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THINGS JENSEN ROSS ACKLES SAID SINCE SUPERNATURAL ENDED (paraphrasing):
CROSSROADS 6:
The advice season 15 Dean would give season 4 Dean: appreciate Cas more. Because he'd prove to be the best friend and biggest ally.
JIB 11:
I hope we will get a chance to see that [Dean and Cas' reunion]. I think it would look like we all hope it would. There would be an embrace and then Dean would be like: Can we talk about that goodbye for a minute?
SPNVAN 2022:
I didn’t say anything - I didn’t give him anything. And what I had in my head was, I should have said "I love you too” and hugged him.
NASHVILLE 2023:
Dean's biggest regret was that he couldn't save Cas.
#jensen ross ackles explain#I refuse to get my hopes up for the reboot BUT#Jensen will not give us reciprocated Destiel but maybe he can actually give us Dean and Cas' relationship being treated with respect???????#hahahahahaahah#I can't believe I'm actually low key hopeful#I learned nothing I guess#supernatural#jensen ackles#destiel
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cas had texted and said he’d be back at the bunker that night, and dean had stayed up until almost 3am waiting for the angel. when cas hadn’t walked through the bunker door, dean had to drag himself to bed before he passed out on the war table.
he didn’t sleep for long though, waking up just after 6am to check his phone. no messages from cas. was it too soon to start worrying?
making his way to the kitchen for a very strong cup of black coffee, dean shuffled past the bag in hallway while he rubbed blearily at his eyes. it took several long seconds before dean realized he’d almost tripped over cas’ overnight bag and he quickly backtracked and made a beeline for cas’ room.
the room was empty, no sign of cas’ current trenchcoat or of the angel anywhere.
frowning, dean wandered the hallways, searching for any signs of cas. but there was nothing. the bunker was quiet. empty. not even sam was awake yet.
convincing himself that the overnight bag had always been there and he’d just forgotten because he was tired, dean trudged back towards the kitchen by cutting through the library.
and he froze, mid-step.
slumped, lying curled up between two of the chairs at the table, was a sleeping angel using his trenchcoat as a pillow against the hard wooden seats.
a sleeping angel who was bundled up under dean’s old hoodie; the clothing item which usually held a permanent place in the backseat of the impala. the same hoodie that had gone missing a week ago.
dean’s heart stuttered in his chest.
his feet carried him gently across the library and he found himself reaching out and brushing a lock of hair off of cas’ forehead. the hood of the jacket was tucked up under cas’ chin, almost as if the angel had been burying his face in the cotton material, but the rest of it was slipping off and threatening to fall onto the floor.
breath catching in his throat, dean softly readjusted the hoodie and wrapped it around cas’ shoulders. cas let out a content sigh in his sleep, and dean suddenly felt weak in the knees.
cas had taken dean’s jacket with him when he’d left the bunker last week. and now, cas was using his hoodie as a blanket. a concept that years ago dean would’ve sworn up and down that cas would never understand because angels didn’t have feelings. yet, here cas was, carrying around dean’s old clothes, wearing his heart on dean’s worn sleeves.
smiling to himself, dean quietly made his way back to the kitchen to make honey tea for cas and a pot of coffee. he was going to need the caffeine courage to show cas that this was mutual.
as the coffee brewed and the tea steeped, dean snuck back into cas’ room and collected the one thing he was missing. wrapping one of cas’ old trenchcoats around his shoulders, dean was finally ready to put his own heart onto cas’ sleeve.
#destiel#dean winchester#castiel#spn#supernatural#deancas#bex writing#this ended up being way longer than I anticipated#i just love this idea#dean finding cas with his old hoodie. piecing together that cas took it with him for comfort and reassurance#for cas to wear and have something that smelt like dean. something that felt like home#that sudden epiphany that dean realizes this is cas’ love language#and dean can reciprocate it#I’ve had this concept in my head for agesss and I’m so glad I could finally write it for yall#clothes sharing is just too good. especially when it comes to old hoodies and trenchcoats
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oh btw when misha said cas saw love in his eyes, he meant he knew there and then that dean wants to fuck him nasty. it's true, alex confirmed it x
#what misha pretended to try & get across: dean accepted cas#what misha really wanted to get across: dean reciprocates#what the sniper did: forget about alex
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I think one of the things that initially attracted Dean to Cas was his manner of speaking.
