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kiwiwinjindouche · 3 years ago

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But like, are we sure sure it’s Luca who helped Jindosh?

I keep thinking it’d be more logical if it were Theodanis, but my brain is, again, having some doubts about it.

Let’s start from the beginning, shall we. Lots of lore and Jindosh to be expected, and spoilers.

He’s 40-45, and my lazy ass wants to think he’s going to be 42 yo in DH2, so it’s easier for the dates. He’d be born in 1810, in good ol’ Karnaca. He had a more or less difficult life there, between the hate of his mother and, I hope, the brother he still had a somehow good relationship with (I just don’t think he’s using ‘bastard’ as an insult there?). He arrived at the Academy at 16 maybe (again, just my lil’ preference there, cuz I like to over analyze things and all we have is, at some point when he was 16, he was studying there, could be 14/15/16, 15/16/17, or 16/17/18). Anyway. Got banned two years later. We’re now in 1828.

DH1 events happen in 1837.

Then, all we have before DH2 is from the book The Return of Daud (I mean, yes, The Corroded Man too but it doesn’t interest me in the slightest there). 2nd interlude, it’s 1841, and Stilton and Sokolov are having an exhibit in the Royal Conservatory. Jindosh’s here too, and Stilton thinks he recognizes him. Also, as a small note, I think by the time Breanna is already at the head of the conservatory.

(Furthermore, you can see silvergraphs of the coup crew in the Clockwork Mansion, and the one of Breanna is dated 1846!)

And next, another important year is 1847, Theodanis died, and Luca became the new Duke of Serkonos. It took 6 years to build the Royal Conservatory, and less than 5 years for the Grand Palace (between 1847 and 1852 obviously, and this makes me think it’s probably the main reason the ritual has been done in Stilton’s mansion: Addermire? Certainly not. The conservatory? Just why? At Jindosh’s? hell no, geez. Couldn’t do it at Luca’s maybe? And because of Stilton and Theodanis’ relationship as well, welp). Anyway!

So yeah, I don’t think building the Clockwork Mansion took more years than the conservatory, but it probably took more than the Grand Palace. Fun fact, did you know there was an observatory there?

Heck yeah. An old observatory, abandoned. But question is, how could people go there? I’ve tried to analyze the road to the mansion too, and boy it’s kinda weird – stylish as a lvl design, but lore wises I’m not sure about what I’m seeing. Is the railway relatively new, or old? Maybe the observatory got abandoned because the path has been destroyed, ‘d be fair enough.

Now.

The Clockwork Mansion, you just can’t tell me it has been easy to build. I wouldn’t believe you. First, it’s stupidly complex with the shifting walls. Second, its darn location: ON A CLIFF. With a destroyed path OR the railway. Third, I think it’d be expensive as hell too. And you’re telling me Jindosh also built many things, and the clockwork sentinels/soldiers, and the riddle, and the Oraculum, in 5 years? I don’t care how many nights you don’t sleep that’s too crazy. Or maybe, he already had his mansion?

That leads me to another point.

Can we talk about the assessment chamber really quick? It looks so… odd? I mean, all the mansion is heavily fancy but this part. But that’s probably because it’s not as much “important” but if visitors come by to see the soldiers in action? It looks like the most recent part of the mansion, the mountain being dug to add just a room to “test the limits of the clockwork soldiers”. Soo, again, maybe he had already finished to build his mansion and just added this recently?

BUT, as I said, it probably was expensive as shit. Do you think he had the money to do it by himself (like some lily-livered little rich boy (oops ofmd ref), like, he grew in a wealthy family somehow, or by already selling some inventions) or received some help, let’s say, from the Duke? And as Stilton has the feeling he knows him in 1841, maybe, you know… Theodanis helped him… Moreover, if you were the Duke of a pecking country, don’t you think you’d have heard anyway about a crazy inventor building a crazy house on the cliff, visible by anyone?

(Last very small note, the gift to the Tyvian NOBLE girl, before or after Theodanis’ passed you think?)

So I don’t know, I still prefer to think it was Theodanis. I don’t remember anything clearly said in the games or the wiki about this.

