#dff ep 8 spoiler

[vani-ash]

I support Nons wrongs

[lemon-salad69]

Me and the other non supporters watching him finally snap

[sammylamsu]

After Watching DFF EP 8 I'm listening to this song and crying myself to sleep.

[mikuni14]

Dead Friend Forever - Ep 8

One of the reasons I love DFF so much is the fact that we already have 8 episodes and NONE of them are bad or worse than the previous one, there is no annoying fluctuation or drop in quality. From the first episode, the series maintains a constant, very high level, which is almost unheard of in BL series, or in series in general ✨

DFF has the perfect storytelling for a show about crime and mystery. It is as if we were in a dark room surrounded by vague shapes and with one light source, and with each episode the light gets stronger brings new shapes out of the darkness. In this episode, it was Tee's involvement in Non's disappearance. And also Keng's fate. The crew's behavior at the beginning of the series, their sense of guilt mixed with persistent and aggressive convincing themselves that Non simply disappeared (also - as if it were normal, such a disappearance), and Tee and Top's belief that Non is a ghost (i.e. dead), found a perfect explanation. Because when they see Non for the last time, he is alive. And Tee (and possibly Top because he was there) know more, but not everything. What is clear, however, is the power of delulu in all of them and the creeping, repressed subconscious knowledge that no, Non did not run away with Keng...

My personal comment: while I can objectively consider their shades, greyness, nuances and so on, the fact that they lied to the police without hesitation in Non's case and then everyone preyed and fed on his work and basked in the light of success, eliminates all their "shades". And yes, even Jin showing off his pained face. I'm a fan of PheeJin, but I want to make one thing clear: I'm not interested in his remorse, his or Tee's motivations. I'm interested in the result and how they behaved. I'm interested in their choices. And in the case of these guys, the truth is really clear and out there. It's not about one choice, one mistake. What I mean, an endless SERIES of choices and mistakes ending with Non's disappearance, who no one knows where he is, doesn't go to school, is with some shady adult, doesn't live a normal teenager's life. The way THEY ALL LIVE.

Non's relationship with his parents was amazingly presented, as well as the accusations about which one of them was responsible for his sexuality, which is such a rl experience. It's also telling, that neither of his parents asked him how you were feeling? Do you need help? No, they just made it all about themselves, thought that the teenage child, THEIR CHILD, just did it on its own, probably to spite them. And they immediately compared him to his brother who "would never do something like that." Also Non's mental breakdown, his manic episode, but also how he didn't get rid of his old habits, his gullibility, because he gave in to Tee very easily and drank water from him. This is all very credible. Barcode played phenomenally in this episode, his sobs, screams, laughter, the way he flinches when someone says something to him or touches him. Amazing.

Por is happy with himself and his success and then his father's words "My help in this is not in vain" bring him back to reality. I love his reaction to it, how all his satisfaction disappears. I wonder how many times Por realized that he was just an extension of his father's political career. And that he will never do anything on his own, whatever success he has will always be the work of others, his mother, his father even fucking Greasy. Even Tee said that if it weren't for Por's father, this movie would never have been made.

SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE PREVIEW OF THE NEXT EPISODE: It seems strange to me that Phee and Tan spent 3 years investigating Non's disapperance, being friends with his bullies and, in Phee's case, sleeping with his potential bully. And only on this trip did they finally decide to uncover Non's fate (I tend to believe that Phee and Tan are not murderers and are conducting a psychological war with these boys, and the murderer acts independently of them). I don't question the fact that it was difficult to get anything out of them, because it was obvious that no one would want to talk about their involvement in something like that (which is why I believe that Phee and Tan came up with a plan to scare them and get information out of them). The only thing that worries me is time. 3 years in the company of your loved one's/ your brother's bullies is A LOT and a very heavy mental burden to bear. But I believe in this series and I know it will explain everything 😍

[dawnthesheep]

Okay so I was just rewatching the DFF trailer...

*warning spoilers for beyond ep 8*

Idk if this has been said before but there's a clip of White attacking Tee???