Dean finds that he likes the straightforwardness and abruptness. Sure there was, "Are you allergic to straight answers, you son of a bitch?" in early days, but then there was also delightfully dry, one-word responses like this:
DEAN: Where've you been? CASTIEL: Jerusalem. DEAN: Oh, how was it? CASTIEL: Arid. CASTIEL sets the jar on the table. DEAN: What's that? CASTIEL: It's oil. It's very special. Very rare.
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CASTIEL sits down. DEAN: Okay, so we trap Raphael with a nice vinaigrette? CASTIEL: No. DEAN: So this ritual of yours, when does it got to go down? CASTIEL: Sunrise. DEAN: Tell me something. You keep saying we're gonna trap this guy. Isn't that kinda like trapping a hurricane with a butterfly net? CASTIEL: No, it's harder. DEAN: Do we have any chance of surviving this? CASTIEL: You do. DEAN: So odds are you're a dead man tomorrow. CASTIEL: Yes.
Sure, Cas is kind of abrasive, but there's also very little natural subterfuge and artifice in his manner of speaking. He's not like John, passive-aggressive and wrapped with hidden barbed wire. He's not like Sam, overexplaining to the point of obfuscation. And Dean and Bobby are laden with pop culture sarcasm, emotional evasion, and other prickly defense mechanisms. (Dean loves Bobby, but his own style of communication exhausts him. He doesn’t love it when it’s coming from others.)
Cas generally says what he thinks, and he doesn't beat around the bush. And Dean finds Cas's speech pattern disarming...and really, really comforting, even when it's "rude."
It's why Dean's so thrown and hurt when Cas starts acting cagey and evasive in season 6. It's why the lying rips the rug out from underneath him.
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As for Cas, he's fascinated by Dean's manner of speaking.
Cas is incredibly inquisitive and curious by nature. (The first thing he does on arriving in the barn is to start rifling through books and spells without even making much eye contact with them.)
We can gather that Dean's inexplicably complicated speech patterns are something of a puzzle for Cas. He's always trying to read Dean's body language and put these strange references together with enough context clues to read Dean's meaning. Even more fascinating to Cas is that Dean's words and body language are often in extreme mismatch (especially when he’s posturing).
For a creature that knows so many languages, Cas is frustrated by this as much as he is charmed by it. Cas is enamored by Dean's sometimes volatile emotions and his ability to hold two conflicting viewpoints at the same time. (Hello, "Tender one moment. Tough the next.") Dean's speech reflects his cycling emotions and rapid-fire ability to take in and regurgitate information.
And Cas likes that.
He also likes learning the modern human quirks of language. In seasons 14 and 15, we see Cas practicing and learning human metaphors. He enjoys TV, and he really likes sharing this cultural exploration with Dean.
#dean/cas#dean/cas + communication#sam also has a pushy analytical style#cas on the other hand is more open and shares reciprocal vulnerability even from the very start#with the bench scene and can i tell you something if you promise not to share with a single soul
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I am going to be bitter for one second if Jensen and misha were not allowed to kiss in the homophobic network they could have atleast had this kind of pda or something.
Anyways I feel if dean said "I love you" no one would be questioning the intent (non-platonic period). Actor man Jensen Ackles if you think of doing the spn revival (with your boyfriend misha) you can do over this pda i wouldn't complain anymore after this. Just reciprocate my guy in some way that is all. We are not "sexualising" for gods sake this is justice to us, to cas, to dean, for the greatest love story ever told destiel slowburn plus the homophobia we have constantly faced in cons and everywhere else. Give us this please. Give us peace actor man.
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Cas saying "I wanted to return [the cassette]" and Dean saying "It's a gift, You keep those" is not just a cute, romantic destiel moment, it's Cas wanting out of his bond with Dean (because he's about to betray him again and hypocritically thinks he can get away with that if he just returns that gift) and Dean telling him "no, you stay where you are, I demand reciprocity". The moment Dean says (and probably repeats although we don't see it) that the cassette is a gift and that he has to keep it he is implicitly requiring reciprocity which Cas won't give back.
more on reciprocity here.
