#but fundamentally the truth is the same (i'm not built to be happy and i wasn't built for this life)

[warriorprincesstramp]

guy who didn't take their stop getting panicked and freaking out at everything and having unbearable heart palpitations and being unable to sleep pill voice guess who's feeling panicked and won't stop freaking out at everything and is having unbearable heart palpitations and can't sleep!! el oh el!

[blushcoloreddreams]

7 ways you can include your spiritual life in your day to day life

For us to be happy in life we ​​need to have things in a correct hierarchy. The things I refer to are the areas of our life, the people around us. In our hierarchy of life we ​​have to see where we place our attention, where we place our resources. the correct hierarchy is First God, because he gave you life, he is the supreme father, the supreme intelligence, without him you wouldn't be here, nor would your parents, nor your husband, boyfriend, children. then family regardless of what that means to you. if it is still your base family or if it is the family you built. And finally your work followed by your social life. where is your attention where are your resources?

And how can we prioritize, direct our lives towards God?

1. seeking to have correct conduct. seeking to have more virtues and fewer sins. seek to please God and offend him less or if possible I don't offend him at all which is more difficult. Simply do what’s right and avoid what’s wrong

2.prayer that can be in a layman's way from the bottom of your heart like “Dear God…” and say what you want or it can be through written prayers. Prayer is like a little time that you take to create intimacy with this intelligence behind building the beautiful world we live in. Our relationship with. God is a relationship that needs to be nurtured. There's no way God can help you if you don't open the door. Prayer is like this door that invites you to be part of your world and act from your conscience. Practice praying daily, entrusting your thoughts and longings to God

3. a spiritual reading: I really like doing this. Wake up and pick up a book with just spiritual messages to start the day off right. I might Have ever mentioned before the book “the way” By Saint José Maria Escrivá, but there are several, depending on your taste and the religious denomination of each person. Including religious books in your routine will nourish your mind and spirit

4. put a loving intention in everything you do, as if you were doing it for God. So a loving intention in actions as if you were not for men, but for God. This is a way for you to sanctify your life, everything you do you do as part of a devotion.

5. attending some type of religious rite, being in these sacred places, regardless of what it is, brings us closer to God. I don’t know if you believe in energy or not but it’s the symbology of the place. If everyone goes there looking to connect with God, this place becomes sacred due to the very intention that one has to visit, especially the people going there to pay their respects, to thank God, to make their wishes and payers… so many people going there at the same time, opening their little window to talk to God, this takes the place of truth. So when we go there it's like it expands. This space, this connection is fundamental. it's important to go to these places frequently. Our surroundings influence us in powerful ways

6.A notebook for self analysis and soul searching where you can reflect about your progress and your failings. having a kind of diary, or something esle (even digital if it is more practical for you) where you write down a daily self-analysis of what you did right and what you did wrong. For every time you have an emotional change of anger, sandness or about whatever it is, you write it down. I know that sometimes we take out a notebook and we don't know where to start, I'm going to make some suggestions: You can make a map with all the areas of your life: your family, work, studies, husband, boyfriend, whatever it was and you can ask yourself how you did in each of these areas? What good did you do , what did you do wrong, what are the predominant good and bad thoughts? and you can take the 7 deadly sins and all 7 virtues and do this subtle analysis of how you are in relation to each of them because we are looking to get closer towards God´s perfection, or we should at least try even if we make mistakes daily. This is a suggestion for you to see what your defects are, which of them are repeated, what you need to work on in order to have a personality with more virtues and fewer sins. Taking this moment to do this self-analysis is a way for you to get in touch with moral law so that you can improve yourself and start creating more intimacy with God. he is omnipotent and unipresent, we are the ones who need him and we are the ones who must seek to rise towards him because he is always already here. There are infinite prayers of all types that we can use to get closer to God, but if you don't know any, just talk to your heart, like someone talking to a friend, someone you trust a lot or someone you should trust, because God gives you gave life and continues to give you life every second and every minute that passes.

7. For all your successes, all your victories, all your glories, you must always remember to thank God because this puts us back in our humble place of smallness before the one who is feeding not only physical life but who feeds our thoughts often, the one which feeds our disposition and that acts through us. In the world, our victories are not even ours, it is all for the one who created us. and when we start to win, to have successes in whatever area we start to think that they belong solely to ourselves and this increases our ego and our pride and this is not good for us and for our spirit. Practice daily gratitude recognizing the blessings and even the challenges in the way

So I said 7 ways to include God in your daily life and I sincerely ask that each of you check which of these is most possible for you now, which of these is most feasible, which of these you can transform into an action today. Oh, if you enjoyed reading, go out and buy a book so you can always read it in the morning or if you plan to say this prayer before going to sleep. Take this list and organize yourself because God should be a priority for you, it should be part of your important values ​​for your life to work. If you do this your life will change, we are the ones who gain the most from this because we know that we are not alone and that the closer we are to this the more blessed we are in life. we begin to have more wisdom to make decisions because God enlightens our mind, we start to be slower people because he starts to work in our hearts to be more charitable and with all these changes it is essential that good results come in every way in all areas and all scopes.

[murdermeadow]

eugjrhrjhf I'm weeping over noahmio and taieunie again tonight. they both mean so so much to me and make me so happy but I think the ways their relationships and dynamics differ is also really interesting too

cuz like. in terms of noahmio, they have that sort of twisted fate style connection. they were born to be together, they will be nothing but intertwined. but Taion and Eunie? this was complete chance. like the lucky clovers Eunie collects, their encounter was entirely put into the luck of the draw (and the fact they're close to the two people who were destined to meet). but even that connection was chance as well - Eunie simply happened to be Noah's friend since before Aionios even began, Taion somehow managed to get placed in the same colony as Mio at around the same time. it wasn't strung together so easily. and I think that's what makes both relationships so perfect.

in the case of Noah and Mio, fate can be a bit of a cheating game. but this game, of course, handles it perfectly, making them a sort of subversion of the trope. of course, N and M were pure otherworldly connections, always landing them together, but this was Noah and Mio's first go around. they were recreated, somehow, by their own selves, manifested to life in order to repent for their mistakes. to have another go at it. and that's why they must find eachother again. they must love eachother, again. do it right this time. find their adoration and connection to eachother as a support, not a desperate rock to hold on to when all else in life fails. they're perfectly soft with eachother, letting their love be pure, untainted by greed or eons of decaying experience. simply Noah and Mio, fighting against their odds, fighting against a world that was built to be against them. they're perfect for the other, in every sense of the word, but it's never cliche. and that's what makes them so beautiful.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND. we have Taion and Eunie. yet again, pure chance. no string tying their lives together above their heads. what's amazing about them is their growth. Noah and Mio's love is handed to them on a silver platter, Eunie and Taion's isn't. they have to learn to love eachother. hell, learn to simply tolerate the other. they have bickering matches, spats, frequent jabs and sarcasm competitions. but instead of driving the other away, it only brings them closer together. this is how they show themselves, before getting down into the deeper, softer parts of their hearts - their fear. I think their tea scene during early game is one of the greatest moments in the whole game because of just how much it tells you about both their characters. Eunie is scared. Taion is also scared. it's what drives them forward, Taion especially. they're terrified. and now, thanks to the boy in glasses keen observational skills, they share this terror. they share the understanding of it. they know that they can confide in eachother, that they can lean on the other when times get tough. it helps create this sort of fundamental truth and understanding between the two that helps forge an unbreakable bond. over time, Eunie becomes more aware of her feelings, while Taion continues to try and push them down to continue his own facade of confidence. the thing is - she sees right through him. she knows exactly what truly drives him, what makes him tick, how to push his buttons, all while keeping it at a safe level that doesn't go too far. Taion, meanwhile, has allowed himself to become softer in turn as well. he shows his embarrassment, his adorable nerdiness, his more simple fear as well. they too, are interlinked. but this time, it's learned. they've learned from eachother, observed patterns and processes, both inside an Interlink and out. and all this is what makes them perfect for eachother as well. they're perfectly reliable, dependable, without it becoming unhealthy. they love eachother, but never say a word about it, likely due to their own fears getting in the way (Eunie dislikes being vulnerable, Taion's simply too much of a coward to step up). so they adore the other in more subtle ways, their love stored in gentle gazes and kind actions. staying true to their roles, they heal eachother. and it's so so so gorgeous. they're so soft in their own silly ways and I love them both an insane amount

[shiveringscarletsun]

long rant because i can:

ill forever feel the pain of not being who my parents would've wanted me to be. Always chasing hypothetical freedom when i can be myself. A freedom where the price is cutting every tie with everything i've ever been, everyone i've ever known. Thus I look at the present with the lens of the past. I can never truly enjoy or indulge in the fantasy of the present. It breaks me to never be here, anything built on a lie is never authentic, and i've never been real.

it hurts, choosing a "truthful" living with no backbone or a shaky backbone that can still hold the projections of me up. I have been meaning to vent about so many things, the words inside me are bubbling up and i'm genuinely suffocating by their sheer volume. I'm always in a state of melancholy, always. I can't stand up anymore.

I'll vent.. I need a peace of mind that will never come. my problems are fundamental and my enemy is time. I keep losing, not the big fights but the small core ones. every brick i put in my tower is faulty and i'm shaky and the core rots away.