LIKE???! THAT'S MY BOY THANK YOU

I know White was gonna become more significant but this is so exciting and I can't wait to see how the rest of this *chef's kiss* show goes down.

White final girl really could be come true y'all I'M SO HYPED

[feuqueerfire]

4 Minutes Ep 7 Rewatch + Ep 8 Live Blogging

The very last week of this show, woah. Very curious and nervous how they'll wrap it up. By the end of KinnPorsche I was so over it but I really liked DFF ending (last 10 minutes not withstanding and even then I chose to believe in the more bleak possibility), so I hope this one ends in a good way. Not in the sense that it's a happy ending but rather a suitable ending.

Ep 7 Rewatch (Sep 12)

As usual, when I watched in last Friday, I watched the regular version that's ~2 minutes shorter + was watching it on my phone + it was on the bus with the sun shining so I couldn't see the screen properly. So here's me watching it again on my laptop full-screen.

Saw a post about how Tonkla's cat appears whenever he's thinking of kill, oh man

if you can't come out, you're probably just stuck in the fake world while you're dead in the real one

lol I do find Lukwa and Den so cute

Also Den in general has such a cute face I hope he's also in whatever show BOC has next

oof, seeing the grandma get shot and die through the screen

little Great and Tyme knowing each other is cute but it doesn't actually make me feel much about their current relationship, you know?

I find it interesting that Tyme's parents had the gambling dens + they were being investigated. Although it doesn't mean they should've been murdered, they weren't innocent either

Ep 8 (Sep 13)

Couldn’t watch during lunch break but I ended up going on Twitter a few times and got spoilers such as Fuaiz dying in two series lol and Fuaiz-JJay having similar endings here and DFF apparently.

My headphones are glitching so I can only watch it when holding in a certain way but at least now I downloaded the episode with data and so can also watch when on the subway

Also it's Friday the 13th and that's fitting somehow.

Tyme sees the same 11pm thing like Great. I wonder if he’s gonna remember somehow

Tyme initiates the break up with Nutcha this time

hm the Great and Tyme meeting is completely different. Great seeks Tyme out as a doctor Why? Does he know something? which timeline is he from? does Tyme get flashbacks of himself and Great the way Great got them?

or is it just that this Great is made up in Tyme’s mind and so it doesn’t align? but like idk why Tyme specifically would be hung up romantically over Great

oh is this Why Don't You Stay by Jeff Satur? lol

Tyme’s time went by really fast lol and it was mostly just him and Great hanging out. i thought something more would happen

Korn bringing love into it like what’s that got to do with anything lol

lol Win your little infatuation is a murderer and is being helped to escape by his bf that he was cheating on with you. and he’s probably the paring his gun hm when ppl were drawing parallels did that include Tee being the one who killed White

also funny that Korn’s finally giving Tonkla some attention but he’s the reason Great was shot

The Win-Tonkla-Korn confrontation is insane with the amount of cheating + murderous secrets between them lol. Korn and Tonkla cheated on each other + Korn’s brother helped kill/get rid of Tonkla’s brother so Tonkla shot Korn’s brother

there’s too much sunlight on the bus, i’ve gotta see the screen better

damn, Win really shot Tonkla just like that. useless ass cop, couldn't do shit for Dome but can kill Tonkla just like that

oh Korn’s secret yearning to run away together and abandon his station. ig he really loved Tonkla lol or at least that combined with having nothing n left in this business thus killing himself. I was rooting for Tonkla to kill Korn with his shitty behaviour towards him and was like aw he died before killing Korn but in a way, he’s the reason Korn’s killing himself

the shot of Tonkla Korn lying in the bed and then in the same position dead on the ground is soooo good

I wish Tonkla hadn't just unceremoniously fallen dead immediately after the shot. I wish he was still alive when Korn was cradling him and either said something or had a vision like Korn did or something

also I'm glad that Korn knew everything Tonkla did and still decided to kill himself, like he did it despite knowing it all, he didn't have an incorrect view of Tonkla.

