#but the insistence on calling ''terfs'' nazis?

[witchytakes]

John Money: He literally believes that gender is made up bullshit which you can impose to anyone and it would work, spoiler it didn't, he was a huge transphobe, his stufy backfired and even proved that the guy literally had the same experience as a trans person being forced to be the sex they are born, but TERFs insist the guy was on our side, seriously, he would be a conversion therapist nowadays, he would work in the Cass review

"TERFs are fascists who need everyone to fit into the male or the female box" Yeah you guys believe that the sex determines your fate, if you have a dick you would be a man forever, if you have a vagina you would be a woman forever, your gender abolition is just gender 2.0, in fact you don't want people to be free to be themselves, yeah PCOS are intersex, what's wrong with that, we don't say she's less a woman, she is a woman, she can identify wherever she wants, and you guys would still get in the way of the PCOS person if they transition

"TERFs align with fascists" but y'all are the ones with the Big Pharma billions paving your way: The reality is that doctors are literally profting out of not transition The so called trans lobby would get less profit if they actually helps trans people, where the trans made madicine? We literally took your birth control meds to transition, and yeah you guy side with them, Janice Raymond sided with Jesse Helms in 1981 to ban transition in US, Kellie Jay Keen is literally helped by neo nazis, Chloe Cole have neo nazis as security, Julie Beck works with The Heritage Foundation, Cathy Brenan the same, I can list with proof, while you guys can only point out a conspiracy theory that has no backing at all

"TERFs are Nazis" but the "first ever transgender surgery" on "trans woman" Lillie Ebe, Kellie Jay Keen as I said, yeah there's bad trans people, who can guess, you're taking bad trans people as a representative of the activists of the movement, you're literally saying we're an ideological group instead of people, that's where you can get closer to nazis ideologically, it's the same logic I say that you are nazi because Eva Braun existed, but i didn't need, just show Kellie Jay Keen and Jennifer Bilek, she was the one responsible for the big pharma conspiracy theory and she is a huge antissemite and a proud TERF, now list a single trans activist who's a nazi, I'll wait

"TERFs are all white supremacists": Nowadays TERF and Radfem are different things, look on how much TERF field is dominated with conservative GC's who call themselves TERFs, even Rowling herself who is a huge liberal is on that count, "but they aren't true terfs" they still call themselves that way and are the majority of the TERF demographic, good luck trying to get that changed, nowadays TERF ideology is mainly british based and even the ones who are tokenized from third world countries are also the same ideology as the brit ones

in 2019 you guys pretended to be left wing, 4 years later there's literally conservatives saying they are conservatives and TERFs, 4 years later a TERF quoted the Big Lie on a TERF rally, 4 years later neo nazi showed on support of the TERFs, 4 years later a proud boy was on the side of the organizer, I can't wait for your next 4 years

The elusive "TERF" is actually just a mirror

All its devotees know is projection. When I started this blog in late 2020 I more frequently used the tag #DARVO in action to start keeping track of the blatant lies TRAs spew that are really just a tell about their crowd (DARVO = Deny Attack Reverse Victim Offend, a strategy used often by DV abusers) and I just have to start making this cumulative post because:

They're now saying John Money was a radical feminist. Lmfao 💀 The male cracker extraordinaire (we don't even think males can be feminists let alone human most of the time) most responsible for the word gender's mistranslation as something that describes human behavior rather than the behavior of languages (most of which aren't even English), the idiot torturer who's a major reason the intersex community has to guard itself so fiercely against "normative" surgeries, who once claimed that anyone skeptical of his "girl = pink, boy = blue, I must fix anyone else" theories actually just believed that "masculinity and femininity are baked into the genes and women should get back to the kitchen" (sound familiar? What are "TERFs" always being accused of?) Like bro that's you

"TERFs are fascists who need everyone to fit into the male or the female box" actually gender abolition would mean no more boxes besides the purely categorical chromosomal ones we can't help from birth, and actually trying to force everyone to fall somewhere on a scale of femininity and masculinity and positing intersex conditions as the "middle" creates an unnecessary dichotomy amongst particularly females, where a woman born with PCOS is considered "less female" than one without regardless of how she "identifies," and the more "masculine" you are (whatever that even means) the more your body requires meds and surgery.

"TERFs align with fascists" but y'all are the ones with the Big Pharma billions paving your way so lol sorry not sorry but as a Negro it's giving the way they used to experiment on us for profit, refine their methods for research and leave us for dead or permanently disabled. And y'all think it's empowering? You think they actually care that you're personally fulfilled? You think they won't pull another Henrietta Lacks? You think all these detrans people are just flukes? They'll take your thousands of dollars until you're in debt and pump you full of more dubious "treatment" as long as it means they get to keep quietly going home to their white picket fences where all their loved ones are fine pretending they're heroes rather than profiting off others' pain. What is fascism if not allowing the medical establishment to "correct undesirables"?

"TERFs are Nazis" but the "first ever transgender surgery" on "trans woman" Lillie Ebe was performed by literal fucking Nazi Erwin Gohrbrandt who believed "mentally ill people were considered 'feeble-minded' (this was an actual, formal term) and homosexuals were considered to also be 'feeble-minded' and have inferior genes." Fun fact, Lillie was also a fucking Nazi.

"TERFs are all white supremacists" but everyone I just mentioned up there is a fucking white supremacist and not even Google agrees with you there, searches for the word TERF are done almost entirely in Western nations like the US and UK, whereas searches for radfem are balanced worldwide and in fact an African country is #1 on one of those lists, and you can't argue that those searches are by TERFs themselves because "try Googling TERF right now and seeing how many if any positive references show up"

I have more after 4 years lol but lemme cook

[fleetsparrow]

"The de-gendering of language isn't the fault of trans women."

