#double elim

[quarkfancam]

MAGMA DUMP #WIN

[lady-lazarus-13]

Before Garak (BG):

After Garak (AG):

Bts photos from ds9.trekcore.com

[weneedatdcharacterwho]

We need a td character that in the middle of a challenge gets taken away never to be seen again

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[toxicdykecocaine]

The fact Ive cried multiple times watching Drag race but not when I watched brokeback mountain is crazy to me. What the fuck happened

[crunchyapple33]

i have so many more episodes to script i'm loosing my MARBLESSS

[rpdr dr] . forgot to add in the tags and cant move tags on desktop so im not readding anything . so i'm adding an additional episode so i can have an individual reunion, lala and finale . it's gonna be like s9 where the reunion was filmed after the finale but aired before it . so everyones gonna have a lot of emotions (no i'm not scripting another lexi + onya vs me fight ... totallyyyy not ..) :3

[ao3-oner]

The Post-Game Interview from DK vs. KT has me in shambles

*Lucid and Kellin already looking at him expectantly*

ShowMaker proceeds to smile, laugh, then lick his lips, in that order

Finally, he decides on this bold declaration:

Alexa, play "Gives You Hell" by All-American Rejects

[mrscakeishere]

One of the best bits about writing crossovers is imagining how characters from two different shows might engage in dialogue. It was challenging to get DS9's Garak's interactions with GO's Crowley right, but deeply satisfying when it felt like it worked (at least I think it worked).

The excerpt below takes place in the line of the replimat where Crowley and Aziraphale join Garak and Bashir. Crowley realizes that Garak is up to no good and they engage in a little witty repartee. From The Layover. Excerpt below.

“Well,” Crowley cooed, “isn’t this fun. And might I say, don’t you two make a lovely couple.”

Julian began sputtering and nervously darted his eyes around the replimat. “Oh, we’re no—”

“Can one get hasperat here?" Crowley interjected. "My partner has been dying to try it.”

“Indeed,” Garak's eyes locked on Crowley. “Julian rather enjoys hasperat, don’t you Julian?”

“Well—”

“I heard it’s rather spicy,” Crowley interrupted. “I’m surprised a young man such as yourself would enjoy something so well-seasoned.”

“It does have a rather pungent flavor, I’m afraid," Garak replied. "Although I’m sure Mr. Fell will find it satisfying.” 

[decaydance-smackdown]

Round 1a Results

the fights of round 1a have ended, so its time to list the winners along with who they will be fighting in round 1b!

Just Got Paid, Let's Get Laid by Millionaires won their round, and will be matched up against So Much (For) Stardust by Fall Out Boy!

Hell's Kitchen Angel by MAX ended up pulling through and will next be against Hot Mess by Cobra Starship!

Lazarus by Travie McCoy won easily and will be next against Enemy of the World by Four Year Strong!

Night Shades by Cobra Starship won something finally and will be against A Fever You Can't Sweat Out by Panic! at the Disco!

Hold On Tight by Hey Monday beat their EP and will be against Like Vines by The Hush Sound!

Whisper War by The Cab also beat their EP and will be against As Cruel as School Children by Gym Class Heroes!

Vikings by New Politics narrowly won and will be next against Pretty. Odd. by Panic! at the Disco!

I'm Alive, I'm Dreaming by The Ready Set destroyed their competition easily and will next be facing Save Rock and Roll by Fall Out Boy!

No Introduction by Tyga also won easily and will be facing While The City Sleeps, We Rule The Streets by Cobra Starship!

Santi by The Academy Is also beat their EP and will next be facing MANIA by Fall Out Boy!

Round 1b polls will start to go up either tomorrow or the day after, depends on when i get all the polls done. theyll be posted in two halves, with each side being posted on a separate day. Both polls will run for 24 hours.

wish them luck. It will only get more brutal from here.

[gxtzeizm]

ohhhhh fuck it...today is the 1st day of the knockout stage in m6 world championships arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lady-lazarus-13]

Google is really in the shitter now, huh?

