#donna and josh

[1jemmagirl22]

Ok, so in the past week of my minor to moderate obsession with Lucy and Lockwood from Lockwood and Co I have scene many many comparison to Kanej, I agree with these comparisons, these comparisons are accurate and beautiful. 

But, that being said, I think Lucy and Lockwood share almost as many if not more (And mind you different) similarities with Josh Lyman and Donnatella Moss from the West Wing. 

Am I insane to compare these two? Yes. Am I, via routes of similarity, therefore arguing that Kanej and JoshDonna are similar? Also yes. With that out of the way here’s my argument. 

Everyone is comparing Kaz and Lockwood because of the investment/asset thing, and yes that is a key piece of it, but if you look closer at Lockwood’s character he shares far more similarities to Josh Lyman. Anthony Lockwood, is an arrogant jack ass (or dick head, in Lucy’s words) who uses bravado, quips, genius level work moves, and deflection techniques to cover up his trauma, his fear of hurting the people he loves, of the people he loves leaving him, and his unresolved issues with his dead sister. Josh Lyman is an arrogant jack ass who uses bravado, quips, genius level work moves, and deflection techniques to cover up his trauma, his fear of hurting the people he loves, of the people he loves leaving him, and his unresolved issues with his dead sister! 

I mean, like, I’m not even wrong! Seriously I swear I’m head cannoning Lockwood’s somehow related to Josh Lyman cause my gods are they similar. 

But, Josh and Lockwood aren’t the only similar characters. Lucy Carlyle, is an underestimated, young, bad ass, who absolutely worships her boss, even though he’s a complete jack ass, and has him wrapped around her finger; she lies her way into a job with said jack ass boss, after escaping a toxic environment where her self confidence suffered greatly. Donna Moss is an underestimated, young, bad ass, who absolutely worships her boss, even though he’s a complete jack ass, and has him wrapped around her finger; she lies her way into a job with said jack ass boss, after escaping a toxic environment where her self confidence suffered greatly.

Tell me I’m wrong! Both sides of the ship are nearly identical! Even the fantasy elements vs political elements aside there's still more!

Josh and Donna are always touching, like seriously, look at them!

They are always touching! 

Similarly Lucy and Lockwood, are always touching. 

The constant physical contact, is a major difference to Kanej, because as anyone who has read the books or scene the show knows, Kaz Brekker and Inje Ghafa have many many issues with physical touch. 

But I’m not done! There is also the employer employee dynamic, but the employee, ie. Donna and Lucy, have an unknowing and or knowing ability to make their boss, Josh or Lockwood, do whatever they want because their boss is completely enamored by them. 

No character in either ship can't stand the idea of their significant other hurt, in fact they loose it when the other is hurt. Both ships bounce off each other, with quick banter, and a total understanding of the other’s thoughts. There is an undeniable chemistry, and complete and total understanding in every single gaze between Josh and Donna and Lucy and Lockwood. 

These two ships have so many similarities its insane! They are near perfect parallels, with the only real difference, aside from setting, being age. Lucy and Lockwood are teenagers, Josh and Donna are adults. But set those differences aside and you have two insanely similar ships, with similar backgrounds, character beats, and connections. I honestly can’t believe how amazing this parallel is, and Lockwood and CO deserves another season 

[hollygl125]

Allison Janney, Rob Lowe, Janel Moloney, Richard Schiff, Martin Sheen, John Spencer, and Bradley Whitford in THE WEST WING (1999-2006), “Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc” (01x02)

After it, therefore because of it. It means one thing follows the other, therefore it was caused by the other. But it’s not always true. In fact, it’s hardly ever true.

[thebartlets]

unhinged West Wing + text posts Onion headlines (pt 6/?)

[joshdonnas]

"Okay, call the State office. Tell them to send a local volunteer. Tell them we don't have time... You're doing it right?" "Yeah."

20 Hours in America (Season 4, Episode 01) THE WEST WING

[bartletslesbians]

The West Wing + text posts (36/?)

[g-luztrash]

"Never Doubt That A Small Group Of Thoughtful Individuals Can Change The World." - President Bartlet

Now available on my redbubble

[lemon-lyman]

THE WEST WING → 7.16 'Election Day: Part One'

[morganaconda]

[livelovecaliforniadreams]

2x18 | 7x1

[ginandweas]

And when he did that shot, I thought, that’s not going to make that in there. Tommy’s going to be like ‘No.’ But he really filmed Josh looking in a puppy dog, I-like-her, way. I think that really started the trajectory on the show. So he was really excited to be filming that and he was just super jazzed. - Janel Moloney on “In Excelsis Deo”

[jessbakescakes]

From Janel Moloney’s piece on Donna Moss | September 14, 2024 (full article here, free trial if you enter your email)

[1jemmagirl22]

So I want to do an experiment. I’ve been watching the West Wing with my mother on an off, my mother who watched it when it first came out, as apposed to me who discovered it through Tumblr. 

Anyways, we’re like half way through season 5 and the stark contrast between how we feel about Josh Lyman is really interesting to me.

My mother, hates Josh Lyman, loath his entire character and calls him a jack ass at every other scene he’s in.

My mother, is not wrong to call him a jack ass, this is a true fact about his character. That being said, our opinions on this being a negative vs positive trait are very different. I consider Josh being an arrogant jack ass one of my favorite parts of his character, my mother finds it a turn off.

I believe, and this is fully speculation, this difference in viewing of character traits like Arrogance, jack assery, cocky quips, and inherently stupid but usually well placed decisions, is due to our different mind sets when it comes to fiction.

I’m an obsessive fangirl who adore the CW, YA Fantasy, and has shipped literally every partners in the workplace relationship network television has ever made (I’m serious, pick a network tv crime drama pick ten, I’ve watched most of them, and I will ship the main characters even if there’s no romantic tension). My mother is not, my mother views fiction in a far less not only romantic, but forgiving and even enjoying of character flaws mind set.

If a character is flawed with daddy issues, childhood trauma, emotional contestation, etc, I will love them, it’s a near certainty. My mother does not. 

This difference in viewpoint really to me, seems like why she hates Josh and I love him. Many of my favorite characters are to put it lightly, deeply flawed traumatized psychotics. Or deeply flawed precious nerd babies, and Josh kind of ties the bridge between both.

This difference of opinions also continues on the subject of Josh and Donna. I worship them, my mother finds the entire idea of their relationship appalling. Josh and Donna are in comparison to many of my other ships, tame and relatively unproblematic. My mother, who doesn’t have the same love of ships (or hard engrained worshipping of enemies to lovers) doesn’t see Josh and Donna as the Fitzsimmons parallel friends to lovers I do, she’s sees them as a jack ass arrogant guy flirting inappropriately with his assistant. 

[hollygl125]

@tvarchive TV Appreciation Week 2024: Day 5: Favourite season of a TV show: THE WEST WING (1999-2006), Season 02.

Point of order, Mr. Chairman! Mr. Grissom? Will the senator yield for a question?

[lithiumseven]

[joshdonnas]

DONNA MOSS AND JOSH LYMAN Holy Night (season 4, episode 11) The West Wing

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