- Yes, I'll agree. I don't know that I've ever seen–

"We need to bring back gendered language."

- I mean, we don't have to unsex me here everything, we could just make things more inclusive, if longer to say instead of–

"It's nonbinary AFAB people who've ruined social justice language!"

- OK, I'm not 100% sure on your citation there, because it's really seemed more like over correction on–

"Terfs are more feminist than those nonbinary AFABs!"

- OK, see, you almost had it there.

[animentality]

Can I also point out the irony of terfs insisting I don't "understand" them?

Why would I try? They literally call me a pedophile if I disagree with them and insist I should kill myself and that I'm a misogynist.

The irony of terfs insisting that no one will have an honest dialogue with them...as they accuse everyone but themselves of being pedophiles.

You can't have a fucking dialogue with people who are absolutely insane. It's like trying to talk sense to a Trumper or a Qanon conspiracy theorist.

What's the old adage, that you can't win a fight with a moron because he'll drag you to his level and beat you with experience?

No terf on this website or any other website has ever wanted to actually discuss gender and sex, and was open to debate that could change their mind.

I won't give you a chance because you aren't giving me a chance either. You and I aren't going to change each other's minds, so why should I even engage with you?

I also understand you just fine. You think biology is destiny and you can't accept that gender is a human construct that has changed every single day that human beings have been alive.

You side with white supremacists and patriarchal conservative men whenever you can.

So you'll never convince me to hate trans women. Or trans men. You'll never convince me that nonbinary people don't exist.

You don't deserve my time or my attention.

So go cry about it in your circles and go live the rest of your life in perpetual fear, anger, and loneliness.

I won't argue with neo Nazis who think that non white people are inferior to them, and I won't argue with patriarchal men who think women are inferior to them.

I won't argue with terfs who think trans women are all pedophiles.

Especially not here.

This is where I come to mess around.

You've really got nothing good in your life if all you do here is harass trans people. Like go get a hobby, dude. Any hobby.

[canonizzyhours]

Re 171 (preemptively fuck terfs and Nazis op no longer engages with the Harry Potter fandom but it is a part of fandom history)

Yeah this happens like, all the fucking time. Kylo Ren and Severus Snape are the most famous examples of shitty white guys in fandom who have or had an obsessive standom that insists they've never done anything wrong ever and woobified the shit out of them. There are many many many others I just use those two as examples because they're incredibly indicative of like an archetype that Izzy follows to a T. Shitty white man is broody, bears grudges, has anger issues, is given little or no depth, dresses in black, has no friends, allies themselves with or is part of a fundamentally bigoted force because they feel a certain type of way about the good guys (be they his own parents, the main character's parents, or the main character himself). He amasses a standom and then later he gets revealed to have some depth because he got such a solid reaction that the creators feel like they should do something fun with him, the standom starts to feel vindicated, and then he fucking dies because of course he dies and the standom implodes. MASSIVE bonus points on these guys if they're kind of an incel for some reason. They love to go "oh but Snape was in love with Lily" "oh but Kylo was in love with Rey" "oh but Izzy was in love with Ed" and it's super fucking creepy every time they do it. A lot of people in a lot of desperate fandoms really genuinely think that being in love with someone who doesn't like you back justifies being a shitty boss/middle manager, murder, calling the British Navy on a crew that's 50% non white and 100% pirates and sodomites, domestic abuse, bullying children, torture, and being a fucking Nazi (non exhaustive list of things fannish types have justified by saying but he was in love). Like there's differences between these characters obviously, Izzy didn't join up with the navy he just made a deal with them and also he was well written unlike the other two, JK Rowling genuinely thinks that Snape did nothing wrong because shes actually kind of a fascist, Rey ended up sort of half way getting with Kylo because their whole writing strategy was fanservice, but ultimately this is a well known type of Blorbo: the greasy incel we make excuses for. There's more of them these assholes are prolific I'm just listing the two everyone knows about and the one this blog is about.

#175.

related posts: #171

[gayleviticus]

I didn't really notice this before but it's interesting how in the dispute over whether Jesus is casting out demons because he himself is on the devils payroll in Matthew 12 - there's the famous bit about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which lots of people get hung up on (and understandably so, esp if you struggle w scrupulousity and OCD - very inflammatory thing to put in the Bible @ God).

but Jesus then goes on to talk about good and bad fruits, and this line struck me: "Either make the tree out to be good and its fruit good, or make the tree out to be rotten and its fruit rotten; for the tree is known by its fruit."

you can kinda sense his frustration here. "make up your minds! either I'm doing something wrong or I'm not; can we not try to claim that I have some evil hidden ulterior motive that makes all the good things I'm doing secretly bad."

now sure, there are circumstances where people can do or support good things for bad reasons (nazis using anti Zionist sentiment as a dogwhistle; terfs making a song and dance about feminism - altho id argue neither of these groups are particularly 'doing' good things just hijacking them, but there are also just homophobic conservative churches that do run soup kitchens and food banks and yet that doesn't counterbalance the bad they do) or do bad things for what they perceive to be good reasons. but seems like what Jesus is talking about is again his old maxim of judge trees by their fruit; don't decide a priori that since X person is wrong therefore everything they do is tainted with wickedness.

blasphemy of the Holy Spirit happens when people see God at work doing good things and decide, in order to preserve their preconceived ideas about the way things are and what's good and bad, to call good evil.

