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[daniclaytcn]

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3. screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

i wish i could erase this from my memory, but i once saw a screenshot of a post by AGN where they 'ranked' all the 911 characters in order of 'importance' with bobby, athena and maddie in the first tier; buck and chimney in the second; eddie, hen and fucking taylor kelly in the third; and i don't remember the rest. i don't remember her explanation for it, except that hen and eddie are 'essentially side characters' and that chimney only got bumped up to the second tier after he became maddie's love interest 💀 i...truly could have gone my whole life without seeing that

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[dailyfigures]

Unpopular opinion: I hate hate HATE loli figures. idc if people collect them because they’re ‘cute’ it’s still weird asf imo, there are so many other and much cuter figures. It disgusts me how popular and normalized they are among the anime community.

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oh god anon allow me to specifically rant about one of my worst pet peeves. i used to see this mostly on tiktok when i still had the app, but i've seen it happen on most social media.

it really grinds my gears when people own a suggestive/nsfw figure of a minor, and then accuse anyone who dares to say something about it of sexualising children. if you want to own figures of a child/teenager in lingerie, i'm really not a fan of that but at least own up to it. don't act like everyone else is weird when you own a figure made with a certain intention and refuse to admit it.

maybe it helps to give an example; i saw someone on tiktok own a figure of ram from re:zero in lingerie, on hands and knees with an arched back. i think ram is 17 and later in the series an adult, arguebly not the worst figure ever but i can imagine people finding it a little weird. op started accusing everyone who made a comment about the figure by pulling an uno reverse and going "wow....how deeply SICK of YOU to see a child and make it sexual....i would NEVER see her like that.....". ok good for you but i can assure you that was the intention the figure was made with, the target audience is adult men and it's strange to deny this. they even claimed that it was fine because "everyone who collects ram is sapphic anyway" i can assure you that is not true 😭😭 this is very much a case of being in your little online gay bubble and thinking the whole world is the same as you. the target audience of all (female) suggestive/nsfw figures is simply straight men. i'm not saying it's the only people who can own them, but it is who the companies have in mind when producing the figures and it is the largest part of the market. it reminds me a bit of when kpop stans think only gay 17 year olds stan their favourite girl group and then you watch a perfomance where the crowd cheering isn't filtered out and it's all 40 year old men. i'm not stoked about it either, but it is simply the truth.

ofcourse i've seen people reaching, it does happen on tiktok that people get overly sensitive/woke/whatever and blindly hate anyone who collects normal nsfw figures or anyone else who didn't do anything wrong. not every tiktok comment section is filled with the brightest minds of our generation (shocker, i know). i do however think it's a common thing, even with real life children, where people try to question something inappropriate and somehow get the blame. i saw this happen when mothers thought it was strange that target sells swimsuits for babies/toddlers with hip cut outs, and then people accusing said moms of being the weird ones for "thinking a children's swim suit is sexual". guys am i losing my mind. am i going crazy. the concerned mothers are not the problem here for pointing out a weird thing. why in god's name were the swim suits designed like that. can we get an ounce of critical thinking in the chat.

AND ANOTHER THING! sorry guys this is like 5 years of built up irritation you have to let me go for a moment. anyway LOOK at this same shit i saw yesterday. i will not share the video but it was a video of very young middle school girls wearing heavy (gyaru?) makeup, fashion, wigs and nails which was honestly already a bit baffling because it was so much on such young kids. they were all wearing that fashion trend where you wear low rise pants/skirt and then pull up your thong strings to the high heavens so they're on your hips and sticking out off your pants/skirt. not a trend i usually mind but these were very young girls and the whole look, the visible underwear especially, was very inappropriate for their age so people in the comments were uncomfortable. i took one single peak at the comments and had to leave for my own sanity. you guys cannot be serious.

and let me get this very clear: i have also seen people sexualise children doing normal things many times. both extremes are a problem. i think it's fucking weird to sexualise a child giving their parents a kiss or telling a child they shouldn't wear their bathing suit around their male family members, etc. however it is ALSO fucking weird for children to do/wear things that were specifically made for adults doing adult things (like wearing visible lacy thongs when you're in middle school) and no adult stepping in for the child's own safety. both things are weird and i hope everyone dies. anyway what were you saying anon? ah right, no i don't like loli figures either. not a fan.

