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vdlinde Ā· 7 months ago
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DUTCH VAN DER LINDE. _THE OUTLAW.
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leader and co-founder of the van der linde gang, dutch advocates freedom and rebellion to the members of his bunch. notorious conman as well as bank and train robber, he pursues economical self - reliance and stands against the advancement of progress.
RELATIONSHIPS: hosea matthews _right hand man, partner in crime. annabelle _love interest ( deceased ), arthur morgan _adopted son, trusted advisor, john marston adopted son, protƩgƩ, susan grimshaw _former lover, close friend, molly o'shea _lover.
_PISCES. _THE FISH. _ENFJ. _THE PROTAGONIST. _CHAOTIC NEUTRAL.
strengths: reliable, passionate, bold, charismatic & inspiring, altruistic. weaknesses: overly idealistic, condescending, intense, unrealistic.
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splat-dragon Ā· 5 years ago
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Prompt by @Cybermentalitysublime
Prompt: John's still sorting out his complicated feeling about Dutch after Micah's death when he drunkenly asks Charles how he thinks Arthur died (Charles having been the one who buried him, of course).
Fueled either by liquid courage or just no longer able to contain himself, he blurted out ā€œHow do you think Arthur died?ā€
John hadnā€™t stopped staring at him, and he knew there was no way heā€™d be walking away without giving an answer. The thing was, though, he didnā€™t know. It had taken him a day to get to Beaver Hollow, and Arthur had been long dead by then. He hadnā€™t been there to see him bleed, or collapse, or breathe his last, only to collect his body with Miss Grimshawā€™s and bury it.
Something was eating at John, anyone could see it.
Ā Even Charles, light-headed with the pain medicine Abigail had forced down his throat, could tell. He wasnā€™t one to pry, though, so he sat at the campfire with the man, staring into the flames and waiting for him to speak.
Ā That was the thing about him. People seemed to feel as though they could bare their souls to him; perhaps it was because he didnā€™t talk much. Or that he just listened, let them talk without feeling the need to give advice in turn unless they asked for it. Heā€™d dare say that half the people in the gang had used him as a sounding board at least once, and even more than that had told the air their problems without realizing that he was there.
Ā Sadie, Tilly, Mary-Beth, even Arthur, all of them had talked to him, sitting by the fire or leaning against a tree or rock, sprawling by the lake in Clemens Point or, when it came to Arthur, riding with him as they went to help Eagle Flies.
Ā And Arthur had hurt. He had known that he was sick, how the others had missed it he would never know. His gaunt face, the way his clothes hung off him where once they clung to him as though a second skin, the rattling coughs that sometimes kept him up at night. But having it confirmed (ā€œI didnā€™t tell you before but, I saw a doctor. Itā€™s pretty bad, and itā€™s gonna get worse.ā€ ) had burned, knowing that there was nothing he could do, that even if he had been able to get Arthur out, he would have been made to watch him waste away. He had known he was sick, but to know he was dying in front of him had hit him harder than heā€™d expected.
Ā John never had, though, so he supposed it was his turn.
Of all the members of the gang, heā€™d never been able to figure John out.
Ā Not for lack of trying, though. It was no secret that he and Arthur had butted heads more often than not, but heā€™d been able to tell theyā€™d grown closer towards the end. He could see John splitting away, and had expected him to be one of the ones who would cut and run when theyā€™d started to, join Trelawney and Uncle and the women when they up and left, but he hadnā€™t. Heā€™d left with the Wapiti before things had truly gone wrong, before Dutch had left him to die, but John had caught him up on the happenings while they worked on the Hope.
Ā He still didnā€™t understand John, not completely, but theyā€™d become, heā€™d dare to say, friends over the last few months, so he sat, and passed a bottle of rum between himself and John, sipping at it where John gulped it down. His head already felt stuffed with cotton from whatever Abigail had given him, and with Sadie down recuperating, and John already well on his way to drunk, they needed someone sober enough to fire a gun with some sort of accuracy.
If he was to guess, though, heā€™d say it had to do with Dutch.
