#but we get ftpttp

[horohoros]

Ok i don’t want to be that bitch I’m absolutely going to be that bitch

But they removed so much from the setlist. ReMOVED FAITH AND JESUS HE KNOWS ME... and no DATHOML? Griftwood? Twenties? Only one Infestissu song? Only 2 Opus songs? why so many Meliora songs?

[nocturnal-birb]

In summary of the first US tour, here's what we got before and during:

Popia (black robe) plushie merch

Ghoul Impera mask

Pink ghooty shorts

The Ghost archives (x)

Gold suit

No military jacket and impera vest

In heat jokes

Absolution and FTPTTP are added

Copia getting on his knees during Absolution

Faith, JHKM, and Hunter's Moon are removed

Copia on his knees during Watcher in the Sky

Someone threw a water bottle at Copia or on stage

Appearance of Kevin cleaning confetti

Swiss and Aurora together on one stage time to time

[blackbird5154]

In my hc the Square Hammer music video is a Terzo's dream. A dream which transforms into a nightmare, an anxious foreboding of imminent death.

Because, you know, it has a logic of a dream. Strange images, psychological defenses, a chaotic scenario, the shadow archetype.

Ok, I'll try to explain. In the beginning we can see Papa enjoying his glory. The crowd loves him, paparazzi are taking photos of him and so on. He's a STAR. But then the movie starts and something gets out of control. The scenario goes the wrong way.

Papa looks scared when Mysterious Spectre tells: “Here, our father takes his final rest” and the coffin opens. He's AFRAID of the returning of Nihil. The coffin obviously should contain Nihil's body but it's empty because psychological defense blocks a frightening image and replaces it with another object. Because the mechanics of a dream works this way.

The square hammer.

Maybe Terzo has heard somewhere that when the Pope dies he is tapped in the head with a little square hammer to verify that he is really dead.

Then, MS tells the guy that he must inherit the power of his father. The guy takes a square hammer in which the lightning strikes. And then the nightmare starts. MS comes off the screen, acting like a shadow archetype - Terzo's rejected part - the thought about the end of his rule/his death. MS hounts for Papa. Terzo is outraged. He leaves the theater (not runes btw but walks out with dignity). But MS continues to chase him outside the building. Papa looks at him with a shine in his magical eye: he is ready to defend his mandate. Then the dream breaks off - it becomes too scary, and Terzo just wakes up.

It is interesting that the power of the hammer is electricity. Remember that it's the same power which Papa III gets in the FTPTTP music video, in the very beginning of his rule. By now Copia owns this power - we see it on the Imperatour posters and in the 15 chapter. His lightning is not green but blue.

The SH music video shows Terzo's internal conflict. Not wanting to leave he denies the obvious. He is running from himself.

@gerardwaygirlmoments @moonknightismyhero

[ciricesghost]

I made a list of reasons why I think TF will off Copia sometime next year, and also reasons why I think he'll be around for longer because I just can't make up my mind. I'm rambling here, I've had this in my drafts for a while and just took notes whenever I thought of something. Most of this is just heavy speculation and probably doesn't make any sense!

OH LAWD IT'S COMIN':

✞ Copia acts paranoid on stage.

✞ Seemingly does things he doesn't have control over, as shown when he fingered the mic stand at a show and then immediately looked shocked at his own actions and stomped away.

✞ Hallucinated the creepy twins for whatever reason.

✞ He's won the second most employee of the month awards. Meaning who's #1? Was he deliberately made #2? Is the next Papa going to be the one that's won most awards?

✞ All Papas get switched out, that's just how it goes. Tobias has said that he'd keep Copia for longer than the other Papas, for 5 or so years. And he has, next year will be the 5 year mark.

✞ Papa IV said all good things must come to an end after the tour. And we all know Tobias is a sucker for double-meanings. He also says something similar in ROTS:

I'll be the shadow, you'll be the light, nothing ever lasts forever, we will go softly into the night

✞ There's been hinting at revival of one of the papas. The band t-shirt portraying Papa I, II & III which they called return of the living dead. Then the FTPTTP music video! Where Terzo really just rises from the dead, dressing into his papal attire and makeup. Terzo's foot also twitched in the Chapter Three video. They probably did this for shits and giggles but it's worth mentioning. I don't really see how he might come back from the dead after literally being beheaded but it's Ghost! So who knows!

