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I know you're a big x-men fan (possibly an understatement?), so do you mind me asking if you have any thoughts on the upcoming Jean Grey movie? I don't know enough about her in the comics to really know what to expect (though I do very much like Sophie Turner)
So, with the caveat that I actually did not know this movie was being made until you sent this ask and I cannot find even a teaser trailer for it (I strongly suspected that this was bullshit for a second, until I found some articles), here are Some Thoughts.
First off, Apocalypse was actually my favorite X-Men movie in a very long time--I liked First Class, and the very first Singer X-Men has some nostalgia value, but Apocalypse actually felt like a damn team movie, which was a thrilling change of pace. That being said, every time they announce a new X-Men movie I live a few hours in existential despair about adaptations of my all-time favorite comics characters, and I usually set aside a few hours to have a crisis before I actually go see the thing, and a few more to watch X-Men Evolution afterward. I was actually so frustrated I cried when they announced Logan. I still went to see it! I did! But I spent a couple days fuming about how much damage the movies have done to my love for Wolverine, first.
That being said.
Things I am Tentatively Excited About
Clearly they have already figured out that Dark Phoenix needs to be the Whole Entire Plot. None of this “Also let’s talk about the Cure” nonsense. Don’t half-ass two huge plotlines, whole ass one huge plotline.
Apparently they’re taking extra time in post to do the effects, so hopefully it’ll be VISUALLY dazzling, regardless.
I LOVED Sophie Turner as Jean Grey in Apocalypse and I’m so, so glad they’re going to keep her going as the Star Of The Show. She did a great balance of ‘I’m going to do what needs to be done because I’m the one who can do it’ and ‘oh BOY am I ever screamingly terrified of my powers’, which is really what I like to see in any character at all, but especially Jean Grey. There’s a fine line to walk between ‘character with legitimate fears about what embracing their powers could turn them into’ and ‘Girl who is Afraid Of Herself and needs to be Encouraged’, and I think Ms Turner did an amazing job walking that line.
Speaking of being afraid of one’s powers, I actually also loved Scott in Apocalypse, he had a real personality and that’s depressingly rare in Scott Summers. Please don’t be mean to him, he’s a great character, just because he’s not a delinquent doesn’t mean he’s this featureless Fun Ruiner. I thought his dynamic with Jean had a lot of promise and I’m hopeful that they get some mileage out of that.
I think Hugh Jackman has gone into witness protection from the X-Men franchise, so probably no Logan/Jean/Scott love triangle, which--thank you God and also Jesus, I’m Over that love triangle and I have been since I was eight.
I don’t know if they’re planning to have Storm, Kurt, or Jubilee in the movie, but I also loved all of them and would really be thrilled to see them. I have higher hopes about Storm than the others.
All I want out of this is a good Scott/Jean dynamic, everything else is second fiddle and lower. Please, after all these fucking X-Men movies, give me a good Scott/Jean dynamic.
Things I am Already Dreading
Hoo boy, folks, as you may have deduced from my above comment about Jean Grey, the plot of “I’m afraid of my powers” can get into some distasteful areas preeeeeeeetty quick. If they’re determined to go the route of ‘Jean has these abilities within her purview unassisted, but she’s unable to control them’ they’re going to be getting into territory that could go phenomenally well or astoundingly badly.
As mentioned above, if this is straight up and down issue of Jean having these powers as a natural part of her skill set, that’s fine, but please God if you’re doing that and you still want to delve into the fact that, hey, yeah, Jean Grey has some real issues, just don’t be a dick about it. I’m not even asking for a sensitive take on PTSD and the idea of being traumatized by your own brain in the most literal sense, I’m just asking for not being an ass.
I just want a movie with some fucking aliens. They don’t seem to have any fucking aliens. The Phoenix Force is a fucking alien space thing. Give me some fucking space shit, it has been so many movies and yet I have no space shit.
If this is a movie about how Charles Xavier is a bad person and/or an idiot, I’m going to have a stroke. Listen. He allowed a child to live her fucking life by closing off powers she was wildly unprepared to handle, and helped her adjust bit by bit. That doesn’t make him a fucking monster and I am deeply over the take that Xavier is a hypocrite, a fool, and somehow the bad guy. Just because Magneto’s philosophy isn’t strictly speaking wrong does not make Magneto right, and it does not make Xavier stupid for trying for a better outcome. Believing that life is valuable is never the wrong call--which, incidentally, is a philosophy I learned from the fucking X-Men.