#the politics of gift-giving are complex#affirm or reaffirm that something is a gift means stating that reciprocity is required#giving is always a relationship between the giver and the receiver#the same happens between amara and dean but that's for another day#“mary was " a gift. not a trial”#sometimes I feel like the romanticizing of Dean and Cas moments hides the real depth of their relationship#they weren't kidding when they said “more profound bond”#spn s12#destiel#castiel#dean winchester#supernatural#destiel and betrayal#phd in spn s12
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MARYLAND 1x01 - ( footage thanks to @evebestonline ) for @rxnefairs, who talks to me about this ship x
#maryland#marylandedit#eve best#suranne jones#dean lennox kelly#becca hall#rosaline ward#my gifs#i just think the flirting here is smooth af even if it's 10/10 not being reciprocated#she's there because her mum is dead - you need to unlock her tragic backstory before making a move#but you can do it jacob
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seeing ppl reblog a “shitpost” where dean homophobically rejects Cas in the confession not realizing it’s literally from w* / destiel haters who think dean doesn’t give af abt Cas and would actually do that. like yea I don’t expect ppl to vet blogs but like, I saw it and immediately got a Vibe from it and was right
#it’s wild how much deancrit destiel shippers will literally just end up parroting anti destiel things and headcanons#bc they think it’s funny that dean would be ‘homophobic’ or hate him and think he’d treat Cas like that#like truly I do not understand those kinds of ppl or how they can ship destiel if they actually hate one half of the ship but.#unfortch they exist. and it becomes sooo funny to them to reblog these kinds of posts that are literally from ‘the other side’#and then other ppl just uncritically reblog them and spread literal w*ncestie/br0nly ideas and headcanon around#anyways yes I’m too serious for certain subsections of this fandom#like sorry I’m not gonna reblog a shitpost that completely goes against what I believe abt these characters#he WOULDNT say ‘let the darkness take you faggot’. he WASNT holding back a ‘slur’. joking abt it isn’t funny to me 💁🏻♀️#esp since those are exactly the kind of things anti destiel ppl said to invalidate the confession or dean’s own feelings#and insist destiel ‘isn’t real’ bc Dean didn’t say anything / ‘looked like he was holding back a slur’ etc#fandom annoying me as per usual#it’s also abt sticking to your convictions for me#like either you think dean was in love with cas and distraught and processing and wanting to reciprocate in that scene#or you don’t
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he knows him better than anyone else in the world and don't you fucking forget it
#always snoozing thru boohoo-poor-dean fodder but smiling tiredly at how well sam understands him#(not reciprocated by dean bc he doesn't put in half the effort that sam does when it rly counts)#spn#liveblog tag#14.10
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I am brought great peace by the fact that “Dean can’t reciprocate” is in the text of the confession scene’s script. He can’t reciprocate <3 Aromantic Dean wins, he can’t tell that angel he loves him because he’s never going to feel that way <3
#this is not the worst moment of his life. or in the top five. because those are all ‘times sam has died’#it’s in the top ten though and its awful <3 literally the worst situation ever for him#confession you can’t reciprocate? awkward. confession you can’t reciprocate ever at all because you don’t work that way? worse#HE’S ALSO GONNA FUCKING DIE? KIND OF TERRIBLE ACTUALLY.#we can have a little aro!dean angst. as a treat. but mostly let us revel in what im taking as canon confirmation <3#aro!dean#dean winchester#spn
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don’t crucify me cause i like destiel well enough but some of the fans are letting ur desperation blind you. is it not insanely obvious from jensen’s little speech that he thinks there’s nothing to resolve because everything’s been SAID. him saying it’s all in the text is him saying that cas has confessed his (romantic) love confession and that dean doesn’t need to confess anything back because he doesn’t Have anything (romantic) to say back. i don’t agree w him but that’s what he’s trying to say pls actually listen to the words. if we get s16 destiel is not happening they won’t even talk about the confession it’ll just continue on like nothing happened
#like at this point you’re queerbaiting yourself jensens literally saying the confession is resolved and therefore implying that dean doesn’t#need to reciprocate cause he has nothing to reciprocate#is he correct? that’s ur own personal opinion! i do personally like destiel so🤷♂️disagree. but he is not supporting destiel fans guys he’s#just being charitable about it😭😭this is not canon destiel#if i start getting crucified in replies to this i’m just not gonna respond that’s ur fair warning#spn#oliver talks
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I need more fics framing The Rupture as something necessary for destiel—it hurt like a fucking bitch, sure, and it was a low blow for Dean to hit Cas exactly where he knows Cas hurt most (in being the problem or a burden), but also. Looking at it from Dean's perspective, it really did feel like a move that old, early-seasons Cas would do; withheld information, acted on his own, took risks that could cost others.
And when it all piled up? From Jack's soulless behaviors directly killing Mary, to the deal with Belphegor in hell costing them Rowena. Again, hard agree that it was one of the most painful lines dropped in the show (especially so if you remember that this is post-Empty deal), but context guys, context.
