#but idk it makes a horrible kind of sense that he'd cling to a sense of continuity and authoritative dogma as vader

[anghraine]

Not sure why, but I was just thinking about how much Anakin struggles with Jedi expectations and rigidity before his fall, and yet in some ways he's particularly dogmatic about Jedi identity and practice as Vader.

I remember doing a long liveblog of ANH many years ago on lj, before re-watching the prequels, and being like "does he recite Jedi catechisms or mantras every day before he leaves his breathing pod? Because that's the vibe I get."

And he does continue to identify himself as a Jedi in ESB and, of course, Luke's identification of him as a Jedi in ROTJ lies at the core of their tangled character arcs. But it's interesting that turning on the Order, calling them evil, and helping the Empire wipe out most of the Jedi doesn't lead him to abandon that part of himself at all. If anything, he's all the more aggressively doctrinaire as a fallen Jedi.

[elisedonut]

okay I think I've refined my thoughts on percius.

hate fucking.

that's the most I can see them doing. I can't see much of a romance there (imo. ofcourse I will continue to read all the fics I find of them but until I don't think I'll change my mind). they're too. different.

they would just constantly fight and even if they both wanted a romance, I don't think it'd last longterm. HOWEVER,

hate fucking. that's what I could see them doing. I feel like. Percy’s thoughts on Sirius are "he'd gorgeous. I hate him. he's too. impulsive, too annoying." and Sirius' thoughts towards Percy would be "he's too uptight. too serious (lol). he is pretty, though."

I could see it being like, canon divergence, Sirius living. sometime in the 2000s, Sirius starts getting his life back together. claims his wizengamot seat. causing some ruckus in the ministry (intentional or not). Percy confronts him, is like "stop causing problems! it's annoying." Sirius decides to annoy him even further.

then to a breaking point, maybe Percy drags him to a room to ask him what his problem is, maybe Sirius invites him over to discuss some government thing. idk. breaking point, then high tensions. release.

this. this is my thought process on all of it. I feel like they'd be more likely to hate each other but can't help the attraction?

anyway. it's late so I'm sorry if that makes no sense. goodnight.

ah neat I'm glad you're figuring out a way they work for you!

It's pretty different from the way i view them but i do think it makes sense for them and is probably something alot of people expect with them

I mostly think about them more in a before the war ends scenarios because what i find interesting about them is the similar family situation which hits more if Percy hasn't reconciled with them yet

I have two main au's i think about them in

one being that Percy get's promoted later in the year au i wrote a bit about where Sirius ends up just acting so so weird towards him due to his brain being messed up from being locked up for so long and keeps conflating Percy and Regulus leading to weird scenarios that Percy has no idea what to do with or how to feel about because he's still not even 100% positive Sirius isn't a threat even though everyone in the house keeps telling him that Sirius is perfectly safe to be around.

and one I've barely put thought into where Percy has to deal with a younger Sirius who's closer in age to when he left his family to put more emphasis on how they both decided to leave (but its not a time travel we are pulling Sirius away from everything he loves here because it's necessary) and ends up staying with Percy and the shenanigans that that would bring

yours feels more in line with how people actually write Sirius though at least from what ive seen of him when he's popped up in other fics ive read

mines more i think he should be more fucked up mentally then he was depicted because he was in a horrible place for a very long time and I like the idea of him clinging on to something that feels familiar to him

anyway point is I don't want them to be a normal ship <3 i want them to be fucked up and kind of broken and have a lot of dub-con vibes and be doomed from the start

[barbiegirldream]

ouch yeah the difference between comics and movies is what created the rift on how civil war is perceived by the audience. like in the comics it was very blatant commentary since if i remember correctly the talking points were fascist and the main target were mutants for simply being born like that and it was deeply fucked up to put them on any kind of register/list because again nazi rhetoric obvious even to a complete idiot. but the movies had a lot of problems to transfer this idea, mainly i think because of:

a) no mutants, already bad plot change since the mutants were literally the main point of it all, beings simply wanting to exist in peace because they were born like that. they changed it into superheroes being the main target but the thing is with mutants it was literal blatant fascism but here the waters were muddied because none of the avengers were born like that, which brings to point

b) the avengers and mcu as a whole were trying really hard to be realistic and gritty and when you go full realism, yeah country sovereignity and oversight of powerful organisations are common and expected. when the writers tried to make it based on our reality they wrote themselves into a corner, because yeah no shit the avengers would be fucking hated to hell and back if they were real, they do whatever the fuck they want with zero oversight and no respect for any law of any country. when in the comics mutants were treated horribly even as babies then the discrimination is very in your face and no sane person would agree but when a team of random people have the power of several nukes combined in a story that hopelessly clings to realism? no sane person would say "yeah sure leave them unchecked, i trust this group of strange unstable people to never do anything bad or destructive"