Edit:

I spelled bamarren as barmarren. The AI slop figured out I was referring to "barmarren" in Andy's book A Stitch in Time. But it still didn't correct the spelling. It just agreed it's spelled "barmarren". Slop.

The first search result is not the idiom origins but instead Kung Fu Panda.

[accirax]

Have your rankings on who will come back changed now that episode 13 is out?

(for context, this is about my ranking of most likely eliminated contestants to return in Disventure Camp)

In short, yes, 100% absolutely, for reasons I'll discuss under the cut to hide spoilers from DC4 Episode 13.

...So I didn't know that there would be two returning players--

By the way, I think that two returning players finally puts us at the point where episode count evens out for a clear path forward. If we assume that Episode 14 will not only not eliminate anyone, but instead bring our cast size back up to 12 from 10, it would take 11 episodes to distill us down to one winner. (This is assuming that, like DC2 and DCAS, the finale will be split into two episodes that go 3->2 and 2->1.) 14+11=25 episodes, plus an extra one that will probably be used as a second Loser's Motel-esque episode closer to the finale. Hence, the onslaught of non-elim episodes seems to finally be coming to an end! Know that, if your fave gets eliminated now, they'll be gone for good.

But, back to the task at hand! Obviously, things have the potential to change when bringing back two contestants instead of one. But honestly, what's more relevant to me is the extra information that we've gleaned from a glimpse at the daily lives of the eliminated players on the Edge of Extinction... I mean, "Rescue Island."

Relevant info ranges from new bonds that players have made with people they may not have even met before, whose plot arcs seem like they were getting either set up or shot down, and even who was getting focused upon and who was getting more sidelined. (Although, that last one is a bit of a double-edged sword, as getting focus could mean that they're getting everyone re-invested in your return, or that this is your last hurrah.) The stage has been set for a double return, and I'm taking it upon myself to examine the stagecraft to refresh my predictions.

This will once again be a ranking, although a bit different than the last. With 8 eliminated contestants, there are 28 possible pairings to consider. While that number isn't unmanageable, I would rather not have to write 28 separate entries in this follow-up, and I doubt you would really want to watch me ponder the minute distinctions between Amelie + Marissa and Amelie + Ivy anyways. Therefore, this will be a simple top 5 of the most likely duos I see making a return to the game. If the true combo is one that I don't wind up mentioning, then, I guess we can just say that I failed, lol. Also, because I'm only doing 1-5, I don't think it makes sense to start from #5 and work my way up. Instead, we'll be starting with my pairing #1, which is...

#1: Diego + Tristan

Are people surprised to see that Ted has fallen out of my #1 contenders? Well, I did just combine my #2 and #3 contenders, so it's not too much of a shakeup. I'm, like, 80% certain now that, given the context of last episode, Diego and Tristan will soon be back in the game.

Diego had just about the perfect episode to set up for a return to the competition. On top of him not showing that he's moved past whatever he and Spencer had together, attention was drawn multiple times to the fact that he hasn't gotten over what happened, and typically refuses to even acknowledge it. Showing off Diego's still-open wounds similarly reinvigorates our interest in seeing the drama between him and Spencer play out. And, while there's still potentially time for that story to be concluded outside of the competition, it now feels like big enough of an issue that it should be handled in the main story moving forward (especially in the wake of Spencer just revealing his continued guilt over what happened to Logan as well).

Speaking of Spencer and Logan, what of the shipping side of things? Have I backtracked on the prospect of logancer being canon kings? Ehhhh, sort of, but not really. Notably, Trevor's comments in the episode recap made me even more certain that romance between Logan and Spencer will be relevant to the season somehow.

(Although, it's possible that could just be Trevor being fruity lol)

If Diego does come back, though, it's possible that we could be face to face once again with our old friend (or, foe?), the love triangle. My hesitance now comes from being less sure if it would be a diencer endgame or a logancer endgame. I could totally see a world where Logan's feelings are one-sided and/or Logan and Spencer decide that they're just better off friends, but I can also see one where, over the course of the season, Diego comes to realize that he and Spencer aren't a good match for each other, and ultimately supports Spencer being with Logan instead.