and I think the reason that's an 'unforgivable' sin isn't necessarily because it's a particularly heinous one, but because it fundamentally warps your ability to interpret the actions of God. If you see God's goodness and mercy and grace at work in the world and decide well actually that's the Devil - how are you supposed to ever break out of that and truly recognise God? it's like when someone is hyped up on flat earth, creationism, anti vaxxer, protocols of the elders of Zion conspiracy theories; they've kinda destroyed their ability to even consider any alternative simply by loudly insisting any counterpoint is propaganda, any evidence to the contrary is fabricated, science itself is a hoax. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the same; people have destroyed any external benchmark (such as the harm and suffering being created) for judging their interpretations of scripture and faith.

and I can't help but think a bit on queer christians (as usual; I need to start finding other topics to get on my soapbox about), bc when we offer the fact that gay relationships or gender transition cultivate love and joy and peace and kindness and goodness, we get very much the same answer as Jesus' critics gave. "Pff. It's the work of the Devil." People a priori reject the good and life giving things we find in queerness because they don't want to deal with the implications of that. and so we get people insisting that bad trees can bear good fruit.

now in fairness they often do try for consistency and insist that actually this good fruit is a hollow lie and truly LGBTQ people are suffering underneath from living against God's will. but I think this view is losing its power bit by bit bc people understand it's asserting ideology over reality. it's a hard sell and not an intellectually serious position. either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad

[drenchingblood]

hello! you can call me cecci.

i’m 25yo. pronouns she/her. i’m bissexual and a switch.

you can send me asks, questions, private messages… whatever. i’m always open to make friends. just have your age in bio or pinned.

do not send me pics/nudes without consent and/or waiting for a “reward” (self pic). you will not have it. i do not share pics or any social media of mine. do not insist. i’ll f*cking block you.

here’s a safe space for my beloved trans community 🏳️‍⚧️🤍

there’s no place for terfs, homophobes, misogynists, fatphobes, racists, zionists, nazis or any kind of stupid people here.

and just a little reminder that i’m a person. don’t forget to be respectful.

you can hear me here.

[minors do not interact.]

[rametarin]

Angry about something

Please, please, please, let movements be horrible on their own without saying, "The're the [previous thing] of [subject]"

We don't say the Nazis were the modern Napoleonic Imperialists. We don't say the Napoleonic Imperialists were their day's Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. We don't say Muslim pirates and abductors from Tripoli cruising Europe for slaves and conquests were "totally Trans Atlantic Slave Trading it." Muslims were abducting Europeans for slave applications for centuries before Europeans did it for

And when people talk about modern day Intersectional Feminists, capital P Progressives and oldschool TERF-flavor feminists get nasty in accordance with their values all over a pasttime, a hobby, or a group of people that enjoys something and tells them they're doing it wrong thanks to a VERY unreliably narrated assessment of what they are and why they are, they tend to treat their behavior as if it's the same stock mindset of previous experience related to Christian puritainism and religious evangelism.

Don't fucking do this. Their values are not the same. They come from a different place, and you doing this helps them do something they SPECIFICALLY like to do. First, muck around acting like assholes in self-righteous quests to control how people interpret reality and see things, and when called out for it, have their own controlled mea culpa where they apologize because, "that's just the old Christian White Supremacist in me, the feminism part of me isn't like that and can't be like that because feminism is just good and can't be bad. I'm sowwy. :C"

No. Fucking no. Do NOT fucking allow that to happen. Feminism is not a simple act of seeing women as equal, it's an entire dogmatic baggage that necessitates Class Struggle Theory, the willful adoption of the idea the only thing that matters in sexual politics is that "Women Are Oppressed (TM)" even when circumstances and culture are entirely equal and even handed with them, and that society owes them something to compensate for this inherent oppression- at the expense of men. And that Society is the third wheel in their relationship, automatically there to redistribute from the man.

Feminism bills itself as simply a phenomenon of 'equality'... for women.. but it is no more this than Christianity is synonymous with The Good(tm). It certainly is a shitty way to see the world, but it is not the definition of seeing the world. It boils down to making some very very intensely specific logical leaps and shortcuts out of convenience and then dogmatically insisting these values are immutable and unquestionable.

From that position, we come to the other little black box in the equation. The idea that something that exists in culture that represents an icon or concept, oppresses and exploits that icon, object or group, and that it is specifically wrong to objectify that, but only if it's a woman, a group that is "oppressed." (it's however perfectly justifiable to objectify an 'oppressor.' See how that works.) Right before they say some apologetics like, "It's not MY fault cisheterosexual Judeo-Christian Patriarchy is sexually binary! Maybe if you agreed in more options we wouldn't be having this conversation!"

And it's because of this shitty point of view, they argue that even having big booby fictional characters that are female, boobily boobing down the stairs for the appreciation of the audience, they jump to the next facet of their belief system. Male Gaze Theory.

Built off their idea that Classes Struggle (tm) and Women Are the Obligate Oppressed Class(tm), and that any reference or participation by women is inherently an act of an oppressed political group in bondage to and beholden to their oppressive captors, AND that works of fiction and literature are part of culture, these facets of culture give groups their marching orders, programming and ideas on what they are, mean and even their existence. They believe, uncompromisingly, that your very perception and understanding of reality is built solely upon what books written by the state have to say about what is real and what isn't. That if society writes books about a murderer and don't go out of their way to omnipotently, omnipresently dictate with no ambiguity that, "Murder is bad, ackshully," that you endorse a society where murder happens. And, no joke, this is how they imagine murder, theft and antisocial behavior happening. Because it exists in that cultural bubble like evil waves of energy, just going unneutralized to warp the minds of unprepared people who haven't been told what is right and wrong by society, making them rapists, murderers and exploiters of those weaker than them (and they only care when the person exploits someone weaker than them.)

