#callouts

[myfandomrealitea]

https://www.tumblr.com/myfandomrealitea/754159647278202880/im-proship-leaning-but-when-other-proshippers-say?source=share

I don't trust "documented evidence" as well, unless it's like in an official website or whatever. it's the mfing internet and people can edit or create fake messages or fake victims. hell, even with the new ai thingy they can create fake videos and pics. who gets to say these are real or not? I am saying this as a victim of fake callout posts who never got believed.

Modern cancel culture and the ability to just throw accusations around and be believed blindly have honestly ruined actual internet safety, accountability and being able to protect yourself and others from both false accusations and real dangerous people.

Its why I take issue with statements like "believe victims no matter what" and "support accusations until they're proven fake."

People have gone to jail for forty years and been proven innocent.

People have been murdered and their accusers have come forward to reveal they made the accusations up.

People have killed themselves over false accusations.

False accusations and blind witch hunting can ruin a person's life for literal decades.

It has absolutely nothing to do with proship vs antiship culture, even though the latter culture is in part what has exacerbated my stance. It has everything to do with the fact that practically weekly there's new news headlines about people milking a dead celebrity's estate with easily disproven claims, or bitter teenagers faking screenshots and falling over themselves to get internet sympathy because their boyfriend broke up with them.

I will always give victims a certain amount of benefit of doubt, but what I won't do is blindly launch a brigade against someone based on claims with no proof or flimsy proof with more holes in it than a festival tent.

[nothorses]

"It doesn't make sense to say "believe all survivors" if we don't also remember that most of us are survivors, which includes most people who cause harm. What we mean is we are tired of being silenced, dismissed, powerless in our pain, hurt over and over. Yes. But being loud is different from being whole, or even being heard, being cared for, being comforted, being healed. Being able to destroy is different from being able to generate a future where harm isn't happening all around us."

- Adrienne Maree Brown, We Will Not Cancel Us, and Other Dreams of Transformative Justice

[euniexenoblade]

I don’t mean this in a nasty way but I think some people who excessively make callout posts suffer from untreated moral OCD. There was this one popular blog who was notorious because they’d constantly make callouts when a user or piece of media became massively popular on this site in the mid-2010s to early 2020s while genuinely believing what they were doing was morally right and I saw they recently said this was the case back then.

As a person with OCD, I do not think that's the case. In the 2011-2014 era I ran in a group of trans people that consistently wrote call outs for others and eventually each other, it's about getting attention, starting drama, and the thrill of winning [what appears to be] a large scale feud. It brings new followers, it gives your writing further reach than expected, plus you get endless support. People who write callouts always end up with endless groups of people telling them how cool they are, how right they are, you're so right that person you hate I also hate. My disdain for callouts largely extends from this circle of people, and because a terf brained loser wrote a call out about me that consisted of "just trust me bro" that everyone took 100% seriously that lost me thousands of followers and the majority of the online friends I had. This call out is almost a decade old and people still believe it about me.

OCD makes it so I scrub my skin till I'm near bleeding, or I freak out if a room is not in an orderly enough fashion, it does not make you plunge yourself into Google docs with the intent of ruining someone's life.

[confessionsofa-roleplayer]

I am going to say it loud for everyone in the RPC here, including folks in the back I've noticed are missing these very important notes. Majority of callouts are inherently BIASED and rooted in a personal opinion of the person(s) who started it. Callouts that have unrelated "evidence" from years ago tacked on, with claims that cannot be proven to be the truth at current day, should NOT be trusted.

Callouts that have only one piece of "evidence" as to why the person(s) dislike their target should NOT be trusted. Callouts with "evidence" of the target already being riled up from hate and harassment from the person(s) making the callout should NOT be trusted. Callouts that encourage any sort of targeted hate and harassment on the chosen target should be a sign to instead AVOID and BLOCK the PEOPLE DOING/ENCOURAGING THE CALLOUT.

Callouts that have any wording about wishing HARM to the target should BE REPORTED TO TUMBLR SUPPORT. Even if the harm is trying to get the target to delete or leave the site. This is proof the people making the callout are acting with planned harassment, and it is against the ToS for the site! All too often there are a lot of callouts that circulate the RPC that I spot that are just rooted in someone's personal beef with another user. They decide to make a post or preference of someone else a personal issue and try to validate their attack on that target. This is toxic behaviour on the part of the people making the "callout"!

