#canto 8

[sleepyminty]

Cant wait for don ‘was gifted a loving father’ quixote/sancho acting skill put into test against hong lu’s horrendous family

[lu-is-not-ok]

canto 8 name reveal in the anniversary stream hows it going

Oh the gears are fucking turning. I am just now checking out the livestream, but I already looked at the roadmap.

So, here's what little thoughts I can give for now:

The Surrendered Witnessing is absolutely going to have a double meaning to it, just like The Dream Ending did. I'm not yet sure what exactly that double meaning will end up being, but that much is clear to me.

Also from what I've learned from someone in a Discord server, the original Korean title for the Canto literally translates to something along the lines of "I have no choice but to look at it". Welcome back Tearful Thing.

The 'surrendered'/lacking choice part could be alluding to a plot point of Hong Lu being reclaimed by his Family. If I am right about him being a runaway, there is a non-zero chance of Limbus Company quite literally Surrendering Him back to his Family in exchange of the Bough, or something similar.

The whole title overall gives major End of DOTRC vibes where Baoyu just sort of gives up and shit properly falls apart all around him. Unable to do anything but watch.

Then there's the Two in One Daiyu-Baoyu of it all. You could spin the English title in multiple ways, such as Baoyu being forced to Witness Daiyu's Surrender for his sake, or how Daiyu quite literally had to Surrender their ability to Witness to let him live. You could do something similar with the Korean title, in how Daiyu has no choice but to watch without intervention at what is happening to Baoyu within their body, and how Baoyu has no choice but to look at Daiyu whenever he looks at himself.

[caerbannogmochi]

I'm pretty sure everyone remembers how Dante's clock has been moving over time. BUT, there is now an identifiable pattern to its movements, and its associated with the development of the sinners!

During Cantos 1-3, Dante's role in events is one of a passive observer. Gregor, Rodion, and Sinclair all made it through their cantos without much (if any) advice from Dante, the events of which mostly served to establish where they stood as characters/why they behave in the ways that they do.

Canto 4 was where this formula started to change. Yi Sang needed more out of Dante than the previous sinners; There was a Big Issue from his past that was controlling his future (namely, his entrapment in the past caused by the Hot Mess Involving T-Corp And The Mirror), forcing Dante to take on the role of Emotional Support Clockhead to guide him through the Canto. And at the end of the Canto, two things happened:

Vergilius commented on "the look on [Dante's] face"...

... and the clock moved for the first time.

The next 2 Cantos maintained this level of involvement from Dante: Ishmael needed Dante to help guide her away from her self-destructive obsession (I.E, to find "[her] compass [which] was swallowed by the sea" and choose to start "piercing through the rope that strangled [Captain Ahab] and [Ishmael]", freeing her to move toward the future), and Heathcliff needed Dante to help guide him through effectively communicating how much he loved Catherine/engaging in healthy relationship dynamics. (Seriously: the real antagonist of Canto 6 is communication issues.)

Effectively: Cantos 1, 2, and 3 had Dante doing the equivalent of talking with their respective Sinners as they drove their car down an empty street. Pretty casual, nothing major happened. Cantos 4, 5 and 6 required Dante to give directions, help them figure out where they got lost, convince them to pull over, calm down, and eat SOMETHING to get their blood sugar up before continuing toward their destination. More work, but these Sinners received greater rewards.

With Canto 7, the car was inside an IKEA.

Sinclair had to get the doors open. Faust had to find the car, awkwardly wedged in one of the shortcuts between display sections. Gregor, Rodion, Ishmael, Yi Sang, and Heathcliff had to pull Sancho out of the bunk bed in a completely different section of the store, with Ryoshu and Outis bringing their spoils from the marvelously-priced IKEA food court. Hong Lu had to help guide Sancho through getting the car out of the place it was awkwardly wedged, and Mersault held back the crowd. Dante's task wasn't just emotional support, but guidance. Sancho/Don Quixote needed someone to reassure her that there was a way forward, a something worth pursuing. And Dante did wonderfully.

So, is it a surprise that this canto is where the clock moved again?

Don Quixote (Who, as we learned in this canto, is a bloodfiend, like Vergilius) commented on Dante's expression.

And the clock moved.

BUT BETWEEN THESE TWO EVENTS, DANTE MADE THE CHOICE TO SMILE. "like Don Quixote asked me to".

THEREFORE, it is my conclusion that, between the commentary of lu-is-not-okay on Hong Lu's impending mental breakdown (SPECIFICALLY this post, which is the reason for my diatribe) AND the existence of this pattern of increasingly intensive Sinner rehabilitation efforts, Canto 8 will be the mental health equivalent of trying to get Hong Lu off of the car, which is precariously balanced upside down on a fountain, on the third floor of a shopping mall, while being chased by mall security (read: his family).