Things About Which I am Undecided
They’re planning to have Magneto in it which...look, y’all, I love Ian McKellan with a love that is true and pure, but having Mags in Last Stand was a questionable decision at best, tied into the frankly Bad decision to do the Cure plot as well as Dark Phoenix. I enjoy Fassbender’s Magneto and like his dynamic with Xavier very much, and would normally be pleased to see them be Tense at each other some more. However. Last Stand has made me permanently skeptical of having Magneto in a Dark Phoenix narrative.
Like I said, they don’t have the Shi’ar or any space shit at all, as far as I can tell, which. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’ll be curious to see how they do the plot without that component, because, again, Last Stand went poorly.
The cast, particularly Sophie Turner, say that this film is “more emotionally-laden and grounded” and oh my God guys, that could go so well or it could be a train wreck. You know what else was supposed to be emotionally laden? Civil War. I think we are all learning about my opinions on that subject.
It’s gonna have Mystique in it, which--listen. I understand that she’s a good obvious parallel to Xavier, in that her powers are physically obvious and his are not, et cetera et cetera, but I never reeeeeeally cared that much about Mystique prior to First Class and I can’t say that Days of Future Past (FUCK DoFP) or Apocalypse really kept up my interest. So. Like. I care a lot more about any of the other options for a focus character.
I want some good Xavier and Magneto interactions, if Magneto’s going to be there anyway. I do NOT want this to be another movie about Xavier and Magneto’s relationship delicately supported by another character undergoing a much more interesting plot.
Things You Can Expect Regardless of Actual Film Quality
I’m gonna write some posts. It’s inevitable. They will either be rhapsodies about my love for the film or wrathful breakdowns of all my complaints.
I’ll probably write some fic. I’m still really happy with limitations of wax, which takes place after Apocalypse, and I have that long-ass post-canon Evo-verse fic in the works still (pushing 60 pages). I like talking about the X-Men.
If Kitty Pryde and Piotr Rasputin are in this movie for 0.0001 seconds, I regret to inform you that you will all be hearing A Great Deal about them.
I will continue to be Not Interested in Charles Xavier/Erik Lensherr.
So, uh...those are my thoughts.
I love the Dark Phoenix arc, I think I should say that as a closer. On a wider level, wildly overpowered characters are really interesting to me, largely because everyone’s terrified of writing them and therefore most versions feel very unique. On a more specific level, I think the comic concept of the Phoenix Force becoming addicted to life, addicted to the experience of being alive, and shattering star systems just to see what the sparks of the planets taste like as they fade out--I think that’s a gorgeous story. A tragedy, to be sure, the Trojan War against one woman, with casualties spent as carelessly as sand, but a gorgeous tragedy. If they do a good job with Jean, I’m sure I’ll be just as game for it.
Y’all I’m gonna write a fic after this movie called “terahelen (serious inroads on the welfare of the galaxy)” and it’s going to be the most upsetting tragic shit about Scott and Jean that I can possibly pump out.
#dark phoenix#jean grey#xmen#scott summers#oh god y'all i'm nervous about this movie#i'm nervous about every xmen movie these days#i mean of late i'm just Nervous because my anxiety's been out of control but especially about xmen movies#god and new mutants? i'm REALLY not sure how i feel about that shit#on the one hand: if you were going to make a horror movie out of the xmen#(although why WOULD you--that's a separate post but WHY WOULD YOU that's not what superheros are FOR)#but if you were GONNA then ilyana rasputin is unarguably the right call#but also...y'all...can't we be done with the trope of the Evil Insane Asylum? aren't we done? can't we put that one to bed?#also i do not LIKE horror movies and will have to break my habit of seeing xmen movies in the theater because no thank you#a netflix xmen series is what i really want if i'm being honest#please marvel you own the rights again that's what i want#there's a post floating around somewhere about this#but so yeah IN SUMMARY my thoughts about dark phoenix are: I AM NERVOUS ABOUT DARK PHOENIX#idiot teenagers with a queue#karatam#asked and answered
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