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[slowpokedragon]

fellow huntlow hater. roast them

YAAAAYY OK HERE I GO

fandom ruined it - why is willow commonly hotsexy fat girl w huge boobies OR extremely ooc shy when we know her personality changed after her memories were burned. why is hunter always uwu shy boy when hes got pretty fucking severe anger issues, theyre just leashed.

boring - literally zero taste ship. what do they even have in common aside from flyer derby. fucking amity and hunter have more chemistry (does anybody remember eclipse lake CAN ANYBODY HEAR ME)

comphet nightmare - WILLOW... WILLOW YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A BUTCH LESBIAN... WILLOOOOOWW!!!! WILLOWWW!!!!!!!!!!!

no chemistry - LITERALLY THIS. fuck man idek what else to say they just dont have shit in common! willow literally triggers him in FTF w the flapjack photo and then shes like "ohh... im sooo sorry i did this... im gonna run away and cryyh....." HUH? why is she making it about herself ?? literally forced to be ooc for sake of ship... why is hunter comforting her abt this during her ooc as shit breakdown when by all right he has a right to be angry and has been shown to be the type to hold a grudge? and for that fucking matter, willow has never actually been the type to "smile and hold it all in" in the same way that luz is. she WOULD actually rely on camila and talk to her, because shes used to having good parents she can rely on. (not to say camila is a bad parent, but clearly she and luz struggle communication wise.) I MUST ALSO COMPLAIN... WHEN DOES ANYBODY CALL HUNTER "HALF A WITCH"? HE IS LITERALLY A TEEN PRODIGY. people dont even know hes powerless without his staff, we LITERALLY SEE LUZ REALIZE THIS ON SCREEN!!!? why the FUCK is canon trying to tell me that they can bond over being called "half a witch"? BULL FUCKING SHIT

stupid, in an annoying way - willow and hunter are both in turns forced to be the damsel in distress for ship moments when theyre both extremely competent combatants and the struggles they face that enable those ship moments are Fucking Dumb.

how tf is this even a ship? - literally forced to be ship by the show... hunter my beloved you could have been the lumity homewrecker (and i have THOUGHTS on how Nothing the lumity ship is and how dirty they did amitys character)

keep that girl away from him! - ah yes willow, the forceful character who tends to impose her will on her friends post memory episode, and has even used magic to restrain hunter before (flyer derby episode); im sure this will be great for hunter's self actualization and cause zero backsliding in regards to him being used to being the caretaker for belos who bends to his will under every single thing and is a people pleaser and has only been shown to be himself properly around luz (and gus to a lesser extent)!!!!!

i can fix them if i actually cared - this would require a real huntlow based episode where they talk things out and willow becomes uncomfortable with how hunter is willing to do anything for her and even gets her things before she asks (like, if she mentions being thirsty, before she even gets up hes already back with a glass of water and an expression akin to a dog awaiting praise.) this compounds over the episode until she freaks out a bit and then sits him down and asks what His Fucking Deal Is and hes forced to confront his people pleaser nature, and resolves to change for the better.

its genuinely just bad. - REEKS of "oh shit we gotta pair everybody off except not gus cuz hes a baby but we will also shiptease him and matt btw youre never getting a proper mlm ship Fuck You". ...also i must once again complain about ooc willow. why does she only reciprocate hunter's crush after he isnt disabled anymore (unable to use magic)? like, its not a good look. yikes! once again i must also complain abt the writers turning hunter from bratty and sarcastic to the malewife for the girlboss x malewife trope... why did they do this to you king. i will not deny willow becomes a girlboss though, she genuinely changes as a person, but why does she become so over the top aggressive towards hunter specifically, mandhandling him w magic like she does to NOBODY else, and forcing her will on him?? its fucking weird

i need the shippers to die - INSUFFERABLE! FUCK MAN who give a shit whats canon!! fuck off and leave me alone i will ship lunter, willuz, amillow, and huntmity as i please!! why must you harass us! "weh weh luz and hunter have a sibling relationship" if you dont fuck off and leave me alone they are LITERALLY JUST FRIENDS why must everything be nuclear family tropes to you people. do you understand that found family does not mean any ships within that dynamic become incestuous? the entire point is that it is a Found Family which dynamics differ from a traditional familial dynamic!! I Am Going To Wring Your Neck.