I still wonder about my first love like a dumb kid, a huge part of me is so done with it, i'm so done with agonizing over a girl who never fucking thought of me the same. i'm tired of the delusions, i recognize them but i persist. it was an inciting incident, one without proper closure too, so i understand why i remained there, but i just wish she'd come out of the blue and tell me with great detail what she thought of the whole thing. tell me exactly every point where she thought i wasn't worth staying for. tell me if i was indeed delusional or what we had was as monumental as i felt. tell me if a part of her hated me and was glad to leave. she ruined the moon for me at this point, though i'd still want closure, what a weak person that who ghosts. was she straight all along? which would be fine cuz we were literally kids, i wish she was braver to speak, i wish i was smarter to see. first rant over.

second rant simplified is my state with friendships currently. i dont think i have real friends despite my utmost efforts in cultivating genuine human connection. im likable i know that, and i am not a loner either, its just that i recognize that i'll never be a priority to a "friend". they all think of friendship as something secondary if not less, families and lovers always come first, but not to me, i'm there. i think that's my fundamental issue, i'm always the one who stays. through this lens now i can only view those around me as ingenuine and borderline hypocritical. the anger that comes from this is dangerous. i could truly drive everyone away if i continue with the anger but i also hate living like this, giving my whole away for crumbs.. temporary crumbs. what if no one is ever interested in me (my thoughts and personhood) ever? i dont know how to stop feeling like everyone despises me or worse is indifferent to me, its a weird feeling that i've never felt to such a broad extent before.

third rant is i cannot keep living in the shadow of my true self any longer.. if i dont get out by next year im so gonna kms. its unfathomable that im STILL having fights about refusing marriage and at some point i will slip and reveal the truth (that day will be my funeral ofc). I'll deal with the pain of losing everyone i've ever known and loved to my gayness when i DO actually get out i just need out. i don't remember my days and i never express myself because i dont present the way that i believe i am, thus why i dont exist in public. i only exist in my room at 2 am. that's a lonely if not pathetic existence and i'll reach mid twenties soon.. i can't continue being a ghost... my life is literally slipping away behind my mask.

i have so much more to rant about but hey my country is free from the dictator for now so i guess there's something to be half happy about. i wish i personally was free too.. i hope so. i wish i was loved. truly deeply unconditionally and unambiguously, a love where i dont have to wonder, a love where i dont have to calculate.

[mindweasels]

passport

When I went to check in at the polls on the 5th, the poll worker asked for ID and I handed him my passport. It quickly became apparent that he had never seen a U.S. Passport before and that he didn't know what to do with it. He nudged the person next to him, and asked for assistance, but the guy just shrugged. At that point I dug around in my bag and found my non-driver ID. The truth is, they see almost entirely driver's licenses in that position.

The thing is, when you're different, you are constantly aware that systems are not built for you. If they are built for you, they're not--to use a harsh term--idiot proof. By which I mean, people just don't have the skills or abilities to communicate with you and meet you where you're at. I don't feel especially anxious or alienated around elections. I feel anxious and alienated all the time. It's very rare for me to be able to talk to a person for even ten minutes without experiencing that same sense of alienation that normal people feel about elections. There is always some fundamental thing about my existence they don't know, don't believe, or don't agree with. Every moment I have to depend on other humans is precarious and frustrating.

I used to want to be involved in politics because positions of power or leadership made me feel less vulnerable. But of course, the nail who sticks up will be hammered down, regardless of how much money or power one has.

And I'm so angry that I don't always want other people to be free, or safe, or happy. In particular the people that make me feel misunderstood and alienated--I don't want them to get away with it. Other people and their needs feel like a threat to me. They're generally going to create spaces that exclude me and structures that oppress me, regardless of their party affiliation or professed ideology. I don't trust them to take care of me and I don't trust me to take care of them.

Sometimes, though, I do want other people to be free and safe and happy. As if making them so could make things a little safer for me. And when I work on it, it does feel rewarding---like connecting to other people. But then over time it becomes more and more apparent that I'm giving but not getting back. The asymmetry of it, it hurts. The list of people I trusted to care about my problems never included either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. It certainly doesn't include any local well meaning, left-leaning activists.

I volunteer, and I find it enjoyable, so if you find it enjoyable, by all means. But I feel like the anarchist response to this election being "well we just have to volunteer harder" is misplaced. At some point the government takes trillions of dollars and gives almost nothing of value. We have to destroy these people who don't listen and don't care. We have to destroy them.

[taltos-seidmadr]

hello! i'm a burgeoning queer norse heathen and i was wondering if you would be willing to talk about your personal view on odin, specifically his relationship to loki and their partners and children. i'm interested in working with all of them but i'm conflicted on how i feel about odin tricking and getting rid of loki's children, especially the children of angrboda since i am currently working with her. does it ever feel like, unethical to work with gods who have a bad personal history with each other? or is that an oversimplification of the gods? thanks for any thoughts!

Awww dear anon, as another queer heathen let me extend a hug (respectfully)! I'm happy you wrote. I hope that you will enjoy your newly blossoming spirituality and if you wanna talk to someone about literally anything, don't hesitate to reach out.

I think what you're asking is an extremely interesting question because it fundamentally hinges on what you think the gods exactly are, like what is a god overall and what they do, as well as what the myths actually are, and what they mean if anything? These are extremely complicated questions and depending on the underlying beliefs you can get wildly different answers from different people and even one person's belief can change over time (as mine did quite a lot). I can definitely tell you what I believe/built up from my personal experience but I don't want to convince you to think the same, I thought I would just kinda circle around the topic a little bit and maybe you can sort of use it as a springboard to discover what you want to believe.

So... I will start there, that I don't treat the myths like what you are describing, at all. I think of them as entirely man-made constructs, beautiful stories that explain how a certain culture thought the world works. That doesn't mean that they don't matter, of course, but they matter in the same way that for example a beautiful poem does, and not like scientific facts do. I still think that they can and might hold truths, but in ways that are a thousand ways more removed from reality than say, a historical account. It's not even whether they actually happened or not, it's just that like a poem, it's not really the point whether they did.

I wanna point out that if you wanna treat the surviving myths as an actual account of things that really happened, I don't want to attack that - you absolutely can - but keep in mind that that is also an "artificial" and subjective choice. There are two reasons for this. One, is that type of storytelling where the individual stories all hang on a singular, cohesive narrative thread and make up One Big Series of Ragnarök Netflix Original, either didn't exist yet (afaik) or even if it did, it can only be applied to norse myth as a creative exercise, because "norse myths" as they were, were always a collection of regional traditions that sometimes tell wildly different and occasionally conflicting accounts. The reason why this is important is because originally a version of the narrative where, say, Ódin over the course of five separate but tightly connected, linear episodes "turned evil" and "betrayed Loki's family" did not really exist. There is no linear timeline. There are only stories, loosely scattered across a landscape, in which gods sometimes appear, taking on different narrative roles. There are stories in which Ódin is the villain, and there are stories in which Loki is the villain. And there are sometimes accounts that all tell the allegedly same story but in one everything is Loki's fault and in another Loki wasn't even there.

Is this where I insert the gif? You know the one. Yeah, I think it will fit just right here.

The second point overlaps with the first a little bit, but I wanna point out a different side of the same coin. We KNOW this, for a fact, that those versions of the myths that exist today, are texts that were written by human authors (some of which we know by name), specifically for entertainment purposes, with their own unique authorial voices and intent, and the text should be understood within that context before attempting to take it at face value. This is true for all texts, generally. So it's actually less like Ragnarök Netflix Original and more like Ragnarök Extended Universe (as in like, superhero comics) full of parallel universes, retcons, and being handled by different authors who all might have had different visions of what the canon should look like.

Sorry, unfortunately I learned philology and questions like "what is the context?" "what is canon, and why is that canon?" "what does a text actually say, why that, and how is it trying to say it?" are actually SUPER interesting to me and therefore I had to make this detour. But I wanna point out one more thing, and not as a philologist, but more as a friendly fellow believer.

Like I said, treating the texts as something that literally happened is a subjective choice, and not one that I would make, but making choices like that about your beliefs is not only absolutely okay but YOUR prerogative. If someone tells you otherwise, they are either trying to control you, or take your money, or both. Dems the facts.

To stay a little bit closer to the point, my answer to this question is that to me to blame a god for something they did in the myths would be like blaming an actor for something that the character that they played committed in a movie. This would be nonsensical to me because the context is different. Which is a really simple and maybe kinda boring answer. But if you choose to treat the myths as facts, you have some really interesting questions to ask yourself, like, why is it that there are different versions of the same story? Which one do I choose to believe, and why? Are they maybe... really all factually true at the same time? How is that possible? What does that say about Aristotlean logic? Btw I personally do believe that gods come from a place where two things can be true at the same time, if that's anything!

Ok, so, you're asking about the morality of it all, which is I think an even deeper and more intriguing question. The thing is, that there was a time, when I was just a newly beginning Heathen, when I was very convinced that the gods are actually kinda like personified/conscious forces of reality (kinda like forces of nature, but more abstract) and the myths are like an approximation of the blueprint of how they interact, in an extremely metaphorical way. So at that time I was kinda like what I believe is called a "soft" polytheist except that I ALSO did believe that the gods are actual beings that you can interact with somehow, so I was more like a hard if slightly platonistic animist, if you will, without being completely aware of it. At that time, I would have told you that Loki and Ódin being "in conflict" is more like how fire and ice are "in conflict". Ya feel? That's just kinda how things are and there isn't really any morality involved.

However as time went on, I almost completely shedded this belief, and did so extremely quickly. I'm sure there's someone out there who believes the same thing right now, so I don't want to sound even a little bit dismissive, I think it's just a good example of how you don't have to set your beliefs in stone cause time will shape them regardless.

