#but Lesbian Of The Century she ain't to me!

[asordidbarwere]

FUCKING LOL the one thing I actually find appealing about Chappell Roan and she's just straight up copying Fiona Apple from the 90s

[ckret2]

hey ^^ I love your bill goldilocks cipher, and I was wondering why he possesses a female-presenting body. I am a huge fan of your art btw so don’t take this the wrong way, I just would love to know how you designed him!

The short answer: because he's canonically referred to with he/him pronouns.

The long answer: if you meet somebody who, at a first glance, appears to be anatomically female, and everyone refers to this person with he/him pronouns, you don't immediately know what's going on.

Maybe he's a trans man who's comfortable with his body the way it is as long as everyone around him still treats him as a man. Maybe she's a trans woman with really transphobic acquaintances. Maybe he's nonbinary, maybe he's genderfluid, maybe he's a drag queen who's dressed up for an event but not currently in character, maybe he's a he/him lesbian—you don't know, and it likely isn't your business.

There's only one thing you do know: whatever's going on here, it probably ain't cishet. This person has something going on that does not fit the gender binary. All you can say about him is that he's queer.

Bill's gender is triangle. This simply does not fit within humanity's popular ideas about the male-female binary. Whatever his sexual orientation is, it is not restricted to "only females/only males (as humanity defines femaleness/maleness)"—and so he can't possibly be heterosexual in a manner readily recognizable to human beings. Amongst Bill's own species, maybe he was the most cishet guy you've ever met, I haven't decided; but if you stick Bill amongst humans, regardless of how he sees himself, he'll look queer to us.

On top of that: stick Bill in a human body, and there's a disconnect between his self-identity and the shape he's wearing. Strangers will see him as something he's not: human. He feels trapped in a wrong-shaped form amongst people who think this is normal and what he feels he should be is strange—and if he ever explains that psychological weight of feeling wrong-shaped, the humans most likely to go "I think I get it" are the trans folks who know what dysphoria feels like.

I don't think Bill cares what pronouns humans give him; I think he's called "he/him" either because his human victims decided he sounds male-ish, or else because he consciously decided to take advantage of sexism by presenting himself as male to seem more authoritative. And I don't think Bill cares about the anatomy of the human body he's in; he could have been given any variety of genitalia, secondary sex characteristics, hormone balances, body fat distributions, etc., and he would have been equally uncomfortable in any because they're not a triangle. It makes no difference to him.

But it does something to you (you, The Readers In General): it makes you wonder about his relationship with his body.

Because we're speaking English on the Internet in the 21st century, you and I are participating in a culture that sees having both a vagina and he/him pronouns as Not The Default. It makes Bill look genderqueer-in-a-human-way, and that makes it easier to slide readers over to seeing him as genderqueer-in-a-nonhuman-way. It makes you think about queerness, about dysphoria, about nonbinary folks who defy the expected correlations between pronouns and anatomy without changing their bodies to make them "match."

This is the second or third time somebody's asked me why I put Bill in a female-presenting body. If I'd done the opposite, nobody would have ever asked me why I put Bill in a male-presenting body. Because that's "normal." And I want you to ask questions! I want you to think about Bill's self-image, his internal landscape, the gulf between who he is mentally and what he is physically.

Before I ever directly draw attention to queer topics, I can get folks primed to think about them and to understand that his body doesn't accurately represent his identity just by slapping a pair of boobs on him.

So I slapped a pair of boobs on him.

[elfwreck]

Grammar Is the New Oppression - 1972 Article

This is from Gay Liberator magazine/newspaper, issue 17, April 1972. It's proposing "co" as a gender-neutral pronoun.

Full transcript under the readmore.

the grammar of oppression

by JOSEPH RAPHAEL

Our language has always reflected our social attitudes, and since women have been oppressed through the ages, this oppression would naturally show up in the way we speak and write. I have found myself guilty of keeping oppression alive by using the generic he. So often I would use he when I meant he or she and use his for his or her as well as him for him or her.

Having met some fine Lesbians in our movement and other women who have felt acutely oppressed, I realize now that I have offended these people unwittingly by using the generic he. We can all stop this business of oppression — in our language, at least — if we use a pronoun which has recently appeared on the scene.

This new pronoun may have been suggested by a member of Women's Liberation or even.by an academic scholar who happens to be socially aware. Whoever suggested it originally is a trivial matter; the fact that someone did ·is highly important because the indeterminate pronoun answers a social and linguistic need. I therefore intend to use the pronoun, co, whenever it is called for. Its most progressive feature is that it doesn't decline (or change forms) with each case. Perhaps we need a few examp les to see how the new pronoun is used. Formerly we would say: A human can succeed if he works hard. But this is obviously oppressive because it fails to account for the fact that some humans are female. A traditionalist would argue that co meant to say: A human can succeed if he or she works hard. But this is also oppressive because he has been allowed to come before she and putting she before he would not solve the problem (although it might compensate for centuries of linguistic abuse).

However, the progressive use of the indeterminate pronoun quickly resolves the problem: A human can succeed if co works hard. I should remind those who feel compelled to use him/her or her/him that these compound forms are not only socially repugnant, they are also aesthetically disgusting. In combination they offend the eye and off-balance the sentence as well, weighing it down with extra words. Hopefully, then, we will all make a conscious effort to improve both our language and our social attitudes.