better as friends - everyday i think about the ending credits of WAD and willow leading hunter down the hill... how cute would that have been as a friends scene... i wouldnt even have been mad if it was shiptease post canon w zero other shippy content

NO ONE GETS THEM BUT ME!!!! - ohhhhhuuuuhhhhhggggghhh... huntlow i ship you under such specific circumstances...... adult huntlow my dream..........!!!!!!!! LESBIAN BUTCH WILLOW FEMME TGIRL HUNTER HUNTLOW???? GAAAHHHHH

just make ocs atp - re: being ooc as shit in most content. someone please give hunter his anger issues swag back. also im just gonna tangentially complain that I Do Not Like Tboy Hunter. just... puts a hand on the fandom's shoulder. think about how that would work in canon for a minute. why would philip create a grimwalker meant to mimic his brother and then not give it an AMAB body. be so fucking for real right now. i dont wanna hear shit about "what if caleb trans" in a serious argument sense. no he is not it was the 1600s and they were already ostracized from gravesfield upon moving there and became witch hunters to fit in! his ass would have been lynched for being a witch bc "only witches have gender nonconforming properties" was a real and actual thing back then. BE SO FOR REAL!!!!! and i dont wanna hear shit about "well what if hormone changing potions" because ONE hunter has completely different physiology and we do not actually know how potions work on him and TWO are you seriously trying to tell me philip wouldnt scrap a grimwalker with a completely incorrect set of genitalia. ARE YOU REALLY TELLING ME THAT THE WHITE CIS PURITAN MAN -

its too popular - literally i have the tag blocked and its just allllll filtered posts in hunter or willow's tags all the way down

[butwhatifidothis]

it annoys me so much when people say "edel had no other choice" as a thought terminating cliche. like even IF that were true, how one goes about that is still a characterful thing that gets minimized to "so it's not her fault stop being mean to her she just did what she had to". like. does she feel regret? does she apologize ot the people she's hurting? does she view it as righteous? who knows, becuase the argument is only ever used as a "stop being mean to my wife" line and not a character thing.

Yeah cuz like. Okay so let's say that starting the war was absolutely not her fault because xyz circumstance robs her of any substantial say in the matter.

What about using Demonic Beasts? What about her siccing her army and different set of Demonic Beasts on her own "friends" so that she could make more Demonic Beasts? Stealing from a gravesite to do so? What about starving her citizens, and being the only lord TO starve her citizens in their route? What about killing Judith as she ran away from her? Hell, invading the neutral Alliance in the first place? What about helping the Death Knight get away with stealing Flayn if 25 turns pass? What about saying nothing about Kronya even after Solon reveals himself at Remire? What about giving Jeritza a hunting ground to enable his bloodlust and not, like. Professional help?

She couldn't even mention a means she's working on to do anything about her starving citizens? Did she have to blame Claude (and everyone really) not immediately bowing down to her as to why the Alliance was violently invaded, and not her violent invasion being the reason it was violently invaded? What about persecuting Church followers who didn't do shit to anybody, did she have to do that shit too? Never freeing Brigid and instead stationing her men there on her route and sending Hubert there off of it; that was forced on her too? Taking Byleth's credit during the siege instead of letting them get the recognition they deserve - what, just, fate forcing her hand once again?

Are we really going to sit here and say because the war "needed" to happen, Edelgard was forced to do literally all of that (and more)? That because Edelgard was "forced" into war, she was also forced to do literally anything involving the war?

Like you said, her stans saying that she "had no choice" but to start the war does nothing to say anything about her as a character, because they also reject everything else she did regarding her war as having anything to do with her agency. They treat "she had to do this" as a means to protect the moral purity they want her character to have so they don't feel bad rooting for the villain to win, not as something that goes on to mean anything for her.

And I'm not asking for her to save literally every single person ever from any harm ever to prove her care about not going to war exists, I'm asking for LITERALLY ANYTHING. Because she quite literally does nothing to mitigate harm from anybody in this war, and regardless of whether the war was "forced" on her hands or not she absolutely could have done something to make sure her people suffered as minimally as possible. Which damn sure isn't seen in her hiding behind them as she sits in her throne room (a thing Dimitri and Claude absolutely don't do, with either similar or less time to prepare to protect their people). Or starves them, a thing uniquely said about her route (as literally all the other ones have the army go with lacking food supplies). Or allows Thales to conscript them under threat of death. Or openly saying that she thinks weak people would only stay weak after her war because they're "too used to relying on others" - because when her war takes everything away from people, it'd be THEIR fault for staying weak, which is *chef's kiss* so kind and caring amiright guys. Definitely shows off that she understands and/or cares about the ramifications of her war onto the people, and not that she has her head shoved squarely and firmly up her ass.

