, narrate your goddamn text karl" segment.
So maybe the tales are not for you, or maybe just this specific lobby of people was not for you, nothing wrong with that. At first, when karl started this series i was extremely critical of it and could not see the point. But tbh it s not that deep, being a comedy is the point.
comedy can be deep. also i can criticize whatever the hell i want and until karl jacobs himself says we arent supposed to take tales seriously and its a comedy im gonna keep criticizing it.
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ok so. i know a lot of this has probably been said before, but i wanted to put my two cents in. very rambly and disorganized because i am just like that.
i think everyone in this fandom needs to examine the way they interract with male vs female characters. why is it easier for you to focus on and create content for male characters that have appeared in 2 episodes maximum, then it is for the women that are in the main cast? why do you gravitate towards ships between two male characters who have never met (specifically jonah and like. his harem of old british men. usually based on one single line of dialogue) then the actual, canon wlw relationships?
like dont get me wrong, when lonely eyes first started cropping up it was funny! i enjoyed it, i enjoyed the multiple divorce jokes, because it was a small fandom in joke that made fun of some old bastards. and now its the second most popular ship in the fandom. now its so popular, people think its canon before they start listening. why are you unable to muster that same kind of enthusiasm for any of the female characters? gertrude and mary have very similar appeal to lonely eyes, and yet its a fringe ship that nobody ever talks about. gertrude and agnes have very significant moments and mentions in the podcast, and yet the only people i see talking about them are wlw.
or we could talk about michael and helen! helen who, as of this moment, has become a key player in the storyline. helen who yeeted michael out of existence, who took over the power of the distortion by her own choice, and with her own strength. and so often i see her relegated to "vodka aunt that coos over jonmartin" is that a bad take on her? of course not! but having her only purpose be to comment on the male characters rubs me the wrong way.
lets talk about elias and mary. elias gets praise, and love, and devotion, regardless of the horrible things he does. the entire fandom has the reputation of eliasfuckers now because everyone goes so crazy for him. mary is just as evil, has just as sexy a voice (i assume lol cause tbh? eel eyes does not do it for me and never will), and people just. hate her. full stop. why is that?
it seems like manuela has been. completely forgotten. i Never see anyone talk about her. she has just as much appeal as the male avatars, so why are you so uninterested in her? sasha and tim have the same amount of importance, and both have died, but there is So much more focus on tim. why.
daisy/basira and melanie/georgie are incredibly well developed relationships, their stories are as beautiful and tragic and intimate as jonmartin, but the f/f and m/m fic ratio on ao3 is abysmal. because it seems to me that the only people writing about them are wlw.
which happens.....a lot. het relationships and gay relationships are for everyone, but lesbian ships? thats just for gay women. everyone goes head over heels for mlm movies, regardless of sexuality, but wlw movies never receive the same kind of treatment. why.
this isn't even touching on the. blatant and disgusting fetishising of mlm. elias is evil because hes gay and skanky. tim is bi so he must sleep around. tim and martin are both mlm in the same vicinity of each other so they must have had a friends with benefits relationship. jon/elias and peter/martin have significant age differences and power disparities, so they must have an incredibly fucked up sexual relationship. jon is ace, but yall just fully ignore that so you can write horny fic of him. (and im going to be completely honest, if you get legitimate joy from writing manipulative r*pe fic involving these characters, Especially involving an ace character, ( edit: i apologize for my wording here, i didnt intend to compare trauma between ace and non ace ppl. my point is that jon seems to be the main target in these fics, and that they seem to be a direct response to his asexuality. fic like this is bad regardless of who is targetted). than that is a big problem. you arent "exploring dark topics in a meaningful way" youre writing fucked up porn for your own sick enjoyment. get angry at me all u want lmao but i stand by that)
i could go on about this forever, but what im really asking is for people to look inward and ask yourselves why you are so against connecting and interracting with female characters? no one is saying you cant like the men, but if theyre the only ones you care about? thats a problem. there are more women in tma then there are men, but they still feel like the minority because of the way the fandom acts. this isnt just a tma problem either! you can put as many rounded out female characters as you want into your content, and every time without fail they will be pushed to the side in favor of the men.
and dont come at me with "oh if you want content of the women you should make it" like we fucking are. the issue is that wlw are the only ones doing it. just take a second and think. are you ignoring the female characters in favor of the men? why? why is that your first instinct? why do you not feel the need to go against that instinct?
#the magnus archives#tma#i used to have so much more love for the male characters too but now im just tired lol#long post#ok to rb#rape mention tw
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One major misunderstanding I dont think people understand when discussing Boruto ships, specifically BoruSara, is that nobody has an issue admitting they were wrong, atleast most of us dont.
The problem is we havent been proven wrong YET
If there was legitimate, canon, confirmed evidence that proved either one of them liked eachother, nobody would have a single problem with it because it is what it is.
The problem is NO SUCH CONFIRMATION EXISTS
So it is not WRONG for people to DENY that theres anything romantic there because we have zero confirmation that there is.
We didnt have to look at hints, we didnt have to interpret, we didnt have to guess what the authors intent may or may not have been in regards to characters like Sakura, Hinata, Karin, Jiraiya, Naruto, Ino and so ons feelings, Kishimoto made it clear cut and dry without a single shadow of a doubt how these characters felt and did not beat around the bush about it or wait 60+ or more chapters to explicitly confirm it.
These characters romantic feelings were confirmed for majority of them the moment they were introduced, especially the main characters such as Sakura and Naruto.
However when it comes to Boruto, it seems like everyone has completely turned off their brain and put on their fantasy glasses where they only see what they wanna see rather than whats put right infront of their face.
You can ignore it all you want but the facts are the facts, name one ship besides BoruSumi that has officially confirmed romantic feelings from one or both sides? you absolutely can not do it because there ISNT ANY.
At best you could argue Chocho kinda confirmed she likes or at the very least is interested in Mitsuki based on what she said at the end of the Chocho arc, which is she only gives chips to the ppl she likes and then proceeded to give her chips to Mitsuki.
But thats it, thats literally all the ACTUAL hints of romance in the Boruto series at this point in time. This is just the facts, and we're not wrong for pointing that out.
IF and emphasis on IF, Boruto or Sarada were interested in one another, the two literal MCs, WHY TF WOULD THEY TAKE 60+ CHAPTERS AND 200+ EPISODES TO GIVE ANY EXPLICIT INDICATION OR CONFIRMATION OF EITHER OF THEIR FEELINGS, BUT CONFIRM A FRIGGIN SIDE CHARACTERS FIRST BEFORE ANY OF THE MCS.
Aint no way you dont see the glaring issue with this argument that theres 'So many hints' of romantic interest between them, yet not a single concrete confirmation of this from ANY official source.
They dont have to confirm what ship is canon right away, just reveal ONE characters feelings for the other and it'll still leave the question of will they wont they until the end of the series. I mean wtf was SS and NH for 15 years? completely one sided ships until their feelings were reciprocated in the end and they all lived happily ever after.
SO WHY TF would Boruto be any different? they had NO PROBLEM confirming a side characters one sided feelings for the MC why not the actual main heroine? why would they hide Sarada's feelings but not Sumire's? name one female character in Naruto who has EVER taken THIS danm long realizing/revealing their feelings to the audience, explicitly, not just your interpretation, but their feelings just being blatantly on display where theres no debate on how she feels for said male character, IT CANT BE DONE.
Know why it cant be done? because it never happened.
So when people say BoruSara isnt canon yet and BoruSumi is the only actually CONFIRMED semi-canon ship SO FAR its not because we dont wanna admit Sarada likes him, its because we've literally been given NOTHING that shows this is the case.
For the millionth time YOUR INTERPRETATION AND WHAT YOU THINK CERTAIN SCENES, INTERACTIONS, INTERVIEWS ETC MEAN IS NOT EVIDENCE.
What official sources and staff say is, and so far NONE of them confirm any form of romantic interest between them, PERIOD.
If the day ever comes where its confirmed explicitly that Sarada likes him then Im pretty sure majority of the fandom will accept it and just continue shipping what they ship, thats what SS fans did when Karin was revealed to like Sasuke, thats what NS fans did when Hinata was shown to like Naruto, so why tf would BoruSumi and KawaSara fans have an issue acknowledging Sarada liking Boruto when that literally affects nothing? its never stopped anyone before so why tf would it now?
This isnt about opposing shippers not wanting to accept reality, its about yall not wanting to accept the TRUE reality which is nothing but BoruSumi is confirmed yet, its the only semi-canon ship SO FAR thats been officially confirmed by multiple official sources, NONE OF WHICH EXISTS FOR ANY OTHER SHIP.
So whos REALLY denying reality? cuz it danm sure aint us.
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Has GRRM ever said in any interview or on his blog that he hates Sansa's complete storyline after 4th season? I dont really follow all of his fan/media interactions but from what I can recall he has spoken abt how LF in books wont give sansa to ramsay or how noone had issue when Jeyne was given the Ramsay storyline in books etc. Asking this question to you bcs you rightly point out how ppl misunderstood his interviews/posts ( sansans/targ stans etc) & I cant recall him ever saying he 'hates' sansa's story in the later seasons of the show ( not s5 in particular but even s6 to s8).
Capclave 2013:
A change that has repercussions for season 4 is Marillionâs tongue removal from the first season. Martin said that the change was made (from an anonymous singer being the victim of a de-tonguing) because they wanted Joffrey to maim someone the audience would recognize. He believes this is an issue because of the part the singer plays in Sansaâs storyline, how he affects her interactions with others in the book, and he doesnât believe another character will be fulfilling that role on Game of Thrones.
âGRRM talks season 4 & beyond - Winter is Coming - October 13, 2013
2014 Fan Reports about Capclave 2013 (*):
In a convention panel this year, George said on the record that he had no idea what they were doing with Sansa or where theyâre taking her storyline, which now makes sense perhaps. He was not pleased when he was talking about it, so who knows whatâs going to happen with her! Knowing GRRM, that could mean theyâre going off the canon reservation, and/or that theyâre going to be making a lot of shit up
I have notes Iâll be responding to (thanks!) but enough people commented about Sansa that I thought Iâd share that tidbit, since it happened back in September iirc (was the same panel where he criticized the exclusion of Tyrell brothers)
âstarkalypse - June 3, 2014
GRRMâs comments at capclave about Sansa (which I was in the third row for, for those asking about legitimacy) were among others during the panel that had a general theme of dissatisfaction with show changes. He was not in good spirits for that con and didnât really have anything positive to say regarding the show. So take it with a grain of salt; there are deviations away from the books in the episodes he gets writers credit for, so maybe theyâre doing something stupid or they really donât have a gameplan!