✞ The Spillways music video quoting the bible verse. It says “I loathe my very life; therefore I will give free rein to my complaint and speak out in the bitterness of my soul".

✞ The Chapter 13 video. The Saltarian mentions the european summer tour. Lyrics from DATHML; When the summer dies, severing the ties...

The entire song is very soothing and bittersweet. Like Copia is comforting us. He repeats the lyrics I'm with you always. And at the end we're hit with; And all this time you knew, that I would put you through; the darkness at the heart of my love for you.

It's like he's saying that we've always known that one day he'll be gone, but we cared for him anyway. The darkness at the core of his love is the fact that it can never last.

The Saltarian told Copia it's sometimes more sane to remain in bliss. That feels like a hint to the audience to stop worrying about Copia and just tag along for the ride. This message could be taken any way really but I choose to interpret it as an 'enjoy it while it lasts' type of thing.

In that video, we can also see that Copia looks older. His hair is graying. His clothes on tour are also torn and ripped.

✞ The lyrics in Hunter's Moon;

I'm comin', I'm dying to see you one last time together

IT MIGHT NOT BE COMIN' (yet):

✞ Girlboss Imperator really likes him and wants him to succeed. She fought tooth and nail for him to become Papa. It's also heavily implied that she is his mother. She's quite unpredictable and manipulative though so the fact that she's his ma could be either good or bad/make no difference.

✞ Copia possibly knows what might be coming for him. The others didn't, they never expected to be offed (I think?). He thus knows what's at stake, and either makes sure he's still useful and valuable to the clergy, or he just chills out and has fun while it lasts until he inevitably dies (or goes nuts from the pressure).

✞ Tobias has said that he doesn't want to be repetitive (ie maybe not kill off all papas?). And now that we're all actively worrying about Copia and expecting him to die after the tour next year it feels like he might do something we do not expect.

✞ He's a damn good Papa, he's still relatively young compared to the others and there is no known next of kin or otherwise to pass the mic onto.

✞ Somehow this feels important; Papa Nihil was alive during the Papa Slaughter™. He's a ghost now, which may or may not change things in terms of how the lore progresses.

✞ Copia is different from the other Papas. Where the others were from the direct bloodline and got their titles practically handed to them, Copia has actually worked for it and earned it.

✞ There's been some talk of Copia being the antichrist.

✞ I have a feeling Tobias might gonna throw a curveball at us like kill him off just to revive him later. Papa Nihil did it, why not Popia?

✞ Covid stole 2 years of tours and thus potentially stalled the progress they could've made that Tobias is going to make up for now.

✞ They only recently released Impera. The album cycle may take longer to complete than til' next summer. They haven't even done all the songs on tour this year. They'll probably do the European tour and then USA again before any big changes.

✞ Copia will be replaced eventually for sure, but he might not be killed off. He's not Papa by blood. All the others were, and they died thus ending the bloodline, which was the point. Papa Nihil was the last known 'true' Emeritus alive to pass down the genes. Unless peepaw really is Copia's father. Point is that so far there really isn't any known reason so far for him to die just yet.

[lurkingkisiel]

If I may chime in - refusing to fit into Sister's plans signs Terzo's death warrant, something he presumably knows and either ignores or hopes he'll be able to outsmart her when the time finally comes (so, perhaps not exactly "killing oneself" suicide, but "causing one's own defeat" suicide?)

And, in my opinion, we have yet to see the resurrection part. Yes, in FTPTTP he becomes Papa after, but this could mean that he comes back powerful enough to get rid of her and take control of the clergy (he does stand on top of the world at the end of the video after all). "The light belongs to the people" probably means that he turns the clergy into a place it's supposed to be - not conquering the world, but rather bringing enlightenment

Just an observation. Sis is obsessed with conquering the world.

I just put it all together. She criticized the first Papas for not getting a single president on their side. She criticized the Third for getting carried away by fame and "straying from the Path". The final album is dedicated to the Empire. The tour ended with the phrase "Empire is built", when Ghost played on almost every continent. If you read their Instagram, you can see that Sis has a boner for the phrase "world-wide".

And then I remembered she's fucking IMPERATOR!