In a based world, Diego's clear physical attraction to Logan as highlighted in his exit interview could be a hint towards a poly Diego/Spencer/Logan relationship emerging. However, given how ONC handled huntessally, I'm hesitant to believe that that would ever happen.

While perhaps not as good as Diego's, Tristan also had a good episode to support their return. The main argument I can see against Tristan coming back now is that they got so much focus in this returnee episode-- focus that ONC might have placed elsewhere if we're about to get a bunch more Tristan content in the series proper anyways. However, Tristan is a fan favorite (and probably a writer favorite) character who likely would have merited a lot of content anyways, and their reunion with Ivy was something that would have been weird to skip over, especially with Ivy sort of serving as this episode's POV character.

However, beyond what I already outlined in my prior post about how Tristan coming back into the competition would make sense, my sister (@venus-is-thinking) highlighted some logic that made me really high on Tristan's chances.

We all know that Tristan is very conflict-averse, and easily gets uncomfortable when others are arguing. We were even reminded of that in Episode 13 with Amelie and Emily, who are shown on the thumbnail. Therefore, bringing Tristan back into the fold when their former bestie Zaid is absolutely furious at their former crush Benji opens up a ton of interesting opportunities to explore Tristan's character and help them grow. Making a vibe tribe between a bunch of strangers is one thing, but reestablishing that vibe when people are already mad at each other is another entirely. I think this would be excellent timing for a Tristan return, which is why I'm rooting for it to happen.

Also, to the extent that ONC would want the two returning contestants to have at least a bit of a dynamic between each other, the fact that Tristan was ultimately the one to hug and comfort Diego near the end of the episode felt like it may have been very intentional foreshadowing that Tristan will Diego interpret his feelings in the future. That can't happen if only one of them comes back into the game, so let's just bring both of them back!

#2: Alessio + Ted

From red to blue, here's #2! Wow, I should be a poet. Or, perhaps, a musician...?

I imagine I wasn't the only one surprised to see such an emphasis placed on Alessio and Ted's dynamic throughout this episode. I mean, I guess the two of them were in an alliance (kind of) once upon a time, but so much more focus was placed on Alessio's bond with Logan that I genuinely forgot that was the case. Still, I understand why the writers did it: Alessio and Ted have a lot of chemistry with each other. Enough chemistry, perhaps, to justify their return to the competition...?

Ted's reasons are about the same as I last laid them out. Yes, we got a bit more information (or at least, information more directly stated) about Ted's insecurities, and how he feels like his life lacks a purpose other than gambling. However, when Lynda had the same crisis of faith (about being ashamed that she was only a housewife), even if she didn't win, her accomplishments were highlighted by Richard during her elimination, and Marissa prior to that.

To my memory, no one has ever done the same for Ted. Therefore, without any further story content, Ted is just left feeling like a loser, which is a pretty unprecedented route for DC-- unless the character is as obviously evil as Riya or Yul. Even Fiore got a happy ending eventually! From the beginning, I think Ted was meant to be at least somewhat rootable. I'd think he's bound to get a confidence boost someday.

Meanwhile, Alessio. Now that we've gone into even further detail about Alessio's deal-- how the high expectations of his artistic family have caused him to lose faith in his abilities and worth in general, not just to lack inspiration-- it really seems like Alessio's character could be wrapped. Him playing the guitar and singing at the end of the episode could prove that Alessio has, once again, found inspiration, and the drive to keep being a creator, despite his fears.

However, that's kinda what I thought last time, and then Alessio came back swinging with more content than I thought was there! He's a man of many surprises, so he could surprise us yet with reentry into the game.

