#but beloved had the fewest periods of happiness
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Fitz-was abandoned by his mother at 5 (I know she wasn’t given a choice but from his POV,) was forced to sleep in the barn with the animals, wasn’t given an actual name so adopted shorthand for bastard to call himself, was dressed in drab ill fitting clothes and neglected deliberately so he wouldn’t attract attention, never met his father, was told by his grandfather at 9 that his choices were to be a spy and assassin or to die, was forced into killing by the time he was a preteen, was rejected and abused by his foster father when he realized he was Witted, lost 2 Wit partners before he even hit puberty and accidentally became overly enmeshed with his 3rd, was discriminated against for having the Wit in the first place, was terrorized and eventually tortured to death by his jealous uncle, had suicidal ideation magically imprinted on his brain by an abusive teacher who also damaged his ability to do magic, didn’t meet his first daughter until she was a teenager, had his body used to conceive his cousin without his full consent and could never tell him the truth, accidentally fucked up his psyche by removing too many of his emotions by magic and became a dick until they were returned 16 years later, returned to his childhood home posing as a servant and resurfacing all of his trauma over not feeling like a real member of his family, lost his deeply enmeshed Wit partner and refused to ever find another one, fell in love with his male best friend in an intensely homophobic society, lost said best friend in a terrible way while fulfilling his dying wish and saving the world, brought the best friend back only for him to break off their bond and leave, didn’t see him for 30 years, had a slow developing second daughter he struggled to bond with, became a single dad to a child he didn’t know how to properly care for, accidentally nearly killed his homoerotic best friend who was frail and had been tortured into insanity, his daughter was abducted by the evil magic eugenics cult that did it while he was trying to save the friend, went on a suicidal revenge quest against the magic eugenics cult, his daughter experienced horrific traumas during this time and was hardened into the Destroyer, nearly drowned on cult island, was infected by body destroying parasites that ate him from the inside out, died while being gawked at by everyone as he tried to transfer his consciousness into a stone wolf with his gay bestie
The Fool-raised by loving parents for his first 20 years before they inadvertently dropped him off with an abusive cult, was isolated and faced physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, had a substitute parent figure abandon him when she I longer found him useful, was forcibly held down and tattooed with a full back piece, sold himself into slavery in order to escape, had faced such extensive sexual abuse that he expected to be raped his first night in his new location, shunned by most people who see him as a “freak,” beaten by the kings favorite son and his friends, loses his father figure and his only friend/Catalyst for his life’s work in one night, reunites with his friend/Catalyst who he has fallen in love with but has no choice but to leave him for 15 years shortly after, upon reuniting with him his friend finds out about his love for him and angrily rejects it and is openly disgusted by his sexuality and gender presentation, he finds out through prophecy that he’s going to die horribly but he can’t avoid it if he’s going to fulfill his mission, he reconciles with the man he loves only days before his murder, he is flayed alive while having his memories stolen, he’s brought back from the dead against his will by his best friend, said friend then wants him to play third wheel while he gets back with his ex girlfriend, a former White Prophet who he respects tells him that he needs to leave his friend forever or risk undoing his work, the former White Prophet takes him back to cult island where he is tortured into insanity over the course of 20 years, he escapes and travels the world blind and crippled and and nearly dead to return to his friend, he finds out that he has a daughter he never knew, the daughter is kidnapped by the same people who harmed him as a child and an adult, he is forced to return there to possibly face unspeakable horrors to have a chance at saving her, spends the whole mission becoming increasingly depressed and withdrawn, foresees that the man he loves will not survive the rescue, loses the love of his life and is immediately rejected by his daughter, returns with nothing left to live for, ultimately chooses to essentially commit suicide to be with his love
Bee-believed to be “simple” due to her slow development for most of her childhood, rejected by her peers, cared for almost exclusively by her mother until her death when Bee was only 9, once it was determined she can in fact learn ended up with an abusive tutor, from her perspective was left behind by her father in favor of his old friend who he had a suspiciously close relationship with, was abducted by a representative from an evil cult who sacked her home, was surrounded by rapists while trying to pass as a boy, was regularly beaten into submission over the course of several months, believed that her father had rejected her and no one would come for her, went on a killing spree that included setting a woman on fire, realized she was a prophesied figure known as the Destroyer, saw her father appear to die, found out that she has a second father who is from the same race of people who took her and wants to make her the White Prophet, found out her father who raised her is still alive only to see him be eaten alive by parasites, saw her second father choose to die to be with him after she told him that her father loved him more than her, seemingly vindicating everything she said
#realm of the elderlings#rote#bee farseer#fitzchivalry farseer#the fool#honestly fitz has the longest list#but beloved had the fewest periods of happiness#and bee had the speed run where the really terrible things happened in a year#so it’s really hard to pick
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Jesus vs Zoroaster.