âstarkalypse - June 4, 2014
(*) These reports were posted in June 2014, during the airing of Game of Thrones Season 4, about Capclave 2013 that happened in October 2013.
Just after the rape episode:
How many children did Scarlett OâHara have? Three, in the novel. One, in the movie. None, in real life: she was a fictional character, she never existed. The show is the show, the books are the books; two different tellings of the same story.
There have been differences between the novels and the television show since the first episode of season one. And for just as long, I have been talking about the butterfly effect. Small changes lead to larger changes lead to huge changes. HBO is more than forty hours into the impossible and demanding task of adapting my lengthy (extremely) and complex (exceedingly) novels, with their layers of plots and subplots, their twists and contradictions and unreliable narrators, viewpoint shifts and ambiguities, and a cast of characters in the hundreds.
There has seldom been any TV series as faithful to its source material, by and large (if you doubt that, talk to the Harry Dresden fans, or readers of the Sookie Stackhouse novels, or the fans of the original WALKING DEAD comic books)⊠but the longer the show goes on, the bigger the butterflies become. And now we have reached the point where the beat of butterfly wings is stirring up storms, like the one presently engulfing my email.
Prose and television have different strengths, different weaknesses, different requirements.
David and Dan and Bryan and HBO are trying to make the best television series that they can.
And over here I am trying to write the best novels that I can.
And yes, more and more, they differ. Two roads diverging in the dark of the woods, I suppose⊠but all of us are still intending that at the end we will arrive at the same place.
In the meantime, we hope that the readers and viewers both enjoy the journey. Or journeys, as the case may be. Sometimes butterflies grow into dragons.
âThe Show, the Books - Not A Blog - May 18, 2015
Report about the last Game of Thrones Script that GRRM wrote:
No Wedding for Sansa and Ramsay: Without question, one of the most controversial changes the show made in trying to streamline the books was by slotting Sansa into the role of Ramsayâs wife and rape victim in Season 5. In the books, Ramsay marries and assaults Sansaâs best childhood friend, Jeyne Pooleâwho is being forced to impersonate Aryaâinstead. (You can actually see Jeyne briefly sitting next to Sansa in the showâs pilot.)
At the time Martin wrote this script, though, substituting Sansa for Jeyne was not yet the plan. Martin has Roose Bolton tell his bastard son: âWe have a much better match in mind for you. A match to help House Bolton hold the north. Arya Stark.â It should be noted, however, that in Martinâs script, Sansa isnât free from menace either. At his own wedding-day breakfast, Joffrey still threatens to rape the older Stark sisterâonce heâs âgotten Margaery with child.â)
âGame of Thrones: The Secrets of George R.R. Martinâs Final Script - Vanity Fair - December 7, 2018
A month before the Game of Throne S8 Finale:
Sansaâs story, in particular, has really deviated from the books. Ramsay Bolton â that marriage obviously was with a different character. When they start deviating like that, did you initially have any emotional reaction, even though you worked in Hollywood for many years yourself?
GRRM: Well, yeah â of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. But Iâve been on the other side of it, too. Iâve adapted work by other people, and I didnât do it exactly the way they did it, so âŠ.
Some of the deviation, of course, is because Iâve been so slow with these books. I really shouldâve finished this thing four years ago â and if I had, maybe it would be telling a different story here. Itâs two variations of the same story, or a similar story, and you get that whenever anything is adapted. The analogy Iâve often used is, to ask how many children did Scarlett OâHara have? Do you know the answer to that?
I know itâs different in the book and the movie âŠ
GRRM: Three children in the book, one by each husband. She had one child in the movie. And in real life, of course, Scarlett OâHara had no children, because she never existed. Margaret Mitchell made her up. The book is there. You can pick it up and read Mitchellâs version of it, or you can see the movie and see David Selznickâs version of it. I think theyâre both true to the spirit of the work, and hopefully thatâs also true of Game of Thrones on one hand, and A Song of Ice and Fire on the other hand.
âGeorge R.R. Martin on the Stark Sisters and Ending âGame of Thronesâ - RollingStone - April 22, 2019
James Hibberdâs Book:
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: Jeyne Poole was included in the pilotâsheâs shown giggling next to Sansaâbut sheâs never seen or referred to again. I actually wrote Jeyne into âThe Pointy End,â my first script, when Arya killed the stableboy. I had some stuff with Jeyne running to Sansa being all hysterical and dialogue in the council chamber with Littlefinger saying, âGive her to me, Iâll make sure she doesnât cause any trouble.â That was dropped.
DAVID BENIOFF: Sansa is a character we care about almost more than any other. We really wanted Sansa to play a major part in that season. If we were going to stay absolutely faithful to the book, it was going to be very hard to do that. There was a subplot we loved from the books, but it was a character not involved in the show.
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: I was trying to set up Jeyne for her future role as the false Arya. The real Arya has escaped and is presumed dead. But this girl has been in Littlefingerâs control for years, and heâs been training her. She knows Winterfell, has the proper northern accent, and can pose as Arya. Who the hell knows what a little girl you met two years ago looks like? When youâre a lord visiting Winterfell, are you going to pay attention to the little kids running around? So she can pull off the impersonation. Not having Jeyne, they used Sansa for that. Is that better or worse? You can make your decision there. Oddly, I never got pushback for that in the book because nobody cared about Jeyne Poole that much. They care about Sansa.
âFire Cannot Kill a Dragon: Game of Thrones and the Official Untold Story of the Epic Series by James Hibberd - October 6, 2020
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: My Littlefinger would have never turned Sansa over to Ramsay. Never. Heâs obsessed with her. Half the time he thinks sheâs the daughter he never hadâthat he wishes he had, if heâd married Catelyn. And half the time he thinks she is Catelyn, and he wants her for himself. Heâs not going to give her to somebody who would do bad things to her. Thatâs going to be very different in the books.
âFire Cannot Kill a Dragon: Game of Thrones and the Official Untold Story of the Epic Series by James Hibberd - October 6, 2020
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SO i just finished wonder egg priority and i think that with confidence i can say it has been one of my favorite animes like... ever ?? and not even from hyperfixation or obsession over it just... its so fucking real yet so simple in a way that i havent rlly seen shown in any other shows you feel ??
but first i wanna talk about how sexy the art and animation is real quick... HOMIE ITS SO GOOD LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT JUST... serotonin... the characters are all so unique and iconic and fun but not over the top in their designs yknow ??? they seem like regular every day girls but they stand out and theyre all sO CUTE !!!! also i love how the style is like this soft bubbly slice of life lookin stuff with bright happy colors and the most beautiful scenes you could find but they also have the SICKEST fight scenes complete with whimsical animal helpers and terrifying villains and crazy weapons unique to each character. and the animation. god DAMN shawty i am obsessed with everything in this show. i might make a post solely about the art later lol bc i wanna get into the other stuff.
so the themes in the show right ?? it starts just as this cute lil magical girl kinda deal but within the first episode we see that like.. oh damn... thats kinda heavy... tbh i was a little shocked and thought about stopping bc yknow bad mental health BUT i was so intrigued that i had to keep going and i am SO GLAD that i did. because this show just so beautifully discusses all these heavy topics in such an eloquent and artistically expressive way. and also like, , the juxtaposition of the charming childlike vibe with bright colors and 14 yr old girl protagonists against the dark themes of suicide and so much else,, i think is just perfect. bc a lot of heavy animes are more of the seinen genre and have some middle aged dude as a protag or make the entire color palette dim or offer little relief to the pain of these heavy themes right ?? but NO not wonder egg bitches B) because these problems arent just things that ppl face later in life or just problems that need to be talked about among adults or the edgy seinen watching squad,, these are REAL problems that face people of every age, gender etc and i think its awesome that wonder egg addresses that. some may cringe at the thought of their high schooler watching animes that discuss sexual harassment, suicide, abuse, self harm, eating disorders etc,, but in reality it is the most comforting thing i have ever come across and is basically jsut free anime therapy. because not only does wonder egg present these themes to the viewers as something real that happens to all kinds of people (making said people feel heard in a way that maybe they hadnt before), but it also makes sure to vanquish all of these forms of trauma. and the way the trauma is vanquished isnt always beautiful and it isnt always just magically gone with a poof. the struggles of overcoming or living with that sort of thing are shown in such a real and relatable way that addresses every hardship trauma survivors have to go through. and i just. god i cry bro.Â
oh m y GOD and the lgbtq+ rep in this show ?? like shawty... as soon as i saw episode one i was picking up on some gay/lesbian themes but then again im sapphic and project that a lot so i tend to see that sort of stuff like... everywhere... but NE WAYS... episode ten made me FUKCING CRY BRO LIke i cant believe there was a whole trans character with a whole trans pride hoodie like LKGHKDGH my heart is just so.. so fucking full thinking about him. bc like yeah i know there are trans characters in anime but i feel like theyre always very ambiguous about actually being trans or not or erased or portrayed as a harmful stereotype or theyre constantly misgendered and still refered to as their assigned gender at birth and i hate it. HOWEVEr... Kaoru.. *chefs kiss* it was so amazing to see a character straight up say âyeah im transâ in such a casual yet powerful way bc i personally have never seen that before. and i love love loved how he went into his backstory and talked to momoe about gender bc i think thats what she rlly needed and that it helped her find herself and it makes me so happy oh my god,, and the way they talked about it never seemed forced or like it was the focal point of his existence yknow ?? like yeah he existed to help momoe overcome some of her trauma but he also just existed to be HIM yknow ?? also... personally, i headcanon momoe as a trans girl even though i dont remember it being explicitly stated plus the school scenes of her and stuff would seem like they suggest otherwise ??but,,, SHAWTY THE AMOUNT OF SUBTEXT and her complicated relationship w gender is... something i feel like a cis girl would not go through so harshly yknow ?? with all of the questioning and feeling detached from femininity or feeling like ppl dont see her as an actual girl and only like her as a guy or for her masculine traits,,, but dont take my word on this bc i myself am a cis girl but that was just my take on it as someone in the lgbtq+ community trying to educate myself on the transgender community :) either way,, wonder eggs portrayal of momoe and kaoru and the way that momoe becomes so passionate about expressing herself the way she wants to as a girl is just... good lord im gonna cry its so perfect,,,.so ... i just love this show way too much. i also am honestly super lost about the relationship btwn acca and ura-acca ?? bc i was gonna mention ura-acca as a canonically gay guy bc when i was watching i interpreted ep 11 as him being in love with acca and being jealous of Azusa (bc i mean,, they lived together (i swear to god there was only one bed in that apartment) and had a daughter together and def loved each other and also when Frill said they were husbands and then when ura-acca said he wasnt attracted to azusa but he was def jealous of their relationship ??) but then i saw somewhere that theyre brothers ?? which would make sense ig since they look kinda similar and accas daughter called ura-acca âuncleâ.. but at the same time its ANIME SO THEY ALL LOOK SIMILAR and referring to gay couples as siblings is an EXTREMELY common euphemism soooo... IM JUST LOST HERE... but yeah i tried doing research and found different things so i cant say anything for sure >:( however,,, if they are canonically a lil fruity for each other... when frill refered to acca as ura-accas husband i imploded dude you never hear that sort of wording in anime.. but if theyre related i am so sorry.Â