Today, with all the experience(s) behind me, I can say only one thing. I have no fucking idea what the gods really are, where they come from, and what they are doing when they are not interacting with us, if anything. But I do think that even if they are not exactly like people, they are kinda like people. Thinking, feeling persons with their own choices and preferences, and their capacity to have emotions is either like that of a human, or at least comparable to it in some kind of way. So... yeah, from my subjective point of view treating them like the Blorbos from the Ragnarök Show is a little bit reductive... but only if you are willing to take my assumption as true.

That also means that I'm absolutely sure they occasionally experience conflicts among many other things, most of which we will probably never hear about. But I will be honest, just for me, subjectively, it's hard to imagine that the gods engage in conflicts with each other that are irreparable in nature, because it's bad for PR, to put it bluntly. Like, there are so many forces in the world you could be focusing the anger on instead of infighting. It's way harder to Get Things Done (what things, I don't know, but I do believe that the gods are doing Something, influencing the way the world is going as it were) if they sow pointless discord among the few individuals (human followers) that they can count on. On the other hand, even if Ódin and Angrboda are not like, bosom buddies per se, with a little courtesy and encouragement a human who is willing to listen to Angrboda can become a person who is willing to listen to Ódin VERY easily. That's a net positive for everyone involved. Free of charge!!!!

I don't actually believe that the gods are forming like little high school factions against each other that will one day actually and physically go to war, even though the myths literally say that. I'm sure a lot of people would beg to differ, and they would not be able to convince me. In my belief, there are enormous conflicts in the world, maybe even battles, but they are somewhere completely different, and on entirely different scales.

Because I see gods as Kinda Like People, I would treat the issue of hanging out with one or the other as more or less like an interpersonal relationship, as well. Which is to say, I would ask what they think of it, and then I would think about it for myself and whether I give the gods the right to have a say in that or not. And if you believe in gods as persons you can talk to, I would urge you to do the same.

I wanna go into a hypothetical for a second, cause I feel like there is an interesting sub-question embedded into this that I have several thoughts on. Let's say that you take the myths as something that actually happened (which I think you do) and you also think of a god as a person, more or less like you and me (I don't know if this is true but I wanna assume it for the sake of the hypothetical) AND you think that "following" a god means something like "having a friendly or familial relationship with" (which I agree with, and... I think that's also what you think? I'm not sure but let's assume that too, for now.)

So let's say, that said god comes to you, and they reveal it to you as your friend that the other god was really mean to them and/or their family, and let's say you have accepted that as your personal truth. Is it unethical to hang out with said god knowing that they were in some way harmful to your friend? On a completely hypothetical level I think there is at least some sort gray area. But I wanna add two things to this. One, I personally believe that if your answer is "Sorry, I'm a human and this is god stuff and I don't want to be involved/take sides" or even "I don't want you to try and influence my relationships with other gods" it is entirely in your right to set that as a boundary. The second thing is, that the hypothetical is completely moot, because it is my personal experience AND logical conviction that gods never actually do this. If this exact thing happened to someone reading this, I'm not gonna fight that, that's your truth and I'm sure that happened for a good reason. But again, generally this is bad for PR, and also they tend to respect people's boundaries about making their own worship. If a spiritual entity comes to you and tries to control what other spiritual entities you are talking to, that is usually the exact same in the spirit world as it is in the human world. A big red flag.

I will say this. I, as a devoted Lokisperson, not only work with Ódin very frequently, but second to Ódin from his family the one I interact with the most is actually Baldr (if you can believe!) and the only conflict that has ever arisen from this was that at the very beginning Loki was a little bit upset that I assumed he could cause problems about it, which he never did, and truly, it was unfair of me to put him into such a defensive position right off the bat.

I wanna add just one more thing, that I don't really know if it will help or not but I feel like is important to add. Even if you don't believe in the myths as fact even the slightest, like me, being influenced by them on some or other level is not stupid, and in fact in a way kind of unavoidable, I think. Unfortunately it happened once that I had to say: sorry, I know this is unfair to you but the story about you just hits so incredibly close to home in a bad way that it might not ever work out between us in this whole lifetime, no matter what I do. I do think of this as a bad thing, but it is what it is, and we could discuss that and let it rest with no further conflict or issue. I don't really know in which direction the pendulum is swinging for you. But however you feel about working with these gods, is valid, and it's up to you to change it or leave it as it is.

Okay, so Ódin. I like to talk about him, because I think he is a little bit misunderstood and I fancy myself being capable of bridging over this gap, even if shoddily. I think he gets a bad rep because his followers love to talk about him as That Motherfucker(affectionate) and it makes perfect sense from an inside joke point of view but it scares potential new followers away from him as someone not to be trusted. This is really bad for many reasons but especially because he deserves way better than being (mis)represented by fascists and we could always use more people to drown them out.

You know, "tricksterness" is an extremely broad term that entails an entire kaleidoscope of different things, and trickster entities can be so different from one another depending on what aspects they tend to take to. I don't know if you have a personal connection to Loki at this moment, but if you know him, then whatever you think of him (and I can blindly say that, with certainty) you will find Ódin somewhere deep down, in the core, a little bit of the same but in the actual, practical manifestation completely different. What I personally think - and I'm not alone with this view, as far as I can tell - is that Ódin likes to perpetually do something that I could scientifically describe as a "little bit of trolling". If you pick up contact with him, it is very possible that he will purposefully challenge you and especially provoke your intellect and worldviews. Depending what kind of person you are this may seem exciting, annoying or a mixture of both. I think that the sentence "Ódin cannot be trusted" is a 10000000% true statement but more like an optical illusion cannot be trusted. In an emotional sense, he is perfectly capable of building a relationship based on trust and he does deeply care about his followers, like any god worth their salt would. It is definitely worth at least a conversation to figure out whether this is for you or not.

You did ask what I believe personally, so. In my experience Ódin and Loki are clearly very close, and I have never personally witnessed bad blood between them about anything even the slightest bit. Do they bicker, or even fight, yes of course but in the way that two people (and/or two beings who are intertwined across narratives and beyond time and space) who care about each other do. Honestly... I don't even know how to describe that but whatever they have going on makes even such a weighty thing as a narrative plot point in a thousand years old myth completely irrelevant and weightless in comparison. Wherever the story goes, they can go bigger. A book about them may say whatever, their bond is like that which holds the ink of the print to the paper. It cannot be torn apart because it's just on an entirely different level.

As for my tiny little personal perspective, they only ever encouraged me to reach out to the other, I often ask one of their opinions on my workings with the other and they are always supportive and helpful. Needless to say, I treat the myth of Ódin mistreating Loki's kids as entirely fictional, and while this does not necessarily mean that Ódin has never crossed them in any way in the history of time, I have literally never heard about it, saw them behave like that's a thing that happened, or even encountered them referencing it even one time. Somehow I never actually saw Ódin interact with any of Loki's kids but I know that Sleipnir and Ódin are in contact with each other a lot, obviously, and seem to be just fine (yes, I know this may not be the same for everyone but I do treat Sleipnir as a god in his own right). Just going off of gut feeling I would say that out of the whole bunch maybe Angrboda and Ódin are the farthest from each other emotionally, though it wouldn't veer into animosity, just in a room full of gods it's very little likely that they would be the ones to stop to talk to each other unless they had something very important to say. I must admit that I interacted with Angrboda very rarely and I really don't know her well enough to know her true opinions on anything. When we interacted, she seemed like a person who likes to keep a little respectful distance in general, but it was not even a little bit a problem to her that I was connected to Ódin.

The tl;dr of the whole thing is that I don't think that you have to be afraid of picking up contact with either of them if this is what you truly want. I don't know what they will tell you if you do. But I can't imagine they would have anything against it - as far as I know, being an Ódin and Loki follower in some or other capacity, at the same time, is actually very common.

[technowoah]

THESEUS - a dsmp story ( DreamSMP x Queen!Reader)

CHAPTER FIVE : AND I REALIZE THREE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.

Chapter Summary: You had gotten what you wanted, but at what cost? Nightmares ensue, and Dream’s true colors begin to show.

pairing: c!wilbur x queen!reader

an// IM BACK!! hopefully yall like this chaper cause this is the last one that I wrote in the past, Im writing chapter 6 rn so it might take a while. Also sorry for not posting requests I really wanted to get this chapter out there

⚠︎ swearing, dsmp spoliers(?), angst, arguing, smoking, explosions, gaslighting(?), not proofread.

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"Good job you two! This is all yours now.”

Dream had led you and Eret back to the castle, all of them still battered and bruised from the war they recently had. You had already taken off your armor and now you were wearing underneath your L'Manburg outfit that was torn and burnt showing some of your skin which was also burnt or cut. You had noticed on the way to the castle that Dream had kept on looking at the outfit that Eret and you had on with disgust, like a taunt.

You could finally relax in the huge castle that you apparently deserved because you and Eret had taken the first lives of the citizens of L'Manburg. In your heart you knew that L'Manburg was still a country. They all have two more lives and they will build the country up again with those two lives. You sighed then kept walking into the throne room. you looked at the two big thrones that sat next to each other. One for a king and one for a queen.

"Why are you standing there? Sit down! Relax!" Dream patted one of the thrones.

You and Eret had sat down on the thrones next to each other looking around the huge throne room and Dream smiling right in front of them. Once you both sat down you tried to sit up straight, but you wanted to slump down into the comfy, plush, velvet and gold chair. The two of them sat on velvet and gold thrones while in burnt and torn L'Manburg uniforms. It was a sight to see, and if someone didn't know the context of what just happened, this scene would've made sense to them.

"I'm happy you did this. You deserve all of this." Dream said while walking along the marble floor.

"It's beautiful, but I'm exhausted." You let your head fall to the side. You sighed wanting Dream to leave so you could finally get some rest.