Ā Sadie had told him, before Abigail had shoved the needle in her arm (and Sadie had fought like a cornered wolf, she had not wanted anything to do with a painkiller or sedative but as bullheaded as Sadie was Abigail was even more so), that theyā€™d met Dutch up there on the mountain, walking out of Micahā€™s cabin. Heā€™d said that heā€™d been there to kill Micah, too (ā€œSame as you, I suppose,ā€ heā€™d said according to her, though why heā€™d been in Micahā€™s cabin if that was why Charles couldnā€™t say, and Sadie had also said that Micahā€™d said that Dutch and he were ā€œteaming up once more,ā€ which made a hell of a lot more sense to him), and though he didnā€™t know everything he knew that Dutch used to mean a lot to John. That before heā€™d joined the gang, a long, long time ago, Dutch had been like Johnā€™s father, that heā€™d raised him, had raised Arthur, too, and though in the end Dutch had betrayed him, betrayed all of them, left John to die, gotten Hosea (whoā€™d also raised them, heā€™d been told, and he could see it a lot easier than he could see Dutch playing father) and Sean and Kieran and Arthur and all the others killed. His mother had been taken when he was young, and his father had fallen to the drink, but he couldnā€™t imagine how John felt, having your father fall so far and then running into him again years later.
He took another swig of the bottle, some Guarma Rum that John had found in Uncleā€™s stash and brought out to the campfire, before passing it over to John. The man tilted his head back, gulping down what remained, more of it pouring out the corners of his mouth to soak his shirt than going down his throat.
Ā And then, fueled either by liquid courage or just no longer able to contain himself, he blurted out ā€œHow do you think Arthur died?ā€
Ā Charles would have to admit it took him somewhat by surprise, and he turned to look at John, taking a moment to compose himself. Even now, years later, though the pain had dulled, Arthurā€™s loss was still a wound in his chestā€”heā€™d never been one to get close to others, but Arthur was one of the few good men he had known, although heā€™d have denied it to his dying day, and having his death brought up so abruptly tugged painfully at that wound, made scar-tissue that heā€™d thought long-healed throb and remind him of its existence.
Ā ā€œYou, you buried him.ā€ John slurred, eyes somehow focused yet glassy all the same, and Charles felt like he was being stared through, as though John was staring at him so fierce heā€™d be able to see Arthurā€™s death through him. ā€œYou told me so. Soā€¦ you saw him, after he, after he passed.ā€ and he had, of course he had. A day or so later, when heā€™d seen the news of ā€˜the end of the Van Der Linde gangā€™ in the newspaper, all the way up in South Dakota, not yet having reached Canada, and he was glad for it as heā€™d never have known if they had. Heā€™d ridden Taima hard to come back, heā€™d had to see with his own eyes if it were trueā€”some part of him knew that it was, the photo in the article was of Arthurā€™s wagon burning, but heā€™d needed to see it with his own two eyes, know who was dead and who had survived.
Ā He hadnā€™t been surprised, per say, to see the news. Even Arthur, staunch supporter of Dutch he had been, had admitted that the Gang was just about done. Had even tried to come with him, to leave everything behind to help escort the Wapiti to safety. But he hadnā€™t expected that it would be the Pinkertons that would end them. He had been certain that it would be Dutch himself, in his ego-driven insanity, that would destroy them. Would put a bullet between their eyes, or get them caught and be the cause of the nooses that snapped taut around their necks.
John hadnā€™t stopped staring at him, and he knew there was no way heā€™d be walking away without giving an answer. The thing was, though, he didnā€™t know. It had taken him a day to get to Beaver Hollow, and Arthur had been long dead by then. He hadnā€™t been there to see him bleed, or collapse, or breathe his last, only to collect his body with Miss Grimshawā€™s and bury it.
Ā ā€œIā€™m not sure,ā€Ā  he finally settled on, and he could see John puff up like an angry kitten, in a way that might have been scary if he wasnā€™t two sheets to the wind.
