#currently wanna redesign Alastor

[bonez-yard]

Careful you two, I heard rumors~

Based off this post:

https://x.com/inglov5/status/1753453130296279254?s=61&t=4astY6Xf0UCJ1UnQYPSWIA

Please do not STEAL/COPY/REPOST my art!!!

[ph-cutie]

one thing ABT hellaverse character designs is that a lotta detractors get hung up on the fact theyre not faithful to their stated inspirations but I think more important is we stop and ask ourselves where the fuck thess motifs even came from +If they hold Relevance to the characters. cause a lotta them are so asspulled its actually a good thing methinks that vivienne didn't follow through on them

particular ones I wanna discuss:

(BEE)LZEBUB

Besides the pun, what is the link between bees and beelzebub? Beelzebub has historically been known as the lord of the flies, flies and bees are not exactly interchangeable especially their human connotations. bees (and, not to name names but every single redesign of this thing ive seen) bring forth images of highly enforced hierarchy, militaristic discipline, perfectly cut hexagons, limited diet, aka fucking everything that Contradicts the initial premise of Lord Of Gluttony, Drunkard Girl. IS IT AN UNSALVAGEABLE IDEA? No I'm sure you could do something with it. Lean into the restlessness of a buzzing hive, or into honey's consumption by humans, as a delicacy. She could whose honey lures and traps flies, or something (fact that her song is about cotton candy given her whole thing is ludicrous btw). But like i dont see the point in going "Vivienne said she's a bee so I'm literally drawing her as a bee" and calling it a day.

HUSK AND WINGS

We do not question enough why the fuck husk is a winged cat. That just came out of nowhere The real reason is that he had wings back in zootopia for whatever reason, but this is the current day. WHAT DO HIS WINGS SYMBOLIZE? A large part of his character is being trapped under Alastor, and yet birds are a symbol of freedom. The show itself doesn't give a shit but we could. He could have his wings clipped or damaged to externalize how his freedom was stolen and also explain why he doesn't fly. Or it could be one of the only liberties he was allowed to keep , in which case the story should have him flying a lot more. Or any other number of things. TLDR YOU CAN'T JUST PUT HUGE ASS WINGS ON A CAT FURRY WITHOUT MAKING IT MEAN ANYTHING (tbh though anyone else think he shouldve been a kitty manticore instead... would be kinda funny and less convoluted. but whatever)

I dont know if this post is coherent I dont wanna sleep on it <3

[icabod-i-s-cariot]

Decently aged wip of me working on a redesign for Alastor before my more recent reimagining concept, early on I only wanted to really alter some concepts with the character while attempting to keep things similar (the most notable change was making his animal a goat instead of a deer — people usually do that for Charlie, but my idea for Charlie and Lucifer has always been to use birds instead of goat imagery) and give him a larger swing and jazz inspiration, one of my notable inspirations was screamin’ Jay hawkins. He was also loosely based on the goat man of New Orleans. There’s a version of this sketch with goat eyes but I’m too lazy rn to grab it. Under cut is some info of my new concept

Ok so I’m order to keep some concepts of Alastor intact while still heavily remixing them, I made him a her. This kills two birds with one stone, as a female led show I think female characters being in the majority of the main cast helps, which will only help with me deciding to give nifty a more prominent role in the cast. My lady’s current name while I work out the details is Alevtina, and she was a famous musician in her life time who disappeared under mysterious circumstances which only heightened the level of her popularity post mortem. I decided to switch her sun with pentious’ in my last post so she is now largely represented by the envy sin. I couldn’t help myself with this I just love making evil women who you lowkey want to succeed in being downright atrocious, eventually I’ll reveal everything about her once I have sketched a few solid concepts with this version of the character, she’s likely going to be the one I focus on rn because I think she’d be the one I have the most reference pieces for (1930s fashion has a lot of results and catalog pictures I’ve found, including hair tutorials and different types of clothes depending on the occasion, that and I’ve saved so much freaky deer shit) and it’s a good chance to work on fem anatomy. After her the character I have the most for reference wise is nifty, I moved her to 1950s France so that I can keep some of the visuals aligned with her clothing, and there’s a lot to read on 1950s French womens wear. One thing I wanna do for each of the characters is solidify small things that they enjoyed in life that have an enhanced meaning after death outside of larger associations already center stage in their characterizations, so right now a lot of this is writing and collecting images and pieces of inspiration.

[mauesartetc]

Hello again! Thank you for the response on the ask, here are my redesigns that I was referring to! I’ve only done three thus far and only one actually has color 😅 color schemes are difficult for me, I must say. I’ll add a few notes on the side, they’re not necessarily the only things I’m looking for criticism on but just a few things I particularly am worried about with them/a bit of thought process.

Alastor (worried a lil about his color values not contrasting enough- I wanted his regular form to seem somewhat approachable from far away but then up close you feel a little more uneasy around him)

Angel (HEAVY W.I.P.- I’m especially iffy on the heart pattern for the outfit fluff and I wanna figure out how to make his general outfit more interesting. For his outfit it’s more supposed to be something that Val or Velvet would’ve put him in rather than something he’d pick out)

Charlie (she’s not much different in terms of sketch, she has some subtle design elements that go with my lore for the Angels in a Hazbin+Helluva rewrite I’m currently working on because I wanted to give something special for the royal heirs of the OG fallen Angels, but without color she’s mostly the same 😅)

Thank ya again for letting me send these! I’ve only rly shown them to friends and wanted to see if I could get some outside feedback as well 😅

(Thank you for your patience on this, dear god)

For starters, if you want Alastor to seem approachable from a distance, you might try some lighter, less-sinister colors for his outfit. Personally, if I saw this guy from across a room, the dark gloves alone would set off alarm bells. Major OJ Simpson vibes. Maybe a yellow, tan, or cream color (white would probably be too formal) would appear friendlier as well as accurate to his time period.

As for the rest of his outfit, I looked up "1930s men's fashion catalog" on good ol' Google Images and found a hefty amount of brown and light grey suits. Maybe something in this wheelhouse would work for Alastor-?

(I also darkened his face a tad for more value contrast with the new colors, and pushed the red on his staff for a more "infernal" look as well as standing out from the gloves.)

Angel Dust is trickier, since we don't know him, Val, or Velvet that well as characters yet. Since the series hasn't been released, we don't know much about what their taste in clothing actually is. (And no, I don't care about the character Instagrams or whatever. Social media doesn't count as canon.)

But I do know Val would probably want to put Angel in something that "sells"; something that makes him more attractive to clients. Something intriguing but not too revealing, that makes them want to see more. I figure a long-sleeved mesh top would fit the bill.

I also found a sexier version with harness rings. Research is your friend, especially when you're looking for something outside the realm of what you normally draw. And you could always make a moodboard with Pinterest or PureRef for a lot of different inspiration sources. Not sure what specifically you meant by "more interesting" as that's a hugely subjective term, but hopefully this is a decent enough starting point.

Okay. Charlie.

Just some notes and tweaks here and there. Not sure what specifically you wanted feedback on with her, but again, it's a starting point.

Hope that helps!