"I bet."

"Eret are you okay?" You spoke up after Dream.

Eret had a look that you couldn't make out. He just stared off into space in his own mind. He shook his head after you called for him again.

"Yeah, yeah I am fine. I'm just thinking." Eret quickly responded.

"What are you thinking about?" Dream said in a monotone voice.

"If we did the right thing." Eret sighed.

You slowly nodded because you were thinking the exact same thing. They were traitors, you had built somewhat of a connection with those people you helped kill. And now what? you're living in a huge castle and apparently you "Shouldn't be feeling this way", Dream claimed.

"You two are overreacting. They are fine." Dream said bluntly while staring at them with a straight face.

That was a huge lie, their lives were taken today. They're not just “fine”.

"You two were never a part of that place anyways. This is your home! Why would you need to wear those hideous colors? They look bad on you, it's unflattering. There is no need to go back." Dream explained.

You hang your head not knowing what to say to the man, there wasn’t really anything to say but you spoke up hoping the words will come to you.

"I don't-"

"You don't have to say anything, it's okay. You're safe now. Did you get hurt?" Dream asked.

The bruises and scars said differently.

"Remember when I said that?" Dream pushed the question.

You rubbed a burn mark on your wrist and laughed a bit. "No! Actually I don't. We're safe now, but that doesn't mean we aren't hurt." You chuckled in disbelief.

"Well maybe if you listened to me you wouldn't be so anxious. If you listened you wouldn't have been so hesitant. You're safe." Dream said sternly.

"Maybe you're tired, Dream. We're all tired. Shall we go to bed?" Eret stood up and held out his hand to help you up from your seat.

You accepted his hand and started to follow Eret through the huge castle making your way through the huge, high ceiling halls. The three walked towards the king's and queen's room in the castle, Dream kept a slower pace and walked behind the two wanting to get one more word in before leaving the castle.

"If you two are ever in doubt just remember that you are on the right side of history." Dream said then turned around to leave the two alone.

You both stopped and turned around to see Dream’s back facing the both of you as he walked away. You and Eret eventually made it to your new bedrooms. There was a big door which held a huge room made for the both of them to sleep in and two separate rooms next to the bigger door which were made for one person. Eret and you stood in front of the bigger door staring at the intricate designs on the door not speaking to each other.

"So?" Eret laughed.

"So!" You exclaimed while chuckling.

"Are you okay sleeping in that huge room tonight?" Eret asked.

"I'm not totally comfortable with that, but it would be weird if we slept in the same bed. Don't get me wrong! You're a great friend, but-"

"Y/N/N stop! I'm okay with that too. I wasn't looking to sleep in the same bed. Yes we're married, but we're just staying friends, hey we might get a divorce later." Eret explained.

"If I do, we won't be king and queen anymore." You said softly to your husband.

"Is that what you want? To be "queen"?" Eret asked while putting air quotes around the word queen.

You paused for a moment then answered his question.

"I don't know where I'm supposed to be, Eret." You looked up at him sadly and he pulled you in for a hug. It took you everything you had to not cry into the L'Manburg uniform Eret was wearing. Today drained you mentally and physically, your hands were raw from shooting arrows, you had burn marks on your skin and your feet hurt from running through the kingdom. You weren’t sure about where you would go, because this didn't feel like your home.

"Let's go to bed and we'll talk in the morning. Rest on it because I'll happily divorce you so you can find your place in this huge kingdom." Eret laughed and let you out of his arms.

You chuckled and then let him go walking into what was supposed to be the queen's room and right next to it was the king's room which they both walked in after saying goodnight and closing their doors finally having time to themselves after a long day.

You finally took off the L'Manburg uniform and laid it on a velvet chair in the corner of the huge room. You stared at the uniform before going to the nearest closet and picking out something to wear for that night. The queen's room was basically the huge couple's room that you found before, but just with a smaller bed. There were still trinkets, jewelry and even clothes in the closet. you took a nightgown out of the closet and sat on the plush bed. You ended up laying down staring at the high ceiling thinking of the predicament Eret's question brought.

You finally retired for the night and crawled into bed and got under the soft covers. The window was open so a soft cool breeze was blowing through the room letting the curtains flow with the breeze. If you left you wouldn't have anywhere to go except back to L'Manburg, they would never let you back even if you tried. They probably hated your guts by now, so maybe divorcing wasn't a good idea. You had a set home here, you had food, clothes, and you weren't under attack every minute. you didn't have to watch your back for any enemies.

Your mind slowed down as you finally lulled yourself into a deep sleep forgetting the troubles in your mind for only a moment.

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The sunset fell over the horizon making it a gold, red color. It was beautiful. The trees were illuminated and the lakes had a certain glow to them. you could see mobs began to crawl out of the ground and caves, but you was safe up here.

You looked down and saw the familiar obsidian walls. It seemed like a faint memory, but in reality the walls were real. It was like you could feel the stone underneath your feet at this moment. you could see inside L'Manburg.

you saw Tubbo and Tommy laying in the grass talking to one another. you saw Fundy sleeping in the grass next to them. There were two new faces you had never seen before. It was a woman with short pink hair and another man with a shaved head. It might've been your mind putting people in your dreams to fill space. Then you saw Eret sitting by a small river letting his bare feet flow in the water. It was a peaceful scene.

"Beautiful sunset isn't it?" A voice showed up beside you.

It was Wilbur. He had his uniform on, it was clean like the war didn't even happen.

"It is really beautiful." You agreed watching the sun continue to lower over the trees.

"You know everything the sun touches is yours? It's all of ours. It just so happens that you can see the sunset and sunrise from L'Manburg. You can do anything as long as you see the sun rise and fall." Wilbur said, keeping his gaze soft at the sunset.

You hummed but stayed quiet admiring his words and the sunset.

"Let me tell you what I wish I'd known when I was young and dreamed of glory. You have no control who lives, who dies, who tells your story. After you took one of my lives away I understand now. You can't control other people and their motivations."

You hang your head in disappointment, but then Wilbur continued.

"But I know that we can win. I know that greatness lies in you, but remember from here on in that history has its eyes on you. History will forever have its eyes on you no matter what you do." Wilbur looked into your eyes as the sun set on the two of them the stars began to shine.

The light brown eyes Wilbur had turned darker because of the sunlight being gone. You looked out back at the mobs in the forest and the huge towers in the sky made the kingdoms members. you turned around and looked into L'Manburg. Or what was considered L'Manburg.

There was no one there anymore, instead of people there were huge amounts of TNT that filled the walls behind them. you could hear faint voices around them, people that you didn't know. It sounded like chaos. you whipped your head around to Wilbur who was dressed in a brown tattered trench coat, brown pants, and a white shirt instead of the L'Manburg uniform.

He had a cigarette in his mouth and matches in his hands. He smirked at you as the voices around you got louder and your head sounded like you were in the middle of a tornado. your head was buzzing as your eyes couldn't focus on Wilbur in front of you. It felt like these moments were happening right in front of your all at one time.

"You want to be a hero Tommy?"

"You know if I die, this country goes down with me."

"if respect is the only thing protecting you from a knife in the back, then respect is nothing, right?"

"Kill me, Phil. Phil, kill me, Phil kill me! Phil, stab me with the sword, murder me now, kill me! Look-"

"You know Y/N" Wilbur started next to you. He lit a match and turned around to L'Manburg which was now filled with TNT.

"Somethings. Somethings were never meant to be." He threw the match into the huge pile of TNT and all in a second the obsidian underneath your feet disappeared as you fell into the explosion beneath you.

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"Fuck! Where am I?!" You shot up from your sleeping position in a cold sweat.

You frantically felt around the bed trying to convince yourself that you were physically at the castle in your bed. You finally caught your breath and laid back down in your bed finding yourself staring at the ceiling again. Even with the window open blowing cool air into the room, your skin still felt hot. You ended up tossing the covers off of you and making your way towards the entrance of the kingdom to get some air.

That dream was so much stuff in it you couldn't comprehend all of it. It was like Wilbur was there as if he was talking to you directly and it wasn't a dream and it made you second guess yourself and think that it may have not been a dream. You finally made it outside and sat on one of the steps that led people up into the kingdom. you sighed and breathed in the fresh air and it immediately relaxed your body and mind. You were alive, you were here and sadly Wilbur wasn't there. You closed your eyes and felt the breeze around you until you were startled by a figure beside you.

"You're up late. I thought you said you were mentally tired." Dream chuckled sitting beside you.

"I had a bad dream." You sighed.

"Hey don't take my name in vain like that" Dream laughed trying to bring up your mood.

Dream sighed and stood back up when he didn't get a response from his companion.

"Come one, let's go. Let's get your mind off of the one bad dream." Dream held his hand out, gesturing to you to take it.

You took his hand and then released it letting him lead the way to wherever the wind may take them. The dream is currently still stuck in your head. The voices from different people confused you and made your head spin.

"You want to be a hero Tommy?" What did that mean? Was someone threatening Tommy? Will someone threaten Tommy? You grew to care for that kid.

Who said "If I die, this country goes down with me"? What country. L'Manburg?

"If respect is the only thing protecting you from a knife in the back, then respect is nothing, right?" That one stumped you the most. you didn't even know if this was being spoken to you or to someone else. All of them except for the Tommy one.

Were they all even dreams? The one that haunted your mind the most was the one where someone was telling a man named Phil to kill them. Were you there for that moment? Did Phil kill the person? Who was Phil? All these thoughts and questions plagued your mind so much that your feet mindlessly carried you wherever Dream led you to.