They ostracize and try to get others to torment them for them. They send anon hate until that avenue is cut off, and encourage others to do most of the dirty work of this cyberbullying. They're just abusing their following and reach to hurt someone they disagree with because they decided to twist something that wasn't directed at them at all into a personal act. All to justify tormenting that target. Cyberbullying is a criminal offense, and if pushed too far people who make these callouts will discover they are not so anonymous. The targets, the true victims of the actual harassment, in those callouts if pushed too far may seek help from police and legally. Keep pushing them and you might find yourself arrested and facing expensive criminal charges for your actions against them. This has always been a reality and very often comes true.

The RPC activities are meant to be a hobby. Getting bent out of shape over what someone posts that you don't agree with to the point you decide to start harassing them rather than just blocking them is not okay. Stalking them after they block you so you can gather "evidence" is not okay. Helping someone stalk someone who blocked them is not okay. Making a callout to try and get others to join in your harassment of someone you should have just blocked and walked away from is not okay. The victim may have made a bad a post, said a thing you don't like, but that does NOT give you the right to claim they're harassing you when YOU DECIDED to go in for a PUNCH FIRST.

Having people helping you cyberbully that person means you're the problem. People who make these sorts of callouts are NOT the victim. They're the bully/threat/problem. If you don't like what you see on someone else's blog that the thought crosses your mind to harass them first, to make a negative comment, or throw shade about them on anon: BLOCK THEM, MOVE ON AND DO NOT STALK THEM.

Do not vague about them. Do not make a callout about them. Do not get your friends involved in your hate about them. People fuck up and make mistakes all the time, it's part of being human. If you can't approach someone politely to address a concern about something they posted, in a civil way, leave them be and move on with your life.

Don't be an asshole and resort to cyberbullying to ruin their fun through a callout rooted in your personal beef. Don't make that personal issue everyone else's problem to join in on. Don't try to claim anything they react or say AFTER being HARASSED by YOU and your friends directly is evidence of them being such a bad person. JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE. They have likely blocked you and your friends bullying them and clearly want nothing to do with you. Take that hint to move on, leave them alone and carry on with whatever you want to do. Life is too short to be trying to ruin someone else's fun so fervently, especially when they want you and your friends to stay well away from them.

[the-uncanny-dag]

Ok, I know we all hate callout posts, but don’t worry, gang, THESE posts whose function is to call someone out is different. THIS method of pillorizing people on the internet based on some aspect of their online conduct is fine, don’t panic. These ones are never gonna have fascist implications or come from personal vendettas, besties, I'm sure. This time it’s totally cool and fine to try and fix Tumblr's ecosystem by subjecting its users you & your mutuals never heard about to public humiliation and harassment. Believe me bro. These are GOOD callout posts. Trust me

[will-pilled]

PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND, PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT CALLOUT CULTURE, AND PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HATE MOBS PLEASE PISS OFF I DO NOT FUCK WITH YOU!!!!! YOU GUYS KINDA SUCK!!!!! ALSO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN CRINGE CULTURE OF ANY KIND!!!!! PLEASE FUCK OFF!!!!!!! THANKS!!!! (Not a DNI but I'll just block on sight if I see it lol.)

[pet-shop-of-horror-fan]

The people who are truly anti-callouts rarely exist, at least on Tumblr.

Many will say they are anti-callouts, that no one could ever deserve it, that it's cancel culture, that it is harassment, that no one ever does their research, that evidence can be doctored, and so on...

But most of them will turn around and give receipts on how horrible the people giving the callout are, with more than enough running actual harassment campaigns.

Tumblr will forgive anything, except giving callouts, unless of course the person getting the callout did one first, then it's justice.

When I first found the All-Callouts-Bad crowd, I thought they were just enablers because it's easier than putting in the work to see if the callouts are right or not. But many of them will put in work so most of them are not lazily defending the status quo, they are aggressively defending it.

[aethycom]

Callouts

We've watched firsthand how callouts have destroyed people lives. Anyone on the internet has seen the witch hunts that spawn from them and the damage they cause. Oftentimes they're filled with mistruths or overstatement of harm. Some people get callouts over drawings. Some people get callouts over having friends that someone else doesn't like.

But what about the cases where someone is abusive? Where perhaps the person holds abusive ideals related to consent or hold violent beliefs?

Honestly, we still believe the culture of callouts needs to stop. Aethy is known for being tough on predators so we understand firsthand the frustration with predatory people on the internet. But callouts will never be the way to properly handle them. When encountering actual predatory people, the solution is never to signal boost them and their spaces. The solution is to always report and block them.