I don’t want you to be afraid so this might not be for the faint of faith. I have argued with skeptics and some of them love to claim some nonsensical theories such as Christianity is based on different religions.
Do not be deceived there is a lot of twisting of words when they mention names like Zoroaster. I am serious people have tried to use this on me claiming Jesus is based on paganism. Be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
Background information.
I may reiterate information that is already well known for those who are unaware. I just want to make sure I disclose all the pertinent information. In the belief of Zoroastrianism is where it is said to originate the belief of “good” vs “evil”. In the records of their belief it is shown they believe in two gods fighting one for good and one for evil in dualism. It has one god that should be worshiped being monotheistic in a sense. It is the idea known as the “combat myth” by scholars. In their beliefs there was already the idea of heaven, hell, angels and demons set for mankind. Zoroastrianism was most well known to have been common among the Persian empire.
I thought a lot about this one in religion course I took in university. I wondered if perhaps in every advancement of the time period there is another manifestation of God. I got to thinking that it might all be the same divinity showing themselves throughout time in ways that can be understood by the culture. In human advancement this deity could go more and more in depths step by step. I just knew that Jesus Christ said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me”. In other words any idea of combining this savior with another view means outright denying Jesus Christ.
Jewish History vs Zoroastrianism History.
In this case Zoroastrianism must be compared Judaism by revisiting history. It is a well known historic fact that the Jews and the Persians came in contact with each other at an early period. It has been thought that the belief influenced the Jewish. Inversely there has been scholars that argue the opposite that rather early Judaism influenced Zoroastrianism. He studied the customs, ideas and cultures of the areas to try to pinpoint which one influenced the other religion.
Darmesteter’s findings.
“He returned to Paris, in February 1887, with a mass of new information concerning the Avesta itself, the solemnization of Zoroastrian rituals, and the nature of living Zoroastrian beliefs and practices. Darmesteter was one of the distinguished Iranists who gave credence to the spurious date for Zoroaster, “258 years before Alexander”; and he was perhaps the only one to make a serious attempt to understand the evolution of the Avesta in the light of this false chronology. The parallels that exist between Neoplatonism and Judaism on one hand and Zoroastrianism on the other are striking, and in the 19th century it was natural to suppose that influence had gone from west to east, rather than the other way about. Darmesteter accordingly thought that these similar elements were alien to primitive Zoroastrianism and had been absorbed by the Iranian religion after the time of its prophet”
A summary of his research.
Evaluating the real timeline.
The false religion Zoroastrianism was founded by the man Zoroaster generally believed to be born around 6th-century BC in Persia. According to Zoroaster, there is one true deity to be worshiped, His name is Ahura-Mazda (wise lord). Many Claim that Zoroastrianism is the oldest religion alive and that Christianity and Judaism came from Zoroastrianism, however, this is simply not true. While Zoroastrianism is said to have had its origins in the 6th century BC, it only enters recorded history in the 5th century BC. This is in contrast to the Bible, where most historians and scholars put the writing of the Pentateuch (Genesis-Deuteronomy written by Moses) between 1446—1406 BC during Israel’s wanderings in the desert. This means the Old Testament pre-dates the Avesta by close to 900 years. It is clear that the concept of one God and the need for a Savior was established much earlier by the Hebrew people. Even the prophet Isaiah spoke of the virgin birth of Christ and recorded it around 701 BC, which still precedes Zoroastrianism by 100 years.