Plus, I believe this separation wasn't only long-time coming but also a pretty important addition because what is destiel if not a pair of stubborn idiots who can't communicate. That's not to say an argument is necessary to talk (it can be, in certain situations, sure) but they've been on different pages since Cas came back in S13.
The center of their disagreement seemed to mostly lie in their belief in Jack. I can't remember a time they really sat down and smoothed things out so much as they avoided talking about what happened during the Widower arc altogether, and that's when the wound really began to fester. (It didn't help that they had to deal with so many problems all at once; the Brits, Asmodeus, Apocalypse World, Lucifer, then AU Michael...)
Here is what we know that Cas believed (from the canon narrative): Jack formed a bond with Cas, even before he was born he somehow showed Cas a possible future; paradise. It's the same power, perhaps a protection mechanism with nephilim seeing as God labeled them as Abominations, that turned Kelly as well. What we know Cas saw (from the deleted scene/script): Cas' paradise consisted of everyone he loved, his family, being safe. This included Sam, Kelly, and Dean on a beach, with more focus on Dean as he tells Cas, "thank you."
From what we could see that Cas did not, Dean had enough resentment against Jack that wasn't going to magically go away overnight. Jack hadn't formed the same bond with Dean that he did with Cas.
What happened before Jack was born: Heaven and Hell both sought out Jack for their respective goals, an innocent woman was going to die from the sheer magnitude of giving birth to a Nephilim, and Cas left by what Dean assumed was delusions and manipulations. What happened when Jack was born: Mary fell into a portal to a different universe—a rift that only opened due to the anomaly and power of Jack's existence—Kelly died, and Cas got stabbed right in front of him.
And this isn't to discredit Dean's love for Jack, when he did allow himself to love him or see him as family, but you can love someone and still resent them or feel bad about them. Moreso during extreme circumstances, however unfair or illogical it may be. Again, did they ever really talk? Maybe my memory is failing me but I'm pretty certain they didn't, or at least never in great detail, or came to an agreement about it.
Dean and Cas... just had so much dirty laundry and Rupture made sure they aired it all out. But I think we, as a society, would benefit greatly from not framing Dean as the big bad villain here or Cas as some poor innocent bean. Supernatural's theme was never about brotherhood or family, it's about how shit could have been so much easier if they just communicated.
#thank you for coming to my TED talk#i may be slightly drunk so take my words with a grain of salt#a pinch perhaps#but nothing more#i do think that dean deserves more leeway esp since haters looooove bringing it up in destiel discourse#dean loved cas too he fucking reciprocated no doubt about that#but that's a different rant#this one's about rupture specifically mmhmm#i wanna do an actual dean and jack study ngl but goddddd im currently buried under 3 major petas and some club work lmao#I HAD ONE MORE POINT TO ADD BUT I FORGOT BETWEEN MY THIRD AND FIFTH REFILL LMAO#spn#destiel#spn 15x03#15x03#the rupture#dean winchester#jack kline#castiel#dean studies#spn meta#spn rant
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i think we need to get out ahead of this and collectively accept that if there is a supernatural revival we're going to lose. best case scenario is they bring cas back and don't address the confession at all. i'm sorry i want to see those two pale coconuts collide more than anything too but after the way every mention of cas was viciously cut out from the last two episodes and every post-finale convention shitshow i just do not think there's a world where this hypothetical revival gives us what we want
#the only way i see them making destiel canon a third time#is if the revival is a 'what if' style miniseries where each episode is set in a different universe#and in one of those episodes dean reciprocates but the conservative general audience can write it off as 'not the real dean'#it would be in keeping with supernatural's general failure to commit to literally any aspect of its storytelling#literally saying this as someone who occasionally daydreams about making kripke and ackles binge all 15 seasons#so they can see the patterns of dean's behavior that are obvious on a binge but less so if you haven't revisited the show since it aired
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cas coming back in any kind of spn reboot is a given, we know this. he'll interact with dean and we might even get dean addressing the confession. and i know jackles will be the driving force behind any reboot but his history with addressing dean's feelings at cons is like a damn yoyo - is2g if dean doesn't reciprocate and destiel doesn't kiss on screen i'm not watching it and it will join the annals of not-canon along with 15x19 and 15x20 and the canon divergence attempt at a fixit that was dean in spnwin. no destiel means spngate 2.0.
