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No, Power Hasn't Been Forgotten
I saw someone on twitter the other day say that Fujimoto had forgotten about Power, they genuinely tried to argue that he has dropped the Blood Devil storyline in Part 2. Obviously I know that most chainsaw man fans aren’t this dense, but the post did get me thinking about the fact that some people aren't really aware of how the Blood Devil storyline is being setup in Part 2, which is crazy because Power has been referenced in every single arc of Part 2 so far.
In the Justice Devil arc, Denji's literal first scene is him saving a cat that is clearly modelled after Power's blood devil form (Not to mention the fact that cats are a motif strongly associated with Power). The idea of Denji ignoring a choice put in front of him to instead save a cat (Power) is definitely some sort of symbolic foreshadowing for future events, though it's too soon to predict exactly how.
In the Endless Aquarium arc, Denji refers directly to Power, clearly showing that he still thinks about her, and In the Falling Devil arc, we literally see Power, manifesting in Denji's flashback. I know it's easy to sort of disregard this as a wink-wink nudge-nudge bit of fanservice to bring back memories of Part 1, but that sort of thing is honestly pretty uncommon with Fujimoto.
Every instance of a side character returning to Part 2 from Part 1 has been preceded by basically no direct references to the character ahead of time. Both Quanxi and Katana Man appear out of nowhere, and Kishibe – who given recent events is almost certainly making a comeback – has similarly received no direct mentions or even allusions yet.
I think the fact that Fujimoto is setting up Power / The Blood Devil so early clearly shows that she is going to be an important part of the narrative.
And finally, in the current arc, when Denji is talking to Pochita in the toilet, Meowy enters and then the scene ends. Meowy is clearly symbolically representing Power here (Meowy has only ever been relevant to the plot in their relation to Power), and is being presented as a clear counterpoint to Denji's assertion that he no longer needs to fight. Not only are there consistent references to Power, but this one – even more obviously than "Save the Cat" – positions her as a crucial narrative piece of Denji's dilemma going forward.
I hope this hasn't all been a bit too obvious, it's definitely possible that most fans have noticed this already, but honestly I just want everyone to be on the same page regarding Power's involvement in Part 2. Not only will the Blood Devil be a major plot point in Part 2 in the future, she already is one now.
#chainsaw man#power#power chainsaw man#csm manga#csm spoilers#chainsaw man theory#chainsaw man discussion#blood devil
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Time to bring the -Makima is literally the perfect Mishanks love child- agenda on tumblr
#one piece#my art#mishanks#makima#chainsaw man#this stupid comic is like 31k+ likes on twitter and it started a 360+ comments powerscale discussion on reddit#I think I deserve an award for that
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fujimoto: yeah denji gets manipulated and assaulted by many women older than him
us: ohhh that’s such a great commentary on grooming!
fujimoto: *hiding his boner* yeah what
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Anime comparisons to non-anime content that I’ve seen:
Konosuba —> It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Spy x Family —> Mr. and Mrs. Smith / True Lies
One Piece —> Looney Tunes
Chainsaw Man —> Scott Pilgrim
Monster —> Hannibal
Attack on Titan —> Dune
Black Clover / Mashle —> Harry Potter
Code Geass —> Game of Thrones
The Promised Neverland —> Chicken Run
DanDaDan —> Regular Show
(Feel free to add any other comparisons you’ve seen)
#anime#anime and manga#konosuba#spy x family#one piece#chainsaw man#monster anime#attack on titan#black clover#mashle#code geass#the promised neverland#dandadan#it’s always sunny in philadelphia#mr and mrs smith#true lies#looney tunes#scott pilgrim#hannibal#dune#harry potter#game of thrones#chicken run#regular show#comparison#anime stuff#anime community#anime series#anime shows#anime discussion
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I'm not done yet, I can't get over Yoru's pose when she calls to Tank and Gun, like a parent reaching for their young child.
Except, y'know. She just killed them.