So they see sexy drawn women as depictions of an oppressed minority being reveled over by a slavemaster class, exploiting their image and the idea of that group for profit (which they also despise) and believe the women should also be profitting off their "exploitation" in fiction, and some sort of state council should exist that oversees the expression or interpretation of women in fiction, or else abolish the work from existing for not fitting their moral and social view of how literature and culture are "allowed" to see women. Seeing this very dour, extreme interpretation about how all men depicting women is exploitation, and by default society is meant for a male, oppressor perspective, is called, "Male Gaze Theory."

At no point in this equation did their greviance or conceptual principles cross over with Puritainism or Christians. They are their own totalitarian beasts, and like the Nazis are not Napoleonics are not The Mongol Horde, FUCKING TELL IT LIKE IT IS AND ACCEPT RADICAL FEMINISM IS JUST LIKE THIS.

You can somehow see one radical conservative and condemn the entire conservative or right-wing party as inherently racist, white supremacist and homophobic, but you can't acknowledge that radical feminism has more Ls to its name and more bad ideas and more bad values than rejecting the idea that trans men and women aren't men and women. All their ideological supremacism, all their logical leaps, all of their antagonistic marching into any fandom and demanding the fandom most conform to their ideas of what is mentally, emotionally an socially healthy, are their own. They are not Puritans, they're fucking radical feminists. Do not use the bad behavior of past groups as an ablative shield when you fucking mean what you mean.

"Well complaining about feminism makes me sound like some kind of CHUD..."

That's a you problem. In the past, complaining about the Church when it was synonymous with power would've made you a "pagan" or an "unbeliever." And before the T in LGBT got traction, it was just "anti-feminist" for a biological man to argue with a woman, giving them infinite instant Ls, even if they did identify as a woman. It starts somewhere.

Call it like it is and just realize radical feminism is rotten from the top windows of the attic to the foundations.

[the-catboy-minyan]

i'm trying to comprehend your points about the terf-focused jkr discussion instead of holocaust denial focus, you are getting at something here i want to really understand from your perspective. i think people often come at these events through the lens of their own experience - for me i would fall under the mentally ill group that nazis identified as unworthy of existence but i don't see the holocaust at large as a primarily mental health community focused event, it was obviously an ethnic cleansing. i never put myself into the place of people targeted for ethnicity, religion, etc. by the nazis. i guess i'm asking - are you asking people to remember the totality of the holocaust and its staggering impact on Jewish people, not just take a detail and magnify it to focus on groups that have gained visibility in recent decades? if i misunderstand pls let me know! i want to understand these topics better, but if you don't want to explicate it that's all good too!

hi anon, thanks for the ask. sorry that my post wasn't clear, my thought process is a bit weird at times and i sometimes accidentally try to make multiple points at once, or forget my point halfway.

my problem wasn't that people are focusing on queer aspects of the holocaust too much, I'm queer myself. my problem was that people (in general) looked at JKR's behaviour and acted like:

of course she would stoop this low to engage in holocaust denial, she's a terf! only "evil" people can do such a vile thing as holocaust denial.

saying Nazis didn't burn books about gender affirming care is the worst act of holocaust denial you can engage in ever!!!

it being holocaust denial is a major part of why it's horrible.

now for why I think that:

pretending like only objectively horrible people like JKR are the only people who engage in holocaust denial is ignoring the rise of holocaust denialism we've seen from both the right and the left in recent months. there are people who have actively denied parts of the holocaust "calling out" jkr on it, while also insisting they're not denying parts of the holocaust because "they're right and the history books are wrong actually".

people are tweeting "hitler was right" or "hitler should have finished the job" every fucking day, recently AI translated videos on one of his speeches got circulated on social media positively. people are denying the death count is really 6 million Jews, or that the holocaust happened at all. JKR is denying specific books were burned, not that book burnings never happened or that they "weren't that bad", it's disgusting but it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

she's not denying those book burnings because she thinks there's no way Nazis would have stooped this low or whatever, she's denying them because she can't fathom trans people existing in history (the horror!). is it holocaust denial? well it's an important event that happened as part of the holocaust and she's denying it, so technically yes, but she's denying it because she's transphobic, not because she's actually denying a holocaust event. like, the reason people are mad isn't because they were burned during the holocaust and she saying they weren't, it's because it was books about trans research and she's saying they never existed.

I hope this makes more sense, thanks again for the ask, I highly respect people going out of their way to listen to other people's perspectives (this is something I also try to do myself). please feel free to engage with and discuss this post and my take, this is my personal opinion, not an objective fact, and others may see this differently.

[foxfire-hashira]

You can separate the art from the artist until their harmful politics and ideals begin leaking into their works.

A lot of times, artists and writers WILL leave their ideals in their works. That's not my point here. My point is that you can separate the art from the artist until they start weaponizing their work with their harmful views.

For example, we'll compare Dr. Seuss to JK Rowling.

On one side, we have a man who deeply cared about issues that affected his daily life. He was a leftist, a war veteran, a husband, and an author.