"Here we are." Dream led You on top of a hill, a tall enough hill to see the main attraction. The place you missed the most, L'Manburg.

Tears started to form in your eyes and you tried blinking them away. All the moments of that dream appeared in your brain, but even stronger. you never felt these emotions before. Maybe L'Manburg was your home all along. you missed seeing Tubbo, Tommy, Eret and Fundy doing their own thing while your and Wilbur had a deep talk inside the van. you had spent weeks with them growing too attached to them and then ended up becoming a traitor.

"That place. You never belonged there. You're too good for them." Dream started and you stayed quiet watching the stars begin to disappear.

"Do you trust me?" Dream asked.

You stayed quiet not having the answer he wanted to hear. He wanted to hear you say that you trusted him when in reality you couldn’t, you weren't fully there yet, not anymore. 

"They lied to you. It's not your home." Dream continued on letting you listen and not talk.

"How did you know if someone said it was my home or not?" You asked, startled.

"I might've been keeping an eye on you. I wanted to make sure my flower was okay." Dream kept his gaze on L'Manburg.

"Stop calling me that." You sighed.

"I never started. This was the first time I said that. Who called you flower?" Dream suddenly got serious, staring at you.

you kept your sights on the obsidian walls, not sparing him a glance. The stars began to fade and the sun peeked over the horizon. As they stayed longer the sun rose over the walls of L'Manburg. You started to remember the words in the dream you had.

"You know everything the sun touches is yours? It's all of ours. It just so happens that you can see the sunset and sunrise from L'Manburg. You can do anything as long as you see the sun rise and fall."

L'Manburg stands for independence. Independence. That word kept ringing through your head like a mantra until a few voices below the hill and near the walls alerted you.

"HEY! Hey Wilbur! Give me back my shit!" Tommy yelled as he stomped after the older man.

"Wilbur get Tommy to stop shouting and give him his swords back please!" Fundy yelled trailing behind the two.

"No not until he learns not to go start stabbing shit!" Wilbur yelled back at the other two.

You missed that. you missed the bickering and the nonsense they all shared. you were upset that Tommy still hadn't learned his lesson and you wished you were there beside them at that moment.

Dream spoke up giving you a look you couldn’t quite get. "You are never allowed to step inside those walls again.

"What gives you the right to tell me what and what not to do? Who does that make you? Who do you think-"

"YOU ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO GO IN THOSE WALLS!" Dream yelled getting dangerously close to you.

You continued to stare at those blue eyes as the bright sun rose over the dark walls of L’Manburg. you didn't say anything but descended down the mountain alone with the sounds of Tommy, Fundy, and Wilbur bickering in the background, wishing you were there and not next to the man next to you who was staring at you angrily.

"I know what’s good for you! I know what's good for this country! Just trust me Y/N!" Dream yelled starting an argument

"Would you calm down! You came here to be all quiet and now you're yelling at me. You might want to be quiet before Wilbur hears you. Or do you want me to get him myself?" You yelled back, getting furious.

"Oh you wish! He doesn't care for you as much as me, Sapnap and George do! They agree as well!"

"Don't put words into his mouth!" You accused

"Oh! So if he cares so fucking much he would've help save you. And do you know what would happen if he saved you?! You would've died! I saved you! You were in a perfect situation and all you had to do is not complain! You're always overreacting." Dream ended with a huff and rolled his eyes while turning away..

you were speechless at this point. Overwhelming emotions consumed you. you couldn't believe you were overreacting. Maybe Wilbur wasn't everything you needed. you were overreacting, you were being selfish too. Dream was right. Dream walked over to you pulling you in a hug with L'Manburg was still in your sights.

"I did everything because I love you. You're too precious for them, you're not for them. They don't deserve you, you deserve someone who wants the best for you. A flower that needs a home and I'm here to give it to you." Dream softly explained.

Your eyes kept tearing up at the words and different emotions flowing through you. The sights on L'Manburg make your memories and questions come back. Where did you belong? But more importantly who was telling the truth?

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[thecoleopterawithana]

Hello, I'm the last anon you answered to. I'm sorry if I came out as defensive because it wasn't my intention. In fact I've always thought that John was bisexual until I started questioning everything. ( I'm a bisexual guy myself and I'm perfectly happy with the way I am ! ) It's just that I feel like Yoko would just say whatever she wants on John to suit her agenda. John's sexuality had always been an interesting topic and dropping something like that would gaib her publicity this is why I --

I question the authenticity of her claims. She could have lied about it just to attract attention… And I’d be disappointed because John was in fact my idol and he gave me the strength to come out as bi to my family. But there’s so many anecdotes about him being homophobic that it just makes me sad and this is why I hardly doubt that he was a bisexual man…As for the Cynthia quote I heard her say something like “ John was afraid of homosexuality just like everyone ) in a video on Youtube –

I am very conflicted because I’ve watched videos of John ( interviews etc ) and many comments said that he was very skilled at manipulating people and wasn’t as honest as he appeared to be, which is why I doubt. John had always been the rebellious type and I started thinking that he was using the bisexuality topic to shock and make people talk about it which is disappointing. Was he dropping hints that he was bi to piss off people and make publicity ? This is what I believe : (There is also -

Something he said to Alaister Taylor where he said that he was trying to spread the rumor that he was gay or bi just for fun and he told him that he would never shag a man because just the thought of it turned him off… Yet he also told him that he adored Brian so much that he would have done anything with him ( he contradict himself here. ) So yeah I didn’t want to be rude. I apologize. I think I need reassurance. Could you please analyse everything I said if u don’t mind please ? : (

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Anon 2

At the very least all these years later isn’t it circumstantially suggested that John had very private gay encounters, and was uncomfortable making them public, yet wanted to hint at them so he could deal with this matter int he future? He was protecting his privacy and his ego, and perhaps wasn’t yet ready to reveal either his encounters or mixed feelings of bisexuality. His encounters have been protected by those with whom he was involved, people thameant a lot to him, no?

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Anon 3

hey! by any chance, do you have knowledge of the quotes where john said “sex with girls felt like a performance after the first time” and “i was never sexually attracted to women before yoko”? i am SURE i’ve seen the first one somewhere on tumblr, though the second one is more of a quote of a quote so i’m not sure if it’s real or not dfkdjk thanks, anyway!

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Anon 4

Hello! Is it true that John used to be very attracted to the drag scene in St Pauli ( I guess that was the town I read about ) and that basically the drag / gay scene made him feel comfortable and at home? Says a lot about him!

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@tbhmarjj

I adore you, thank u for this blog and ur beautiful mind. i doubt johns bisexuality at times tbh considering he went to great lengths for publicity and he wanted to be an LGBT ally, be cool and outspoken and as he himself said it was trendy to be bi. but then again he was obsessed with Paul in so many ways and he was the embodiment of John’s ideal man. beautiful, talented, intellectual. I’ll be patiently awaiting ur posts exploring Paul’s views on johns sexuality.Thank u

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Hello again, anon! 

I want to begin by thanking you for getting back to me after I answered your ask and for clarifying where you were coming from when you wrote it. It really is quite hard to fully get the tone of a written message, especially one that is so short that you have no context to draw from to get the emotional meaning behind it. It really appeared to me when I read it that the concern was not who was saying it (Yoko) but about what was being said (John was bisexual). I can now see that was not the case and I appreciate that you’ve made that clear. 

I also hope you don’t mind, but I’ve taken the opportunity to include in this answer all of the other asks I’ve been receiving regarding John’s sexuality. It’s clearly a topic of great interest in this community. So I’ll be attempting to address all the points raised here. Again, this is nothing definitive; only my personal readings of the situation as I find it at the moment.

Before I do answer, though, I’d just like everyone to take a deep breath and a step back. Let’s try to examine this topic a bit more objectively. 

I understand that sex is kind of major in our society. Our notion of identity is tightly bound to our classified sexuality and gender. Sexual relationships (or amorous relationships) are seen as the epitome of human connection and the ideal everyone should be striving for. And people fundamentally want to be loved and not alone, so it makes sense that figuring out who is a potential companion (and if that companion is interested back) is such a big deal.

But despite these layers of meaning and societal pressures, we should keep in mind what sex represents, essentially, from an evolutionary point of view. 

For social animals who derive pleasure from sexual stimulation, sexual intercourse is – like all the other kinds of affection – a way to build connections. 

If you want to find examples in nature, just look at our ape cousins, the bonobos. The also called pygmy chimpanzee lives in a matriarchal society where sexual behaviour plays an essential role in strengthening social bonds, lowering tension and keeping the peace. Bonobos don’t discriminate between gender or age (except between mothers copulating with their own adult sons, so as to prevent cross-breeding). It’s the true “free love” society; evolution took “make love, not war” and ran with it. 

Our own culture seems more similar to that of bonobos’ northern neighbours, the common chimp. Their patriarchy is more conservative regarding sexual intercourse, which is mainly used for reproduction purposes, and their power structure is based around intricate political games, where males form alliances and try to get public support in order to overthrow the ruling party.

I find it endlessly curious to look at these two species, whose physical separation by the Congo river made them diverge so starkly in their social organization, and compare them to the struggle between these same two natures that we find in our own society. 

All this to say that, from a simply biological point of view, I have to agree with John and Yoko when they say that everyone must be bisexual. If sexual intercourse as a social behaviour is, inherently, all about establishing bonds and connections, the extent to which those connections are “allowed” to be built depends entirely on the hierarchal structure that same society is trying to preserve. In other words, what is classified as morally right or wrong is more reflective of the rules in place to keep that society working as it is, than it is of what is naturally present as a drive. 