At Aethy, we do everything we can to prevent predatory people from interacting with us. We quickly remove their accounts from our site or disable federation with locations that platform them. We also take the time to notify governing bodies of their existence and do everything to provide proper information to have these people removed from the internet.

Callouts achieve the opposite of this. They quickly spread between well-meaning people who want to show their disdain. However, they also have the opposite effect of allowing more people to discover their existence. It allows abusive spaces to start becoming mainstream. It allows people to be manipulated into genuinely harmful belief systems. People who hold progressive beliefs have seen their families become manipulated by violent conspiracies from Q-Anon. We've watched as transphobic discourse has wormed its way into unrelated groups of people (e.g. the Harry Potter fanbase). And we've seen it time and time again with spaces related to minor attraction that push for romantic and/or sexual contact between adults and minors (i.e. abuse).

People need to stop signal boosting this content. They need to stop making it more well known.

We completely disallow callouts on Aethy. At best, they're full of mistruths. At worst, they signal boost genuinely harmful people and spaces. There's just no place for them on our website and we don't believe they have a positive impact on social media in general.

[trollcallout]

Callout post for GrumB)lr user weeklyhorrorscope, aka Chittr user horrorscopicPrecision.

We all know WH / HP, real name Deidre, from her popular horrorscope posts (and the B)rawl that got posted to Tricktok), B)ut I B)elieve there may B)e something more sinister B)ehind her persona.

HP has B)een following Chittr user astronomicTerror for several perigees now, long after they stopped posting horrorscope hoofB)eastshit and started posting music critiques aB)out our glorious Empress. Pictured B)elow are some of AT's cheets, so you know what I'm talking aB)out. She claims to B)e a B)ig fan of )(IC's music, B)ut doesn't even take the time out of her night to reply to these cheets, report them, or at the very least B)lock the account.

On her GrumB)lr account, she also claims to make "weekly" horrorscope posts, B)ut hasn't held up to that promise in many wipes.

Altogether, HP is a lying fraud who doesn't keep her promises. Is she really the kind of troll you want to B)e following?

[angelprickandholysemen]

ppl who dig into transfem's private sex lives to find icky kinks to "expose" as indication of being a sexual predator are the queer moral economy version of trade and/or johns

[hulk-]

Stop! Before you reblog that post that made you angry, ask yourself: could it be a rage farming or smear campaign post? Is it possible the OP is trying to mislead you into responding angrily and immediately, to get likes and reblogs from you?

Is the content really that bad?

Are there other explanations for the content besides "the target did it intentionally"?

Is it possible the target made an honest mistake that is being magnified?

Did anyone try to discuss the problem with the target in good faith first?

Could you attribute ignorance to the target's actions, even if the post attributes it to malice?

Is it possible the poster saw something they personally dislike, or has beef with the target, and wants to retaliate using a mob?

Is it possible the poster is bored and wants engagement, and knows outrage culture is the best way to get it?

Is the post worth spreading even if you're risking ruining an innocent person's reputation?

Is there a source for the claims? Are you sure that's a valid source? Is there an implicit bias in the source? If there are screen captures, did you actually read the screen captures too, not just the post text? Are the screen captures doctored? Have you checked this for yourself? Is there an agenda being pushed by the poster?

And, what prompted the post in the first place?

[roonienoonie]

No one else has made something like this so im going ahead:

Reblog this if you will NOT give a platform to callout culture and refuse to let it hurt innocent and/or marginalized people anymore.

[coulsonlives]

Just gonna say it: namedropping someone in a callout, then telling people 'not to harass them', is like dropping a lump of meat into a group of hungry dogs and saying 'don't eat the meat or stare longingly at it'

It's just empty, 'my intentions are good i prommy uwu' lip service to mask the actual intention of the callout: which is either to ostracize someone, actively harass em via proxy, or both

[confessionsofa-roleplayer]