#okay I'm done now#literally just drew this after I wrote the Mama Hen post lol#blame the tumblr 'for you!' for showing me a csm discussion post#and making me go back and read again and notice things#on a side note I really despise those tennis shoes the main characters wear#doesn't translate well in my style#too detailed#chainsaw man#doodles
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I’m a Gutsca shipper, I can relate to AsaDen shippers current situation. Picture your ship being wholesome and sweet then the author throws in sexual assault. Now everyone's turned against the ship, and you're viewed as the bad guy for still sticking with it. And to add to that misery, the author gave antis fuel to keep the fire going. Now you have to constantly see antis misinterpreting that scene to justify their hatred for the ship. It’s a never ending battle. But still, I have to question the authors - was that sexual assault scene truly necessary? It didn't impact the plot at all. So it just comes across as distasteful and unnecessary.🫠
#chainsaw man#asaden#gutsca#berserk#denji hayakawa#kentaro miura#guts berserk#berserk guts#tatsuki fujimoto#berserk casca#asa mitaka#casca berserk#casca#tw sa mention#tw sa#i hate it so much#like why???#fandom shenanigans#fandom discourse#fandom discussion#smh
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GOOD! I'll now explain a little more about my absence on Tumblr, not that I think it was dramatic, but I did get a few reactions to it (why no analysis of the last chapter? Asks still unanswered).
I wanted to test on Twitter, in fact I was already expecting the conclusions I was going to draw from this experiment, but it all started with a discussion with my twin sister who told me that I had to test to see how my analyses in particular (there's no difference in the way fanarts are received) would be received.
Honestly, my posts went down well and I think it shows that on any platform many people are interested in digging into a manga, but unlike here where people will want to look for opinions on a chapter, posts on Twitter drift towards people who aren't interested (and they have the right).
But the insulting, even misogynistic part, the repeated meme, the often private RT quoted, it's anxiety-provoking.
And even when I wasn't posting, the arguments, the drama, the anxiety-provoking news loops, the nonsense all contributed to my bad mood.
Anyway !!!! I'm going into exam period, so I won't be as productive as usual right away, but I'm going to stay on Tumblr.
Not that I wanted to leave, but I didn't know if I'd be posting on Tumblr AND Twitter
Already time-wise, it's impossible, especially for someone who's trying to limit her addiction to networks.
And one last clarification: all my threads on Twitter were reflections I'd already written here, so you haven't lost any "content".
See you soon <3
Addendum: if I haven't made myself clear I'll probably quit Twitter and only stay on Tumblr!!!!
Another addition: CSM doesn't have the audience the work deserves, not because people don't like the work enough (I don't care about that) but because people refuse to believe that Fujimoto thinks his work, coherently and deeply
#chainsaw man#csm#csm part 2#csm spoilers#feeling a bit like I've wasted time and at the same time not really because I've met some good people#had some good discussions and I'm happy if my posts have been of interest#and my posts on Twitter certainly had more reactions than here but that's not a good thing#I know it may come as a surprise but it's dehumanizing and you quickly feel like a freak#you lose control over your posts whereas here I'm proud of them!
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So there was actually another community I submitted but never heard back from so I am guessing: rejected. It was called Makima's Dogs and I made the icon image myself
Guess it wasnt good enough for staff 😥
#lmao#I knew this was risky but I attempted anyway#since I am so invested in makima I thought I could make a community for makima discussion and meta and fanart but oh well#my art#art#csm#makima#chainsaw man#csm makima
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i feel like a lot of people misunderstand chainsawman and a lot of important moments in it. in chapter ten of the manga we see Denji fight with the leech devil and talk about his dream to feel up a woman, and when everyone is grossed out about it he then challenges the devil to a “dream battle” to prove how important his dream is. he then immediately loses the fight and only survives because of aki. later power let’s denji feel her up and it does nothing for him. a lot of people see this as a haha funny moment where denji is just obsessed with sex, but it’s far from it. fujimoto has a history of complex characters and denji is no different. denji at this point does not understand what love is or what a fulfilling relationship is. A theme of chainsaw man part 1 & 2 is just because you want something doesn’t mean it’s good for you. Chapter 10 is arguably the earliest chapter this theme shows up in and no one talks about it.