god this is so much longer than i planned it to be oops but i also love the theme about like.. relying on friends to help carry your weight but at the same time not becoming completely dependent on those friends and using their support to learn how to love yourself and rely on yourself yknow ?? bc that is exactly what healthy friendships look like. bc i think ai sort of had a codependency thing goin on with koito maybe ?? but now she has a whole squad of funky friends that are so so different but all struggle with different kinds of trauma and although they fight over it, they always get through it with each other together. and they push each other no matter what to be the best versions of themselves and they teach other that getting hurt is okay because theyre always gonna be there to pick up the pieces no matter what happens. they can give each other space when they need and adapt to meet each others needs but theyre always able to balance it out with their own needs and thats such a beautiful thing in friendships especially at their age like damn i wish i had that maturity when i was 14 but no all i had was depression. another thing is that through these friendships you get to see all the different sides of each girl; you get to see them being strong or a shining light to their friends when theyre hurting but you also get to see them being hurt and weak and allowing themselves to be on the receiving end of the comfort. their friendships allows them to have weaknesses but it also allows them to highlight their strengths and thrive off of each others. I LOVE FRIENDSHIP DUDE
next i wanna briefly mention some of the themes connected to suicide that ive noticed. a big one is the survivors guilt that ai feels once koito is dead. several times she screams that she wishes she couldve gone with koito and she dreams of a âperfect worldâ where they committed a double suicide. one of the main reasons for her troubles is that she blames herself for koitos death and feels like it should be her thats dead... but at the same time she feels like too much of a coward to do anything now that koito is gone. she just has all these complex and contradicting feelings that wear away at her in ways that ppl that havent gone through the suicide of a loved one could never imagine. a lot of the times when things like this are portrayed in media i feel like its more in a way thats meant to guilt trip those that have taken their own lives and paint suicide as this selfish sin thats unforgivable but... not only does wonder egg reject that idea and instead portray it as a heartbreaking tragedy with,,, so so many terrible reasons, but it focuses on the feelings of ai separate from koito without blaming her in any way. not once did i feel like the show antagonized koito or that ai blamed koito for doing any of this, but they simply mourned her loss and touched on ais reaction towards the event but separate from koito herself if that makes sense. and i think that discussing survivors guilt without painting koito as the bad guy is something so beautifully done in wonder egg that can really resonate with those that have lost a loved one to suicide and have struggled with these same things.
okay i think this is the last thing ill mention,,, but HOMIE THE PARALLEL UNIVERSE BIT AT THE END. I AM. OBSESSED. i am such a whore for anything about the multiverse okay n e ways...,, not only did this make a super epic trippy ending of season one and add a little bit more magical girl whimsy to the show,, but it had such a powerful message. from the perspective of og ai,, finding out that you killed yourself in another world is... i mean its definitely not a surprise but at the same time it rlly makes you think how close og ai herself couldve been to that point and what decisions led her out of that dark place in her life. if i were in her shoes i would be terrified and id cry bc the thought of going back to such a dark place and actually going through with something like that is my worst fear and probably something that ai fears too. but at the same time,,, think from the perspective of ai two !!! like yeah its true that theres this awful terrible version of ai that dies but theres also a whole version of ai that is a superhero magical girl fighting off monsters to save countless ppls lives !! and she has a badass lizard and a gang of awesome friends !!! at first i was worried that ai two would be jealous of og ai and compare herself to her and feel inferior but like.. THEYRE LITERALLY THE SAME PERSON AND CAPABLE OF THE SAME THINGS !!! and ai two realized that !! just within the span of one episode, she went from the version of ai who took her life,, to the version of ai jumping in front of a friend to take a bullet for them and save their life. and that just inspired THE SHIT OUT OF ME. i think that ai was sent another version of herself to sort of beat her own worst enemy yknow ?? those doubts and fears that shes no good or that shes that same bystander from episode one and that she hasnt changed at all. but getting to interact with her parallel self and see her grow was just what she needed to realize that while yeah sometimes the worst thing can happen and things can be terrible but on the other hand sometimes the most wonderful thing imaginable can happen because she has the power to do either.Â
so im gonna go ahead and stop rambling bc i got all my thoughts out that i wanted to for this post :D but yeah lol i might make another if i feel like it sometime. long story short: this show is perfect and it is going on my favorite of all times.
#wonder egg priority#wonder egg spoilers#ai ohto#rika kawai#momoe sawaki#wonder egg priority neiru#i forgot neirus name#anime review#wonder egg ai#lgbtq anime
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how about ranking bucciarati's team?
regret to inform you that ur gonna get a very long answer bc i have passionate feelings about them all! also trish is in this bc she is part of the team and no one will tell me otherwise and will also include some rambling bc it is me and i have so many feelings towards these characters and none of them r cohesive
under the cut just in case (post writing yes it was long)
Giorno Giovanna:
way way more complex than ppl normally give him credit for (i will not go into feelings on how a majority of the fandom treats him unless ppl want me to then i will in fact make a very long ranty post and will not be stopped)
mildly op (esp at the beginning with how hes kind of able to just use his stand really well w no problems altho i think thats true of most of the jojos that we have seen animated?)
i am emotionally attached to him and want to give him a big hug
hes just a kinda goofy kid and is maybe a bit not good with figuring out hey this is a semi dangerous situation maybe i shouldnt be taunting him (leaky eye luca for example)
has the actual best theme
i love how he works off the rest of the team so well (even w members who do not like him)
is in my top 3 jojos i love this kid sm i would adopt him if he was real
7/10
Bruno Bucciarati:
the fucking way his character develops from licky man to best dad material is my favorite thing
his outfit is so so so good i would die to wear it
in general this man is one of my fave jojos characters and i get a lot of comfort from him
hes just really neat and has a good taste in music
he did his fucking best and i will always love him for that
imo the way that his death was drawn out was genuinely one of the most heartbreaking deaths in the entire series and fucks me up each time i think of it
i feel like he really is the one to hold the team together in a way that everyone feels cared for and saved
def has a savior complex tho for sure
dilf but im ace
also manga superiority bc he either makes the stupidest faces or looks very nice (anime has a lot of weird animation in regards to his face) and also because its lingerie there instead of a tattoo that changes thickness and placement every second
10/10
Leone Abbacchio:
guilty pleasure liking man
i am obsessed with his vibes and wish to become him
i cannot physically express just how much i love him but hes one of my faves of all time (not obvious by my theme at all wdym)
i miss his manga palette but also the colored manga isnt my beloved but also black lipstick abba
hot take maybe but anime abba looks better than manga minus the lipstick debacle
hes so so tall and i will steal his height in a nice way
his past man his past it fucks me up
his death fucks me up normally but when i was rewatching recently, i saw he gave this tiny lil smile after helping the kids get their ball and i could not take it anymore
him and brunos relationship (canonically and out of canon too) is one of my favorites in the series
also fandom hot take as i guess i am doing those for everyone- but ppl either have him as cosntantly trying to murder giorno or being like good son and v out of character, and it is really weird? not sayign that ill do better when i write them but also like im convinced some ppl havent seen the show or smth
i will steal both him and bruno and marry them both <3
this man is beloved i love him to death
10/10
Pannacotta Fugo:
i cannot spell his first name to save my life
also fandom take- ppl make him constantly only angry boy all the time and it really irks me. ik araki did not give him 2 much to work w in terms of canon personality but its frustrating
the light novel purple haze feedback is so so so good and adds sm to his character and i really like it for that!
fugo is one of those that imo deserves a lot and didnt get that
genuinely the vibes between how he treats narancia is v interesting to me, like its clear he cares about nara but nara not doing great w math really frustrates him
i love their interactions and how he is genuinely a kind person at times
the manga colors r superior here, my strawberry boy <3
i just really love and appreciate him a lot and wish that ppl gave him more love
i keep getting assigned him on kin quizzes
very smart good boy
ALSO ok fugo did not do any wrong by leaving
unsure if thats a hot take but i genuinely dont blame the character one bit for leaving and again purple haze feedback really delves into that and why he did it
if ur a fugo fan go read it
his past is really upsetting esp in the anime i will cry over it
his stand is adorable and i wanna hug it
his vibes r fun and i wanna gift him strawberry dangly earrings
8/10
Narancia Ghirga:
this boy i am also adopting (i am adopting most of them sorry)
i really hate how ppl act as if hes stupid bc bad math skills do not equal stupid like did ppl not see the fight w formaggio??
the way he just fucking dove into the water after the boat and how brunos face went all soft and happy it will never not make me cry
he is constnatnly making me wanna cry if i think too much about him for 2 seconds i love him sm
how can anyone not adore him when he set an entire street on fire yk
hes just happy despite his past and it makes me sad i love nara sm
torture dance is one of my favorite memes from the show
ALSO ok the way he died so suddenly absolutely broke me bc the remaining team members r really just seeing everyone die in front of them so quickly
his goofy and laid back moments r my fave
i love just how loyal and caring he is to his friends
his stand is really cool and again the fight w formaggio was so fun to watch
8/10
Guido Mista:
probably my least favorite member of the team for a semi good reason:
the jokes towards trish are really really uncomfy and how fugo doesnt wanna be involved but he is pushing him to do something that makes him uncomfortable did not make me like him a lot
hes goofy but not goofy enough for me to be ok with the repeated jokes about that esp in the body swap episode (ik it was supposed to be funny but it just felt off)
his vibes r good but i wish we got to see his hair
the fandom interpretation is normally pretty good of him overall?
despite not loving him a lot, i really enjoying writing for him (one day might open up headcanon requests or smth but unsure)
hes someone id wanna watch movies w but his taste in movies and mine r very different
love how he and his stand get along
honestly has very very good comedic potential
i really like how he and giorno interact as the series goes on (in a platonic way i need to clarify that i love their friendship)
again him in purple haze feedback was really interesting
probably a 5/10?