So hey guys, can we maybe not make callouts over a singular instance of something someone personally dislikes that gets blown out of proportion? Let alone trying to tack on something unrelated from years ago to attempt to add some sort of validity to the damn callout? The damage this shit does to the target of the callout is nothing short of catastrophic and it is in fact bullying on the target of the callout. If the people calling for the callout are clearly block-evading their target, vaguing about them and making a lot of wild assumptions about what sort of person their target is while using galvanizing words like "bigot" (which is misused a lot by people to get stupid support from people acting like sheep) is a sign the people making the callout are the actual toxic ones. Ostracizing someone you dislike from a community for a singular post that you disagreed with, let alone anyone who aids or abides by the actions of the people making the callout, is not okay. Whatever damage some fucking idiot perceives from that singular post that wasn't directed at them personally that they use for their petty callout is nothing compared to the damage their callout does to their victim. If the person making the callout is clearly block evading their target, vaguing about them, making wild assumptions about the target, spreading a lot of clear information, telling their followers to harass that target and even wishing for their target to delete/leave or be harmed over a singular post: THEY ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT THEIR TARGET IN THEIR CALLOUTS. You should never believe just any callout that has little to no evidence to support it. Let alone you should never believe a callout from someone who clearly is blowing a situation out of proportion and aiming to harass their target. Assisting someone like that makes you a damn bully too, and when you realize later that you bet on the wrong horse you're going to find that person you wrongly blocked will have you permanently cut off. People who have half a brain to notice how a callout is just petty and being done to torment someone that the OP of the callout doesn't like will block the OP and supporters involved. They'll block the people who don't admonish the behaviour. These might be people you want to interact with that have decided they don't want to deal with you for helping in tormenting someone that OP just personally dislikes and wants to bully. You might only find out about them later when you realize you're blocked by them but see their promo or carrd. If you don't think you can handle any negative judgement that will come back to bite your ass for supporting a hasty callout, then block the person making the callout and move on. Consider talking to the person being called out too to find out the actual truth of their side of the situation. Only listening to someone who instigated the situation and is using buzz words/terms to slander their target will bite you hard in the ass later. This is a communication based hobby, and honestly seeing adults act like fucking elementary school kids on the playground with a game of telephone to ruin someone they dislike over a singular thing gets really old. We're all capable of properly communicating and thinking for ourselves. Stop just following the word of the damn wolves who only peaked in high school.

[chaos-in-one]

Okay been seeing arguments over blocklists and callouts a lot lately, mainly in syscourse so here's my 2 cents

Most of the time neither are helpful. They lead to drama being prolonged and made worse, toxicity being spread, misinformation at times, harassment (both of the person on the blocklist/callout and sometimes the creator of it), and a lot of other toxic bullshit, and, on top of that, rarely change very many people's opinion on the person.

So here's the guidelines I go by for whether or not it is responsible or reasonable to make something like that for someone:

1. Is the person directly causing tangible harm to others?

Yes a person can be indirectly harming a person or sometimes it could be argued that a person is the cause of another being hurt, but if it is either of those situations, making that kind of post on them will simply stir up drama, cause arguments, etc. And sometimes a person's ideology can be harmful (would be indirectly harmful in most cases as it can lead to someone being hurt but they are not directly trying to hurt any specific person), but making a callout for 1 person based on ideology also ignores the root problem: the ideology. There are most likely many others that share their ideology. Singling a specific one of them out will give their entire group fuel to add onto existing issues even more, it does more harm than good.

2. Are you mentally equipped to handle possible backlash for the post?

If the answer is no, DO NOT DO IT! Do not risk your own safety and wellbeing for this! If the 1st guideline is met but you are not equipped to handle it, try to find someone else who is to help!

3. Is the victim of the situation you?

If you are not the one who was hurt by the persons actions: ask the person/people affected if they are okay with you making the post before you make it. If they say no, respect that. They, as the victims, are the ones most at risk for being attacked in the aftermath. Same goes for if you are also a victim but want to share that other people where hurt too. And once again, if they say they don't want it, leave them out of the post. Period, end of story.

4. Consider who all will be put in danger, both by posting it and by not posting it

It is so very important to weigh the consequences of your actions, especially in serious situations! If posting the callout/blocklist will endanger more people than not posting it will, don't do it. At that point you are not being helpful.

5. Make sure you have all the *correct* information on the situation to the best of your ability

Not spreading misinformation is so important. If you are not sure you know what is going on or if things have changed, check. If you can't then either don't post it or make it clear that you are not sure on something so you don't spread assumptions as facts.

6. Consider if the person has apologized (and, more importantly, if they stopped)

If the person has already apologized and improved on their behavior, leave it the fuck alone. Brining back an already fully resolved issue unnecessarily stirs up old issues and restarts old toxicity that would have stayed gone otherwise is not worth it. If they haven't changed or they didn't apologize that's a different story (mainly with the former, the apology depends, sometimes even if they didn't apologize stirring it back up isn't worth it).

Often times rather than do something with all these risks and potential to get people hurt, you can simply let individual people you think will agree with you know that the person did something you don't agree with. It causes so much less problems, I can assure you.