now what is going on in this real life timeline. Tyme mourning his grandma makes sense but Great is beside him hmm ig they both woke up? I remember Great waking up but that was the weird scene where he was shot in the 4 minutes timeline with the assassin shooting him and his mom

also does Great know that Tonkla shot him? he must, right? but he’s like okkkk let’s forgive and forget be happy in the afterlife in love?

i don’t understand Great and Tyme’s relationship (well maybe it’s more understandable after the 4 minutes timelines) but I do get Lukwa/Den lol how cuteee

ohhh the room that Lukwa and Great met at was an art exhibition! I love this actually because I was like ?? if they met in their consciousness, but also I’ve been going to art exhibitions and museums lately and have enjoyed a few of the video art rooms like this, so it feels like great timing for me bc I wouldn’t have had this experience if this show had come out a few months ago. And this art exhibit touched them so deeply and thoroughly that they internalized it for when they went through literally live and death experiences

but who is this ominous woman who did the presentation? it really as if she granted them those 4 minutes lol (though Korn went through the same thing without seeing the exhibit)

wild that Great literally just left while Lukwa was dying lol but it wouldn’t even be his second most egregious crime in that timeline

girl i wanna head Great and Tyme talk a bit more about their experience!! what do they remember etc

oh those angel wings behind Great hm

Tyme is still working on his parents murder also what happened to the woman who Korn called who Warit Id assume also killed?

I read that Bible was dissatisfied with some sort of choice (?) in the final episode and it wasn't to his liking and I wonder if it's this money and bringing parents back thing? but he chose to be a better person so idk like idk what other choice Great has made this episode

girl who is Wanchai? Korn? who is Warit it’s Fahsai’s dad who killed Tyme’s parents and shot Tyme right?

is the person who Korn called the same person who beat the shit out of Warit after Korn died?

ooh murderer Tyme. Took a page out of Tonkla’s book

agh he didn’t even kill Warit. fine i guess, shouldn’t get found out and lose your medical license and be charged for murder etc. It’s not like Tonkla’s story is anything to aspire to.

yknow there are multiple series where it feels like i’ve seen this sort of “villain ends up in hospital and instead of killing people are gleeful at them being stuck in bed and needing help for all bodily functions” and like yknow pretty much all of us will end up there someday. those who are disabled aren’t being punished

ohh maybe it’s this decision? Great turning himself in for Dome’s death. but what about that woman's death from the hit and run

pls not them faking out "oh maybe this is fake in your mind" smhh At least when DFF did the fakeout escape, it made a more compelling "oh they're actually all still stuck in that house" interpretation even though they were too cowardly to actually show that. doing the opposite where they tease a more compelling ending while the actual ending is unearned is like what...

Last episode thoughts:

I think it focused on the wrong things, specifically when it came to Great and Tyme. What was the point of Tyme's 4 minutes trip? Nothing happened except he also in his fake timeline fell in love with Great for some reason. From my tags on a post: Maybe we can convince ourselves that great was lonely and was just looking for somebody to care about him and decided to latch onto tyme in his dying moments thus his 4 minutes romance. but what was tyme's 4 minutes even about?! why did he spend all of it falling in love with great in it?!?!?! and what was the point of it fr like his timeline did nothing affected nothing. great could've just woken up when real life tyme was calling him on the hospital bed if we Needed to have tyme wake great. in Triage when the other guy was in the loop there was a very clear purpose and mission and it aligned with the story, he had to save the doctor this time. i thought us getting to see tyme go into his own timeline at the very end would lead to something like that, whether it be uncovering some mysteries, figuring out the mechanics of this phenomena, or what. But instead he just went on fakes dates with Great.

And then once they woke up, it didn't focus on their recovery or them meeting each other again or the 4-minutes phenomena at all. We didn't even really see Great wake up, we saw his alternate self wake up. Why didn't we see Great and Tyme finding each other in the real world where they have a very broken not-even-friendship and how to reconcile the real person with who they each had in their head (because it's not truly the other person in their head) - unless we were maybe supposed to think it was because of the river incident where Great drove to the river even though he didn't know it was there in his dream timeline.