Trish Una:
beloved and deserved better
her first outfit in the manga > outfit in the anime
actually in general i believe in manga trish superiority like her hair in the manga looks so cool
her stand her stand her stand i love sm
if u dont include trish in the group i am murdering u <3
HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!! IS SO GOOD!!!!!!
fandom gripe is how people either pretend she does not exist or has the trish first introduction thing where shes using her defense mechanisms and acting a bit spoiled
OK but her in purple haze feedback!!! mild spoilers but how bruno was taking care of her post the ending of vento aureo makes me so happy each time i think of it
very mad that she canonically didnt really get an ending and yet again PHF my beloved actually gave her that
how spice girl starts out as a stand thats helping her thru a very stressful situation is so cool and i love it
DAD BRUNO DAD BRUNO DAD BRUNO *frothes at the mouth*
but more seriously how she leans on bruno and begins 2 trust him and nearly point blank is referring to him as a father figure always fucks me up
esp because of the resulting fight afterwards
and the very ending of the arc that ends w bruno being like bye gonna go in the clouds and look ethereal now, oh man it makes me so sad
bc giorno is the only one that knew what happened and people that were closer to bruno due to knowing him longer didnt
i wanna see how trish coped w that personally
despite being introduced not at the beginning i think her arc and character in general were as well paced as it could be!
9/10
finally done! sorry that took so long but oh man i have so many feelings towards these guys its not even funny
#asks#wholesome mutuals#vento aureo spoilers#to add that bruno is one of my faves of all time is probably obvious by me putting him at 10/10#fiance bullies me lovingly for liking leone so that is explanation 4 first bullet#he has not even met him but just calls him piss man#the fandoms treatment of most of these characters makes me really mad tbh
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Lucien and or Kingsley for the character ask meme, if no one else has asked about them yet
IT'S KINGSLEY TIME.
Why I like them I love that he's just a different variant on the idea that this one piece of Lucien's soul can be nurtured into anything it latches onto, and that's such an interesting way to do that to me. Plus he's basically what I wanted from the end which was for Molly and Lucien to fuse into a cohesive whole, and while this isn't... quite what I expected, it's close enough. King strikes me as someone who has the best traits of both, including some of the traits Molly DIDN'T have. (Matt said Molly was the best of Lucien, but Molly doesn't have his intellect or ambition (which aren't bad things when not used badly), and I like to think Kingsley does.)
Why I donât I don't have an answer for that. I like 'em.
Favorite episode (scene if movie) I love his introduction scene so much. It DELIGHTED me. Favorite season/movie: He only appeared in one episode!!
Favorite line I love the "I've always wanted to be a pirate"/"Since I found out you had a ship" exchange.
Favorite outfit He's only got the one!! Damn characters always wearing the same thing.
OTP I don't have one. Kingsley/his ship is enough for me.
Brotp Kingsley and Fjord and Jester!! Also Threeleafs.
Head Canon Weirdly, I don't have a lot of headcanon for Kingsley. I mean I DO, but nothing that would be interesting to talk about.
I like to think he goes full Shinji Hirako when he talks about the Nein and is like "x was my first love" and so everyone he meets has these radical ideas about the Nein and when they all meet his crew, they're like "wait so which one of you was his real first love" and the Nein are losing it.
Unpopular opinion I'm... fine with his existence?? I feel like Taliesin had a really awkward choice to make here. Bring Molly back and he's fine with everything and it's all roses feels disingenuous to what Molly has gone through and what the Nein have done that he is not equipped to process. Bring Molly back and he's miserable and traumatized and the narrative doesn't have enough time to focus on that so he either leaves to go find himself or is ultimately just pushed to the side? People are upset that Molly is broken and the narrative had to push on, and his healing is mainly done off-screen.
Now I'm not saying either of those things wouldn't be better storytelling than what we got and YMMV, but I feel like Taliesin picked the option that wouldn't make HIM, PERSONALLY, miserable, since he had to commit to whatever he did at the table, and he seemed to have a lot of fun with Kingsley, and ultimately, it's about what makes the players happy, and we can use fanfic to make us happy if we don't like that. I'm not saying the choice isn't immune to criticism, but it was a very human choice and, honestly, I feel like I would have made the same one, even if it did get me crucified.
A wish A one shot a la the Taryon one where the cast play Kingsley's crew.
An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen I joked once that Kingsley might be Taliesin's CR3 character, and while that would be HILARIOUS and I would enjoy it. I... also want to see someone new. And also the fandom would explode.
5 words to best describe them Jovial, flirty, ambitious, understanding, curious
My nickname for them DON'T HAVE ONE.
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Temptation Stairway Thoughtsâą + Theory Discussion
TW: blood + Death mentions, Implied (forced/pushed) integration (systems), racism (against asians), unreality stuff bc the show is Like That, Trauma causd by therapy
TL;DR = I mainly talk about implied integration, n as some1 in a system tht! mkes me uncomfy! I mainly will talk abt wht Iâm calling the multi-ena theory (n anothr theory ill call the Multiple/Multi-Enaverse Theory) thts been popping up n disccng how thts kind of the bggst thng keepng me on board! I wonât LIE I might b a little biased bc I rlly do like thise show b I am NOT blind so I will try 2 address som things. I also talk alot abt the Shepard n Phindol bc I love themb so much they make me very heart Big.
DISCLAIMERS:
Obviously Joel G Highkey/definitely/most probbly did not intend 4 any of thise, but media is very complic8d so u cn end up accidntlly making problmtc things or implyng not great things
I hav a typing quirkkkk so if u cant understand my post I rlly dont blame u! Iâm sorry how I type is Incomprehensibleâą
Not an angry post, more like my brain is holding me host-ge until i talk abt everyth dskfjhd!!
DO NOT Send anyone in thise post hate or angry asks/messages or perish by my sword
OK so this recnt episde has me w vry vry mixd feelngs!!! Iâm both happy n exctd! b litrlly 2 things is whts bothrng me. While I CLD jst say :I Am Lookng Away: i rlly do need 2 write it down. Under a Read-more bc im secure SKSJ
Part 0: Iâm uncomfortable help
The Section wher i tlk abt n bring up othr pplâs concerns
So fr most if nt all the frnds I hav who also wtch Ena ALSO has a vry âvr vry mixd feelngs now tht Iâve seen the episde!!â mood twrds Temptation Stairway! Itâs 4 a bunch of rsns, like thise post (tw racism) mde by a frnd whch brings up a good point
Part 1: The Actual Intro
Episode 1 = Auction day (AD) Episode 2 = Extinction Party (EP) Episode 3 = Tempation Stairway (TS)
Who is Ena
Ena can b describd as an "abstract girl split in half, w 1 blue side n the other is her yellow side!" Each side (emotion/mood, 2 b specific) seems 2 hav their own voic actor credited along with seper8 credits 4 each mood! So far the canon sides r Ena (happy), Ena (sad), n Ena (drunk)! They seem 2 act accordingly: Happy acts happy n optimistc, Sad acts sad n especlly depressd, n Drunk acts confused n dizzy [In the Credits, it would look like thise: Ena (happy) by Gabe V., Ena (sad) by Lizzie Freeman, (drunk) Ena by Sam Meza
4 Episodes 1-2, thy follow thise pattern exctly! So we cn expect wht 2 see from them, n each voice actor is creditd accordngly as seper8 b all a part of Ena
On epside 3, Ena is seen as actng diffrnt!! She's suddnly less predictabl! I say thise bc Suddenly, her voic Actors r not stuck 2 Only their sides. Thise is also emphasized when looking at the credit list! No longer is it "Ena (happy) by Gabe V., Ena (sad) by Lizzie Freeman" it's now jst "ENA by Gabe V. and Lizzie Freeman"
Happy's voic can sound STRESSED n sad, Happy can tlk w Blue's side in mor control n Sad's voic can sound Really happy n optimistic. Somth's Diffrnt n Not The Same
Temptation Stairway Summary
Skipping 2 my point, The summary of the episode Temptation stairway is tht Moony and Ena have a bet 2 race 2 the Great Runas! The Great Runas, can grnt u any wish accordng 2 Moony n som of those Ena passes by on the wy. The wager, is tht "whoever reaches the top of the Great Runas n makes their wish 1st, has 2 pay the debts of the loser" (yes itâs phrased like that) As Ena journeys thru, The DIFFERENCES between Ena Temptation Stairway and Ena Extinction Party n Below, is mor obvious as the epsde progrsses, even 2 wher Happy's voic actor is the 1 screamng in agony 2 jst get murdered already. The Episode ends w Moony beatng Ena (but it's 100% possibl it can be the other way arnd, that ENA Beat Moony, b thats somth I'll discuss in a bit L8r). Moony splits in half, revealing that according 2 her, "she wished 2 be skinny" n a humanoid coms out of her previous form. As 4 Ena, Her blue side slowly dispprs n its not answrd why.
Theories so far, are:
Moony wished 4 Ena 2 b happy (or 4 her sad/blu side 2 go awy. 4 wht reason can b eithr wholsom or 2 Moony's advntge [like so she "doesnt have 2 deal w Sad Ena"]) - b if Moony wished 4 Ena 2 b happy/b rid of her sad side, tht wld mean perhaps she lied about wishing 2 be skinny (her new humanoid form may be how she is "paying her debt 2 the loser"). Unless the Runas can grant u more than 1 wish.
