#elizabeth howard's dowry being haggled over and eventually offset with the fines her father 'owed' the crown

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gareth russell doesn't give much detail bc he seems to be saving it all for his book (he wrote this in 2010 tho). he was bickering on his blog (confessions of a ci-devant) with conor byrne about anne's age in the comments. conor brought up thomas boleyn's "five years" comment and gareth insisted the year he married elizabeth howard wasn't sure and his research told him elizabeth didn't get her dowry until 1502, so they probably married that year. not much but it'd be interesting to hear more about it.

lolol, well, he's deleted most of that, so...i think his interest in anne boleyn has fallen off, somewhat, generally speaking? he said he was writing and soon publishing a biography of her, years and years ago. i don't really see how that applies to the five years comment, unless he argued that william boleyn ('for every year my father lived, she brought me a child') actually died later than 1505, but without the text in front of me...

i also don't know whether or not that's true about the dowry, offhand, but if it is, it doesn't necessarily mean that 1502 was the year they married. thomas boleyn was high enough in hvii's estimation to be assigned as part of princess margaret's escort to scotland, but the latter still fined him for ...some entirely arbitrary reason, i'm sure, so not that high. elizabeth (howard) boleyn's father was also a ricardian (and by that i don't mean the tumblr version, i mean as in a literal, stalwart, contemporary supporter of richard iii), and while he was officially forgiven and overcame this somewhat, and was shown favor by hvii in many ways, it's plausible enough of a grudge was held to demur for a year or so on financial matters when it came to his family. thomas howard, (second) duke of norfolk had certainly made the list of nobility edmund dudley claimed had "suffered wrongs" and "[been subject to] unjustly imposed fines".