Ā ā€œHow do you think, then? Iā€¦ I need toā€¦ā€ his voice faltered, and he shook his head, looking very confused when he tried to sup from the rum only to find it empty, ā€œI justā€¦ want to know.ā€
Ā John had told him, once, and only once, looking sad and pitiful and half drunk then, too, about the last time heā€™d seen Arthur. His brother, gaunt and dying, face void of any color, eyes bloodshot and looking so, so tired. Heā€™d told him to run, that heā€™d ā€œhold them offā€Ā  and to ā€œget the hell out of here and be a goddamn manā€Ā  and then, Charles had known, then, that he was only talking because he was drunk, and John wouldnā€™t look him in the eye for a week after, John had admitted that heā€™d told him ā€œYouā€™re my brother,ā€ and Arthur had said ā€œI know.ā€
Ā And looking at John, now, it didnā€™t escape him that John looked horribly guilty. Arthur had gone up on that mountain to draw Pinkerton's attention away from him, and never came back down. It wasn't Johnā€™s fault, and Arthur had insisted on it, would never have gotten off that mountain either way from the sound of it, (John had told him that Arthur had said so, that heā€™d apparently thought that ā€œWe ainā€™t both gonna make it,ā€ )
He remembered riding into Beaver Hollow, the smell of smoke still cloying in the air. The corpses of the Pinkertons had been gathered, though he could see where they had lain, the dirt disturbed and dark with their blood, and their blood stained his footprints as he dismounted and walked into the center of the clearing, hand on the grip of his gun just in case.
Ā It was hard to reconcile this with his camp. The one where heā€™d sat to the side, relaxing as the others sang along to whatever Javier was playing on the guitar. Keeping an eye on Jack as he ran around, chasing Cain or trying to catch some bug or the other, watching them dance around, tripping over their feet as Dutch hurried to grab Molly after putting on that ridiculous gramophone of his.
Ā The one where theyā€™d slowly separated, Micahā€™s group staying off to their side, while ā€˜Arthurā€™sā€™ (though at the time they hadnā€™t thought of themselves as that) kept to themselves. Sitting awkwardly together when Dutch explained his ā€˜planā€™, Micah standing behind him and grinning. The camp where heā€™d watched Arthur wither away, where heā€™d watched them mourn, had mourned in turn, where heā€™d tried to keep them together before giving up, keeping them fed and little else as he turned his attentions elsewhere.
Ā The wagons and tents had been left to burn and fall apart, crumpling in on themselves. Tarps, little more than shreds of leather, clung desperately to their frames, shattered, burnt wood standing tall like so many ghastly grave-markers. Glass had crunched beneath his boots as he walked, and heā€™d looked to see a photograph beneath his boot, picking it up carefully. The glass was coated so thickly with dirt and ash and he hadnā€™t known what else, and heā€™d been grateful for his gloves as he wiped it clean, staring at the photograph.
Ā It was one of Dutch, Hosea and Arthur, when they were all young. Before everything went wrong, when it was just the three of them, before John, before Susan even, and it was strange to look back into their past when he was walking into the corpse of their fall.
Ā Heā€™d broken the glass, the imprint of his boot clear in the shattering of it. Theyā€™d been sat Hosea, Dutch, then Arthur, with Dutch standing between them, and his boot had landed just so, the glass splitting to put a vaguely V-shaped crack that ran between Dutch and the other two, separating Dutch from them. Ice had settled low in his stomach, at the sight, and heā€™d shoved the picture into his satchel, not sure what heā€™d do with it later, but not wanting to leave it behind.
Ā (Heā€™d lost it, some street rat stealing that satchel while he was brawling as the White Wolf in Saint Denis, and had never forgiven himself for it)
Ā Charlesā€™ eyes had been drawn, somehow, to a particular tent, collapsed in an odd way, he thought it was Pearsonsā€™ but the camp had been scattered, thrown about and it was hard to tell whose from whose, but it was about in the spot where the mess wagon had been. The tarp had been bulging up in an odd way, too long and unnatural to be just an odd way of settling, and for a moment he had hoped thought that, maybe, it had been a horse. One of the smaller ones, the spares kept around camp in case they had to hurry, or bring one of the girls along or one of the horses needed to rest. But the shape wasnā€™t right, and it was too small for even the smallest of their horses, for even the Count, and so he had hoped thought that, maybe, it had been a fallen Pinkerton, one that had been missed in the mess.
But some part of him had known, even as he approached, reaching out with his gun to carefully move the tarp aside. The body had begun to rot, smelled of it, but was still whole, hadnā€™t turned colors or fallen apart, yet. Heā€™d known from the moment heā€™d seen the dress, too elegant for a gang such as theirs, black turned brown with long dried blood, a tired face relaxed in death, graying hair loosed from its pompadour, shotgun not far from her hands.