And it's going to be awesome.

[bagelqaq]

is this anything

[kyuairyeo]

If Smosh has their own fighting game (Anthony and Ian are the boss level type which is why they're not in the selection arena with the others)

[cogito-dreams]

hey guys i. im. thinking about this cg from the tutorial again (sorry for image quality) and

and like. i've always been wondering and Highly Concerned at the fact that hong lu was able to brush off straight up dying so quickly and easily. and. considering Recent Events potentially explaining a bit of this reaction. idk i don't have proper words for this i'm just terrified for canto 8

[femmeslash]

role swap au where other characters from the same source material are the sinners instead. here's my picks

Dongbaek (still out for dongrang's blood)

Gretchen (real sweetheart but easy to manipulate. got kicked out of the nest where she grew up)

Dulcinea (6'1 butch slaughterhouse worker who doesn't know what the hell she's doing here. her name isn't even dulcinea)

The Lord of Horikawa (no one likes him)

Raymond (NO ONE LIKES HIM)

Lin Daiyu (huge crybaby, secretly a freak. kinda like sinclair)

Lockwood (i guess we're going to the house i used to rent, that guy was pretty weird, i wonder how he's — oh my god he got worse)

Queequeg (keeping raymond in line by firmly placing her hand on his shoulder whenever he says something she doesn't like. he is pants-shittingly afraid of her. everyone else loves her.)

Sonya (has beef with the lord of horikawa for some reason and won't answer questions about it. still has the mark of cain)

Dante (dante)

Kromer (currently having insane toxic yuri with daiyu)

Telemachus (looking for his mom and finding a whole lot of sickos instead)

Grete (keeps asking if they can kill raymond)

[0-lcb-sinner]

so. um. anybody else seeing these last lines

[shesmore-shoebill]

Put on the lego stream for background noise while i work only to be so COMPLETELY distracted because Shayne and Chanse kept talking about X-Men, drifting into their own world and Angela responded to this by saying "what if i went missing" to zero response from Shaynse, which sent Amanda into a fit of laughter and now the bit keeps escalating, and SPECIFICALLY. AMANDA KEEPS ESCALATING THE BIT BY SAYING "what if you and i kissed. and then went missing" to angela. REPEATEDLY. what the fuck. she's leaned in. she kept saying it. theyve gotten out of their seats and camped in the corner of the room. shayne and chanse Keep Going. Amangela meltdown in the corner. fever dream.

[jiangshi-art]

Dulcinea! This one turned out great, feels like I'm getting used to CSP, may have gotten a lil over the top with the effects

[kitschietalks]

oh, round and round we go~

[astranauticus]

i don't have the screenshots on hand because this is just a thought i needed to let out after being woken up by my buildings fire alarm at 7am (i am in shambles, thanks for asking) but back at the start of canto 7 i was trying to figure out what in the Fuck hong lu meant by don quixote being 'the most lucid' of the sinners and eventually my read was that she's the one who's most clear on what she wants because hong lu brought up how her eyes are sparkling and the two times dante notes someone's eyes sparkling in that episode (?) were when don talks about saving all the people in la manchaland and when charon says she wants to eat candy at an amusement park, and also this would very nicely mirror the bit in the final sancho fight when dante ruminates about how so far they've been trying to help the sinners out of their issues by figuring out what they want and then promising it to them but with sancho she doesn't want anything because everything she's wanted as don quixote was part of that dream that she's now woken up from (especially with dulcinae talking at length about the difference between sancho and don's eyes)

but like..... there's one other thing about eyes that dante notices in that early episode

so i'm wondering if this is an idea that's gonna come back in canto 8, that dante's old tricks aren't going to work here either because hong lu just doesn't really want anything for himself when he's been living his whole life surrendering (hah) himself to being used by other people for their own goals

[lu-is-not-ok]

"After all, who is the dreamer? Is it myself as I had existed in that dream, or myself who has awakened from it?

Well. Whichever it may be, whether it is a butterfly or not, I guess it will flutter away once again."

[motivation-ga-shinderu]

the price of recognition

[mycherrycola]

I spent a while trying to think of alternate hairstyles to try on Virgil's luscious long hair but all my brain gave me was 'Rapunzel in Tangled (2010)'

[hunterofartemis-8]

JUSTICE. FOR. LIPJ.

BEST IDEA IN THIS WHOLE VIDEO

and i love green smoothie scent angela keep it up