Ena ws the 1 who wished her blu side awy, whch is a little depressng tbh
If both the above r tru, it may b possibl bc it wsnt clarified (afaik) tht the great runas can only grant ONE person a wish (or more). I think we only get tht implica8ion bc we see 1 (open) door while in the distance, ther r more doors tht look like their eyes r closed. We hav 2 remembr Moony said "whoever makes their wish 1st whch means Ena n Moony can totlly mke wishes @ the sme time
Somhow, turning pure yellow/only happy is how Moony is payng her debt 2 Ena(??) (opposite 2 the 1st theory)
OR If Ena won the race, it can even b possibl 2 consider tht Ena did not make ANY wish, n her debt 2 pay 2 Moony is her sad/blue side removed (I do not subscribe 2 thise)Â
This info that was brought up 2 me is high evidenc that Moony won the race, n it explains how Moony surprises Ena whn Ena arrives. âIâm The Best and youâre the worst! I wonder who got the hair chest?â said by Ena, is a direct reference 2 a phrase usd by kids when they lose that goes âFirst is the worst, second is the best, third is the one with the hairy chest.â
âWhoever reaches the top of the Great Runas n makes their wish 1st, has 2 pay the debts of the loser.â Might be phrased tht way as a weird way 2 pay 4 ur greed? (Last minute addition from me since some people wld think this is quoted wrong in and outside of the youtube comments)
i'm p sure ther may even b mor theories b i dont rmmbr them OOPS
Part 2: The Implied Integration Part AKA: How the System!Ena theory is affected by this episode
TW: Final fusion discussion, medical trauma (Is that the right word)
Disclaimer: This is 100% unintended by Joel G. Thatâs y the Alternative title 2 thise part is âHow the System!Ena theory is affected by this episodeâ
2 GET IN2 the whole Implied Integr8ion part of my Essayâą I hav a theory calld system ena or sys!ena! (Check out my #system ena tag. This is in chronologicl order!) While thers no canon explan8ion 4 how Ena herslf is how she is, she mkes very intrstng n almst good accdntl Sys Represent8ion 2 me! They even show cofronting rlly well! I headcanon Ena as a system bc of the accidentl system!rep, but it explains 2 me y n how she switches! she has triggers 4 when she switchs 2 a diffrnt side, etc!
Ther hav been theories about Temptation Stairway in the past (before the episode cme out) wher ppl try 2 explain y the trailer Looks Like Tht. Besides theorizing abt the introduction of a new forme (I'm ok w just calling it Scared/Anxiety 4 now until 4rthr notic), 1 of the theories ive seen is tht Temptation Stairway's new introduced forme is due 2 being something akin 2 being "integr8d" (probably by force, accordin 2 the OP) (in other words, all her sides merge in2 one) n Ena being devast8td abt it
While tht theory is now DEBUNKED, bc the new forme clearly did not come out bc of being One Single Mind now, the "integr8ion" part of tht theory is unfortun8ly a littl tru
What is Integr8ion?
Integr8ion is not inherently a bad thing. In systems, ther are 2 definitions: "the breaking down of barriers 2 form healthy multiplicity, n then healthy communic8ion n less amnesiac barriers" and the othr, n mor FAMOUS definition bc its the oldest 1, is "final fusion"
Fnal Fusion is when all the members "fuse/merge" 2gether until ther is 1 single mind left. While not necssrlly a bad thng, final fusion n ther4 "integr8ion" is a scry thing 4 a lot of systems 2 talk abt, because in the history of Treatment, Final fusion is uslly somthng forcd on2 systems 4 the longest time :^(
Very valid 2 hav final fusion as a goal, b showng it as a desire n end goal is uslly seen as a sad n even scry thing 2 promote accdntly or not in media, bc of the previous traumas in the medicl/therapy world of system treatment etc
What's Worse. is tht if we apply the Ending 2 Temptation Stairway to the System!Ena Theory, thts wht hurts!!!
Scrolling back up 2 the possibl theories of who won the race and wht happened aftr, Either Moony or Ena wishing 4 the blue side/Sad Ena 2 go awy is rlly painful!
B I'll be honest, thts a RLLY biased n personal opinion i hav!! I've seen ppl think its rlly wholsom altho a bit Sad, tht the blue side disappears. I've seen ppl think its rlly sweet esp if it was Moony who mde tht wish
BSCLLY If I were to hold on2 the System!Ena headcanon while watchng the Temptation Stairway episode, its Hurtful, not rlly bc of the implied Integr8ion of Sides, but bc most top theories r that the blue side disappeard on Purpose either from Moony or Ena wishing her away or involvng the debt! It's like asking 4 ur sibling irl 2 Disappear and cease 2 exist. it's scary n rlly sad esp whn the audienc can c tht Sad, Happy, n Drunk cn almst b seen as their own persons n mite even b abl 2 interact w each othr (as seen by the many fanart of Happy n Sad having their own seper8 forms)
 Ok so Now tht ive described my intro n Main Beef w the Episode, here's a theory I cn rlly get behind tht dsnt mke me wnna cry behind a Denny's. Prsnlly it's a rlly relievng theory even if it mite b hard 2 take in
Ther's no name 4 it, som call it the Enaverse, b just so it dsnt get confusd w other definitions (like, u wldnt call it the Marvel Cinematic Universe theory, the MCU is jst wht it is) I'm gnna call it the Multi-Ena theory! Bsclly, there's mor than 1 Ena in thise universe. But I'll get in2 a sub/partner theory tht is also possibl: ther is mor than 1 enaverse n somhow u may or may not b abl 2 travel between them
Part 3: The Multi-Ena theory
Something interesting I noticed was that the shepherds says âanother ENA troublemaker?â Which definitely means more than one ENA/person has been there before.
(I blockd out the rest of the commnt not bc it ws bad, b i wantd 2 focus on this part of the commnt, but thise commnt will come up again L8r)
Not connected 2 System!Ena or the integr8ion issue I mentioned earlier, the multi-ena theory seems 2 b 1 of the top suggstd theories bc of many thngs! Bsclly n in short, thise theory believs tht in the series (or Enaverse), ther is multipl ena's! So fr i havent seen a post tht RLLY went in2 depth on thise so here is my attempt!
Evidence:
(See: above explanation on how the voic actors r credited 4 their roles individlly 2 explain my system!ena theory/intro) In episodes 1-2, Ena's diffrnt emotions/sides r creditd individually! In Temptation Stairway, Gabe n Lizzie Freeman r all creditd undr the sme nme, just as "Ena" (mening thise is a completely different Ena from the past)
Again, as said in my summry 4 Tempt8ion Stairway, thise Ena acts compltly diffrnt n is not follwng the sme "pattern" or rules as Ena did in Episodes 1-2! (Read above in my summary section) Either ther r stuff we've missd between Extinction Party n Temptation Stairway, or thise is a diffrnt Ena entirely. Â I'd hav 2 sy prsnlly tht I'm leanng 2wrds the latter bc of how the VA's are crdtd. but if ur not convinced, let me continu:
When we meet the Shepard in 7:52 of the episode, they say (verbatim) "Arghh... Another ENA trouble maker." which implies there r more than 1 Ena's
9:08 - 9:19 when Ena jumps in2 the "Holy Code" where we head undrwtr in2 a sea of diffrnt doors, we see floating Ena models (n the comment section seems 2 gravit8 2 callng them "dead bodies") (Honorary mention: You'll notic they glitch in2 Mannequins if u pay attention 2 them). This piec of info is Direct Evidence 2 the multi-ena theory, bc ther r Explicitly mor thn 1 ena's on screen! wht's concernng n unanswrd tho, is y do they glitch in2 mannequins? Does tht mean all the mannequins we sw on screen in the begnng of the video (n onwards) were all previously an Ena? Is it only an Ena tht can transform in2 a mannequin or cn othr chrctrs also become mannequins?
Not the strongst evidenc b i'll input it anywy: Ena's Action boxes (Like when she receivs or gives items) spell her nme her as ÆNA (with a backwrds E). The thing abt thise 1 is tht we can't compare it with Auction Day n Extinction Part bc they don't have any action boxes. BUT What we CAN compare is how she is spelled in the dialogue boxes of those speakng in diffrnt languages AND in the Credits! In Episodes 1-2, She's Spelled as Ena with this captialis8ion. In Temptation Stairway the dialogue and credits consitntly spell her as ENA in all caps. May or may not allude 2 her being diffrnt, b i will admit this is the most Strechiest piec of evidnc. Tru or not, I'd like 2 refer 2 Tempt8ion Stairway ena as TS!Ena or ÆNA, prsnlly 2 differenti8 her frm the othr episodes
Pronounci8ion: BUT 2 build on the above evidence, In the beginning of the episode, Moony DOES pronounc Ena's name in different wys a lot, startng w I-NA (ai-na), ENA (ehna), n finally JENA. And this isnt new! Sheâs been doing it sinc Auction Day (ee-nah/ii-na) n Extinction Party (ay-nah). Thise may or my not sggst that perhaps Moony's inconsistancy is bc these othr pronunci8ions or names cld b of other ena's she's met in the past w similr or diffrnt preferences! Iâd say because of her constant switchng in the beginning of Temptation Stairway, it would lean 2wards that she may know different Enaâs @ once. Otherwise, c the Multi-Enaverse theory below
Note: Every othr charctr besides Moony (So far; Merci and the Shepard) Pronounces Ena as ehna (or ehna) so it might be that perhaps Eh-na is the universal way of pronouncng Ena?
Conlusions/thghts on this theory: I prsnlly like thise a lot!! It makes Enasonas Very Possible, b also tht any interpret8ion of Ena cn b corrct or possibl! It knda saddens me tho bc im not rlly sure if we'll ever return 2 the Ena we're used 2, I wldnt rlly want 2 b stuck w/o Sad bc I thnk her role is rlly neat n can b importnt, b im biasd. I also rlly subscribe 2 thise theory bc it means whtvr happend 2 TS!Ena ds not hav 2 be permanent in the long run; Again litrlly the only thng keepng me from gettng supr upset abt the ending of Temptation Stairway, is tht the prev enaâs r not the sme n wld possibly not do thise, or tht ther r othr enaâs out ther besides THISE episod 1, who wld nvr do tht, etc
Part 4: The Multiple Enaverses/Multi-Enaverse Theory AKA The Alternative In Defense of Moony Mispronouncing Enaâs name over and over
An alterntve 2 the Multi-Ena theory, is tht there is MORE thn 1 Enaverse! So bsclly, a multiverse theory. Primarily thise my explain Not jst Ena's sudden Shift in how diffrnt she is in thise episode b may also explain how Diffrnt Moony is actng in thise episode 2. While thise isnt the top theory i prsnlly subscribe 2 (sinc ther isnt explicit evidence besides it bein an explan8ion 4 Moony n Ena's weird/diffrnt behavior), it DOES open a lot of doors 2 intrstng things 2 thnk abt!