If you have more information, theories or idk, feel free to share with me! I’m so interested by all this.

Next time I’ll just go with some random fun facts promise.

#dh2 #dishonored 2 #dishonored #dagyne_rambles #kirin jindosh #that's a lot of ranting there #geez #i'm way too much invested in Jindosh's life #gotta love my rat man

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nazaninlankarani · 6 years ago

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It Could Take 8 Years to Get This Patek Philippe. If You Can Get on the List.

If you are thinking of buying an automatic Patek Philippe Ref. 5711 in stainless steel with a black-blue dial, think again.

The Nautilus sports watch line, which includes the Ref. 5711, has been produced without interruption for 43 years. But demand for that particular model has so surpassed supply in recent years that neither Patek Philippe nor any of its retailers will sell one just because a customer is waving cash around. New watches go to carefully vetted clients who gained places on the waiting list thanks to longstanding relationships with the Swiss watchmaker.

And, while no one will specify, the wait is said to be as long as eight years.

“Why is the Nautilus so popular,” Thierry Stern, president of Patek Philippe, asked rhetorically in an interview last October in Milan during one of the family-owned house’s promotional events. “Of course I am happy about it, but honestly I don’t know the answer.”

For Mr. Stern, the subject is at once both somewhat irritating and a source of pride. “We make about 140 different models at Patek Philippe, and the basic Ref. 5711 in steel is just one of them,” he said. “We have many other models that are more complicated and arguably more beautiful.”

Tell that to frustrated buyers.

The first Nautilus, the Ref. 3700, was introduced in 1976, while Mr. Stern’s father, Philippe, was still leading the company. Gérald Genta, who had created the Royal Oak for Audemars Piguet four years earlier, designed the timepiece, both its name and the rounded octagonal bezel and case (inspired by a ship’s porthole) referencing Philippe Stern’s passion for sailing.

“When the Nautilus was introduced, the watch industry was confronted with the quartz crisis,” said Nicholas Foulkes, author of “Patek Philippe: The Authorized Biography” published in 2016. “Philippe Stern had an incredible vision that mechanical watches would come back.”

The advertising tagline said “one of the world’s costliest watches is made of steel.” And that, too, was something of a revolution for Patek, which previously had made only classic watches in precious metals. “What was interesting then was not that it was a steel watch,” Mr. Foulkes said, “but that it was a Patek Philippe in steel.” Within a few years, women’s versions were introduced and complications added.

In 2006, the Ref. 5711/1A debuted — a reworked version of the Ref. 3700 model in steel but with a bluer dial and an automatic caliber.

It was not Patek’s most expensive watch nor its most complicated. But the consensus among watch fans is that it is the most coveted.

“If I had a penny for every client who came in every day asking for a Ref. 5711 in steel, I would be long retired,” a salesman at Tourneau, an authorized retailer in New York, said last fall. The official retail price is $29,803 (or, in Europe, 27,040 euros).

Founded in 1839, and closely held by the Stern family since 1932, Patek Philippe does not disclose its annual production or revenue — but reports have estimated it produces 60,000 timepieces annually and generates 1.5 billion Swiss francs in sales. In January Bloomberg reported that the company might be offered for sale, with analysts estimating it could be worth $8 billion to $10 billion.

“We don’t discuss production quantities, but clearly we don’t make enough Ref. 5711s,” Mr. Stern said. “Today we are meeting maybe 10 percent of the demand, and it is going to stay that way.”

“For us, this is not a race to make more money,” he said. “It is a race for beauty, for the long term, and for greater choice in our collections.”

World record

Rarity breeds desire, but also speculation. The scarcity of the Ref. 5711 on the primary market has resulted in corresponding price increases for new and pre-owned models at auction.

Consider the new automatic Ref. 5711/1A in stainless steel with a so-called Tiffany dial that was sold in November at a Phillips auction in Geneva. The timepiece was accompanied by its Patek certificate of origin, showing it had been sold on July 30 at the Tiffany & Company Fifth Avenue flagship in New York.

