#but even without coriolanus I also think sejanus would go for the WORST possible men alive

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sejanus 🤝🏾 vesta

deserving better, not wanting better anyway

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The Snow's love triangle not triangle

Another day without me learning to shut up so this is going to be a long one. Two warnings though, because I will talk superficially about not so nice topics like misogyny, homophobia, toxic masculinity, grooming and age gap. It is also important to remember that except for Tigris, I do find the Snow interesting but I have no sympathy for them and that is reflected in my headcanons although it shouldn't be a surprise anymore because every day I am insulting them.

Let's start. First a super quick recap of who the main characters in this drama are: Crassus. Julia. Cornelius and Aelia.

Crassus is our unloved annoying middle child. I think he is a brat in every definition, too arrogant for this life and too terrified of people knowing he is gay. Yes that is what makes him so repressed and aggressive.

In general he hates women so much it's ridiculous, not only because he was raised with these ideas that a woman can't be smarter and stronger than a man that make every time he meets a more capable woman he ends up feeling deeply humiliated. But because, as I said, he is actually aware that he is not attracted to them and feels very resentful towards them for the same reason. He thinks that somehow it is their fault and not his. This also makes Crassus afraid to associate himself with any trait he considers feminine and this is where his thing with Cornelius his younger brother comes in.

I don't think any of the stupid 3 or the Snow brothers are spared from being on the spectrum of toxic masculinity. Not even Marius who I think is the most prudent and cordial of the 3 but there is something about Cornelius that makes him quite indifferent to various issues that Crassus does have a heart attack over. For example. He tried horseback riding and had a female instructor. Those are the kind of details that would have Crassus making a fuss. Likewise it is notable to say Cornelius was very fond of the theater and operas. This is relevant for later.

Crassus hates Cornelius very much in a strange form of envy and feeling stronger because at least within the family Crassus is beneath many people. Not just his dumb older brother but a bunch of cousins and uncles who would never listen to him so Cornelius is pretty much like his only worthy person within his household that he can easily mistreat without receiving repercussions. And I say worthy person because Crassus probably mistreated others but didn't necessarily consider those people on the same level as him to care or feel satisfied about do that.

All of this I mentioned because it is relevant to understanding the Julia Snow disaster and how she ends up in their lives.

Julia Dorrance. Snow in the future. She is the mother of Coriolanus and as I said sometime in the past intentionally was made to mirror Lucy Gray, Sejanus and Livia Cardew. Lonely and fragile girl. Overly protected and pampered by her parents. With health problems.

A hyper-feminine lesbian who was never told that kissing girls was a possibility. The Snows as the worst lavender marriage was a joke that I later took too seriously for drama. Julia in this respect is a contrast to Crassus. While he too presents a hypermasculinized gender expression as I said he is painfully aware of the attraction he feels for other men. In his college years is in fact when he tries to explore some things in the Casca - Pluribus disaster to then close himself off and become even more conservative if possible.

Julia on the other hand never knew that she lacked an attraction towards men and that her too intense ties with other women could be romantic and sexual.  She has no idea that her extreme admiration for other girls can be categorized that way and I firmly believe that in reality if someone had presented her with that option maybe things would have turned out very differently.

Julia likes to sing and I think she wore a lot of make-up and overly colorful dresses. She was quite nice and her singing is important because she loved musical plays and that obviously I think you can feel may already be relevant. Now we just need to explain a little bit about Aelia Mars and we can go quickly with the triangles.

So Aelia Mars is the cousin of the Snows. Tigris' mother. Not the only cousin they have but like I said she's relevant because she's marrying Marius. Speaking of connections to the fashion world and that it's a classic that powerful guys date with, I decided to make her a model.

She's kind of like a modern, "independent" girl who obviously Grandma Snow hated. I say independent in the sense that she bought her own apartment thanks to her job and actually may not have planned to have kids until then she ends up in that relationship with Marius who is like, yeah he was the smartest of the 3 and I think the least unbearable but he was very much a conservative and boring man.

Sadly Aelia and he genuinely liked each other so there's a theme of Aelia giving up all that independence to be the perfect wife to a Snow. And like 2 years after Tigris is born, the fool dies.

Yes yes Marius' death is the big drama but before we go with that let's go to Julia and the Snows. She meets Crassus through Casca since the Highbottoms and the Dorrance were friends and it happened that the 3 of them coincided in the same space and since she didn't know almost anyone she stuck to Casca and since Casca and Crassus spent all their time together, yes but she ends up getting involved with the Snows for a petty stupid joke.

Crassus as we know liked to make miserable the life of his little brother but he is an idiot who never thought what would bother Cornelius and he used himself as a reference, that is to say many of his jokes will only make him be mad LMAO. That's how at his 16 he have the great idea of made a playdate between his little brother and Julia because both were little children of 8 years. The "joke" was that Julia will bring dolls and other "girly things" to play. And that somehow should made Cornelius be MAD, OFFENDED. Clearly that don't happen, his little brother literal don't care about play with dolls, and he actually have a good time with Julia.

That marks the beginning of the end, because I think maybe to annoy Crassus, and because he really liked Julia, he will invite her back and Cornelius will end up becoming genuine friends with Julia, something that will unite them a lot is that they both liked the theater, I think it becomes a kind of habit that they follow every year to go together to a play. This is quite wholesome I must say but the problem with Cornelius and Julia becoming close is that the poor girl consequently had a lot of contact with Crassus.