Ā He hadnā€™t expected the grief that had struck him as heā€™d looked upon the body of Susan Grimshaw; theyā€™d never been close, but heā€™d never been particularly close with any of the Van der Linde gang, bar a few. But sheā€™d been one of the good ones, as good as any of them had been, cared deeply about all of the gang members even if sheā€™d been harsh in her way of showing it, and he was sorry for her death.
Ā So when he picked her up, he was careful, as gentle as he could be, cradling her as he carried her over to Taima, settling her gently on her rump. She deserved better than to be slung over his horse like some bounty, but he hadnā€™t brought a wagon or any other way to carry a corpse, so all he could do was tie her down and hope heā€™d find somewhere close by to bury her.
Ā And then, as a passing thought, heā€™d grabbed her shotgun and tied it to Taimaā€™s saddle as well to bury her with.
Why heā€™d kept looking, he couldnā€™t say. Maybe it was because he could see that there had been so many Pinkertons, there was no way that, with how few the gang had been reduced to, theyā€™d only lose one. And the tracks were obvious, leading deeper and deeper into the cave, splattered here in there with familiar amounts of blood that had set dread deep into his stomach, and heā€™d known where that ladder let out, grabbed Taima and ridden her up to it, found the tracks easily as they switched from boot- to hoof-prints, walking Taima slowly as he followed them.
Ā It hadnā€™t taken him to find Arthurā€™s horse and Old Boy.
Ā Arthur had loved that horse, and there it had been, splayed out on the grass, half eaten away by scavengers. If it werenā€™t for that saddle, he might not have recognized it, its fur dulled in death, white bones gleaming where skin and hide had been eaten away. Old Boy had been more recognizable, his brown hide only barely darker, lighter mane splayed out on the grass, side torn into, and heā€™d wanted to bury them but they were both larger and heavier than Taima, and the ground around there was barely suitable for burying a human, was far too rocky to build a grave for a horse, so heā€™d been made to leave them behind to be picked clean by scavengers, and heā€™d thought that, maybe, he could return some day and retrieve their skulls.
Ā He never had.
The ground had gotten rockier and rockier not long after, an incline that Taima, sure-footed as she was, had begun to struggle with, skidding and stumbling. So heā€™d left her behind, wrapped her reins around her saddle-horn, trusting her to come when he called, not wanting to tie her downā€”they were in cougar country, and with a corpse on her back sheā€™d be nothing more than a delicious meal if he did.
Ā The tracks had been harder to follow as the ground grew rockier and rockier, but heā€™d been able to follow them in the dust, disturbed as it was by their boots, darkened with small sprays of blood. There came a point where it had split, and it had taken him a time to follow itā€”he wouldnā€™t have known if the tracks that kept going hadnā€™t clearly belonged to one man, and there was no sign of the other falling. Finally, though, he had been able to find the tracks of the other, climbing up a sharp incline, and had followed thatā€”the otherā€™s tracks would be easier to pick up, and the one climbing up was splattered with blood, and something had bid him to follow.
Heā€™d lost the tracks at the edge of a cliff or, at least, what heā€™d thought was a cliff. It had ended abruptly, where it had looked like the man had knelt for a moment, before up and vanishing. Charles had walked around, quickly finding another pair of tracks, these ones running, and from the looks of it they should have intersected with the othersā€™. And then heā€™d looked over the cliff, and realized it was more ledge then cliff, and that there was another beneath it.
Ā So, as carefully as he could, heā€™d dropped down onto the lower ledge, looking around. The ground had been a mess, dust and dirt thrown up in a clear struggle, covered in splatters of bloodā€”bigger than the ones heā€™d seen before and, looking up, there was disturbed dirt on the underside of the ledge, too, and blood as well. Something had dragged on the ground, he realized, stepping back and looking down beneath his feet, the ground streaked through, and he followed the path with his eyes, an odd sort of trepidation settling deep in his chest.
Heā€™d missed the body, at first.
Ā It had been growing late, growing dark, and the body was out on the very ledge of a precipice, so he hadnā€™t immediately noticed it. But the drag marks led right to it, and then he wondered how heā€™d missed it. His heart had been in his throat as he approached it, the body little more than a indecipherable blob at first, but as he grew near his heart had stuttered, then dropped into his stomach as he began to see it more in detailā€”
Ā that tan jacket, the blue shirt becoming more clear as he grew nearer. that strange blond-brown hair that changed colors with the sun and then, when he was standing beside him
Ā green-blue eyes, glazed and stony as a river-rock in death, but undeniable.