Dr. Seuss

Illustrated political cartoons during WWII, specifically supporting Roosevelt

Wrote Horton Hears a Who ad an allegory for the American post-war occupation of Japan

Sued the pro-life movement for using Horton's quote, "how small" on their propaganda stationary

His view on kids, "You have 'em, I'll entertain 'em"

Purposefully wrote the beginnings of his stories WITHOUT a moral in mind, quoting "Kids can see morals a mile away"

Continuing on that point, he wanted to view his stories as subversive rather than making an obvious remark within his works

A lot of his books have anti-consumerism, (the sneetches), racial equality (the butter battle book), arms race (yertle the turtle), and economic materialism (how the grinch stole christmas) allegories that fly over children's heads in favor of purposefully written morals that are intended for his younger audiences.

Point: Dr. Seuss never weaponized his writing. He never outright talked about things in his books to kids that were deemed inappropriate. In fact, a lot of his works were colorful and imaginative and weren't at all trying to teach specific moral issues. (What Was I Scared Of? Is a personal favorite of mine that teaches you how to fave your fears)

JK Rowling, on the other hand, decided to unapologetically use harmful stereotypes and politics in her works.

JK Rowling:

Admitted multiple times during interviews that goblins are a Jewish allegory

The only Irish character in her book is a harmful racial stereotype in that Seamus Finnigan not only has a stereotypical Irish name, he regularly explodes.

The only Jewish character in her book is Anthony Goldstein. Which is another rather harmful stereotype.

The only Asian character's name is Cho Chang.

The only Indian characters' names are Padma and Pervati Patil.

Hermione's protest movement Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare was named that way on purpose so other characters could call it SPEW and make fun of her. Insisting the house elves were better off working in slavery and they were happier that way, using a fired house elf (Winky) ad a harmful narrative device to try and defend the pro-slavery mindset within the Wizarding world

Uncomfortable Nazi allegories with Voldemort being a Magic Hitler

Attempting equality after her books were already published in an attempt to paint herself in a better light (tweeting that Dumbledore is queer, Hermione is black, etc.)

TERF behavior patterns that ended up in her publishing several radical publications explaining why trans people should die

So. There's a line to be drawn here.

Dr. Seuss illustrated a lot of commentaries on socio-economic issues in the WWII Era. Prominent and relevant issues. But he also taught important morals to kids in his writing while being subversive and rather imaginative in his books. They were obviously children's books and never swayed from children's books.

But there's something uncomfortably political about Harry Potter and that's why I can't separate it from JKR.

[feminismisstillahatemovement]

The mob lunged towards me, screeching and grabbing, and I knew that if I fell I would never get up. I’ve stopped expecting mercy from anyone whose motto is ‘Be kind’ but the event last week was terrifying. I was sure in that moment, on the New Zealand leg of my ‘Let Women Speak’ tour, that the trans activists who surrounded me would trample me to death if they could. They gather in menacing groups to intimidate us and hurt us if they can, just to prevent us speaking a simple truth: that women don’t have penises, men don’t have vaginas, there is no such thing as non-binary and transitioning children is abuse.

We started these talks at Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park, London and have now taken them around the UK and across the USA. The format of the event is a gathering with a microphone and amplification, livestreamed to my ‘Kellie-Jay Keen’ YouTube channel. Women can finally say what they want, protected by the group. It’s a genuine free speech event. Sydney, Brisbane and Perth events saw a few hundred women in total attend and speak about the impact transgender ideology is having upon their lives. They were afraid and yet defiant – they’ve had enough. There were tears and a triumphant resolve to bring our society back to a place where the truth has more value than virtue-signalling.

The turn towards violence came in Melbourne at our largest gathering. The police had done a pretty fine job of protecting women with buffer zones between us and the rabid trans activists. But this gathering included competing groups of woman-hating losers: trans incels to the left of me and Nazis to the right, and here we were stuck in the middle and blamed by the media and politicians for the Nazi salute that occurred. I’ve been asked following that incident whether I have sympathies with the far right, but seriously, who does? It’s a vile ideology and frankly anyone convinced by it in 2023 is pathetic. John Pesutto, the leader of the Liberals in Victoria, repeated dangerous lies about me and suspended Moira Deeming MP from his party for her association with me.

The Tasmanian event was pretty horrifying. The women who spoke were visibly terrified and an angry mob drowned out their voices with hysterical screams and cult-like mantras. Following the event, I was called ‘a Terd’ – a play on ‘Terf’ – in the Tasmanian parliament. This storm gathered pace and in New Zealand it was magnified a hundredfold. There was a case brought to the high court to try to stop me entering the country and their media started a constant spew of lies, insisting I was a dangerous anti-trans Nazi. At the border I had a two-hour interrogation and search, one hotel cancelled my reservation, and in another a threatening note was slid under my door while I slept. I had been told I would be protected by the police. That couldn’t have been further from the truth.

The big event, the one that has been in the news, was in Auckland, and the minute I arrived I felt rising fear. As the car pulled up I could see the thousands gathered to oppose me. My security gathered around me and we pushed through the hateful mob to the centre, where the local organisers and attendees were who had come to speak. Where were the police? Not one officer was in that crowd; not one officer was there to protect the brave women who turned up. Within seconds a man had tipped tomato soup all over my head. I continued to live-stream. But over the next few minutes the mob took on a life of its own. A frenzy grew until it was a deafening swell, a modern-day ‘Burn the witch’. Men started ripping down the barriers and charging forward. ‘The police aren’t coming,’ said my head of security. ‘We have to get you out.’ This meant placing me in the centre of my security and some stewards, women who had volunteered to help, pushed through the baying mob. As we moved, we stumbled. I knew that a body on a floor is fair game and ripe for stomping and kicking. When we eventually got to the outer edge of the park, the police did step in and helped get me to a car. They took me to the nearest police station where I was guarded for six hours before I had an escort of three officers to the airport. They didn’t leave until my plane took off.