In terms of their dynamic together, like I said, this episode did a great job of making me care about Alessio and Ted's dynamic should the show want there to be one between the two returning players. Because Alessio and Ted weren't particularly close during their time on the Blue team (hell, Alessio even voted for Ted on his way out), the players still in the game probably wouldn't expect for the two of them to be working together. Therefore, I think it could be fun if they had a secret alliance with each other where they could give each other recon. For instance, maybe Alessio could reconnect with Logan and Richard and tell Ted what's going on there, while Ted schmoozes with the former Red Team and gives Alessio the deets. They could be the most undercover duo this game has ever seen! (Now, where have I heard that one before...? /ref)

#3: Ted + Tristan

Okay, now this one is just me shamelessly smashing together my top two picks from before Episode 13. You've already seen my arguments for why I think Ted and Tristan could be good returnees (from before and after e13), so I won't go through it again. Instead, let me argue against myself for why I don't think that my former two contenders will be the selection anymore.

Issue #1: Diego. And, to a lesser extent, Alessio. While I think that any further content for Alessio is potentially skippable, Diego is now in a position where it might be tricky to conclude his arc in just four more episodes. (Any characters who don't return will probably only be seen in next episode's challenge, the other LM episode, and Finale pt 1 and 2). Not choosing to include Diego might wind up fumbling his character a little, which would suck.

Issue #2: Ted and Tristan have little to no connection to each other. Speaking of, perhaps I should elaborate on the whole concept of "the returning players having a dynamic."

Technically, there's nothing wrong with having two characters come back to the game who aren't connected to each other. In fact, one could argue that it's better, because it would imply that the characters would affect a greater range of players still in the game. For instance, even though Marissa and Lynda have a great dynamic with each other, they would both be very tied to Anastasia/the former girls' alliance upon their return, leaving the dynamics of the red team largely unaffected by the returnee challenge.

However, if handled properly, I think it's better to have the characters be at least slightly connected to one another. First off, it's a representation of the time that's passed at Rescue Island. In real life, Tristan and Ted would have been living together with only a few other people for about 2 weeks before reentering the game, so it would be weird if they acted like they basically didn't know each other at all in the game itself. It would diminish the impact of Rescue Island as a twist and institution.

Secondly, it would just feel... random. My fear with Tristan and Ted returning is that the whole thing would just feel like, "man, we really can't decide whether we want to bring back Tristan or Ted... so what if we just brought back both?!" It's an issue that might not even bother people other than me, but in my eyes, pulling a move like that would be more of an instance of just wanting to restore a previous save state of the game than to truly build something new. Agree or not, that's what I mean when I talk about returnee characters having a dynamic.

#4: Ted + Diego

Logistically, this one should at least be above Ted + Tristan, because I think that Ted and Diego are the two characters who have the best argument to currently facing unsatisfying endings.

However... I dunno, I just don't vibe with this being the returning pair. Maybe it's just my bias of liking Tristan more than Diego, or maybe it's that these two would both sorta gravitate towards the Spencer/Logan pair. Although, Diego would certainly interact with Hannah, at least, as well. Is that a good thing, or a bad thing? It kinda ruins the Hannah curse plotline, but so does, like, anyone eliminated from Red returning.

For whatever reason, I just don't see this pairing as much as I do the three above it. However, it does have most-if-not-all of the benefits of both a Ted return and a Diego return, which certainly makes it a worthwhile pair. Perhaps I'll be eating my words two weeks from now, much like Diego with his fruit.

#5: Ted + Lynda

It's very funny to me that I've put Ted in all of my top 5 combinations except for the one that I actually think is most likely to happen. That's just how the cards were stacked, I suppose. Ted's a gambler; he'll understand.

Advantages of Lynda returning? Like I said in the other post, it would give her a better chance to fully prove herself, and have a unique plotline, to say the least, of always coming back from the brink of disaster. If she gets to come back with Ted, it would be interesting to see how Richard would react. I also just like the dynamic between her and Ted, which I mentioned before.

I'll stop beating around the bush, though; I don't really think this is going to happen. There are still a lot of problems with Lynda returning, and the capstone she got with Marissa this episode felt like a suitable end to her character. The fact that she didn't talk much with Ted this episode also didn't seem great for their chances of returning together. I was just kinda struggling for a fifth pairing, and thought this would be more interesting (and probably more likely?) than just saying, "okay, here's Alessio + Tristan!"