Compare these “revelations” with The Bible: 40 authors of 66 books over a span of 1,600 years (55 generations), and most of the authors were not acquainted with one another. They came from different backgrounds (judge, prophet, king, priest, shepherd, scribe, soldier, fisherman, physician) and different locations (tents, palaces, dungeons, cities, deserts), and they wrote under different circumstances in three different languages (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic). Yet they ALL convey the same common theme about God. Their writings are accepted as the inerrant, true, and inspired Word of God recorded through men (2 Timothy 3:16). The accuracy of the original texts has been verified over and over each time an ancient biblical manuscript has been discovered.
Still confusingly uncertain?
I can understand confusion in which came first or influenced the other since the development of preserved writing came after the foundation of the beliefs by the controversy. It difficult to compare because the development of writing came so much later than the foundation of both beliefs. It is even assuming there could be earlier copies of any written evidence that does exist.
What does this all mean? Which one came first? Why did God choose Israel to be the final ultimate bearer of his word in the first place according to their beliefs?
Deuteronomy 7:6-8
“For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt”.
So turns out God chose them because of a promise he made to Abraham. Abraham had faith when told to kill his own beloved son for God. This is the reason Israel was the chosen people to even bear the line of the messiah Jesus Christ. It is because this one man actually sacrificed his only beloved son (which most actually loving parents would not do). It does not say he sacrificed his son because he hated his son, was sadistic or was trying to be ritualistic. It says he did it because he trusted the one who was in control that he knew what was best. He had faith that there must be a good reason for him and his son were both loved by God. He was planning to do the same for all of mankind with his only begotten son. He wanted his son to be born from the line of the man who was willing to do the same for him.
Jesus Christ vs Zoroaster.
Zoroaster was the prophet who went around spreading the ideas of the religion. He was opposed to religious ceremonies such as animal sacrifices. He believed one could go to heaven by simple good works (as many religions teach).
Zoroastrianism states that active participation in life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. There are various religious rituals that must be observed and a variety of deeds to be performed to ensure salvation. This is in stark contrast to Christianity, which teaches that Christ is the only way to salvation John 14:6) and that our salvation cannot be earned (Ephesians 2:8–9). This is the difference between Christianity and all false religions. In Christ, salvation is a free gift from God apart from works, which save no one (Romans 3:20, 28). All other religions require works of some kind to appease God. The bible is crystal clear on salvation how to receive it what is true and what is not.
As for good works salvation I never wanted to follow such a belief (never knowing if you’ve been ‘”good enough”). I mean ask a religious man, Jewish, Catholic, or Muslim they will say “I am going to heaven because I am righteous deserving to go to heaven. I put God in my debt for doing these good deeds which must cancel my bad deeds”. It be like a serial killer donating money to charity hoping it compensates. It is different from asking a Christian who would say “I am a sinner deserving of hell having hurt so many people in my life. I deserve hell all my works could never make up for the pain I brought into the world. I am so loved that even at my darkest moment I was told I was worth dying for. God in the flesh came down to pay for all my debt standing in my judgment seat taking my curses. I am saved because God loves enough to pay my debt for me. I don’t have to wonder if I have been good enough now because I know his righteousness is now associated to me”. So which one seems to glorify God the most? Why does Christianity seem different?
This was a collaboration with @worshipmoment. I consulted him for information though should warn that not everything here may necessarily reflect his views. His work comes into “Evaluating the real timeline” and some of “Jesus Christ vs Zoroaster”.
#apologetics#zoroaster#zoroastrianism#Jewish#Jesus Christ#Christian#False religion#works salvation is false#sola scriptura#saved by grace#gracias#mercy#apologetic#bible#god is real#religion
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