Bsclly Moony keeps mispronouncing Enaâs name a lot (in Tempation Stairway) n its Really Rude, esp consdrng sheâs always said it properly (As in @ least 1nce in an episode n not switchng multiple times) b4! so 2 Explain her Sudden change in behavior, this is actlly a Different Moony, besides a different Ena. this is a whole different universe/timeline!
LIKE If not multiple Ena's, The different Loca8ions in Ena cn probbly b traversible across dimensions! The Holy Code may b the door 2 diffrnt enaverses. The Shepard's garden cld b an interdimensionl place tht is singular n deals w diffrnt beings passing thru! While i dnt hav mch 2 sy on thise, its RLLY Interestng 2 thnk abt
Like the Multi-Ena theory, thise also opens the doors 2 enasonas being vry possibl :^) Som ppl's evidences r all involvng Moony besides how Ena's rlly diffrnt
Moony can skateboard??
Moony's square shape hole can shrink 2 hold an item
while not strong ATM or frm wht i cn see, its still very inch restng!!! Tho I would sy it is VERY on par w the Multi-Ena theory anyway
Part 5: Honorary Mentions: Mini Theories
The Great Runas is actlly a play on the "Run As" Command! I'm not very Smart engh 2 break thise down vry well, b bsclly w all the allusion 2 "codes" n the Blood ID looking like a Chip, The Great Runas being abl 2 grant u wishes makes a lot of sense! This ws brought up 2 me from a friend (@ambercardâ)!
like its a command line. so then the great runas being able to grant wishes makes sense if its digital world like all the code stuff says Allows a user to run specific tools and programs with different permissions than the user's current logon provides.
Runas is a command-line tool that is built into Windows Vista. To use runas at the command line, open a command prompt, type runas with the appropriate parameters, and then press ENTER.
In the user interface for Windows Vista, the Run as⊠command has been changed to Run as administrator. However, you should rarely have to use the Run as administrator command because Windows Vista will automatically prompt you for an administrator password when it is needed.
and my friend who i was talking to said that probably explains what the password was for and the blood id being a login or something?
its possible using the blood id akin to using the run as administrator command since idk their name but one of the people ena met said the blood id didnt seem like her which is like. if she isnt administrator then it would make sense that using that command wouldnt match who she is
My response:
man do u realiz Ena uslly does not hav the corrct passwrd/admin privileges all the tme? Bc the guardian entity in extinction party askd her 4 1 b i guess it ws so Low Game tht it wsnt supr necsrry in the end
The Enaverse is all a computer code of some sort- most probbaly a game! AKA: This is a digital world
... If we were too treat this world as a video game this would make more sense since different play through bus and all that. Oh god this feels like a fnaf situation, taking a video that just wants to be a video and turning it into a big serious thing
Going with the whole âthere are multiple enas representing the playerâ theory, perhaps this ENA realized that sheâs in a video game and isnât taking it too well? But the game is kind of glitching out because of it.
Honorable Mentions: Random Info + Unanswered Questions
Ena seems self-aware of smth! (10:24 Ena screams "YOU'RE ALL LIVING A LIE!") May help the Run as command idea n the video game/digital reality idea! If not a video gme, they sure r Somewhere
What does the Great Runas look like?? is it the door? is ther mor thn 1 Runas?
What is Mariya n Gabo's Job? R they just like the Guardian Entity in Extinction Party but are assignd 2 this part/location of where they are?
In 6:30, wht does Ulysses mean by "Desires r never fulfilled nor quenched"? "You Will fail like the rest of them" Is he referring 2 the other Ena's that's passed by? who else have come n failed?
This Post Also brings up som good points I hvnt noticd yet!
Thise comment pretty much says everythng:
Standout things from this animation:
-This Ena switches between a male & female voice at seemingly random instead Happy speaking with a male voice and Sad speaking with a Sad voice. The text boxes noticeably refer to this Ena with a reversed E, and The Shepard says "Another Ena troublemaker", implying that there are multiple Enas. We also see some Ena corpses flickering into the mannequin bodies at one point. Third, at the end we see Ena's sad half turn from blue to yellow over the course of Ena & Moony's conversation. My personal theory is that this Ena is possibly 'broken' in some manner. -Moony either doesn't care or dosen't realize that Ena's voices aren't matching the personalities anymore. -The grey personality appears to come out when Ena gets too stressed out. Notably the transformation involves the happy half turning into static and exploding out, erasing Ena's face in the process. It also appears that some physical trauma (in this case, Brick Frog kicking Ena) is necessary to exit the grey personality, unlike the previously seen 'blackout' personalities which can possibly be switched by the other personality exerting themselves (in the auction episode, Ena enters her sad blackout/depressed personality, then switches to Happy!Ena, who apologizes to Moony about her depressed outburst). -Moony's hole is capable of closing to hold things, and she also knows how to skateboard. -Judging by Ena's reaction, Moony's transformation at the end is weird even by this universe's standards.
aaaand thats all 4 now! I really hope thats all my brain can think of skjsdhfsdfkh
Feel free 2 send me asks abt Ena theories n stuff! While this is a Comprehensiv post, itâs definitely mor focused on the Multi-Ena theory n my thghts on the episode whn it comes 2 how it affects the System Ena theory. Iâm open 2 questions!!
Last Edit: Feb 19 2021 (GMT +8)
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Could you go into the difference between the subtext and queerbaiting in it, I'm still kind of -well it's obviously gay but nothing was really ever said or shown that says that expect for people talking about it- Like are the characters and their relationship just queer-coded (positivly ofc lol) but the baitiness comes from them sort of confirming it off the show?
of course! im assuming by âitâ you mean merlin, but rather than explaining the reasons why i think bbc merlin is a matter of subtext (or queer coding) and not queerbaiting, i think it would be easier and more productive to explain the difference between the two in general. they are very similar - which is why i think a lot of people are unable to tell the difference between them - but they have important differences
just a warning, this is going to be a LONG post lmao ive bolded exactly what each term means below, after which i go into more detail on the whole issue. this is something im passionate about so,,, â„
queerbaiting specifically refers to a marketing technique in which creators hint at but dont actually depict a queer character or relationship. They do this in order to attract a queer audience with the suggestion of a character or relationship they can relate to, while also avoiding alienating their queerphobic audiences
queer coding is the subtextual coding of a character as queer through the use of things like metaphor, allegory, hinting, recognisable traits/stereotypes/experiences, etc. This is done to build believable characters and create more complex plot lines, and it is also regularly used by people who want to tell queer stories but are unable to do so explicitly. it CAN be used negatively to enforce damaging stereotypes, but that is just a small part of its usage
both of these things utilise subtext in order to work. subtext is not only a crucial part of the creation of any piece of media, but is impossible to avoid.
an example of the most basic types of subtext is when a character tells someone that everything is going to be okay, but you can tell they dont believe it. or when youre watching a story unfold and you suddenly connect the dots and realise whats going to happen before its explicitly stated - you used subtext and the hidden meanings and hints to figure it out!
the people involved w a piece of media create their story with a specific purpose or meaning in mind, and they construct the subtext of the story to reflect that purpose/meaning. HOWEVER, the viewers dont always see things the same!
your experiences and personality shape the way you view and interpret every piece of media you consume. if you hate cops youll see the insidious undertones in cop shows - if you grew up with an abusive parent youll see the biting implications in a characters dialogue that others find innocent - if youre queer you will search for and fine queer characters everywhere, regardless of the creators intentions
now, both queerbaiting and queer coding use subtext to function, right? so how do you know which is being used and whether or not its a bad thing? its all about intention
to give a specific explanation of the difference im going to use two examples that are (arguably) very similar in the way their queer characters became canon
example 1: adventure time featured the characters marceline and princess bubblegum, who have been forever depicted as a couple in fan content. their interactions in the show were read into and latched onto bc we saw ourselves in them and we saw it as positive queer rep. but their relationship was never explicitly discussed during the course of the show and was only confirmed at the end of the final episode.
that makes 10 seasons in which their relationship existed only in subtext, and when it did finally exist in canon it was only for a few minutes, if that.
example 2: supernatural featured the characters dean and castiel (lol) who have been depicted as a queer couple pretty much since the first episode cas appeared in. i personally hung on their every interaction, analysed every glance between them, bc i interpreted deans character as a parallel to my own childhood trauma.
cas joined the show in season 4, so that makes 11 seasons in which him being gay existed only in subtext, and when it was confirmed he was immediately cut out of the show. the exact nature of dean and castiels relationship still remains in subtext.
so why is it that adventure time is widely considered perfectly fine but supernatural is dunked on as being the poster boy for queerbaiting?
its bc adventure time involved queer creators and was an earnest representation of queer characters, but they were boxed in by their publisher, Cartoon Network and thus the only way for the relationship to exist in the show was through subtext.
supernatural, however, consistently neglected their queer character and employed transparent tropes and stereotypes - bringing him in just sparingly enough to keep queer audiences interested while never being gay enough to alienate their macho manly man queerphobe audiences. they would have dean and cas stare into each other eyes for a full 30 seconds and then almost immediately follow it up with an episode about dean banging a disposable female character.
so imho adventure time falls under queer subtext, and supernatural falls under queerbaiting
when it comes to a show like bbc merlin i see a lot of debate about whether or not its queer coding or queerbaiting, and my intention is not to convince you of either. merlin was very much a product of its time, and i have argued the same about seasons 4-6 of supernatural as well, before the queerbaiting escalated and became exhausting to me
the purpose of this post is to start giving you the information you need to analyse any piece of media and come to your OWN opinion as to whether or not its queerbaiting or whatever else
people will ALWAYS have differing opinions about this shit yall. i have debated so many times w so many people about where the line is and whats okay and what should be âcancelledâ and if consuming something deemed problematic makes you a bad person or not
and my conclusion?