#spn reboot#thoughts#he's made great strides these recent years and is so proud of 15x18. but i just rewatched that con question where he says#dean should've said he loved cas too and hugged him - and everyone fucking cheered! and he felt he needed to follow that up#with: and i know people will try to romanticise this brotherly relationship.... sir please. you gotta know we want dean back#but if you don't let him have cas romantically (and sexually) then honestly why even bother? you've seen the fandom these past 3-4 years#you know what we want. we want cas back. we want dean alive. we want reciprocated destiel. we want them to be together.#we want a happy ending. that doesn't mean you need to tie up every loose end but it does mean you gotta give the story#- not just the audience - what it deserves which is a destiel reunion and dean's own love confession for cas. or else just show#them as already together. that's what we want. that's what the characters want. that's what would make me watch. anything#else isn't giving the characters or the 12year long relationship and 15 year long plot what it deserves.
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just thinking abt spn's horrible no good very bad finale and a thing that frustrates me a lot abt stories in general.....the epilogue that leaves no room for fans to conjure up more story. like, don't give me epilogues that flash forward many years into the character's lives or show the ends of their lives. i'd always rather leave the characters right where they are. people want to imagine futures for their favorite characters. stories that tie up every loose end, that bring you to the end of a character's lives for no reason other than to have the last word on where the character ends up are often unsatisfying. characters' lives don't stop when the story ends. sometimes a story is only a slice of a character's life. a glimpse. a window. other times we spend years and years with those characters. but their lives don't have to end when the story does.
i'd rather have had spn end on 15x19, ambiguous, open-ended, with the question of what comes next? they've defeated god, they're free, now what will they do with that freedom? go rescue cas from the empty? find a way to get jack back and free him from the god role? move out of the bunker? retire? that's for you to decide.
but the finale stomped on all that. it said, no this is how it ends. this is it. this is their story. the book is closed now. thee end.
and of course, we can do what we want and override that because this IS a supernatural fantasy show after all. jackles himself did it. he said, "no, actually, this isn't the end for dean." but still, that finale wanted to be obtrusive. it wanted to hinder any possible futures for these characters. it wanted to have the last word. and it's so very chuck. so very, network interference. it's an epilogue that wears the veneer of a happy ending with the sound of a prison door slamming shut.
#sorry i randomly got in my feels over the finale#it sucks ! i hate it ! it clipped their wings. it slammed the book shut.#it should've ended ambiguous but they just haaaad to kill dean bc he can't be queer and live.#bc leaving him alive would inevitably lead to dean finding cas again and reciprocating. bc it's the only ending that makes sense for him#but jokes on them bc nothing stays dead in spn<3#vic.txt
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My thing is that I just do not trust a single person who was involved in the show. It just seems like a lot of PR to fix their image and foster sympathy/goodwill/interest.
#i haven't seen compelling evidence that anybody actually tried to fight for canon (and reciprocated) destiel#just admissions that they played into the subtext#(which we already knew - that's why spn's been considered a prime example of queerbaiting since like 2011)#and non-committal statements about the pairing being compelling#edlund seemed to specifically say he wasn't censored/forced to rework due to the gay#yeah misha said the cw's homophobic and suggested the network was the barrier#but at least half of what comes out of misha's mouth is bullshit#like he also said they tried to pay him to stay bisexual#and as a result there's now a bunch of support being tossed out to the writers and some fans are talking about them like they're heroes#who valliantly fought against a homophobic network and were totally going to make dean and cas a couple#but were foiled by said network which is why the show ended with the gays being buried yet again#you see in the secret unreleased version...#and if we just let jensen make another season he won't let us down because of xyz vague statements#nevermind that he made a new show where cas was also never mentioned - cw censorship#nevermind the straightwashed version of soldier boy he's playing - that's kripke's fault#nevermind the statements he's made in the past about destiel and dean's sexuality - he's changed his mind#you can tell because he's said it's okay for fans to have their own interpretations about the series#idk maybe i'm too cynical and i'm being unfair#there's just too much vagueness from pretty much everybody for me to put faith in their intentions#especially if they are seriously considering attempting to revive the series - this sort of thing is great for drumming up interest#the writers being censored by homophobic execs is a familiar narrative ofc - but i don't see anything solid to suggest this is what happened#and it's not like there weren't queer relationships on tv when spn was airing - the show ended in 2020#it isn't even like there weren't queer relationships shown on the cw during spn's run - there were more than a few#i just have so many questions#spn#destiel
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