If your brain is primed to seek pleasure and sexual intercourse brings you pleasure independently of the partner’s gender, then the partner’s gender should be inconsequential.

But unlike bonobos, humans are kind of touchy about touching. So there are other levels of information influencing behaviour. The processes of socialization – of internalizing the norms and ideologies of society – and enculturation – by which people learn the dynamics of their surrounding culture and acquire values and norms appropriate or necessary in that culture and worldviews – are as determinant as the genetic factors influencing behaviour. In fact, this added education can be so effective in curbing your “primal instincts”, that one might forget they have them in the first place. 

Thus, the concepts of gender identity and sexual orientation are a constantly shifting construct based on the various interactions between your genetic makeup and social influences. 

I just think that, in order to have this discussion, it’s important to separate the various levels of it and be clear about which we are referring to.

There is the basic evolutionary drive to seek pleasure and form connections.

There is the social education about that same drive and how it is allowed to manifest itself.

And integrating all these different signals and information – various potentials which manifested as attraction – there finally is a behaviour, a choice.

And finally, there’s the external point of view of other members of society looking in and trying to discern other people’s drives and how they relate to their choices (that’s us now). The problem is, we often throw our own drives and choices into the mix, especially with regards to something as personally defining as sexual orientation. 

So we have to make very clear in our minds what is the end goal here. Why are we interested in discussing this topic? Are we looking to discern as much of the truth as we can get it, objectively trying to understand these human beings? Or are we trying to confirm our own projections on them? And please, don’t take me wrong. All these are valid reasons to be interested in a subject. Often how it resonates with us, so personally, is vitally important to reaching a greater understanding about ourselves and learning how to communicate that to others. 

But in the same way a piece of music can make you have a transformative emotional experience that the artist didn’t necessarily go through, it’s important to remember that our own inner-life might be affecting how we examine others. Better be mindful of what we project, lest we think are finally seeing inside another person when in fact we are only looking at our own reflection. (And honestly, I believe getting to truly know ourselves in this processes can be a hundred times more valuable than knowing the other. By learning to recognize ourselves we can better understand other people and vice-versa.) 

So if it is important to you that John is bisexual, my honest opinion is that all the information can be read in a way that confirms it. We’ll hardly ever know for sure, and based on what we do know, that can certainly be the takeaway. 

But if we want to objectively examine John’s sexuality, we shouldn’t bring in a confirmation bias. Meaning that we should be emotionally detached from the outcome, as long as it is as close to the truth as we can get. But this is only where I’m coming from, and I’m a bit of a scientist. It’s totally fair if you’re not in it for the same reasons. Though again, working under the assumption that you want to know my stance on it, let’s proceed.

I understand your reservations regarding Yoko as an unreliable narrator. To analyse Yoko’s motivations would be an interesting topic, but one which I will not go in at the moment as I don’t feel sufficiently informed about Yoko as a person to give an extensive examination.  

But in my opinion, there is a whole lot of other information available from which to draw from other than Yoko’s statements. 

I also get your and @tbhmarjj‘s concerns about John’s declarations during the 70s. But it’s the same question I posed in the previous post: Was the “bisexual chic” fad of the 1970s merely a publicity stunt for those involved? Even if it was, did it make the experimentations undertaken any less true? Were they just faking it for the press or were they finally allowed to try and be open about it? 

Because I come from the biological background that places sex as a positive social interaction like any other, meaning that its purpose is to create bonds and the pleasure is our “reward” for doing it, I tend to believe that the behaviours were genuine. The drive there is real. As real as the internal constraints that would act on them as a result of societies shifting expectations and permissions. And this socialization is as determinant in the creation of sexual attraction as anything. So based on our definition of sexual orientation, all those bi rockstars of the 70s could have effectively stopped identifying as bi once the new social norm overrun their own internal drives and the previous less conservative status quo. That didn’t make them less bi when they were. 

It’s funny, but in terms of gender and sexuality, nothing is real so everything is. 

So yeah, I think that John could have been bisexual the second he felt he was. But because the social tide was likely to shift, it was better to also maintain a measure of deniability: it was just for show, it’s not serious, I was just taking the mickey out of you and you fell for it! Of course John was smart enough to leave space there to retract. He and Paul had mastered the art as communicators through song. They could claim them to mean everything and nothing as it suited them. As Anon 2 says, it’s a protective measure. 

So I think that at some point in time, John genuinely identified as bisexual. Now whether he acted on it or not is another questioned entirely. As Anon 2 points out, there are various circumstantial accounts, but these are always tougher to verify. 

I tend to believe Yoko when she says:

So did Lennon ever have sex with men?

“No, I don’t think so,” says Ono. “The beginning of the year he was killed, he said to me, ‘I could have done it, but I can’t because I just never found somebody that was that attractive.’ Both John and I were into attractiveness—you know—beauty.”

I ask what she makes of the people outside the building, the crowds still at Strawberry Fields.

Ono misunderstands, or mishears (or is simply focused on the last strand of our conversation), and continues to talk about sex.

“I don’t make anything out of it. When you’re not really interested in that sort of sex, you don’t think about it. Both John and I surprisingly were very passive people. Unless somebody made a thing out of it, if they made a move, I wouldn’t even think about it.”

— in Yoko Ono: I Still Fear John’s Killer by Tim Teeman for the Daily Beast (13 October 2015).

At least I believe he at least never “fully” did it, in the sense of full-blown anal sex. I think there might have been “milder” homosexual interactions, such as handjobs, that could be rationalized as not entirely gay (the thing with Brian in Spain being one of them.)

Regarding the drag scene in Hamburg Anon 4 was asking about, I agree that it also provides information about John. Though I think it’s mainly about his gender identity rather than his sexual orientation (though the two are invariably linked in the construct as well).

Here are some quotes about it:

With his four months’ greater experience, Sheridan was an ideal guide to the Reeperbahn’s more exotic diversions, like the Schwülen laden. Stu Sutcliffe later wrote home in amazement that the transvestites were ‘all harmless and very young’ and it was actually possible to speak to one ‘without shuddering’. Though raised amid the same homophobia as his companions, John seemed totally unshocked by St Pauli’s abundant drag scene; indeed, he often seemed actively to seek it out. ‘There was one particular club he used to like,’ Tony Sheridan remembers, ‘full of these big guys with hairy hands, deep voices—and breasts. But they used to make an effort to talk English. There was something about the place that seemed to make John feel at home.’

— In John Lennon: The Life by Philip Norman (2008).

And according to Horst Fascher (bouncer at the Indra Club and the Kaiserkeller):

It wasn’t just girls that were on offer to young english rockers. Monica’s Bar was Hamburg’s notorious transvestite club. For one or two English musicians, Monica’s was just another part of the Hamburg experience.

HORST FASCHER: One night Monica said, “Come, come and look. One of your boys is in the séparé.” “And who is it?” And she said, “One of the Beatles.” “Let me look”. She said, “Be careful. Look only sneaky-like.” But I did. I grabbed the curtain, pulled it aside and there was sitting John in… in a position with that girl, and you know. He felt really ashamed and I said, “John, don’t worry man. I did that all before.”

— In The Beatles Biggest Secrets. [Transcription is my own and I’m not too certain of it.]

Though there certainly might have been an aspect of sexual interest to it, I think John’s fascination with the drag scene was also the kinship with the queerness he felt inside himself; mainly in regards to him wanting to express his more sensitive side, which is coded as feminine in our society. So I think seeing men indulging in femininity and nonnormative behaviour resonated with him.

Also, I think it’s even more important to understand John’s relationship with sex in general, regardless of the partner. 

To that end, the quote mentioned by Anon 3 is of special relevance:

When I was a kid, I wanted to shag every attractive woman I saw. I used to dream that it would be great if you could just click your fingers and they would strip off and be ready for me. I would spend most of my teenager years fantasising about having this kind of power over women. The weird thing is, when the fantasies came true they were not nearly so much fun. One of my most frequent dreams was seducing two girls together, or even a mother and a daughter. That happened in Hamburg a couple of times and the first time it was sensational. The second time it got to feel like I was giving a performance. You know how when you make love to a woman that the moment you come, you get a buzz of relief and just for a moment you don’t need anyone or anything. The more women I had, the more the buzz would turn into a horrible feeling of rejection and revulsion at what I’d been doing. As soon as I’d been with a woman, I wanted to get the hell out.

— John Lennon to Alistair Taylor (Brian Epstein’s assistant), 1965. In his autobiography With the Beatles: A Stunning Insight by The Man who was with the Band Every Step of the Way (2003).

And another important passage is in reference to Janov’s Primal Scream Therapy:

Well, his thing is to feel the pain that’s accumulated inside you ever since your childhood. […] The worst pain is that of not being wanted, of realising your parents do not need you in the way you need them. When I was a child I experienced moments of not wanting to see the ugliness, not wanting to see not being wanted. This lack of love went into my eyes and into my mind. […] Most people channel their pain into God or masturbation or some dream of making it. […] But for me at any rate it was all part of dissolving the Godtrip or father-figure trip. Facing up to reality instead of always looking for some kind of heaven.

— John Lennon, interviewed by Robin Blackburn and Tariq Ali for Red Mole (8-22 March 1971). [I really can’t stop pointing to this quote as one of the most important in order to understand John Lennon.]

As he reiterates in ‘I Found Out’ (1970): Some of you sitting there with yer cock in yer hand / Don’t get you nowhere don’t make you a man

To me, John’s pursuit of sex is, like most things in his life, essentially about filling this black-hole of emotional pain. He internalized the lack of love from his parents, which went into his eyes and mind, until he himself believed he was unlovable. This lack of self-esteem translates into a lot of pain and the need for an external solution for that pain. 