Ā ā€œOh, Arthur,ā€Ā 
John was still staring at him, and though he had never been one for fidgeting, beneath Johnā€™s fierce stare, (drunk as he was, Johnā€™s gaze was stabbing through him harsher than any blade), he wished he had something in his hands to occupy them; his harmonica, lost years ago, to polish, or his gun to do the same, the rum bottle to roll between them or something to whittle.
He thought back, to turning Arthur over. He thought that, maybe, Arthur had been leaning over, looking at the rising sun (perhaps it was a romanticized notion, but from the way heā€™d been positioned it was what came to mind), but in the days that had passed heā€™d slumped, stiffening with rigor mortis before going limp again, hunched over in a way that could only ever be accidental, in a way that made his own neck and back ache in sympathy; when heā€™d turned him over, everything in his head had screamed wrongwrongwrong, in that way anyoneā€™s did when dealing with a corpse. A human is wired to want to stay far away, for fear that whatever killed that person is still nearby, that it might kill them, too, whether it be sickness or predator, or merely infection from touching a corpse.
Ā But this was his friend, and so despite the skin that slipped beneath his fingers, shifting unnaturally, heā€™d knelt beside him, a deep frown twisting his face. His face had blanched, blood settling at the bottom of his legs, in his rear, from how heā€™d been sitting, but still his face was grayed, marbled in death, and horribly bruised, both his eyes blackened, lips split and cheekbones visibly broken, caved in, shattered bones protruding, pressing against translucent skin. Brown, dried blood surrounded his mouth, his chin, darkened the collar of his beloved shirt.
Looking at John, the manā€™s eyes pleading despite his fierce gaze, he hesitated. He didnā€™t know what had killed Arthur. The man didnā€™t look like heā€™d been in pain when heā€™d diedā€”his face had been smooth, devoid of those lines of stress that had been etched so deep, but that could be contributed to the slippage, too. His face had beenā€¦ well, it had been destroyed. It had looked like heā€™d been beaten, pinned down and had his face smashed in, and from the state of the place where heā€™d found him it wouldnā€™t surprise him (although it had looked like Arthur had put up a hell of a fight, too) if he had, but the way heā€™d been slumped against the rockā€¦ well, that didnā€™t make sense either. It hadnā€™t looked like heā€™d been thrown down, left to rot, but as though heā€™d dragged himself there.
Ā ā€œIā€™m not sure,ā€ he finally admitted, and though John didnā€™t move, didnā€™t say a word, in his eyes he looked as though heā€™d been struck, the distress there obvious. ā€œHeā€¦ he was in pretty bad shape. Looked like heā€™d been in a hell of a fight but,ā€ he searched for his words, ā€œhe didnā€™t look like he was suffering at the end. I thinkā€¦ā€ and he did, nodding as he turned from Johnā€™s gaze to look into the flames, ā€œI think it was the tuberculosis that took him, in the end.ā€
There was silence, for a long moment, tension that throbbed in the air like a thing alive. Finally, John gave a sigh that said more than a thousand words could, and stood, stumbling away towards the house, bottle of rum still clutched in his hand.
Ā Heā€™d asked Charles in hopes of settling his mind, of easing something that ate at him every day, that kept him up at night, and found himself with more questions than before.
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unearthly-space Ā· 4 years ago
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RDR2 - Monsters AU - Van der Linde Monstrous Statuses; Pt.2/2
Pt.2/2 of the Van der Linde gangā€™s Monstrous statuses.
Abigail Roberts: A swan maiden. Yeah, not reallyĀ ā€œmonstrousā€, but not every cryptid is grotesquely horrifying. Swan maidens shapeshift from their human to swan forms (well, most cryptids do, but here me out). The key to her transformation is some sort of garment made of her own swan feathers. If one were to take away her garment, she would be trapped as she is, unable to transform or fly away/swim away without it. Many men hunt the swan maidens to force one to become his wife in such a way.