I mean in the end they end up married for a reason, and yes, a lot of that has to do with grooming, because I think Crassus despite his aggressive misogyny, never hated Julia, I think she was quite impressed because Crassus is a jerk yes but he's the most athletic of the 3, he's very popular, “handsome” (I always say all Snow's are ugly hahaha but I guess he fit the typical beauty standard and had people who adored him), and actually to Julia is one of the few people he acts charming and “polite” to. She was very sincere about how much she thought Crassus was great so obviously he was going to like her, plus since Julia was practically a child, she was quite moldable, so it's no surprise Crassus had no problem dealing with a little girl who was easy to make happy by giving her compliments on her dresses.

There's a lot to why Crassus ends up choosing her, why he makes a conscious effort to make Julia like him but that's a topic for another day, what is relevant is that in the end Julia ends up married to Crassus. I think the fool's brother ever liked Julia? In the end they were friends, and my answer is yes. I also think that played a part, as I said Crassus liked to ruin things for his little brother too much, and I think Cornelius just resigned himself to it. And Julia? She never really liked any of them, it was just Crassus who made promises to her (which he never kept. All that stuff Casca says about swearing freedom and love, because that's usually an important part of grooming, Julia was often treated by everyone as if she couldn't take care of herself, and Crassus was the only one believing that she was actually mature and capable ah but that's not good because she was literally a child).

Too Crassus is the one who seemed most capable of protecting Julia, Cornelius is pretty weak if I'm honest, and despite everything, Crassus is going to believe that Julia is cheating on him with his brother, but that never happened. And now it's time to talk about the real cheating, or something like that, because nothing really happened but it did happen.

Crassus was about 27-26, when his brother dies. His fiancée was 16 and Tigris was actually 2 years old, when her mom lost it.

Marius is killed in a rebel plot, because I think d13 was screwing things up before declaring war completely, and the Snows had a monopoly, so obviously they were the main ones affected, but at the time no one knew that happened. It was just a "very unfortunate accident" that actually got them in a mess about their reputation, there was a big overblown funeral, and Tigris' mother gave a very public exposé of her grief.

Because that man was a loser like all the Snows but he was also her loser, and then there was that thing I mentioned about the things she sacrificed and how it all went down the drain. She's not a perfect wife anymore, she's a widow.

I think Aelia is going to neglect Tigris a little bit, just a little bit, nothing too serious, she's just going to end up spending more time with her nanny, and then there's Julia who is completely crazy, and in love. Aelia was a model, of course she saw her in magazines, on TV, and in big posters, I think Julia was very excited the first time she met her, and she always had this kind of deep admiration for Aelia.

And then they are family. Or they're going to be. Crassus asks for her hand, and then they go to the funeral together, and I think Julia was kind, and she's the one who cares the most about the woman who cried like that over a casket. So I won't say she's going to steal Tigris, but I think she liked children, and it influences the way everyone has treated Julia, (like a doll), and she thinks that is doing a good thing. She also want to help, so when Aelia is too busy avoiding her daughter (that looks a lot like her husband, or in her mind that was the case, I think Tigris was very similar to her own mother actually), Julia pop up, wanting to be a cool aunt, to help the woman she admires a lot, and takes Tigris to shopping, to the playground, to the theater, to many places. It's a pretty harmless activity and she doesn't do it all the time but she does it often enough that eventually Aelia gets annoyed, because in fact, she felt it in a way like Julia was trying to take her daughter away from her, there's a fight, and she basically yells at Julia who probably ended up crying.

But then Aelia feels bad, because Julia is really just a teenager? and she's like basically one of the few people who seems to show any real concern for her feelings? The thing is, this seals it. Because this is the cheating that happens, in a way.

Let's see I don't think Tigris' mother, is interested in dating someone thats a minor, and I think it takes a while for Julia to develop a crush in the full sense of the word, and one that's obvious enough but she end up there and Aelia notices it but never do nothing about it, because she possesses what I call the Snow flaw. Again Julia is honest about how much she believed Crassus is great, the same goes for she saying the same about Aelia, and Aelia's ego really enjoys those compliments and having someone who seems genuine, so from her perspective, they develop a friendship, almost sisterhood, that clearly can survive the fact Julia is attracted to her.

The years go by, and I think that once Coriolanus is born, the fact that he and Tigris were so close, comes a lot from his mother practically wanting them to be like siblings, something very normal, which clearly has nothing to do with how much in love she is with her sister-in-law lmao.

This affects the relationship between Julia and Crassus, because although he never liked Julia in that way, he really enjoyed that she “was madly in love with him”, so he did not take it well that with each day it is more obvious that she is not affected at all that he goes to the districts to do who knows what, of course Crassus you can go for a month and she will not lose sleep.

So he convinces himself that she is cheating on him. Because sure, that's the obvious answer, and it's not a total lie, for one thing, Julia is emotionally involved with someone and that person is not Crassus, but then again, it's not like there's really anything tangible going on between her and Aelia either, I don't think Julia is even aware that she wants a romantic relationship with her, actually, but Crassus more or less can see there's something off about Julia.

And since he's obviously Crassus, first dead before he would consider his wife would cheat on him with another woman, so he thought about it and thought about it and was like “oh sure it must be that bastard.” That bastard is clearly his younger brother, he even invented a plot about his son fatherhood because Coriolanus, Cornelius, are suspiciously similar names!

Nah is a joke, I mean, I call him Cornelius for that reason but in reality is that, we know the play exists within Panem, so I think completely Julia saw it, and she was the one who proposed the name and did everything to convince her husband, and Crassus always believed it was weird how much she wanted the name Coriolanus, and he remember then, his little brother and Julia have this thing of see plays together, so he made up all a shit in how JULIA CHEAT HIM AND WAS LAUGHING AT HIS BACK!!!!!!

And that is the triangle not triangle, as in theory there is Crassus-Aelia-Julia, but Crassus believes it is him, his brother and Julia. @meekmedea