if youre capable of acknowledging the flaws and issues w a piece of media without trying to defend it as a shining beacon of purity simply bc you like it, then you do you. enjoy whatever you want to enjoy - if i think its reprehensible i simply will never interact with you lol
at some point everyone has to stop regurgitating these generic woke speak cancel culture speeches and buzzwords and formulate their own opinions
my advice to anyone reading this is to learn how to do close reading (ill provide a link to a wonderful short guide on it in a reblog bc tumblr hates links) and start really considering where you draw the lines with all types of content. decide for yourself whether merlin or supernatural or adventure time crosses the line into content you cant stomach, but respect other people whose interpretations differ from yours
i know a HUGE amount of people think supernaturals confession scene was homophobic and toxic - a slap in the face - but when i watched it i saw myself reflected in dean. a repressed bisexual whose emotions had been stunted by lifelong trauma, who wasnt ready to face his feelings for cas but quickly realising that his chronic avoidance and fear was about to tear them apart possibly forever. to me it was tragic and beautiful, and i loved it
i also think merlin is a tragic and beautiful love story, and to me its a pivotal piece of queer media that changed the way i viewed love and made me believe that it was a possibility for me bc i related so deeply to arthur
i hope that you can draw a satisfying answer from this, anon, and i apologise for this post being a full essay lol but i believe it needed to be said  - i dont think there is a right or wrong answer here
#long post#bbc merlin#merlin#supernatural#adventure time#subtext#queerbaiting#queer coding#frog talks#anon#ask
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The Reboot Comic Expectations
Since am almost finish with the comic (on page 55 ;-; just at the middle-end) imma just talk about this. no this isnât au introduction v2, this just what would be in the comics. (if you havenât read it already click here)
Hereâs some things that would be in the comics: Changes in dialog Some episodes will be deleted
The following episodes going be deleted:
Copycat - am just uncomfortable
Gigatitan - am not trying to make Gabriel stupid or laughable thatâs why
Santa claws - am not planning to make entire Christmas comic of this, maybe a Christmas special of something else.
Feast - because i changed wang fu backstory
Ladybug - am tired of doppelgangers... i know people liked her but yea.. Oblivio - i just dont like it lmao
All guest star episodes
All #2 version of akumantized villains (expect for stormy weather because she a separate villain)Â
Thereâs be added episodes (and also replaced)
This will start in season 2, season 1 will just have the same amount of episodes (expect for copycat)
There will be filler episodes
Why? Donât you just hate it when the heroes just fighting every single episode and never explore more about they normal life? it also just a break episode for me lmao.Â
Some episodes will be either completely rewritten or slightly rewritten.Â
None of the season 4 (and onwards) episodes will be here, it will be replaced with my own
Why? Its a massive spoiler so am just going keep it short and simple, i have different story am going to do with this (and it wouldnât make sense because Marinette not becoming guardian no more)Â
There will be long arcs
Donât worry is not going be in the first 2 seasons.
Edgy, Dark and violence
Yes. idk am not complete child friendly person ;-;.
Anyways, it would happen in season 3.Â
Episode Felix
Instead of the episode introducing Felix (cuz imma introduce him in the first episode but not completely), it going share his backstory instead in his pov.
Around the world specials would be done in mid time when i feel like doing it but it will very long time when its published....
There will be backstory like episodes There will be episodes only featuring chat noir saving the day and episodes were ladybug saves the day by herself. This also goes for queen bee and other. The episodes will be in the original order Expect for bubbler because i wanted stormy weather to be introduced later.
Writing & Other
My grammar is not good so expect it to sound off
Am not good with fighting scenes so I'll try my bestÂ
Iâll try to make things make sense.
My art style have inconsistent height and things, so am trying to even it off somehow. Am not so great with backgrounds
My comedy epically bad.Â
Extras
Will lukanette be in it?
Even though its a good ship, was canon and all, no. I want to make love square believable instead of unbelievable. And i just want Marinette just to confess her crush already. same thing goes for adrigami.
However, luka still would have a crush on Marinette and kagami will still have a crush on adrien.Â
Explores ms mendeleiev and other staffs of the school.
Thereâs be three redemption arcsÂ
Main one is chloe, the rest will be shown ;)
Pollen actually have a personalityÂ
Power changes
Of course character developmentsÂ
Felix would be in some episodes. Will magical charms exist?
No, but in a different way. Its allowed in one of some other form. But its something else Will heroes outfit change? Yes Future!Alix would be more important character later
Does chat noir gets more powers?Â
Yes
There will be an adult heroes Even though i say it going be less heroes, they will be temporary heroes but it ONLY FOR THAT ARC! not for the rest of the comic trust me. (btw miraculous heroes will not be added as temporaries it will be something else. Miraculous heroes will still have the same amount of heroes because am not adding anymore.){besides they only going be called when necessary, they not apart of the team}Â
Retcons (Both canon and in my own au)(also SPOILERS!!)
Kagami is a runaway child who been missing since 2 years
Luka and Juleka are not twins anymore, luka is an older brother. He takes care of Juleka because both of his parents are missing. He tries to find both of them.
Miraculous heroes cannot get akumantized unless the accessory is not on them. (nor can the miraculous object can be akumantized.)
Adrien will slowly start becoming less gullible towards Gabriel because he sees something is wrong (retcon in my au)Â
The weapons are not toys, they literal weapons lmao. (yes even ladybugâs umbrella, youâll see)
Nathalie not in love with Gabriel
Gorilla will be named Murice cause it sounds better tbh. Gorilla is just his nickname.
(retcon in my au) Andre Bourgeois being friends with Gabriel. I thought i wanted to explain how Gabriel became a terrorist in the first place. (its in Gabrielâs bio about him being a terrorist.)
Thinking what am going to do with these:
Anarka Couffaine and Captain Hardrock(am thinking about doing something interesting with these two) Bob Roth Mr Damocles Le Grand Paris Audrey herself Certain Locations Daroness Anyways thatâs all i want to say cya!(this might be edited, also this will be re-blogged every time a new season starts)
#miraculous ladybug#miraculous au#miraculous ladybug reboot#miraculous ladybug au#ml reboot#miraculous season 3#miraculous season 1#miraculous season 4#miraculous season 2#announcement#alix kubdel#Marinette#luka coffaine#juleka couffaine#kagami tsurugi#felix agreste#web comics#miraculous fanwork
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Weird q..but i really dont understand why most fans hate season 4, especially the last episode. Why? I think it gave us a deeper look on both sherlock and mycroft! I felt it tells a lot about mycroft how he had to step in and take control of things ever since he was a kid himself. Also he is not a robot or a killer. Also redbeard thing. It was an appropriate deep psychological trauma (cause most shows usually disappoint in that area). I am not trying to impose my opinion. Just want to understand
Hey Nonny!
Itâs all good, and I totally respect your opinion and how you enjoyed S4! Itâs totally okay! I know that there are quite a few who got a lot of of S4, and who genuinely enjoyed it.
Sadly, I am not one of those people, and Iâll try to be as diplomatic a possible in my response, but PLEASE know that I donât think youâre âterribleâ or âstupidâ for liking S4 because I DO get passionate sometimes in my responses, and Iâm just merely speaking as someone who studied the series very closely for quite a long time before S4 aired, and as someone who knows Day-One-ers (ie., people who watched Sherlock on its day one airdate) who also are a large majority of the people who did not like S4. This is just me simply stating why I didnât like it, but itâs different for everyone.
Stating what I DO like: The acting and cinematography of the first two episodes were brilliant for what they had to work with, and Iâve never faulted any of the actors for the flaws of S4. And for TFP, they did the best with what they had to work with.
Thatâs⊠pretty much all I really liked about S4.
Now, hereâs my problems with S4:
Nothing made a LICK of sense to the narrative that they were telling in Seasons prior.Â
This series was always based a bit in reality, and suddenly everything became comic-book rules: X-Men villains, shitty âredemptionâ arc, destroying favourite characters just for drama, ludicrous physics, explosions that only destroyed one small room in an apt where in previous episodes one explosion destroyed an entire block, etc.
Sherlock was OOC.
Mary was being built up to be a fantastic villain? Ah, nope, hereâs the lacklustre twist where tee hee Maryâs just an assassin with a heart of gold that still emotionally abuses Sherlock and John and just wonât fucking stay dead.
And speaking of this, the DVDâs make NO LOGICAL SENSE unless she was planning to kill herself
AND she tries to make her death equatable to Sherlockâs??
Everyone was RIDICULOUSLY out of character in TFP, Iâm so sorry: Mycroft is a bumbling coward for the most part, Sherlock disregards John when he gives the Vatican Cameos warning, the Holmes Parents are assholes because Mycroft COULDNâT SOLVE A PROBLEM WHEN HE WAS 12?? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? And that creepy Moriarty / Eurus thing, and LITERALLY theyâre implying that EVERYTHING HAPPENED BECAUSE EURUS DIDNâT GET A HUG. Like, Iâm so sorry, but thatâs lazy writing.
And donât even get me started on the ridiculousness of the entire character of Eurus. She LITERALLY had X-Men powers, and like⊠just nothing made sense. Her involvement in the entirety of S4 MADE NO SENSE. Why go back to prison if you can get out?? WHAT IS THE POINT?? AND I repeat: She did all this because she didnât get a hug. Yes. Iâm oversimplifying, but at the base level, thatâs what it was, because she wanted Sherlockâs attention. Welcome to the club, kid, stand in line, everyone on the SHOW wants his attention.
The ENTIRE plot of the first 2 seasons got wiped out all because it wasnât Moriarty who was interested in Sherlock, but Eurus?? What⊠What about Carl Powers?? LikeâŠ. the ENTIRETY of season one and TGG makes no sense now, because of that one 5 minute scene where Eurus âenlistsâ Moriarty. I⊠ugh.
The SUDDEN tonal switch from kind-of Sherlock to James Bond, for some fucking reason.
And on that note, how terribly lazy and cheap TFP looks in comparison to the other two episodes. The whole episode looks like it was filmed in a small house with 4 identical rooms.
EVERYTHING that was etablished in 2 episodes prior were COMPLETELY forgotten when Mary was âshotâ.
The complete character assassination of one loyal blogger John H Watson in favour of Mary for some fucked up reason, even though AT HIS OWN WEDDING HE COULDNâT STAND BEING AROUND MARY. Iâm sorry, but I donât believe for one damned second that John would EVER forgive Mary for murdering his best friend after seeing what it did to him. Thatâs not love from her, and thatâs NOT Johnâs character EVER in the ENTIRETY of the series.