Are we just assuming that the timelines are all fake and doesn't affect the real timeline, thus no explanation or discussion of it necessary? but then why are Great and Tyme's relationship not explored at all outside of their fake ones aghhh.

man, why did they not actually explore any of the things that the story started on in this finale.

I liked the Tonkla-Korn-Win showdown because it's delicious to have to confront everything at once, nowhere to hide and so many secrets come spilling out. Korn is an asshole and Tonkla should've killed him but he technically did do that because Tonkla dying lead to Korn killing himself. Win is such a dumb bitch, how did he get to just continue living life normally and continue with his job? How wasn't he investigated or in agony at what he's done (the way Tee from DFF was)? And why did we not have a conclusion to the corruption of cops and how they have impunity and get away with anything the way we had started off but now Win's just a good cop and that's that? And Tonkla died so... unceremoniously. Man :( Also despite my dislike for Korn, I think Korn/Tonkla is really compelling and it's like woah when we realize that Korn actually loved Tonkla even though his priorities were whack by the end and him persistently trying to have sex with Tonkla that one time was scary. It's like Korn might "love" Tonkla but he's still not... good at love him and he's not a kind/good person even though he maybe loved Tonkla. idkidk I enjoy a good tragedy.

Actually I also wish we got some more of Tonkla POV in this episode rather than just through Korn's eyes.

There was a post that was like this is like GMMTV ending and I agree, they went with the the easiest, most non-sensical romantic route despite it not suiting the story but gotta make it all romantic because it's BL/GL. smh.

I dont mind that Great and Tyme both woke up instead of a “Great went through this whole thing in his mind and nothing changed and he dies” because although I can enjoy a bleak/tragic ending, I don’t know necessarily that that’s the only suitable ending my for the story. like if it was even more character focused and focused mostly on Great and his character development on his deathbed, then maybe but we had many characters and like mystery and suspense with the business and Tonkla stuff so I feel like tragedy isn’t the only viable solution. so it's not that I wanted a tragic ending for them but right now... it still doesn't feel like the earlier fake-timeline eps actually did anything??? like it's not real to me. I know Sammon said in Twitter that apparently it's an alternate timeline that affects the real one but uh, not according to the show.

Overall:

It's a shame that the last episode was not very good and it didn't tie up things well or do anything meaningful with the 7 episodes that came before it because I quite enjoyed 7/8 eps of the show and even enjoyed the Tonkla portion of the story. I enjoyed the characters (and how terrible they were) and what I thought was going on. It was a good Friday watch + I liked it even more when I binge rewatched eps 1 - 6 and was anticipating the show even more. And yet, it feels like they didn't explore the themes and potential of the storylines enough, especially the whole 4 minutes thing. It's fine, I don't hate the show and really liked most of the show but it feels like the last ep took the wind out of it.

Overall: 6.5/10 - a rating that hurts me because it was one of my most anticipated and for so long too.

[leconcombrerit]

Okay, went through the spoilers that our bravest soldiers here brought us back from hell and I will once again not watch this week's episode. No hate on the series here though.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds as emotional and heart wrenching as everything we got since what, ep 5 ? But I only loved it so far (I mean as far as I got, which is the lousy score of ep 8) because I had hope. Not necessarily of Non being alive at first, although that theory grew on me over time, but at least of him getting... Justice ? Revenge ? I wanted him to at least have mattered so, so much. I know, I'm a bit naive, but I can't help it.

Things did somehow go that way with New. My baby boy New. But I'm not sure, as in 'pretty convinced otherwise', that he will get his way. One, because he's pinned against Phee and Phee is, all my hopeful theories be damned, a hero. He embodies the usual 'we need to move on, Non would want us to', and all I have to say is that what Non would have wanted doesn't fucking matter if he's dead. Nada. Nothing. And that he might have wanted some people dead anyway. Two, as I mentioned in another post, characters like New and Non who've hit rock bottom virtually never get to heal in fiction and only reach peace through death, if at all. Same as characters like Tee only achieve peace and redemption through romantic love.