What does it meaningfully mean for the war to not be Edelgard's fault, if she's not going to do anything to indicate that she cares about other people enough to want to not force war on them? Hell, when she very explicitly shows she doesn't particularly care about how it'd affect people, if it affects people in a way that doesn't align with her beliefs? When she very explicitly says she's perfectly willing to sacrifice her people for her higher cause, and then goes on to sacrifice her people for her higher cause? If she doesn't even try to help others because the war was forced on her, that at best makes her one of powerless victim or uncaring defeatist - neither of which fit the resolute caring ambitious revolutionary they paradoxically also want her to be. So, again, what does it actually mean for the war to not be a result of Edelgard's agency, if she regardless of that still shows callous indifference to those harmed by the war?

It's a question no one who posits this about Edelgard is able to answer, because as you said, it's not meant to be anything more than a shallow defense against her own actions. Letting Edelgard have even the slightest smidgen of agency in her own actions means accepting that she is a massive fucking penis. A huge gaping asshole. A plain ol' jerk. Which again! Is INFINITELY more engaging to watch than this marionette strung along by literally everyone around her into "looking" like a villain, only being her "true" self when she's feeding kittens and dwawing her cwush and burping her googoo gaga babyass girlfriend they also tend to make (f!)Byleth over her shoulder

[samcarter34]

It’s honestly kind of funny that people are using Kieran as an example of why BioWare’s decision is bad when he’s probably the number one example I’d use to argue in favour of it.

There’s a kid who’s the vessel of one of the Draconic Old Gods. A kid who is the human reincarnation of an entity that convinced the Magisters to break into the Fade. A kid powerful enough to override an Eluvian and redirect it to the Fade. And his involvement amounts to nothing because not everyone took that route in a game that came out half a decade prior. Like he should have monumental implications for Thedas, but instead he’s literally so inconsequential that they didn’t even hire a voice actor to portray him; they just let Claudia Black’s son do it.

[boyquiet]

i think that we need to get over the narrative that you can’t have gay villains because that’s a harmful stereotype because there’s a huge difference between “this character is gay and a bad person” and “this character was written specifically to equate being gay and being evil/depraved/degenerate”. it’s just such a narrow minded view of fiction that leads to people afraid to write queer characters as anything less than morally perfect and then to a bunch of palatable but bland and boring queer characters that are arguably worse representation than a gay villain because they are not allowed to do anything wrong. while it is important to write all types of gay characters a work isn’t instantly “problematic” because the villain is queer and the hero isn’t. I think this is also related to the idea of subtext vs text in gay media and how I see a lot of people get mad bc the homoerotic subtext isn’t made canon without considering the context of it at all—sometimes creators make artistic decisions for reasons other than that they didn’t want the gay people to kiss because they’re homophobic. well written queer subtext can be better than a canon gay couple with no personality or relevance and a queer villain can be a better queer character than a gay hero because the characters in-universe morality isn’t inherently tied to how much care they are written with and the quality of “queer representation” isn’t determined by the amount of times they kiss on screen.

[kittydoremi]

gotta follow for the Sonamy slander 🙏🙏🙏🙏 SonElise 🤝🤝 Sonadow Sonamy completely backtracks Amys character development (shows she was always a love interest for Sonic and nothing else) AND makes Sonic completely OOC (why would he fall for her after YEARS of saying no??)

Pretty much

SonElise doesn't need to make Sonic ooc for it to work in 06. You can make the ooc argument for Sonadow in some cases tbh (like in some fanfics and Prime), but at least it's not infuriating like Sonamy is.

But yeah, it would feel like regression for Amy a bit if she just got what she wanted after being so entitled about Sonic's love and chasing him, and acting like a spoiled brat at times in the past (even getting physically violent). It would be similar energy to someone throwing a tantrum until they get what they want.

