#dumb gay polyam wants them to date more than they do

[cate-geo]

This is like 90% of my pre-wkm headcanons

Yn and Actor: *have really great chemistry because Mark is devoted to Celine and YN is aspec, so they're both comfortable with one another because they know the other won't try to push for a non-platonic relationship* Celine: ...*gets compersion*

[cherryphobe]

So I'm making up a dating sim that started off as a joke between a few friends that if I made a dating sim I'd make one character 17 & never at any point tries to flirt with the MC shes just there & friendly & if you Ever try to come onto her she either doesn't get the hint or pretty abruptly reminds you that she's a teenager. & if you continue to pursue her she kills you. & the rest of the game is relatively normal dating sim & it's entirely possible to play through the dating sim as a dating sim. It's literally just that if any player tries to romance the only teenager in the game, you die. Because absolutely fuck you gross ass.

But! Now! I'm invested. I'm making all the other characters & having a great time. The MC is someone who grows up in a city but moves for college. After college they find a job offer in their hometown area so you move back home & reaclimate yourself. Part of the game will involved juggle a work life & social life. I think the job will be in like. IT or something idk. But the first character you run into us the teen girl. I think her name is gonna be Daisy. & she recognizes the MC as her older brothers friend from high school. So shes all like wow it's so cool to see you again blah blah asking if you keep in touch w her brother at all & now that you're back in town we should all hang out! & the brother ends up being one of the actual Romance Options & I think his name would be like. Cedar or Pine or Spruce or some woodsy shit & their whole thing is that their parents were all eco conscious & named their kids after plants bc white people things to do. But this boy is gonna be very inspired by tiktok user ghosthoney the gay fae witch boy of our dreams.

Then the other characters are, the drawing I posted last night hehe. You end up going clubbing or whatever & you see these two extremely Mean Looking Hotties who either you approach or they approach you & their WHOOOOOOLE vibe is very much inspired by Margo & Eliot from the magicians the ultimate polyam q*eering heterosexually power couple except they're q*eering homosexually bc Anji's trans & Dax is GNC They Theming & they're both very bi. & their whole plotline is gonna be the breaking down the hardened shells of these Too Perfect To Be True Popular Rich Hotties. God I think I have worked on Anji's backstory the most I want there to be. ALOT of hidden hurt with her. Like stuff youd never guess cuz she carrys herself so well. & Dax is gonna be the like Assumed Fuckboy with a heart of gold. Ah. I love them both so much.

Other potential dating options will include the chubby redhead bookworm Milf who works at a public library. The dilf bear daddy type but daddy as in does alot of woodworking & carpentry & is gonna offer to build you a house on the first date. & Lesbionic Skater Girl who's dumber than a sack of bricks. Maybe not dumb. Just extremely oblivious. Like you will say 'hi wow you're really cute can we go on a date?' You catch a movie hook up in the theater walk home together offer to let her spend the night you hook up more maybe not Fuck fuck just yet but you cozy up & kiss & sleep & wake up the next morning & you're making breakfast & kissing again & like you will do this for 8 months before shes like 'hey... so... do you, uhh... like me?'

[bananonbinary]

I can very much understand why some davejade shippers might be entitled because dave was initially played as the typical cool guy so due to heteronormativity you expect him to 1) have at least one girl into him, and 2) get the girl he wants in the end, and their interactions had chemistry enough to fuel the flames. Davekat fans being entitled weirds me out more because both characters were initially very no homo and explicitly into girls (1/?)

so most people who shipped davekat did it as blackrom, often even leering into icky yaoi stereotypes and such. Dave and Karkat being soft and caring characters and having a healthy relationship was the big unexpected development of these characters so I have no idea how people got so entitled about it so fast. It’s probably a consequence of everyone trying to play hs as this apex of queer rep, which it honestly is not (2/?)             

and there’s also some defensiveness because a canon loving m/m pair like davekat is hard to find and people feel shoving jade there without showing the development was a cheap way of saying “haha yeah they love each other but of course there’s still a girl in the middle”. It’s the kind of problem you ran into when you have only one polyam relationship and only one m/m relationship, it’s gonna have a few flaws rep wise no matter what (3/?)             