Then it did become about Non being alive, and getting what he wanted, whatever that might have been. Mass slaughter, chaos, escaping to sip mojitos under the sun, whatever, really. No, it wouldn't be realistic ; also no, I don't give a damn. Victims and mentally ill people suffer and die, people who lost everything never get them back, people grieve a while and move on, it's bleak, it's sad, that's the way of the world, I know. But.

I know some will argue that I should have expected it, but I got invested before I could really expect shit.

I'm not saying the decisions are bad (except some gaping plot holes and plot armors made out of the sturdiest scenarium) ; they work, the series work, it's fine. It will probably end up not being for me is all. I don't want to stick to funny romcoms either, I just want a harsh series that gives me hope without surrounding it with cheesy butterflies fluttering their wings in the most forced and unsatisfactory way. DFF seems to have pinned dead butterflies on it though. I want a middle ground.

They could still throw a twist in episode 12, but I don't think it's very likely since they also have to wrap things up nicely. There's enough of a mess to clean up as is (I mean the mess they're in, not the show). I'll read whatever you folks will post about ep 12 next week since I need closure either way, but yeah. I mayhaps shouldn't have watched it. Guess we'll see in seven days. Or you'll see, I'll peek over your shoulder like a goblin.

[destielfanfic]

I don't get why people are so upset. I mean Crowley's character has been stagnant for a while and though I loved him (and Mark more so) where else could his chara go? While Luci ( and his arc) has been wildly OOC and awful, most the eps of 12 have been better than 9-11, and an AU world to explore has SO MANY possibilities! Yeah Cas died, but we all know he's not staying dead. I've not been excited for a premier since 1-5 and I can honestly say I am looking forward to 13

about this post

Some people are excited about S13 and some people are devastated. Both are valid and we can agree to disagree as long as it is done respectfully. That said, your post struck a chord because we are seeing “Yeah Cas died, but” and “SO MANY possibilities [in S13]”, going hand-in-hand with the idea that being negative about S12/13 is somehow wrong or misguided and must be corrected. 

The DFF mods are with the OP and many other Cas fans who have strong negative feelings about the S12 finale. Those feelings are valid. The list of reasons to not trust SPN writers to skillfully deal with the fallout of the S12 finale is as long, if not longer than the list of all the positive possibilities. We know, we’ve kept receipts.  And so we shared OP’s ask, empathized (“Friend, we feel ya”), and provided some links to feel good posts.

We are aware that there are folks like yourself excited about S12/13 and that’s cool. Be Free to Squee on your blog!!! But what we are also seeing in some corners of fandom that is not cool is dismissing the feelings of those who don’t agree with them or schooling them on how they should feel. Through the years Cas fans have had to deal with their feelings and love for this character being dismissed, disregarded and belittled by different fractions of SPN fandom. So when Castiel Angel of Thursday, with the crack in his chassis and too much heart gets stabbed in the back and is left lying in the dirt in the final moments of the finale, listing all the reasons to be happy really doesn’t help. 

Remember, a little compassion goes a long way. 

But since you and so many other fans have said “ Yeah Cas died, but we all know he’s not staying dead.” here’s a short list of some other times when fandom said “Cas/Misha will be fine!” and TPTB answered with “What show are you watching?” 

Heavy spoilers for seasons 7-12 and season 13 speculation under the cut

Unlike Dean and Sam fans, Cas fans get only some 10+ episodes per season and we never know when Cas will be on the show. If you include hiatus breaks, Cas fans can go for a very long time without knowing what’s up with our favorite angel. And very often we want to believe that the show will give Cas exciting story line but well… 

- Remember when after the season 6 finale fans thought that Cas would be fine in season 7 and couldn’t believe that 7x02 was his final scene? It is pretty much acknowledged now that it was supposed to be permanent death.