That day I was told emphatically by each police officer and security that had I fallen I would have been killed. Women were injured that day, women who you may never hear about. You will never know their names. They didn’t get to hop on a plane and leave; they have to stay and live in a country that has told them their lives are not worth protecting.

by Posie Parker (Kelly-Jay Keen)

[aftonfamilyvalues]

https://www.tumblr .com/hellsdaydreamwastaken/718414481325195264/the-thing-is-though-terfs-dont-hate-men-they

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good original post. i too think its very funny when women make fun of some general boyfriend guy and 30 year old women start throwing a tantrum.

obligatory "its terfy to make fun of the funky little dudes with soft tummies" and also calling it biphobic when you mean heterophobic because they know they cant just say heterophobic without looking like a laughable dumbass.

something something transphobia. something something men are poor little meow meows and if we dont center them on the left then theyll get lonely and all turn into nazis. theyll turn into nazis and itll be the complete fault of man hating lesbians! obligatory "the patriarchy hurts men too!" and the ever present "i am projecting that you think all men bad and all women good because i personally believe the opposite is true and, no matter how much i insist i understand complexity and dont feel that way, my actions and my every arguments will tell you the opposite. i, the hero of tumblr, also cannot comprehend that you, the villain of this post, are more than a one dimensional antagonist from the kids media in which i solely consume"

BUT ACKSHUALLY the mean lesbians are really conservative man loving tradfems. men are allowed to make man hating jokes though. i am very smart

[lady-wildflower]

Also, worth noting that calling it "Holocaust denialism," as Aye and Alejandra Carabello (and myself) have, is not hyperbole.

JK Rowling is denying that trans people were targetted by the Nazis, and promoting the tweets of known anti-trans activists screeching that any insistence that we were is "the LGBTQ+ lobby" revising history. That is, by a 2022 ruling on a case regarding similar tweets by the Regional Court of Cologne, (translation) "a denial of Nazi crimes."

She is, by German court precedent, quite literally engaging in an element of Holocaust denial.

Edit: Yeah so, TERFs can fuck off, obviously, but it's very funny to see one in my reblogs and check their blog to see if I can whack any more moles with the blockhammer via who they reblog from and find that, of course, they're a horrible person. Scratch a TERF.

Also, I don't know what they intend other than to get blocked - TERFs, you're not worth my time nor energy :)

Funny what a little bit of Holocaust denialism will get you trending with.

[actualadvocacybruh]

You: *complaining about radfems* Also you: *harassing women, telling them to kill themselves, sending rape threats, saying kinks are okay and being misogynist.*

See where you're getting at? We, radfems, have proof of your chauvinism and your bigotry. Men, like you, misogynistic, miserable and vile, don't deserve to live in this world. You're not only harassing radfems, you're harassing women in general.

And no, not all radfems are terfs!

So, I insist you fuck off!

Can you post an example of me “sending rape threats”… cause that is a hell of an accusation considering I’ve been fairly outspoken about consent being important and how evil ignoring it is when talking about all sexual encounters (or any encounter really consent isn’t just about sex)

The rest of that first bit of whining is just them being mad that I DARED question them when they mock CSA victims, support rape against men and boys, and call for violence against young men and boys just for being alive (like the rad fem who openly told a teenage girl to shoot up her school on this site which is not okay)

Questioning them or countering their arguments is “harassment” on the minds of the narcissistic fascists of the rad fem movement

You don’t care about people being told to “ kill yourself” as you have done it yourself to people that don’t agree with you or are just gay or trans so fuck off you hypocrite twit

All rad fems are TERFs the entire ideology is based on physical characteristics and sex under a fascist lens

Basically scratch a rad fem and a Nazi bleeds

I don’t harass anyone let alone women on here and I even stopped talking to or about rad fems for a month and THEY still messaged me and whined in the asks the entire time while trying to harass everyone I spoke too on this site to the point many of the people I interact with have had to block them cause rad fems weirdos kept bothering them and one poor woman was harassed and insulted by them to the point they mocked her for being assaulted as a child saying she “ deserved it for trusting men”

Fuck off with this attempt at moral superiority when you lot deserve nothing but the wall alongside the Tankies and tyrants you suck off daily for their anti LGBTQ agenda nonsense

[qnewsau]

Tickle v Giggle: no laughs at landmark trans case

New Post has been published on https://qnews.com.au/tickle-v-giggle-no-laughs-at-landmark-trans-case/

Tickle v Giggle: no laughs at landmark trans case

The Federal Court began hearing the case of Roxanne Tickle in Sydney yesterday. Roxanne is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was banned from the women-only app.

Former entertainment journalist and scriptwriter Sall Grover founded Giggle for Girls in 2020.

Bridie Nolan, the barrister representing Giggle for Girls and Sall Grover described the app as a ‘refuge away from males’.

“It would be a place without harassment, mansplaining, dick pics, stalking, aggression��� the vision was to create an online refuge.”

Roxanne Tickle joined the site in February 2021. A trans woman, Roxanne has lived as a woman since 2017. Her Queensland birth certificate states she is a woman and she has undergone gender affirmation surgery.

Giggle for Girls required new members to upload a selfie for checking by gender detection software.

Roxanne uploaded the required selfie and the software confirmed she was a woman.

However, in September 2021, Roxanne’s membership was revoked and she was called a man by CEO Sall Grover.