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So I guess ultimately my question is why are we assuming that Nayuta specifically meant “Denji belongs to me definitively, and you are trying to take his attention away from me?”
Aside from the fact that narrative misdirection is a thing and that I think it would completely contradict all the themes of the story thus far to just have her be Makima 2.0 and inherently evil...
We don’t actually know if she and Yoru recognize each other or not? Even on a subconscious level. If she does recognize Yoru (and, reasonably, knows how her powers work) calling Yoru a thief could have meant that “You are trying to steal Denji’s spinal cord to make a weapon” or even “You have stolen this random girl’s body to use for yourself.” (Even if she doesn’t know specifically that Yoru is sharing Asa’s body, she might still be able to tell that something weird is going on?)
She’s still a child, she might have just impulsively said the smallest amount of words that would sort-of convey what she was feeling.
I’m not worried yet.
Yet.
#I know people are pointing to the 'don't kiss me in front of her' as evidence of her posessiveness over denji but. she's also a child?#lots of children just don't like seeing kissing in general. especially involving family members. it's also possible that...idk they were#watching a movie once with a kiss scene and she made a disgusted face or something and denji just interpreted that the wrong way#I mean. I know creators like to troll people especially ones who are essentially human cryptids like fujimoto but...he did say that part 2#would be different from part 1. idk he's not a stupid writer I don't think he would go this hard on Themes™ of love and connection and how#they enrich our lives and then backtrack on that? I don't think he would highlight how Things Will Be Different if it didn't mean anything?#MANY THOUGHTS HEAD FULL#I'm still sad we didn't get a discussion between yoru and nayuta about eating crayons I'm thinking too much about that one comic#nayuta#yoru#chainsaw man#chainsaw man spoilers#chainsaw man manga spoilers#csm spoilers#csm manga spoilers#csm chapter 119#(I think that's all of the tags people might have reasonably blocked if they don't want manga spoilers???)
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i think asaden shippers should also find a deeply romantic song from the 80s that describes their situation just like how akiangel shippers did with 'out of touch' by hall & oates
#yall are free to discuss options in tags and replies#bc my mind is blank right now#chainsaw man#asaden#csm#csm part 2
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I don't think fans understand the "Batman beats up poor people' and "Batman could improve the infrastructure of Gotham through money than fighting crime" criticisms. Hell, I don't think people who spout those arguments understand the criticisms themselves.
See, fans take that criticism literally. They'll cite a hundred stories where Bruce Wayne gives money to charities and public funding, or how Batman tries to sympathize with the villains, and how that criticism disregards the actual stories written. Which is true, if taken completely at face value.
However, I feel the criticism is aimed more at a meta-narrative level. Why is the most popular superhero in the world right now- marketed toward children and treated insultingly well by DC and Warner Bros- a rich billionaire who's stories are tailored made toward him beating on people of lower incomes or suffering from exaggerated depictions of mental health problems? With the help of the police? Batman's story is constructed around such ideas, and aspects of his world like Jim Gordon are too fundamental to the character's history to be removed cleanly. It's not something any one Batman writer can solve, and let's be honest, most people would and have rightfully rolled their eyes at the idea of fundamentally altering the character in such a drastic way since he's their escapist entertainment. But- assuming someone actually wants to engage with the idea- it is a topic worth discussing.