And speaking of character assassinations, Mollyâs character being devolved to S1E1 Molly, where instead of giving her agency like they were doing with her the ENTIRE series, so much so that Sherlock picked up on her dominance enough to give her a big role in his mind palace in HLV and TAB, only to make her a sad little self-insert Mary Sue pining for the main character, and in turn made Sherlock a TERRIBLE human being for MAKING HER say what she did. Itâs gross.
AND speaking of Mollyâs character, theyâve been setting up Mollstrade since as early as ASiB, but I guess that plot line got shafted. Look I LOVE Hopkins, and I am ANGRY they didnât give her more than 3 fucking lines in the entirety of ONE episode after HEAVILY promoting her actress and character, but they essentially reduced her to a piece of ass for Lestrade to chase. AND THATâS NOT HIS CHARACTER EITHER. EW GROSS.
The constant plot holes being gaped wide open, and the Chekovâs gun moments where they bring up shit but do nothing with it!!Â
TD-12? Nope, just a lame reference to a story we like.Â
John got shot at the end of TLD with a VERY REAL FUCKING GUN? Nope, it was a dart gun.Â
John not suddenly knowing how to be a doctor.
The TGG one I mentioned up above.Â
What was in the letter? And who was Anyone??
Moriarty essentially being erased as anything other than a hired thug and had no part whatsoever in Sherlockâs history.Â
Eurus⊠Just all of her character is asinine.Â
Everyone in T6T suddenly not knowing Johnâs the blogger, which is in direct contradiction to literally the entire series.Â
The AGRA plotline was ridiculous, in the end.
Baby? What baby? It was only there when convenient.
They dropped whatever plotline they were going to do for Mycroft: He was being set up as either dying, or the villain.
Redbeard. Iâm sorry, I disagree with you on that. Mofftiss is trying to tell me that a little boy fell down a well and went missing, and that WASNâT the first place searchers / the police wouldnât have looked? Sorry, no. And then. AND THEN his parents just⊠go along with this thing where Sherlock shuts down and they DONâT get him therapy? Yes, I agree the mind is a funny thing, and we can be traumatised into forgetting or dissociating from traumatic events. I GET IT. But⊠like I donât believe the Holmes are so heartless as to just never grieve or have memories around about their supposedly dead daughter. Itâs another OCC thing for me.
Johnâs cheating.
Disappearing and reappearing characters, like this scene, and the entirety of the aquarium scene.
Mary and John being terrible parents
OH GOD THIS FUCKING SCENE. That bomb SHOULD HAVE DESTROYED THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
What⊠who was this girl on the plane? What? Like I know WHO, but if sheâs supposed to be Eurus talking to Sherlock, why donât we see Eurus⊠talking to Sherlock? I ⊠Ugh.
NORBURY.Â
The glass SUPER SECRET GOVERNMENT ROOM THAT NO ONE SHOULD SEE INTO in T6T.
Sloppy camera work that some believe was intentional, but if it wasnât, jesus câmon.
The RIDICULOUS amount of 4th Wall Breaking. Like⊠even the actors didnât give a shit.
Essentially, everything on this list here and in this blog tag here.
And everything mentioned on these three posts:
T6T: 10 Revealing Things That Haunt You Late at NightÂ
TLD: 10 Revealing Things That Haunt You Late at Night
TFP: 10 Revealing Things That Haunt You Late at Night
Thereâs SO much more I can go into, but please go through my âsomethingâs fuckyâ tag in that last link.
Notice how probably 90% of that has NOTHING to do with âjohnlock not becoming canonâ because the Johnlockers get MONSTROUS accusations as to THAT being why we didnât like S4, even though it was, like critically panned by the GENERAL AUDIENCE who have NO investment in the series other than âI liked it in the pastâ.
Two of my fave YouTubers have interesting (not perfect, but still good) takes coming at the series as casual viewers:
âThe Day Sherlock Diedâ by The Closer Look
âSherlock is Garbage, and Hereâs Whyâ by hbomberguy
So itâs NOT just Johnlockers. Iâve talked to Sher1011ies at 221B con who didnât like S4 either, because most of them realized how shitty Molly was treated in the last episode. So yeah, a big middle finger to those who think I dislike S4 because of âno Johnlockâ. No, I disliked it because I need my stories to make logical narrative sense. I disliked it because I love John and they ruined his character all for the sake of drama and because Moffat has a âhurting Benâ kink. I disliked it because Mary should NOT have been âredeemedâ because she was an abuser. I disliked it because Moriarty was turned into a cartoon villain, even though he was already overused in the series. I disliked it because the core of the show â the FRIENDSHIP of Sherlock and John, and their solving mysteries together â did not exist at all. I disliked it because John got sidelined. I disliked it because TFP was a ridiculous episode that, if you replace ANY of the characters, it wouldnât make a difference, because it didnât feel like an episode of Sherlock. I disliked it because everyone was OOC.
Anyway. Sorry. One too many accusations my way over the past 1100+ days LOL.
As for your assessment of TFP, Iâm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. There was no growth and actually it implies something far more sinister: That the Holmes are and were terrible parents that gave no shits about their daughter, their traumatized son, and expected their eldest to essentially be a parent. It implies that Mycroft, at 12 years old, orchestrated the ENTIRE Sherrinford thing⊠Look I can suspend my disbelief, but thereâs limits, and this is one of them. A LITERAL CHILD. Perhaps Uncle Rudy had a hand in it somehow, but then why not shit on Uncle Rudy? Why is Mycroft blamed for it all?
Look, I donât doubt Sherlock had a traumatic experience regarding âRedbeardâ. But then why play into the fact that he was a dog? Why bring another character into the series just to have a gotcha moment? Because Mofftiss wanted a âShyamalan twistâ, thatâs why. They threw EVERYTHING away for a twist ending either because they GENUINELY thought it was good, or they got tired of doing Sherlock. ALL of TFP is LITERALLY a really bad plot twist because reasons. TFP makes no sense to the ENTIRE narrative structure of the previous 12 episodes. It erased EVERYTHING from the previous episodes, and coated it with a gross closing by a character no one wanted in the series, and then tried to convince us that itâs a new beginning â âa journey they had to go throughâ â but it SOLVED NOTHING.
Anyway. I have big feels about S4, and the only way I can enjoy it is to watch it subtextually, but even then, I cannot sit through TFP without cringing.Â
That said, Lovelies, please do not attack Nonny for enjoying S4! I know you guys wonât, but Nonny came out with an olive branch and they just want to understand why the fandom is passionate about S4âČs⊠whatever it was. We can have a civil discussion about it, and point out â without attacking â why S4 is universally panned. Itâs okay to like things no one else does, and Nonny was respectful to me in this ask!Â
So with that, feel free, lovelies, to express why YOU didnât enjoy the series, or why you did! Iâm interested in both âsidesâ / povâs whatever :)
#steph replies#long post#sherlock s4#s4 shitposting#mofftiss#something's fucky#the mary problem#my thoughts#my meta#shitposting steph#sorry gang if you like the season#it's easier for me to enjoy it if i tinhat
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For the ask game Mai??
MY GIRL MAI!! PERHAPS THE MOST UNDERRATED AND UNDERAPPRECIATED ATLA CHARACTER!!
Why I like them: EVERYTHING ABOUT HER. EVERYTHING. her dry sarcasm (literally mai's witticism is on level with azula's she's just quiet about it), her talent with knives, the way she subtly rebels against azula and her parents (despite their intense restrictions of her), how BEAUTIFUL she is, how she stands her ground when zuko was being a possessive jerk in the beach, her blasé attitude that actually hides her very intense loyalty and care she feels for her friends, the fact that her trauma is presented in a different way than women, especially women of color, are often "allowed" to possess (e.g. she internalizes it rather than acting out; compare to toph. not saying either is more correct than the other!! absolutely not!! just that mai's portrayal is one i hold close to my heart), and really just how complex and nuanced she is in general. how can you NOT adore her??
Why I donât: mai is perfect because she is a realistic character. i do not take criticism
Favorite episode (scene if movie): nightmares and daydreams because we get to see her softer side with zuko but also boiling rock part 2,, for obvious reasons. she stands her ground against azula!! she trusts zuko's judgement despite his refusal to be fully honest with her!! (which was to protect her, not shading zuko here lmao.) mai was truly the star of that ep đ€
Favorite season/movie: i love mai in book 2 ("just take the bear" LMAO) but i gotta go with book 3. her arc is so amazing!
Favorite line: OKAY im gonna be clichĂ©: "You miscalculated. I love Zuko more than I fear you." like holy crap. that's a contender for the most powerful line in atla, regardless of if you ship maiko or not. mai stands up to one of her primary abusers and it is incredibly satisfying to see. comeuppance!! she refuses to be pushed around any longer, and we're all rooting for her đ
Favorite outfit: the classic, of course
OTP: probably maiko because of the canon content, but mailee is such a close second. honestly im due to write some mailee
Brotp: mai&aang!! they are besties okay! and obviously maiko and mailee in platonic contexts are phenomenal, too. ooh - i've also grown partial to sokka&mai and suki&mai
Headcanon: appa loves mai. his list of favorite people is aang, mai, end list. he loves the rest of the gaang, of course, but mai likes brushing him whenever he's visiting the fire nation and takes him flying in her spare time so appa thinks she's the coolest person ever.
Unpopular opinion: this isn't even an unpopular opinion, it's straight up canon - mai was not toxic and abusive. odds are, people who think she was are racist, sexist, and usually too obsessed with ships to acknowledge the complexity of characters outside their favorite pairings.
A wish: besides my wish that fandom would stop ignoring her or worse blatantly misinterpreting her character? i wish we could get some more content of her post-atla! maybe her as fire lady?
An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen: it's kind of already happened, sadly, but i really want some mai content that shows her existing outside of romance. smoke and shadow at least included a lot about her relationship with tom tom and her father, but the whole kei lo subplot felt really unneeded. her and zuko breaking up was fine, but kei lo? was the point of him just to have mai break his heart at the end? nah. i ain't about that
5 words to best describe them: collected, sarcastic, funny, loyal, powerful
My nickname for them: no nicknames!
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