It would also be ooc for Sonic. Yes he can like someone, but he won't ever truly settle down or be in a committed relationship. He's canonically single and likely to stay that way. Sonamy is marketed heavily, but it's because it's a popular ship. In actual canon Sonic is single and Amy's girlfriend status is self proclaimed

It's clear Sonic and Amy have different ideas of romance, and that Amy desires a certain amount of commitment from him that she just won't ever get from an in character Sonic.

Also recent attempts of idw's shipbait with sonamy have just felt super ooc. Sonic isn't one to casually accept hugs, especially from Amy. Amy makes Sonic uncomfortable. Sonic is nervous by her displays of affection and her glomping him. This has been shown time after time in the games. It's a sudden dynamic change that came out of nowhere and is just there for shipteasing and nothing else.

It would be one thing if how Amy acted in the past was acknowledged and she grew from it, and Sonic grew to be more accepting of her affection, but it just... happened. It feels cheap, like SEGA just wants to completely change Amy's character and her dynamic with Sonic out of the blue.

[daniclaytcn]

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8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

i already answered this, but here's another one: the common opinion that eddie is terrible with his words/expressing himself through words is...just not true. he's literally dropped some of the most exquisite and heartfelt quotes on the show. there's no one in this world i trust with my son more than you. you act like you're expendable, but you're wrong. you're not like any other kid, you're my kid. i love you more than anything in the world. give the man credit!

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[charmac]

than copy-paste my ask w/out the stuff about his acting bc the rest of the stuff i said is still completly valid. i don't get why stans refuse to even admit that their fav is some times a bad person and call them out on their bullshit. you can still like him without ignoring or excusing his shitty behavoir

"not trying to start anything i really want to hear your and other ppls opinions. after seeing that redit video today abt the onset fight combined with other stuff glenn has said and done like the antivax stuff. im starting to really dislike glenn. he acts like a self obsessed tool all the time but so many stans baby him so much that they refuse to see or say anything about it [deleted] but maybe you or others have reasons to stan him pls share bc im clearly missing somthing. i dont want to not like him but hes making it very hard"

(the Reddit video being Rob talking about how Glenn freaked out during the filming of The Gang Saves the Day because he didn't feel comfortable getting "shot" in the scene with Dee killing all of them and threw a tantrum on set)

First of all, I don't think anyone refuses to admit Glenn is anything but perfect, and I also don't think anyone excuses his "shitty behaviour," but while you only may have just become aware of this moment, it was first brought to light in 2017, right before Glenn left the show "for good" and has kinda been hashed to death. If you're genuinely asking 'why is no one talking about Glenn's temper tantrums from 8+ years ago,' idk how to answer that question other than: why would we be? It's just not relevant

We know, from set stories and Glenn himself, that Glenn has gone through many ups and downs on the set of Sunny. He's spoken quite a bit about how his attitude has ruined the vibe and created a lot of tension in the writers room and on set before, and it's something he needed Rob to bring to his attention in Season 11 because he couldn't recognise it harmed other people (and that's what led him to realise he needed to walk away). I think it's not, like, a hidden or dismissed aspect of his personality that he's a diva, even today after righting his attitude and returning, he still tends to "method act" to a degree when he's playing Dennis and comes off a certain way

So yes, he's been "exposed" as a brat on set and a little entitled in general, and he's got some questionable views on health, for sure and I think that can make you dislike him and if that's so...that's fine. I don't think anyone in this fandom cares if you do or don't, honestly, but that works both ways.

People who post about Glenn in fond ways aren't going to disclose that they know he's entitled and centrist every time they post anything about him, but whenever something does happen/come out, people do criticise it in the moment. The Podcast brought a lot to light and it seemed like weekly we were scrutinizing something RCG said but, like, there's genuinely nothing Glenn has done in the past year that the fandom has chosen to ignore for the sake of excusing his shitty behaviour...? Are we supposed to rehash dead and buried RCG drama just because it was reposted to a different platform?

I get if you're just learning about him as a person now it can be weird to see most people who are actively talking about him seem to just be stanning him blindly, but that's really not true. The TASP days are just behind us, and Glenn's PR is very strong with his gay whiskey tour front and center (and you're asking me lol).