So, those are my new choices for which pair I think will ride on the Carnival of Chaos once again. I also want to give a shoutout to Tristan + Ivy, which I think is a uniquely terrible pairing to come back. Defusing Zaid's anger that hard would be both awful for the story and absolutely hilarious.

Can't wait to be totally wrong again. Thanks for the ask!

POTENTIALLY SPOILERY EDIT:

Okay I've been watching Silly Billy's episode 13 reaction now and he really makes it sound like neither Ted or Alessio is returning-- and especially not with each other. So... Tristan/Diego sweep!!! or it's secretly like Marissa/Ivy or whatever lmao

[hockeyblorbopolls]

you COULD always make the bracket double elim so the blorbos who've gone out early can get a second chance

you might be onto something! originally I went with a single elimination bracket instead of double elimination because I wanted to reduce the number of polls/make the tournament go faster. the nhl tournament is already going to take seven rounds, so at one poll per week for each player it will take around two months finish the entire thing.

I just made a test double elim bracket in the bracket generator, and (unless I’m reading it wrong) it looks like it would only add an extra round/week to the overall tournament timeline. edit: I did misread it a bit! the main bracket would be around the same length, but the bracket with eliminated players would take a few more rounds. I would probably end up shortening some of those polls from a week to three days.

would there be interest in a double elimination bracket? it doesn’t fully solve the problem, because there will still be really highly seeded blorbos in the main bracket. but the double elimination bracket could add an interesting element!

[favoritenintendocharacterbracket]

According to Challonge, Double Elimination means Double Elimation, so SUDDEN DEATH MATCH!

This is actually the 3rd time this match up happened.

The Hero of Time won back in round 1

And the Hero of Twilight won today.

So who will win. Mentor or Student?

I'll make it a 24 hour match to avoid dragging things out too much

[lydiabkollins]

pythia elim on a double kitty & kween win so basically this means i should k*ll myself

[ladyylavenderrr]

Re: Garak and psychosis

Hi! I do a lot of thinking about Garak, and I also read a lot of psychotic traits on him! I think while they didn't write him thinking of textbook psychosis, a man who has lied so much he can't really tell truth from lie because, to him, "truth is in the eye of the beholder" has to have some level of separation from reality. This is a rather looooong analysis, mostly of events that happen in "The Wire",  but I promise I have a point lol. 

So. I've been thinking about his "lies" to Bashir about his past, and one thing that caught my attention was the hesitation at calling Elim "... my friend"; 

once we found out that he is Elim himself, some stuff from the infirmary monologue got very curious: "we grew up together", true; "we were closer than brothers", true, in a very literal way; "for some reason, Enabrin Tain took a liking to us" well, the reason is that he is his father, that's some reason; 

Now, I'll address his separation of Elim from Garak: I'd say that growing up keeping the secret about who his father was, living a double life from the beggining, then such a split of the ego is almost inevitable. 

Elim is the son, the one who knows the truth, the one who knows Cardassia's love of the family and the people is a lie told to keep powerful men powerful; Tain was the Order, the Order was Cardassia, thus Cardassia's symbol is a man who is a hypocrite, one who betrays his own family- And Garak is the spy. The citizen, the servant of the State. As Tain says himself, he never had to ask Garak to put the implant in his brain, or to do anything - he was so eager to please, and that's what made him special. 

He would keep the truth, one that would make his work unbearable, as something of Elim, while he would be plain and simple Garak, the muscle, the man who did the dirty work without asking any questions. The man to whom family and state, two things he was alienated from from birth, were everything, regardless of how much his work went against that.