Georgina Costello KC for Roxanne Tickle, told the court that “Ms Tickle is a woman” but “the respondents flatly deny that fact.

“The respondents have insisted on describing Ms Tickle as a man and using ‘he’. Persons can change gender, and that is what happened here.”

Bridie Nolan, for Giggle for Girls and Grover, disagreed.

“Sex is discriminatory, it always has been and always will be… biological sex must prevail.”

“No indignity”

Nolan also claimed the respondents wished no indignity upon Roxanne Tickle or others who express gender identity, but said “sex is discriminatory.”

“It always has been, it always will be.”

Bridie Nolan should read Giggle for Girls’ supporters on Twitter.

They pour every indignity possible on Roxanne Tickle and speak of trans women in thoroughly dehumanising terms.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Violence at Melbourne anti-trans rally

Alex Antic’s trans prohibition bill blocked by Senate.

Greens blast ‘shameful’ anti-trans event at Parliament House.

Anti-trans abuse against Aussies ‘escalating rapidly,’ report finds.

Australia 2023: NAZIs join TERFs on city streets.

For the latest LGBTIQA+ Sister Girl and Brother Boy news, entertainment, community stories in Australia, visit qnews.com.au. Check out our latest magazines or find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and YouTube.

[mithliya]

Nothings more baffling than seeing people insist on something that isnt happening just bc theyve identified you as part of an arbitrary group

Like, you're not saying anything about minorities, not even mentioning trans women or something, and that person is like "Youre a terf so you hate minorities so i dont want to argue with you and you did this and this and youre evil" instead of just responding to the topic at hand that pcos is not the same as intersex

And like the other posts where the white people call you a white supremacist nazi and then you are. Not.

Also, privilege and oppression almost never comes from/changes with your ideology. I think a lot of these people don't recognize that, bc even if you had really bigoted beliefs, you would still, always be more marginalized based on race than a white person. And being in a so called white supremacist group would just subject you to more racism and abuse.

So its so annoying to see white people who think they are super anti racist just berating poc. Its not really your call to make, to punish poc for being racist.... if that makes sense.

i’m starting to believe gender ideology is where logic goes to die at this point bc of these ppl bc 💀 how can they fail this badly at making any decent points while being SO confident about their arguments simultaneously.

[femvulvaphile]

let’s break that weird shit down, then

“We’ve been here since the beginning. I know your hate group, your little Nazi sub-sect, has this lie you like to spread that we suddenly spring into being from whole cloth in the 1970s, but that fighting all through history? WE’VE. BEEN THERE. FOR ALL OF IT.” cool but that’s literally not what I said. transwomen’s and women’s fights are inherently different. Sex-based oppression doesn’t DIRECTLY affect transwomen: you will never be shunned for menstruating, you will never be afraid of having your prepubescent vulva mutilated for the sick pleasure of a men five times your age, you will never be afraid of being impregnated against your will, or of miscarriage of a wanted child, or of all the pregnancy and birth complications who are still killing women all over the world. you will never know what it’s like to have men catcall and grope you when you’re nine years old just because your boobs already began to grow.   

"The demonization of trans women is a relatively recent invention in the grand scheme of human history and it is one that you have helped re-surge into the modern world.” that’s bullshit. the “demonization” you’re talking about can refer to one of two things: either the conservative view that transwomen are “deviant men” (which I definitely agree is shitty), or the radical feminist view that transwomen retain their male socialization and so, as a group, can represent danger to women (which is backed up by research, btw, and the amount of “receipts” in the form of news reports of transwomen hurting and murdering cis women AND in the unending threats and harassment that radfems receive online and irl).

"The idea of ASAB and tying it to gender in some inviolate and unchangeable way is something colonizing white people brought to this country, and others they invaded.” cool but that’s bullshit? pretty much every culture on earth has a history of identifying biological sex and applying sociological roles to them. that’s not a white invention, that’s not the fruit of colonialism. the concept of “gender” as behaviors and roles based on reproductive function has existed for as long as people have existed. some cultures have stricter rules about them, others are more loose. some cultures refuse to acknowledge non-conforming people as their “original gender”, and then you have things like two-spirit or hijras.

"Whether you realize it or not, and…let’s be honest, you probably do, your actions, your hate group, is just a laser-guided subsection of what fascism and white supremacy stands for.” wtf tho. fascists and white supremacists and nazi want a “pure” world without “lesser” groups, like black people, jewish people, homosexuals, gnc people. how is female-only radical feminism the same? are you aware that plenty of radical feminists are woc themselves, and even jewish? are you aware that the vast majority of people you’d call “terfs” aren’t even american, or english speakers? we literally just want men to stop fucking murdering us.

“Without colonization, without white supremacy, your argument, your constant, hammering on “male” as if to conjure some demon from the word, would mean nothing.” male violence has been a reality in human history. it’s not a theory, it’s not up to debate. it’s a fact. you know it is, according to your original post talking about men posing the most danger to transwomen. women all over the world are victims of men. it doesn’t change whether we talk about it, or use the words male, men, amab.

"I don’t mean that in the rhetorical sense, I mean literally, your words would not have a cogent basis without that.” again, bullshit. male violence is everywhere, in every culture, in every part of the world, regardless of how much contact with europen colonization the culture has had. japanese men are violent, russian men are violent, french men are violent, english men are violent, american men are violent, cuban men are violent, argentinian men are violent, brazilian men are violent. nazis didn’t invent misogyny.