  And to be clear I’m not trying to defend any ship or shipper with this, ship discourse is mostly annoying as hell, I’m just mumbling on what I think is going on, even because I suspect this whole thing was improvised because of the difference between when act 7 storyboards were made and when the last upd8s were made. Act 7 shows no indication of davekat at all and the picnic scene even implies the two being still hatefriends/rivals for Jade’s attention (5/?) 

so I think the original plan for the ending was Dave x Jade x Karkat as an het love triangle (gosh it sounds so bad) but Hussie shifted into Davekat/gay singularity mode as he finished writing the act, but by then the animation for act 7 was already under way, because animation takes way more time than panels and writing. So Hussie said screw it and got the three together. I just wish they said the word polyam at least, being vague about feels like baiting a bit. (6/6 i think i lost count sorry)            

here’s the thing: this is a fine argument for being uncomfortable with it. “i dont feel there was buildup and it felt gimmiky and like they didn’t really want to make it polyam”

sure.

but i was huge into davekat circles back in the day, and that’s NOT what most of the arguing is. It’s a huge clusterfuck of biphobic rhetoric, “smol soft boys would never like a GIRL EWWWW” fetishization, and dangerous misconceptions  about poly relationships. people aren’t mad that this relationship felt rushed or badly written, they’re mad that

a) a boy/girl/boy triad made up of explicitly bi characters (and all three characters have literally never been even implied to be gay, hell the guys got together in GO fighting over a girl) isn’t “gay enough” which is biphobic as all hell

b) that a triad is somehow more normative than a couple because the fictional world ONE of the participants is from had severely regulated relationships that aren’t really poly in spirit anyway because each person still has a strictly defined number of partners, which is just about as dumb as when people said alternia is bi-normative and therefor any bi trolls were regressive as if we dont live in a real world where these things have consequences,

c) they’re literally just Big Mad because of some dumb ship war between jadedave and davekat and didnt want to have to shake hands, and

c) the big one, that poly relationships as a concept are damaging if you have self-esteem issues like dave and karkat has, which is………Do Not Do That Pls. you could tell me jade would upset dave somehow. you could tell me karkat’s anger issues are bad for the other two. you could even tell me that karkat and jade’s personalities combined would somehow trigger daves ptsd or w/e. but don’t tell me that a poly relationship would with ANY other character would be :/ problematic actually ://///// just because you think poly people and relationships have to fit a specific stereotype. (fun fact: if u have insecurities about your partners loving you, then as a group you can like...work through that you don’t need to say poly relationships as a concept are Unhealthy for Most People)

once again, if the arguments were actually about like, the people involved or the writing or w/e, i wouldn’t care, but i remember when the credits went up and i made a silly post about how i thought davekat was included in davejadekat and like,,,,,the OUTRAGE. the fucking SHEER HATRED i suddenly received from all those people. i still find people today who obviously blocked me from that one post.

and i remember when act 7 dropped, there was fucking pandemonium. it wasn’t just people feeling like they weren’t represented, i remember Someone Who Shall Not Be Named (one of the people who blocked me lmao) getting absolutely hammered and crytyping all day just because there wasnt an explicit kiss and they werent even the worst of it. that was when i really started re-evaluating how fucking damaging it is to put literally all your stock in a ship playing out in an extremely specific way.

fast forward to like 20 minutes ago, when i saw several posts in a row resurfacing all this shitty rhetoric back in my face like its 2010 and we still are afraid of people dating more than one person. like, explicitly saying they thought a poly relationship was bad for the characters and was actually less woke than two gay boys and all that bullshit.

i don’t fuckin care about the ships. im actually pretty lukewarm about this one. but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP BEING BIPHOBIC AND POLYPHOBIC WHEN DISCUSSING THEM. A CANON TRIAD WILL NEVER EVER FUCKING BE NORMATIVE OR REGRESSIVE OR INHERENTLY ABUSIVE OR WHATEVER OTHER BULLSHIT YOU’RE THINKING. (and characters who are canonically attracted to multiple genders ending up in relationships with characters of different genders will ALSO never be fucknig normative you absolute biphobic shitheads)