The external solution is not wanting to feel so vulnerable any more. This can be achieved either by trying to seize control, by exerting it over others or having them look up to you (e.g. “fantasising about having this kind of power over women”; “some dream of making it”). Or it can be achieved by handing control over and being taken care of (e.g. “people channel their pain into God”, “I’ve seen religion from Jesus to Paul”.)

Sex as an activity can play into these various dynamics: it can be used to feel power over others, as John started out; it can be used as an escapist distraction, like a drug (e.g. “you get a buzz of relief and just for a moment you don’t need anyone or anything”); and it can be used as giving yourself over and being loved, looking to receive that which you can’t get from yourself. 

As time passed and the first two solutions stopped working, I think John focused on the third: sex in the context of an emotionally close relationship as the ultimate intimacy and proof that he was loved. And because he wanted to absolve himself of responsibility, to be taken care of, his partner needed to be someone on the other end, someone who had control. In our culture, this reads as a masculine figure (e.g. “father-figure trip”). 

This may be from a female, whose masculine qualities were what attracted John in the first place:

In this intense, intimate and revealing original cassette recording of a private conversation in 1969 between John Lennon and Yoko Ono, the couple speaks primarily about Yoko’s past relationships, her music and art, and their random views on sex, love, promiscuity, and homosexuality. […] [Lennon] adds that he had never met an attractive woman that had sexually aroused him to any great degree.

— Description of the 45-minute audiotape auctioned in 2009 by Alexander Autographs.

I used to say to him, ‘I think you’re a closet fag, you know.’ Because after we started to live together, John would say to me, ‘Do you know why I like you? Because you look like a bloke in drag. You’re like a mate.’

— Yoko Ono, interviewed for New York Magazine (25 May 1981).

Or the partner he was looking for could be found in the (often dominant) person he was most emotionally invested in his whole life. 

All I want is you / Everything has got to be just like you want it to

And in a society that establishes that the closest two people can be, the greatest intimacy they can share, the ultimate declaration of love is to live in a monogamous amorous relationship, is it any wonder that John felt he could only believe in their relationship if they were together like that? Is it any wonder that he would doubt Paul’s affections because Paul apparently wasn’t willing to express them like that? 

JOHN: It’s a plus, it’s not a minus. The plus is that your best friend, also, can hold you without… I mean, I’m not a homosexual, or we could have had a homosexual relationship and maybe that would have satisfied it, with working with other male artists. [faltering] An artist – it’s more – it’s much better to be working with another artist of the same energy, and that’s why there’s always been Beatles or Marx Brothers or men, together. Because it’s alright for them to work together or whatever it is. It’s the same except that we sleep together, you know? I mean, not counting love and all the things on the side, just as a working relationship with her, it has all the benefits of working with another male artist and all the joint inspiration, and then we can hold hands too, right?

SHEVEY: But Yoko is a very independent person. Isn’t it— [inaudible]

JOHN: Sure, and so were the men I worked with. The only difference is she’s female.

SHEVEY: But you didn’t find it difficult to make that transition?

JOHN: Oh yeah. I mean, it took me four years. I’m still not – I’m still only coming through it, you know.

— Interview with Sandra Shevey (June 1972).

I know I keep posting this quote, but I don’t think he can make it more obvious than that: it’s not about the sex. Or rather, the sex is not the primary thing. 

He didn’t push all those years because he was uncontrollably horny for Paul. John just wants a physical manifestation, a more tangible “proof”, of his emotional connections. He wants to be able to hold hands, be held and perhaps also have sex with his best friend; he needs those proofs of love through the means of physical affection because he won’t believe Paul’s love for him is there otherwise (or that it’s as great as John’s).

Would society normalizing other kinds of relationships – such as friendships – to be as important or on the same level as amorous (romantic/sexual) ones, have helped John and Paul? Most likely. 

Would society normalizing same-sex amorous relationships have helped John and Paul? Perhaps. (For this one we would have to look more closely at Paul’s needs and desires.)

All this to say that John’s idea of sexuality was extremely influenced by society, and in his case, the rule “amorous relationships are the normative ones” outweighed the “heterosexual relationships are the normative ones”. 

The conflict occurred when from Paul’s perspective, the priority of the rules was the other way around. I think Paul was ready to ignore society’s norm and live his life with his friendship with John as the most important relationship. But he also wanted a heterosexual one. (But more on that on a post of its own.)

For now, I hope I have more or less managed to express my thoughts on the matter of John’s sexuality. 

Thank you so much for reading through all that and for reaching out in the first place! I truly appreciate it!

[ineedrelationshipadvice]

I'm polyamorous and it's clear from your answers to poly questions that you've read some of the basics but you don't have a great grasp on what it means to actually be poly. (Yes, "be," not "choose". If you listened to the poly ppl who write in to you you'd know some DO identity as poly.) Any chance you might get a poly mod to help you with those questions? Check out polyadvice, she gives wonderful answers to similar questions, you could learn about the identity from her.

Big ol’ rubbish essay under the cut. 

You are correct, some people who write in do identify themselves as poly. This is why I recorrect them with the facts, that polyamory - at this time - is not a sexual identity. 

While I’m sure you consider yourself very knowledgeable about polyamory, it seems that while I fail to understand the experiences of a polyamorous person - makes sense, because I live a monogamous lifestyle - you struggle to understand the depth of what polyamory is at a fundamental level. You sought to insist upon me your belief that polyamory is an identity, and I thank you for that. Now let me respond with my knowledge. 

So the question is there: What is polyamory? Is it a lifestyle or an identity? There are many people who claim to BE poly, that they cannot CHOOSE to be poly because it is within their very bones. That is their opinion. However, the research is not quite there yet to support their claim, and academics insist that poly can be a self-identity for some, even though it is their lifestyle.

Okay, what the fuck does that mean? 

Let’s analyze this as what monogamy is first. Monogamy is the lifestyle of the majority of the population (largely due to social norms) whereupon people are only interested in dating one person at a time. It’s common throughout the majority of cultures, and is generally seen as a standard, even though that’s kind of a silly societal expectation, but hey, people are dumb sometimes.

But note that first thing I said. Monogamy is a lifestyle. I’m not merely claiming that polyamory is a lifestyle - I claim they are BOTH lifestyles. Looking at me, someone who is distinctly monogamous, you have to ask the question: Could you fall in love with multiple partners? 

Well... yes. Quite easily in fact. Nothing inherently stops me, as a monogamous person, from loving and being in romantic association with other people. I could easily have dozens of partners if I wanted to. I simply don’t want to. In my life, I make a deliberate choice not to have more than one person in my life at a time. Why? It’s not because I wasn’t BORN THIS WAY, because again, if I wanted to, I could do it. I just think poly relationships for me personally are a hassle. I do not trust people, and do not bond with people well. This means while I’m very liberal with my relationships in general, once I’m in a relationship, I buckle down and get REALLY into it. I want that relationship to be the best relationship, and I put 100% of myself into that relationship so that it is successful. I stop flirting with others so as not to risk a perception of cheating, I friend-zone former crushes because I naturally lose interest now that I’m in a relationship and have reached contentment, and if people approach me for any sort of romance, I flatly deny them, fundamentally uninterested in their advances. 

Compare that to a poly person’s experience. Could a poly person date only one person for the rest of their life? Sure, if the choose to. Perhaps this person meets that very right person. They care about them deeply, and want to be with them as long as possible. But perhaps this person is not poly; perhaps they don’t like that lifestyle of multiple partners, because it hurts their feelings and they get jealous. If the poly person desired that person, and did not want to pass up a beautiful relationship just for their preferred openness, then they have the ability to choose to have one partner. It’s a choice. 

Or another example. Perhaps the poly person finds a partner, and they’re having a great time. Ideally, the poly person wants more partners in this relationship. But over time, they are not able to find anyone to consent to the relationship, or in searching, they just don’t find anyone interested in associating with them long-term. Or maybe they are approached by others, but don’t like them, or the first partner doesn’t like them. Whatever the case, they just don’t find anyone who’s interested. For someone who is NATURALLY AND BIOLOGICALLY insistent upon multiple partners, this would be life-ruining; their entire being would fall apart. Except... it doesn’t. Because poly people make a choice to have multiple relationships. And if they are unable to find more people to unite with them in their larger relationship, then they simply don’t worry about it. They choose polyamory, but are restricted to monogamy - not by a biological necessity - but simply because they don’t find anyone worthy of their poly relationship, in one form or the next. 

Now compare THAT comparison of monogamy and polyamory to something that isn’t a choice: sexuality. 

Sexuality is NOT a choice. Decades of research that has pretty handily proven that LGBTQ people are the way they are at a deep level. They don’t choose to be a boy and want to suck all the dongers, and they don’t choose to be asexual and not have romantic feelings; it’s just who they are, at a base level. 

If you are bisexual - and I am - you know that from a very early age, the restrictions of society don’t seem to apply to you. You know that both genders are attractive, and although people might tell you that’s not acceptable, it doesn’t make it less true. You get physiologically aroused by both genders, and you are psychologically interested in both genders. This same sort of thing plays out if you’re gay, if you’re straight, if you’re asexual, et al. 

Sexuality is not a choice; it is not a lifestyle - it is a matter of being, an identity that exists beyond you. Deep down, this is what you are, even if you actively deny it, and even if you actively avoid it. Choosing not to be gay by not associating with the same gender romantically doesn’t make you less gay, and as forced conversion therapy consistently shows, it doesn’t make people less gay because you can’t be less of something that you are. It is no different from being of a race; you don’t choose not to be black, or Asian, or Native American, or Persian. It’s just who you are, and while some people can “pass” as a race that they are not, the very word of “passing” implies that they are avoiding a truth, avoiding a reality for some other reason than acknowledgement. 