To be fair here, I should talk about a more extreme case regarding one of my personal favorite characters. There's been a recent discourse on Twitter regarding to the Captain America. Or rather, the Chainsaw Man artist's rendition of Captain America, a grotesque demon that one user interpreted as a condemnation of America itself. Fans of Cap got defensive, pointing out the Steve Rogers character isn't really like that. Which is true, but misses the point entirely in regards to OP's observation and what a lot of people are saying. The character of Captain America might challenge for progressive values in his actual stories, and he was admittedly created by jewish men who fought Nazis. That's all cool, but consider: why is one of Marvel's flagship characters- one defined by pretty much by his mortal virtue in fact- draped in America's flag? We rightfully condemned when Israel tried to make its own patriotic superhero, but we sort of give Cap a pass no? For a lot of people, America has done a shit ton of harm and view the flag as part of a cynical, corrupt empire that enables their suffering. That's what the OP noticed in the Chainsaw Man mangaka's depiction of Captain America, and one can understand how someone- namely a non-american- wouldn't exactly be swayed by the "he has the IDEALS, doesn't serve the country man" argument.
These criticisms are not at all about the characters, not really. They're more of a broader, societal critique of what those characters represent. It requires a level of nuance and complexity that goes beyond the literal level, disregarding the page to focus on ideas, something that most casual people aren't going to be into. It's tedious as all hell honestly if you're not in the mood! I think the more fans and people understand this, the more we can have a greater understanding and get productive discussion.
#Criticism#Batman#Captain America#Comics#DC Comics#Marvel Comics#Discourse#Chainsaw Man#Discussion#Meta
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You know. I think it kind of flattens Makima's character to presume the limits of her manipulation begin and end with sex appeal. Like even if it's not through the lens of Denji's impressionable teen sexuality, there is in some expectation that those she preys upon are in some manner attracted to her. Within the limits of the narrative that's fine enough since the themes largely involve sex and intimacy in some way. I think the nature of Makima as the Devil of Conquest/Control actually broadens her toolkit when it comes to relationships.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think so long as some form of positive relationship with her is initiated--be it sexual, romantic, familial, platonic or whatever--she has a foothold in a person's psyche enough to influence and subjugate them given enough time. Because the thing is, to her all relationships is a power dynamic in some way, and she's always trying to put herself on top. While a lot of her characterization is indicative of succubi, her nature encompasses all forms of control.
She's the manager who impairs working conditions, pinning it all on corporate and painting herself as just another worker standing her ground. She's the best friend fighting the whole world for you, while always subtly pitting you against it. She's the parental figure, just trying her damnedest to keep you afloat, but you keep wasting it.
Ultimately, I think the only true consistency with Makima's relationships is the end goal. Fostering total dependency.
#chainsaw man#csm#makima#チェンソーマン#csm spoilers#chainsaw man spoilers#you've probably seen the ''makima wouldn't call you slurs'' post that offers another perspective of her character#namely through the lens of a wlw#it's a very good post far more concise and well written than this thing#but i think her nature can be further extrapolated to all relationships#afterall kishibe has outright said that *all* of her relationships were built on this facet#in fact it's been implied that the japanese government groomed her--which i discussed in another post#so i just wanted to share my thoughts that i think even if who she is lies far outside of your sexuality her influence doesn't just fizzle#but that she will still try to find away to place herself above you#makes her more interesting as a character and the abuse that is possible in all kinds of relationships
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For the life of me I can't remember the name of the person I saw that pointed this out (I'm sorry!), but it's a fun little piece that really reminds me of the differences in English and Japanese as a language. Asa using the Kanji for 'die', while Denji only uses the hiragana for it. It's a really great throwaway piece that gives Denji an impressive amount of character, and makes full use of the written medium. I might just end up grabbing a full Japanese set because of stuff like this.
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Just want to point out that, once again, Yoshida has used his powers without us seeing him make any kind of payment.
I’M ONTO YOU FUJIMOTO
#chainsaw man#yoshida hirofumi#csm yoshida#csm#chainsaw man spoilers#csm spoilers#csm manga#SIR WHAT IS YOUR DEAL#IM ONTO YOU#also if I missed a discussion of payment for him#I’m sorry that I’m a moron
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