Tiffany, an official Patek retailer since 1851, has stamped its name on the dial of certain Patek models; other retailers have had similar arrangements in the past, but now only Tiffany has such an agreement. Tiffany will not say how many Ref. 5711 dials it has stamped or how many have sold, but the watches are widely considered to be among the rarest in production.

For the consignor, whose identity was known to Patek, Tiffany and Phillips but was not made public, the payout was immediate and exponential: The watch sold for 125,000 Swiss francs or $124,362, including the buyer’s premium, setting a world record for a steel Ref. 5711.

“If you want to distinguish yourself with a Ref. 5711, you need that Tiffany dial,” said Aurel Bacs, the auctioneer who brought down the hammer. “This is the endgame in Ref. 5711s.”

Six stories

Several owners have their own histories with the Ref. 5711.

A PRIVATE COLLECTOR

Claude Sfeir is a prominent Patek Philippe client who says he owns “almost all” the watches in the Nautilus series, including a one-of-a-kind prototype Ref. 3700 that he acquired a few years ago at auction.

“This prototype is the symbol of the success of the Nautilus and proof of the genius of Gérald Genta,” Mr. Sfeir said in a phone interview from Beirut, Lebanon. “This watch carries the history of all the Nautilus watches in a simple design that is still very current.”

The collector Claude Sfeir said he owned “almost all” the watches in the Nautilus series, including a one-of-a-kind prototype Ref. 3700. © Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times

In May 2015, a 1978 timepiece called the Albino Prototype, for its white dial, came up for sale at Sotheby’s in Geneva. To bid without attracting attention, Mr. Sfeir recalled, he left the salesroom before the watch — lot 116 — was announced and made his bids over the phone from the hallway outside.

Estimated to sell for 30,000 and 50,000 Swiss francs, the watch was sold to Mr. Sfeir for 250,000 francs.

“My Ref. 3700 is unique,” Mr. Sfeir said, “and its real market value is in the millions.”

A 50TH BIRTHDAY GIFT

Patek’s well-known advertising slogan says an owner is “merely looking after it for the next generation.”

François-Jean Daehn, president of Montaigne Publications and director of Monsieur, a French men’s magazine, says he surely will pass on to his son the Ref. 5711 that he bought in 2014 as a 50th birthday gift to himself.

“I happened to be in Geneva, and it was my birthday, and also beginning of a new love story,” he said. “It is a watch I love because it has even more special significance for me.”

François-Jean Daehn plans to leave the Ref. 5711, which he bought as a 50th birthday gift to himself, to his son.

Mr. Daehn, who said he had been thinking about buying the watch for a long time, said its purchase made him realize that his tastes are actually very mainstream. “I always thought of myself as an independent tastemaker with a penchant for more exotic timepieces,” he said. “I see now the extent to which I am moved by established luxury icons.”

“When people ask me, ‘How did you get this watch?’, it is a little embarrassing,” he said. “ I wish it could go unnoticed.”

THE WISH LIST

Alexander Rosenbeck may be based in the small Danish town of Slagelse, about an hour’s drive southwest of Copenhagen, but he has 2.3 million followers on Daily Watch, the Instagram site he co-founded in 2013.

And guess what is at the top of his list.

“I already own the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15202 with an ultrathin movement,” Mr. Rosenbeck, 25, said in a phone interview. “But the watch I want now is the Ref. 5711, because it is classy and sporty, and you can spot it a mile away.”

Alexander Rosenbeck has an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15202, but “the watch I want now is the Ref. 5711, because it is classy and sporty, and you can spot it a mile away.”

Mr. Rosenbeck became interested in watches after he began working on Daily Watch, augmenting his knowledge with visits to various manufacturers. Today, the site’s events held in collaboration with watch brands allow him to live off his Instagram activities alone. But buying watches can be a bit difficult.

He hopes to get his name on a waiting list or to buy one on the secondary market, if he finds a “good deal.”

“Every month that goes by, the watch gets more expensive,” he said. “My friends think that paying so much just to see the time on your wrist is crazy.”

He is even considering a sacrifice.