Jack Marston: A hellhound pup. Cutesy little Jack takes after his father in this regard. Typical hellhound features include mangled black fur, glowing red eyes, super strength and speed, and ghostly or phantom characteristics. Some say that if you stare into a hellhoundā€™s eyes three times or more, you will surely die. Still, though, Jack is but a pup and most of these abilities and characteristics have yet to rear their head. Though he does have the terrifying red eyes and is quite a fast little one.
Susan Grimshaw:Ā A Futakuchi-onna. Thereā€™s nothing I really tied this one to miss Grimshaw with, I just thought it would be an interesting and different creature. AĀ Futakuchi-onna is a mostly humanoid monster with two mouths, their normal one located on their face, and their second one hidden away on the back of their head beneath their hair. The Futakuchi-onnaā€™s skull splits apart and forms lips, teeth, a tongue, ect. It creates a completely functional second mouth one can eat with.
Simon Pearson: A shen. This one was more as a joke, but still funny and the idea is growing on me. A shen is a sort of clam monster from from chinese mythology. Theyā€™re a shapeshiftingĀ ā€œdragon or sea monsterā€ believed to create mirages.Ā 
Leopold Strauss: A Nachtkrapp. A south German and Austrian bugbear creature. Theyā€™re supposed to be a tale meant to scare children off and up to their bedrooms to sleep. Several variations exist, but we will be (mainly) focusing on this - ā€œIn most legends, the Nachtkrapp is described as a giant, nocturnal raven-like bird. In Norse mythology, the, Nachtkrapp (Swedish "Nattramnen", Norwegian "Nattravnen") is depicted with no eyes which if looked into cause death. It is also depicted with holes in its wings which cause illness and disease if looked at.ā€ - quoted straight from Wikipedia until I can get a more valid source.
Josiah Trelawny: A Djinn (Genie). A thing to note about the Djinn cryptids is that they are neither innately evil nor innately good. Theyā€™re usuallyĀ held responsible for misfortune, possession and diseases, ect. However, the djinn are sometimes supportive and benevolent. They are frequently mentioned to be summoned and bound to a sorcerer with some form of brass object. (i.e. a lamp.)
Orville Swanson:Ā Ghillie Dhu. A solitary male fairy. Kindly and reticent, yet sometimes wild in character but had a gentle devotion to children. They typically haveĀ dark hair and are clothed in leaves and moss. A rather unusual nature spirit (most commonly of the mountains), that lived in a birch wood he lived in a birch wood within the Gairloch and Loch a Druing area of the north-west highlands of Scotland.Ā 
Kieran Duffy: A dullahan. I will accept all hate for this horrible, horrible thing I did. For those who donā€™t know, a dullahan is depicted as a headless horse rider, usually on a black steed, who carries their own head in their arms. The ancient Irish believed that wherever a dullahan stopped riding, a person was to die. They all but have to call out that personā€™s name which draws there mortal soul from their body, making them drop dead. It is also said that golden objects can force a dullahan to dissapear. Iā€™ve always loved dullahans (thanks to lots of research after watching DRRR), and I couldnā€™t help but make Kieran one for this AU. Very befitting, due to his in-game fate.Ā 
Molly Oā€™Shea: A banshee.Ā ā€œWoman of the fairy moundā€, ā€œfairy womanā€. Banshees were female spirits of Irish folklore who heralds the death of a family member, usually by wailing, shrieking, or keening. I liked the idea of Molly being a banshee, especially because of her downward spiral further into the game.
Davey Callander: Cerberus. I really wanted to include these next few deceased members justĀ  for a storylineā€™s sake and as respect for the characters we never new. Cerberus, as most would probably know, is the three-headed hound of Hades that guards the gates to the Underworld. A common description includes - three heads, a serpent for a tail, and snakes protruding from multiple parts of his body.
Mac Callander: Orthrus. I contemplated Davey and Mac both being separate heads of Cerberus, but decided to use Orthrus as inspiration, the lesser known brother of Cerberus. Orthrus, though, is only two-headed and guarded Geryonā€™s cattle in myths, until he was killed by Heracles, that is.