As to providing you with reasons for stanning him... just search "Glenn Howerton Interview" on Youtube.. or watch this one .. and if you don't get it, you probably just don't like him and that's fine, lol he'll probably get you eventually if you're around long enough

[citrusai]

weekes saying all that mythal shit is up to interpretation is so weird to me because instead of worrying about leaving all of solas' past up to vague interpretation to (new) players because you're too chickenshit to stand by your established lore you could've focused on ghilan'nain and elgar'nan and who they were and what they became. elgar'nan literally let the other evanuris slay his wife and he watched on, and then he rotted in a prison made by what he referred to as his wife's "lapdog" and second in command general. and what of ghilan'nain? what is their relationship? why is it just the two of them in that prison when there were more evanuris trapped in there? why are they simultaneously this omnipotent threat capable of spawning blight at will but also two dimensional villains chasing their own tails half the game while solas just poses and speaks in his riddles in the fade. also a fragment of mythal is inside of morrigan, does no part of her gaf that her husband is literally terrorizing the world she loves? hello??

[tevanbuckley]

Have you seen the outrage of Lou’s new cameo 🧍🏽‍♀️in it saying people can’t be upset but it definitely feels like the outage is mostly due to them not liking tommy and bucktommy and they’re using this as a thing to support wanting tommy gone. I can’t help but recognize a whole lot of hypocrisy here …

i managed to track down the cameo i assume is the one ppl are talking about (a lot of the links i've seen posted are broken) and the outrage seems very overblown to me.

was "teasing," the best choice of words, probably not, he could've chosen something less ambiguous and made the exact same point, but it's an incredibly bad faith leap of logic to say he thinks tommy did nothing wrong when he also describes tommy's behaviour as toxic, ignorant, and immature in the same video.

at the end of the day it's one sentence in a ~2 minute video, ppl who want to give him the benefit of the doubt will, ppl who already didn't won't.

[synchodai]

Aaaaaaaaaaaah it infuriates me how many times i have to repeat this but the point of a royal succession crisis that leads to a civil war is that there was NO clear heir. The Realm wouldn't have been broken into camps if your argument "uh actually Aegon/Rhaenyra is the clear heir because—" was so indisputable that the other side couldn't justify their claim. The point of Fire and Blood is how the "rightfulness" of an heir is ultimately determined by who has the biggest capacity to inflict violence and scorch the earth, and yet HOTD fans are arguing like medieval peasants who are so monarchy-pilled that they actually believe there's such a thing as a divine right of kings in a series that was written to criticize the divine right of kings.

Imagine having fandom teams over which tribute truly deserves to win the Hunger Games.

[puhpandas]

An angel loses a wing every time I see someone says Gregory would find C.C annoying because he cries. It’s like that cutout of Gregory comforting Cassie means nothing to them, if anything that’s probably the most characteristic trait for him we had in canon game from another persons perspective 😭 Gregory does get snappy I get that but he’s not heartless chat he even gets concerned for Freddy ingame as long as you’re not like a threat to him he’d most likely be chill 😞as long as it isn’t ggy/Rab I mean.

no srsly and like anybody he was hostile towards he had a reason. the glamrocks were literally trying to murder him and were hunting him down for in his eyes no reason. he was snappy towards Freddy bc he was in a majorly stressful dangerous situation that anybody would freak out in let alone a 12yo lmao. it's like every other chance they get they try to portray him as kind fundamentally but nobody focuses on that

[daniclaytcn]

9,10,14 :)

9 & 10 — answered here!

14. that one thing you see in fics all the time

the fucking. lawsuit. please. just let it go. let it die. i'm begging.

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[astronomodome]

COMPLETELY agree with the nonbinary Cleo take. I think that the issue I have with it is that (as far as I'm aware) they haven't personally said anything one way or the other. Plenty of nonbinary people are perfectly ok with gendered terms, and the hermits (whom she's friends with and who she could correct in private easily) seem to use gendered terms fairly liberally, so it's safe to assume they're alright with that!

But I think I just dislike people vehemently arguing, on behalf of people they don't actually personally know, about something as personal as that in general. It just feels parasocial. If Cleo had said anything at all about this I could at least somewhat understand it, but as I said I genuinely haven't seen a statement from Cleo anywhere at all. And they're the only person who has a say on what terms can and cannot be used to refer to them

Exactlyyyy

Plus I made the original post because I saw some people in twitter saying that third life had no women in it and because of that is the worst life series which… idk. I get the point they’re trying to make but that’s kind of Cleo erasure I feel. Maybe not in their minds but…