Onto the next bit, now: in the end of his monologue, Garak tells a more complicated story to fit into this analogy- he says he faked records to incriminate Elim, only to find out in the end that Elim had beaten him to it; Elim had destroyed him, and before he knew what was going on, he was sentenced to exile; 

But once we know that he is Elim, and if we keep the same logic that Elim represents his inner sense of truth - of knowing he is being used in a very cruel way and that none of that makes any sense - then it's logical that he would sometimes be one step ahead, and sometimes be killed by Garak in the blindness of duty; sometimes watching in horror as he let himself be driven by hunger or fatigue instead of seeing his duty to the end, for he knew the consequences; 

Then, it would be Garak's inner sense of truth, of reality, what destroyed him as the soldier, the spy. Maybe he actually did let those bajorans go for any reason whatsoever, maybe he framed himself for it- I'd say he broke down, some way or another. And he says he deserves it for what he tried to do to Elim, his own screaming sense of reason; much like Marritza killed his past self to die as Darheel - it is the coward, who covered his ears because he couldn't stand to hear the screams for mercy of the Bajorans, who couldn't stand to look at the truth and do something about it, the one who deserves to be punished. 

He became a man who is distressed and anxious during an interrogation, willing to take any answer no matter how irrelevant, just so he doesn't have to keep torturing someone he's kind of friends with, like what happens with Odo later on. We didn't see him do any torturing before that, so maybe he wasnt capable of doing it like he used to before he was exiled, not as a consequence of it; Imo life on DS9 made it "worse" as he became, slowly, part of a community like never before. 

And then, there's Bashir. Again, Garak is a man who adores the state and the family, and has neither. A man who spent his life having no ties to anyone that he couldnt cut immediately, sometimes by killing the person if it was the most efficient way.

On his deathbed, after being really rude and hateful towards Bashir while Bashir lost sleep and thought of nothing but saving him for days, he comes up with this magnificent story, that ends with something that can be interpreted as "I deserve this. Not for betraying Cardassia, the State, but for betraying my best friend." And as he says "my best friend", he stares at Bashir. He then asks for forgiveness, as if he was also asking for Bashir to forgive him for his betrayal of their friendship, for the things he said. He needs to know that, if he can't forgive himself for the horrors, at least someone is capable of forgiving him.

Always full of layers to his half truths and truthful lies, even when he really thinks he's gonna die. He haf-believes it, as a half-truth, even the bits that are made-up; That's where I'd say his link to reality is broken. Idk if any of this makes sense, but this is how I read into it, as someone who has psychotic symptoms and traits, but also as a nerd who loves to nit-pick complex characters like him. 

Peace and long life 🖖

I think it’s always really interesting if Garak truly does believe some of the lies he tells, at least partially. I really like your analysis!!

[ao3feed-ds9]

Imperiled

https://ift.tt/QRLaymu by DreamerDrop Of course, Garak would break in when Julian has his program set for the most humiliatingly explicit ending he could fathom. Of course, his coworkers would somehow end up with their physical pattern stored in the characters participating in said ending. Of course, he wouldn’t be allowed to freeze or end or alter the program without killing all of them. Of course, this would happen to him, why wouldn’t it? Or: Julian’s spy program has a villainous gangbang option and the universe has a really sadistic sense of humour. Words: 8120, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con Categories: F/M, M/M Characters: Julian Bashir, Elim Garak, Hippocrates Noah, Falcon (Star Trek), Duchamps (Star Trek), Honey Bare (Star Trek) Relationships: Julian Bashir/Elim Garak, Julian Bashir/Other(s), Julian Bashir/Hippocrates Noah, Julian Bashir/Duchamps, Julian Bashir/Falcon, Julian Bashir/Honey Bare Additional Tags: Episode: s04e10 Our Man Bashir, Holodecks & Holosuites (Star Trek), Whump, Julian Bashir Needs a Hug, Bottom Julian Bashir, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Gang Rape, Gun Kink, Forced Orgasm, Spit As Lube, Rough Sex, Rough Oral Sex, Klingon Anatomy (Star Trek), Sexual Violence, Double Anal Penetration, Hurt No Comfort, Bad Sex, Victim Blaming, Gun Violence, Gangbang, Flashbacks, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Dead Dove: Do Not Eat, Crack Treated Seriously, Very Brief F/M, Anal Sex, POV Alternating