Jenny Kirk: A harpy. I would have loved to see Jenny and Lenny in the game, but sadly we were robbed of it. Harpies were half-human, half-bird personifications of storm winds. Generally speaking, they were depicted as birds with the heads of maidens, faces pale with hunger and long claws on their hands. Pottery art depicting the harpies featured beautiful women with wings. Ovid described them as human-vultures.Ā 
Annabelle: A siren. Oh how I love sirens. They were dangerous sea dwellers that enjoyed luring sailors to a watery grave with their enchanting voices and songs. I liked that being the idea of how her and Dutch met, her intentionally trying to drown him in a lake or some sort, before falling in love with him.
Bessie Matthews: A kitsune. I thought it would be cute with Hosea as a majestic centaur with a beautiful nine-tailed fox as his bride. Kitsunes are usually seen as intelligent legendary beings that have up to as many as nine tails. According to some folktales, Kitsune are usually seen employing their shapeshifting ability to trick humans, but others (that I favor for Bessie) portray them as faithful guardians, friends, lovers, and wives.
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Thatā€™s it for the Van der Lindes. As for other characters, Iā€™ve only figured out Mary Lintonā€™s status if I decide to make her a Cryptid.
I also want to make Albert Mason (Iā€™m weak for this cinnamon bun) a Cryptid, but Iā€™m at a loss of what he should be. Any ideas?
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squidproquoclarice Ā· 6 years ago
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How old do you think any of the Red Dead characters are?
(Edit note: This is an updated version as this was a fairly early post-RDR2 Ask for me, and Iā€™ve revised some ages since as I got a better feeling for the characters.Ā  Also, I forgot Strauss the first time around, and added Bonnie.)I know thereā€™s a supposed 1858 birthdate from somewhere (RDR1?) for Dutch. Ā Letā€™s throw that out the window. Ā There is no way Dutch is only 5 years older than Arthur. Ā I donā€™t believe that a 14-y-o seized so completely on a 19-y-o as a father. Ā Dutch looks far older than 25 in that photo of the Three OGs where Arthur looks about 18-20. Ā I also donā€™t believe that a gangly 18-y-o Dutch mesmerized a 30ish Hosea so completely on the road to Chicago c. 1876 so as to become the senior member of their partnership.
The 1858 is an example of something being put out there previously without much context, and being torpedoed later by more information. Ā His wanted poster from RDR2 describes him as ā€œmid-fortiesā€ anyway. Ā (And Dutch is less outdoorsy than some of the other gang members, and takes care of himself, so Iā€™d say he could be 50 easily given he ages well?) Ā Itā€™s a supposed data point that just doesnā€™t make any sense now, so Iā€™m firmly discarding it.Ā Ā 
Anyhow, what Iā€™ve got for gang members and a few associated non-gang members.Ā  Some of these are a bit loose because I am admittedly not the best estimator of ages, but itā€™s the timeline Iā€™m using in my writing, FWIW.Ā  Chars with confirmed ages and/or birth years are in bold. Ā Age in 1899, or death year for deceased characters at the start of the game, in parentheses.
1842: Rains Fall (57)1843: Hosea Matthews (56)1844: Beatriz (Lopez) de Morales/Sister Calderon (55)
1846: Leopold Strauss (53)1849: (Real first name unknown) ā€œDutchā€ Van Der Linde (50)
1851: Susan Grimshaw (48)
1852: Elizabeth ā€œBessieā€ (Westin) Matthews (d. 1893)
1859: Simon Pearson (40)
1860: Micah Bell (39)1862: Thunder In His Heart (d. 1890, Rains Fallā€™s older son)
1863: Jacob ā€œJakeā€ Adler (d. 1899)
1863: Arthur Morgan (36)
1866: Mary (Gillis) Linton (33)
1866: Marion ā€œBillā€ Williamson (33)
1866: Eliza McCready (d. 1890)
1867: Charles Smith (32)
1868: Sadie (Griffith) Adler (31)
1869: Kieran Duffy (30)
1870: Eagle Flies (29)
1871: Javier Escuella (28)
1872: Margaret ā€œMollyā€ Oā€™Shea (27)
1872: Karen Jones (27)
1873: John Marston (26)
1873: Sean McGuire (26)
1877: Abigail (Roberts) Marston (22)
1878: Mary-Beth Gaskill (21)
1879: Matilda ā€œTillyā€ Jackson (20)
1879: Bonnie MacFarlane (20)
1880: Leonard ā€œLennyā€ Summers (19)
1886: Isaac McCready (d. 1890)
1895: John ā€œJackā€ Marston Jr. (4)
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