These things are not lifestyles; they are inherent to the person.

The argument from some poly folks frequently comes, “But I have always felt an attraction to multiple partners.” And sure, for many, I’m sure they never really had boundaries on relationships in their youth. They may have played house with multiple “significant others,” many little wives and husbands; maybe they’ve always maintained loose relationship boundaries, and have frequently romanced many partners simultaneously, either in strict poly relationships, or in more formal ones. 

But is that an inherent part of them, or is it just something that happened in their lives? That comes down to a very Nature vs Nurture argument, and as science shows, the answer of Nature vs. Nurture is both simultaneously. For a poly person, this means that yes, perhaps they are influenced to enjoy multiple partners just because they enjoy it. But enjoying something isn’t a requirement of life; choosing to enjoy something is just that, a choice. And perhaps some people have been raised in a way that liberates them to have multiple partners, and they grew up without the constraints of monogamous society slowing them down. But again, they are “liberated” to make a choice about how they construct their relationships; they make a choice in their daily life to not be monogamous, and instead be polyamorous. 

Is polyamory a biologically driven imperative? It could be argued that most animals are polyamorous, having many many different partners throughout their lifetimes. And yes, human bodies - and most procreating species - are built upon the idea that mating with the most number of partners insures the survival of the species. 

But there are a few problems with a biological argument for polyamory. Firstly, monogamy itself is not a biological imperative. Monogamy is a social construct not based in reality. There are biological benefits to monogamy, such as easier raising of offspring, but that’s about it. Short of a few animals like some birds, humans have chosen in our societies to be monogamous. It was a choice made over a long period of time and evolution, by all cultures (save a few), and has been shown to be effective. That’s why people continue to be monogamous largely: it works, and everyone’s happy. They choose to be monogamous because of the benefits it serves. 

Polyamory being the opposite of monogamy would suggest it’s special, that it’s actually baked into the human mind and anatomy. But if monogamy, it’s counterpoint, is not an orientation - not something inherently natural about humans - it’s only logical that polyamory is not inherently natural either. 

Secondly, if polyamory was biologically beneficial for humans, we would have evolved to prefer it. That sounds a little judgey, because it makes monogamy sound “superior” to polyamory. But from a biologist’s perspective, it is in a way. The reality is, humans take a LONG fucking time to make a baby. And once that baby is porn, it’s basically a walking, illiterate poop creation machine for at least 5 years before it can finally start operating as a coherent human being, and even then, not very well. 

That long child-rearing period is benefited by close, monogamous relationships. Having two people, constantly caring for their child, aids the child in surviving. This isn’t to say that polyamory can’t do the same thing, because it can. It’s just to say that, evolutionary, that didn’t really happen, in the same way that it didn’t happen for the majority of birds, wolves, elephants, etc. Those species also benefited from monogamy. 

The point of all this hard analysis is this: polyamory is a choice because, largely, it is a social construct. In the same way that us dumb humans tend to group in single-pairings for relationships by choice, polyamorous folks can choose to not do that and instead have many partners and spouses. 

And that’s totally okay. But to claim falsely that it is an identity - a biological imperative from deep within the human psyche - is wrong. The science just isn’t there. And you better believe that I’ll be the first person to step up if that science changes, but there haven’t been many peer-reviewed studies on the identity argument for polyamorous individuals. 

At the end of the day, what I believe doesn’t matter. Because whether polyamory is an identity or a lifestyle, it doesn’t make it WRONG. In fact, polyamory is awesome, and the better choice for many people who feel far too restricted by monogamy. I applaud anyone who is polyamorous to do their own thing. Any complaint society throws at poly people is bigoted and stupid, and not merited, because polyamory is a perfectly acceptable way to have relationships. 

But an identity is not. And I will continue to insist upon that until the research changes, and do my best to educate people that while polyamory is not an identity, it doesn’t matter whether it is or isn’t, because they should do what feels right. 

(I had a really great post on Polyamory as related to someone else’s question awhile back. So if you want to read that, be my guest. 

And I was aware of polyadvice. She’s chill, and I definitely recommend any poly folks who read the blog go follow and direct poly advice to her, because her opinions are WAY more valuable than mine on the subject since I’ve always lived a monogamous lifestyle, and don’t really know the details as well as someone who lives them would.)

EXTRA READING AND STUFF: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11]

[ciircumserpent]

I really want you to talk to me about Snake' line "I'm not like you. I love life!" It makes me so emotional and I love your insight of things.

i think it serves in great part to 1) characterize snake as something other than the stoic action hero and 2) show the distinction between big boss and snake.

i’m glad this line exists because in retrospect it works very well against snake’s characterization in mgs1, which is a gradual breakdown of a cliche. people who play the game without stopping to analyze snake ( which is whatever i’m not judging tbh i don’t do a psych eval of every protagonist of every video game i play ) tend to peg him as a typical soldier stereotype: he’s a jerk, he’s war torn, he’s tired, he’s gruff, he’s sexual, etc. but while all of these are true, kojima has gone on record more than once as stating that he wanted snake to deconstruct that stereotype, especially with regards to an accurate portrayal of what effects ptsd can have on a person’s personality. so that line really highlights who snake was before the end of mg2, and also supports the idea that he coped well with what happened in outer heaven – it was not his first response to trauma to isolate himself and submit to depression; he remained active in his field and was still relatively social despite the nightmares that plagued him. he was clearly very upset, but he was also working hard to continue living a relatively ‘normal’ life by his own standards. and that makes mgs1′s ending and snake’s continued characterization more poignant: he’s so much closer to what he had before zanzibar, but he’s still irreparably damaged. the number of friendships he can maintain is limited, as is his happiness, but he’s recovered a little bit of who he was, and that’s a victory that should be celebrated.

it succinctly establishes snake’s values, in part because it can be read in multiple ways. snake loves being alive ( mgs1 expands upon this and makes it so much sadder because by that point the only thing that makes him feel alive is being in combat ), but he also loves the world and humanity in general, and despite being a soldier he still places value in other people’s right to life. this raises a lot of contradictions and arguments, which, contrary to popular belief… isn’t actually a bad thing. none of his appearances in future games retcon this core foundation of who snake is. things change a little, and he weighs their importance differently as time goes on, but that’s just an example of characterization marching forward, and, since most people don’t exist stagnantly, it makes him more human. he’s allowed to change his mind or develop a more universal, informed point of view, but the fundamentals of what he believes in remain the same. i mean, it’s also not a mistake that this statement is so naive. snake is speaking to someone much older and much more experienced than him, and his rebuttal is basic. it’s childish, even. but when he grows up, he doesn’t discover that any of this is false. on the contrary, he just learns how true it is, while also realizing that it’s much more complicated than he originally thought. this goes so far in supporting the central theme of metal gear: that, so long as people with good values are willing to fight for what they believe in, the world can become a better place. and, more often than not, people exhibit both positive and negative traits, but they ultimately decide how they are going to behave and what beliefs they are going to act on. this idea of loving life isn’t broken down and trashed over the course of the series, which would have been so easy to do for a gritty or silly series. instead, it’s built up and fleshed out and as things get darker and the cast gets older, it only becomes truer.

then it serves as the dividing line between snake and big boss. i talked a little with @raisondetrc about how snake and big boss are foils in the full narrative. they’re both soldiers with exceptional skill, a little rough around the edges and deeply damaged by what they’ve experienced in war. big boss outwardly comes across as more naive, though the audience knows that eventually he will act on his childish beliefs and will do great harm to others, resulting in a rolling crisis that lasts for the next fifteen years of game canon. snake, contrastingly, is extremely reserved and focused on the surface, which lends to him being read as mature, while in truth he’s actually very gullible and has plenty of soft spots. big boss apparently cares for his comrades and subordinates and calls them his ‘family’, but the truth is that he would sacrifice any of them to further his own goals and is profoundly selfish, never stopping to think of the toll he’s taking on his ‘friends’ and believing up until his death that the world revolves around him. snake tries to convince everyone he comes across that he doesn’t need nor want friends and that he’s much happier alone, but obviously cares deeply for the people he’s grown close to and would sacrifice everything for them, including his own life. big boss does not actually enjoy being alive and believes that he is trapped in a never-ending cycle of killing and dodging death, but greedily clings to life and sucks the happiness out of others to keep himself afloat ( re: big boss is a vampire; for example, all of the children of zanzibar are orphans he made by building an illegal military nation in africa and throwing all of their parents into labor camps or pressing them into service and then not intervening before the nato bombing and instead swooping in afterwards to act as a savior ). snake does enjoy life and loves the world but is suicidal and self-destructive. big boss thinks the world of himself. snake has horrible self-esteem.

so snake’s ‘i love life’ tells you everything you need to know about these characters and there isn’t even any voice acting to help it along ( and imo it’s better that way because there’s no way to ruin it with a poor delivery ). big boss is preaching about how awful the united states is and how good he’s been to his soldiers and how ready he is to accept them, but in the end, his genial attitude towards snake and everything he claims is true about zanzibar is a sham. snake has been running around murdering people, going so far as to kill his former best friend, but he still believes that the world is good and that he can make something more of himself than this.

it’s... one of my favorite lines in the series because it gently blankets and contextualizes everything else, and if you get to the end of mgs4 and you remember it the entire experience just becomes so much more emotional. i love snake so much he just tries so hard.

[batcoralstudentheart-blog]

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