“I might sell my Audemars Piguet because my budget will not allow me to keep both,” he said. “It is difficult to let go of this baby, but I am considering selling it for the Patek.”

INSTAGRAM QUEEN

Misha Daud is the woman behind Watch Fashionista, with 151,000 followers in Instagram. Based in Oman, Ms. Daud took over the women’s watches site started by Anish Bhatt, one of the best-known watch influencers, whose Watch Anish site now has 1.7 million Instagram followers.

“I have always loved watches, and people liked the photos I posted on my private profile,” Ms. Daud said in a phone interview from London. She said she owns all the watches she features (she wouldn’t specify how many that is) and attributes the site’s appeal to its fashion-savvy orientation (watches are shown worn with a stack of Cartier Juste un Clou bracelets or a Van Cleef & Arpels Alhambra chain, for example).

Misha Daud owns a Ref. 5711 in gold and wears the Ref. 5712 she bought for her husband.

“The watch world takes itself too seriously, but a lot of women don’t want to be like that about watches,” she said. “For me, I will buy a watch if I love it. I trust my own judgment and taste in everything from art to watches and fashion.”

Ms. Daud said she owns a Ref. 5711 in gold — and when she had a chance to buy the steel version, she chose the Ref. 5712 with a moon phase complication instead.

“The 5711 is an appealing watch with a clean classic design,” she said. “But I prefer the Ref. 5712 and bought it as a gift for my husband, but he will not wear it because he has more classic tastes.”

So she wears it.

THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY

John Reardon, who managed Patek Philippe’s sales in the United States for nine years, was at the company in 2006 when it introduced the Ref. 5711.

“It was like a breath of fresh air and we were all very excited at Patek Philippe,” Mr. Reardon said in a phone interview from New York, where he has been international head of Christie’s watch department since 2013.

“The retail price was around $17,500 then,” he added. “People wanted the watch, but there was no craziness over what was just a new watch in a line that people appreciated.”

In 2011, after he had left Patek, a reseller offered Mr. Reardon a pre-owned Ref. 5711 for $13,300.

John Reardon said he loved his Aquanaut, which has a rubber bracelet.

“I didn’t pull the trigger then and it is a decision I will always regret,” he said. “I should have said yes; it was my chance to buy a Ref. 5711.”

Instead Mr. Reardon opted for an Aquanaut, a similar model with a rubber bracelet, which he loves.

A LOVE AFFAIR

The watch that Mr. Bacs, a senior consultant at Phillips, wears almost every day is the Ref. 5711, a timepiece he bought 10 years ago at Patek’s Geneva salon for about 20,000 francs.

“I put it in on, it made a clicking sound and I fell in love,” Mr. Bacs said in an interview in Geneva. “Since then, this has been my universal watch.”

“It has traveled with me many times on every kind of business occasion, on airplanes, on the auction podium, and to every exotic destination I have traveled,” he said.

His passion for the Ref. 5711 began with a Ref. 3700: His mother gave it to his father as a 50th birthday gift in 1983.

“Back then, the Ref. 3700 was the ‘nec plus ultra’ in terms of style and wearability for an everyday watch,” Mr. Bacs said, using an expression that translates as “nothing further beyond.”

He worked his way up through a Ref. 3800, a smaller version of the Ref. 3700, to the Aquanaut, before finally purchasing his Ref. 5711 in 2009.

“Technically speaking, this may be the simplest Nautilus reference, but I like it because it does everything I ask from a watch without going beyond,” he said.

Aurel Bacs, an auctioneer, worked his way up the brand to buying a Ref. 5711 in 2009. © Pascal Mora for The New York Times

“It has the comfort of sneakers with the elegance of a tailored Savile Row suit. It still gives me the same pleasure as on the first day.”

In November, just as Mr. Bacs was about to close the record sale of that Tiffany-stamped Ref. 5711, he said that he saw no waning of the Ref. 5711 craze — and recently, he said his Ref. 5711 will never be for sale.

“After many horological one-night stands, this is the one you keep,” he said. “I can see myself growing old with this one.”

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