have no idea if my ideas make sense im sorry i might be blabering but this was the thing that has been bothering me for a while like yeah obviously comics address real life issues all the time through smart storytelling but the mcu movies are simply not smart enough for that they just fuck everything up . idk how to explain it better but the comics have a type of suspension of disbelief (destroyed towns being magically fixed, conflicts being solved in a few issues, etc.) like old cartoon shows where after the episodic disaster the town is back to normal. but mcu really wanted to copy reality and the laws of it 1:1 ratio and it became a huge mess

exactly but also civil war the movie was a mess. cause t'challa was only on tony's side to catch bucky. peter didn't know what the fuck they were fighting for just that iron man wanted him to help contain captain america. tony grabbed him last minute cause he saw spider-man catch a car with his bare hands and figured yeah that'll be useful. a lot of tony's support hinged on being able to leverage the Winter Soldier against people. cause I feel like a lot of people forget in Civil War that most people involved were not interested in the Accords. Like yes Steve opposed them but he more opposed keeping Bucky locked up.

Natasha swapped sides half way through cause she also didn't give a fuck and she's an international super spy she was Neva signing something that would allow the government to track her actions. Black Widow the movie kinda proved this.

Once T'challa realized that Bucky was not at fault he helped him and gave shelter to Steve. In the end Steve had all his friends by his side ready to back him up and fight to the death for him. And Tony had Rhodey and Pepper... right back where he started but Steve was still in his corner.

AND after Far From Home/No Way Home I think it's safe to say if Peter was ever asked to actually sign the accords he'd have been right there with Steve punching Tony in the face.

So I think it's safe to say the narrative of the MCU Civil War ultimately shows you that Steve is the good guy in the right but since the law branded him a fugitive all these cop brained people who only ever say acab cause they saw it trending are on Tony's side

(ALSO Civil War as a movie completely disproves the premise of Endgame and I think Steve got the worst ending out of any character including those who fucking died.)

[shadowonthewaves-blog]

it might be an evolution in lucas et al's conception of him. like the whole point in the ot is that he was kind of this paragon who fell—that's why it's so tragic, while lucas wanted him to be this rebellious difficult figure by the prequels

but idk it makes a horrible kind of sense that he'd cling to a sense of continuity and authoritative dogma as vader in some ways for the same reasons that he follows the emperor's will until esb and luke breaking through being mediated /through/ anakin's jedi identity rather than against it just works so well. it's not 'you need to abandon this commitment to the force and this thing that's essential to who you are', it's 'you can still do that and also be free' and ... ;_; - anghraine

Not sure why, but I was just thinking about how much Anakin struggles with Jedi expectations and rigidity before his fall, and yet in some ways he's particularly dogmatic about Jedi identity and practice as Vader.

I remember doing a long liveblog of ANH many years ago on lj, before re-watching the prequels, and being like "does he recite Jedi catechisms or mantras every day before he leaves his breathing pod? Because that's the vibe I get."

And he does continue to identify himself as a Jedi in ESB and, of course, Luke's identification of him as a Jedi in ROTJ lies at the core of their tangled character arcs. But it's interesting that turning on the Order, calling them evil, and helping the Empire wipe out most of the Jedi doesn't lead him to abandon that part of himself at all. If anything, he's all the more aggressively doctrinaire as a fallen Jedi.

[livrelady]

#it might be an evolution in lucas et al's conception of him#like the whole point in the ot is that he was kind of this paragon who fell—that's why it's so tragic#while lucas wanted him to be this rebellious difficult figure by the prequels#but idk it makes a horrible kind of sense that he'd cling to a sense of continuity and authoritative dogma as vader#in some ways for the same reasons that he follows the emperor's will until esb#and luke breaking through being mediated /through/ anakin's jedi identity rather than against it#just works so well#it's not 'you need to abandon this commitment to the force and this thing that's essential to who you are'#it's 'you can still do that and also be free' and ... ;_;#anghraine babbles#star wars#anakin skywalker#luke skywalker (X)

Not sure why, but I was just thinking about how much Anakin struggles with Jedi expectations and rigidity before his fall, and yet in some ways he's particularly dogmatic about Jedi identity and practice as Vader.

I remember doing a long liveblog of ANH many years ago on lj, before re-watching the prequels, and being like "does he recite Jedi catechisms or mantras every day before he leaves his breathing pod? Because that's the vibe I get."

And he does continue to identify himself as a Jedi in ESB and, of course, Luke's identification of him as a Jedi in ROTJ lies at the core of their tangled character arcs. But it's interesting that turning on the Order, calling them evil, and helping the Empire wipe out most of the Jedi doesn't lead him to abandon that part of himself at all. If anything, he's all the more aggressively doctrinaire as a fallen Jedi.