“How fucking dare you invoke my dead sisters, how fucking dare you bring up that most of us getting murdered are PoC, while peddling Nazi approved propaganda.” uh. it’s “nazi approved propaganda” to say that women face violence from men and therefore need safe spaces from them? and I brought up the groups that murdered transwomen belong to because YOUR GROUP likes using them, using your so-called dead sisters, as argument points, as proof that a white middle class educated men with a dress and lipstick is somehow more oppressed than any woman on earth.

“Meanwhile, asshole,” oh cool name calling when I wrote a relatively calm and non-offensive post. “I was talking about SHARED SPACES. LGBT focused communities, the ones you are perpetually try to focus trans lesbians out of because you view us as the worst of what you already consider the worst.” yeah, maybe we wouldn’t need to do that if “lesbian” transwomen could stop demanding so much from women, or if they’d stop claiming protagonism when they don’t even experience SAME-SEX ATTRACTION, which historically has been, you know, the entire defining poing for “lgbt” people.

“You didn’t even notice it, did you? You were just launching into Pre-Written Terf Rhetoric #5 without so much as reading what I actually. Fucking. Said.” dude, you’re calling me a nazi literally just because I said women deserve female-only spaces and transwomen should create their own safe spaces away from men instead of demanding entry and protection from women.

"Your insistence that we’re “straight men” only serves to try and push us out of those communities as well." you have more in common with straight men than with lesbians, tho. you don’t experience same-sex attraction, you’re not female, you can impregnate a female lesbian (depending on transition specifics, but let’s be honest: the big problem is the transwomen who claim “there’s no need to need to transition bc my dick is a woman’s dick”), if you’re not “passing” you don’t need to fear homophobic violence from strangers.

“Jesus fuck, like did you even notice that was the fucking point? Like your shoving us aside as non-women is already fucked up but that wasn’t even the point of this particular post.” the point of your post was vilifying women who question the notion that “transwomen are exactly the same as women”. the point of your post was putting the blame on women, “terfs”, for what men do.

"The idea that men view us as also men is so beyond laughable I can’t even properly convey it.” they view you as “DEFECTIVE” men. they definitely don’t view you as women. men are violent towards you as a result of toxic masculinity - a non-conforming male is a threat to their notion of rigid male-female roles. the violence towards you is closer in motivation to the violence towards gay men, rather than the one towards women.

"But I’m just going to say: You don’t live our lives. You don’t live our experiences.” yes. just like you don’t live the lives of women. which is exactly why I said transwomen do deserve safe spaces, but not by invading female-only safe spaces.

"If you don’t know how wrong you are it’s because you’re incapable of treating our words as anything but the words of the target of your hate and thus discarded.” you’re lumping me in with nazis (I’m a latina gender-non-conforming lesbian, I’d be raped and killed by actual nazis faster than you could type “op is a terf”), refusing to actually ACKNOWLEDGE the things I said, bringing up way more arguments than the ones on your original post, and then blaming me for not being able to read your mind.

“The power you hold is that you have been aligning yourself with right-wing christian groups,” bullshit. again: women can’t even get men to stop raping us. how exactly do you think we have any power, any voice, over THE most misogynistic men on the planet?

"the power you hold is that your ilk has been speaking to audiences wherever they can find them in academia for decades,” again, bullshit. women have been in academia for, like, two years, in comparison to how long men have been dominating every public and private space.

"the power you hold is that you went into the communities that might have helped us stay alive and sowed false accusations to turn others against us,” b u l l s h i t. YOU came into OUT communities demanding we treat you as equals, when we are observably NOT equals. sex-based oppression doesn’t affect transwomen the same way it does women. men’s violence is distinctly different based on your sex.

"the power you hold is in helping, insidiously, to uphold the institutional biases that keep us marginalized, alone, and dying.” the same can be said of modern trans rights activists, tho. you’re all contributing to the strengthening of gender as a hierarchy - and not because you need to conform to survive. no, your original message (the one we can still hear from drag queens and transvestites from stonewall, for instance, that your kind likes to claim as “transwomen”) has been corrupted to the point where people look at a feminine gay boy and tell him he must be trans, he must transition, he must be a woman because he likes makeup and is attracted to men. your kind tells parents of vulnerable children that their little boys and girls will KILL THEMSELVES if they don’t take hormones as soon as possible. your group tells lesbians they need to suck dick to be proper lesbians. your group supports (and breeds) more murderers, rapists, and pedophiles than radical feminism could. your group tells women of color, lesbians, survivors of all sorts of male violence, that they’re the problem. you tell us we’re even worse than men. you tell us to die, you threaten us with rape, with baseball bats. you punch sixty year old women who dare take a picture of people trying to silence women. you rape and murder a twelve year old girl. you rape and forcibly impregnate a female trans person, and then brag about it. you support rapists and pedophiles being housed in women’s prison because of their “gender feels”. 

you tell women to shut up about their own experiences. you tell women they’re not the “right kind” of women. you tell women they’re not woman “enough”. you tell them to sacirfice themselves for yet another male.

“And yes, before you even start, I’m blocking you. I don’t debate Nazis or Nazi bootlicks.” still nowhere near being a nazi, but alright.

bonus:

“also do they just have a terf blog name generator somewhere, i swear all terf blogs read like a bunch of synonyms for vagina and spellings of rad and possibly a wolf reference or phile or fetishist, all put in a random name generator” that’s hilarious to men because I literally saved this url after I seeing an asshole claim that lesbians aren’t allowed to call themselves lesbians if they don’t suck dick, and that they’re actually vagina fetishists. the person used -phile on something, I can’t recall what, and I immediately thought “hmm, yes. I love vulvas. I’m a vulvaphile. A female vulvaphile.”