- Remember when after season 8 finale so many fans hoped that human Cas would settle in the bunker and we would  get our TFW episodes just like 8x08? That post-8.23 hiatus was full of excitement and discussions about human Cas in the bunker. Fic writers and fanartists came together as a group to write The Pillow Verse, reflecting the anticipation for human!cas.  After so many years of being told that angel Cas is too powerful to be around Winchesters all the time, finally he was human! Instead, 9x03 happened and we just had to swallow the “Cas is having meaningless hetero sex” pill followed by the “noncon/dubcon” reveal. Remember thinking, well at least he is now safe in the bunker? That lasted one commercial break. 

- Remember when after the season 9 finale fans speculated about confrontation between angel Cas and demon Dean and how great it would be? It all came down to two short scenes in 10x03 after which Cas left bunker. Again.

- Remember when the show promoted the 200th episode (10x05) and nobody even doubted that Misha will be included? Fans had to ask CW PR person directly to confirm that no, Misha won’t be in this tribute to fandom episode, but “Cas” would. 

- Remember when fans believed that saving Dean from Mark of Cain in season 10 will showcase Cas’ importance? Angel grace was in the title card for crying out loud?! We just have to watch all Cas-less episodes and then, in the finale, Cas will save Dean! Instead we got allusions to Dean and Crowley’s summer of love and Dean beating the crap out of Cas in 10x22. In 10x23, Cas was discarded by both Winchesters and left in a ditch like a mad dog, literally. That hiatus broke a lot of Cas fans.

- Remember when Cas fans were ridiculed for doubting that he would be part of the S11 mid-season finale? Well. He wasn’t. Just as he wasn’t important in myth arc heavy episodes before season 12 finale. 

- Remember when S11 led us to believe that Cas’ depression would be finally addressed, and that Dean and Sam would save him from Lucifer? Yup, didn’t happen, Cas was expendable after all.

- Remember when so many Cas fans were concerned about Cas fate in the S12 finale and yet their concern was dismissed by elements in the destiel fandom itself? Looking back at S12, it is painfully clear how well Cas’ death was foreshadowed. And yet, Cas fans were called silly or scolded about being too negative. 

And now, after the season 12 finale and NINE years on the show, we can’t even celebrate Misha’s 100th episode (12x23) because we just don’t want to think about it. Here’s couple of Cas 100 episodes gif sets without Cas’ final scene (x, x). Yes, that’s an important factor for us when reblogging gif sets.

So, no, as we’re writing this post, June, 2017, we do not know if, when, for how long and in what capacity Cas/Misha will be back on the show. We know that Misha is involved with episode 13x16. That’s it. Will our Cas be back in 13x01 or in 13x17 or only for hot five minutes in 13x23? Will it all be flashbacks? It may not matter to other fans, but to us it makes a tremendous difference. And it makes for a very stressful hiatus.

And even if Cas/Misha will be back sooner rather than later, there’s plenty of ways a TV show can bring back a character and its actor and still screw over fans. Just remember Cordelia Chase from Angel TS, season 4 or how the TV show Fringe handled the doppelganger story of their main character. Heck, ask how Sam fans liked watching the soulless Sam story line in real time.

So, for the last time, please don’t dismiss, shame or make light of Cas fans feelings of distress and devastation because “he surely will be back pfff” or “the show is about Sam and Dean!”, or because “nobody is really dead on SPN” (yeah, lol, tell that to Jo, Ellen, Kevin, Benny and Charlie). Believe us, we KNOW that Cas is not a major character on the show. And that is exactly why we are afraid of his mistreatment. 

Until 13x01 arrives, we have to go on with his final scene etched in our eyes. If you love the show because it evokes strong emotions, then respect those emotions even if you don’t share them.

This is the only post DFF is making about S13 speculations, if you want to talk more, flyingcatstiel’s ask box is open.  We’ll talk in October about S13 and where we go from there.

[lemon-salad69]

Praying for this to be the final outcome

[mousydentist]

a humble addition shjdhdjd

thanks @end0rphincf for the idea

Praying for this to be the final outcome