[Chart; may not show up correctly on mobile]

CASE      NEUTER FEM.     MASC.   INDET. Subjective           it             she        he             co Possessive          its           her         his            co(s) Objective            it             her         him          co Intensive             itself      herself  himself coself

The new grammar may raise some problems, but I trust they are minor ones. For instance, co is the only pronoun beginning with a hard sound (K), which could make it harder to pronounce in rapid speech: But there is a compensating feature. Note that there is an alternative form in the possessive case. You would insert an s when co precedes a vowel sound, as in: Each member should pay cos own dues. This would correspond to the dual form of a and an. Some of you may be strict followers of tradition and resent the intrusion of a rebel form into your speech. But linguists — those who study the language — are more practical in their outlook. They know that all new forms of speech are, in a sense, rebellious. Tradition has always died in language when it has no functional use. That is why all the archaic spellings (as in night or although, in which we see the remnants of sounds no longer pronounced) will sooner or later be abandoned.

Finally, let me say that it is the people using a language who have always determined its form. If everyone wanted to use ain't, then ain't would gain respectful usage. The same applies to any other word or sound. Language belongs to the people and, as such, only the people can change it. I am here reminded of Moliere's statement, 'Grammar knows how to control even kings.'

[prozac-shaped-urn]

ok so i have an idea that might be better than a closeted lesbian storyline because i just don't see how that's heavy enough to warrant the ending i want. hear me out. the "affair with my best friend's husband" thing is too cliche, but i think there could be another level to both of these and it might be this.

didi had an affair with stockard's husband back in the day, right? stockard knew because of course she did. didi isn't aware of this going into this convo but she finds out pretty quick. she isn't expecting stockard to ~be okay~ with it but what else is she gonna do y'know? there ain't much to be done at this point 40 fucken years later.

what didi admits is that she did this because andrew (the husband) was a safe person to experiment with, and it wasn't like she was gonna go out and find a random dude on the street to fuck and figure herself out.

it turned out that she is a flaming homo and despite accepting that about herself, she's never told her bestie. because how the fuck would she explain that?

well.

bestie figured this out a long time ago. stockard knew before didi knew it herself. but stockard doesn't know anything about the affair. so didi tells her.

stockard isn't surprised. but what does throw her for a loop is didi saying this is how she figured herself out. because why the fuck would andrew agree to such a thing? where they all grew up was mid-century iowa like jesus fucking christ there's no way in hell that would happen. why would he agree to that?

what stockard doesn't know and what didi tells her is that andrew was also questioning himself, and didi was a safe person to experiment with. because despite being married with kids, which was just what you did at the time regardless of your sexual orientation, andrew wasn't attracted to his wife but he was attracted to didi. and so they did.

it should come as no surprise to didi that andrew was also having an affair with a guy, but alas it does when stockard admits this. and then didi realizes that's how she contracted syphilis in the 70s. she also realizes that's why she never got pregnant by andrew. because syphilis made him impotent. but then begs the question: who did stockard get pregnant by if not her husband?

she was having an affair of her own. and she never told didi. or her kids. the kids don't know they're not andrew's. the kids don't know anything about any of this.

but didi isn't done yet.

she admits that andrew helped her figure herself out, and that she helped him figure himself out, but she's curious about stockard. she's curious why stockard never remarried after andrew died. why she never went on dates. why she kept to herself for all these years. it's not a crime to be single and introverted, but ..... is there something else going on? every time didi infers stockard might be a little limp wristed, stockard gets offended.

to which stockard takes great offense (yet again) that didi would even suggest such a thing much less believe it, but she doesn't flat out deny that didi might be right.

stockard was raised to believe being gay is a sin and all that bullshit, so it's buried deeeeeeep inside her that to be gay is to be sick in the head and there's a great deal of shame wrapped up in that idea. didi just wants to be open and free about this with stockard, but stockard is still adamant that she's straight and all the things. so she blurts out "you think you know everything about somebody and then you find out your best friend is a pervert." it's obviously herself she's talking about here but didi conveniently ignores that.

they eventually come to emotional blows and didi walks out. the next morning stockard gets a phone call that didi has died. on the couch is a letter from didi wherein she pleads with stockard to find her in another life. (i'll rework this most likely)

the ghosts of their younger selves dance with each other upstage while stockard reads the letter downstage. we hear didi's laughter from above just as stockard places the letter aside.

lights out. the end.

[jeannereames]

Have you read "Song of Achilles"? What do you think about it?

Overall, I liked it. Unlike some critics, I wasn't much fussed by the modernization of Achilles's relationship with Patroklos because, well, it's a myth in the first place. Myths always undergo manipulation each time they're retold in order to speak to the audience hearing it; she's just the latest in a string. She queered the story for the early 21st Century. I'm cool with that. I might have preferred she not draw the shade on sex scenes (YMMV), and show us a little more clearly why the two boys work as a pair. It seems more assumed than demonstrated because of course, they are. But I want to see why. Again, YMMV.*

That said, I DID have more serious issues with how she handled Achilles's mother Thetis--the same as I have issues with how Mary Renault handled Olympias. There's no evidence (at all) that Thetis disliked Patroklos--far less than the smear campaign the ancient sources took to Olympias (and Hephaistion). So the negativizing of Thetis, the sole major female character outside Briseis, by a female author (in this day and age) troubled me. I'm hardly the first to point it out, and I think Circe was an attempt to silence her critics.

For that matter, I was irritated with Pat Barker's handling of Briseis in The Silence of the Girls--supposedly a retelling of Homer from a feminist perspective that started well and ended in a confused mishmash. Briseis's story was eaten by Achilles’s. Maybe that was her point (the "silencing" of the girls), but she failed to underscore it well enough, imo. Achilles sucked all the air out of the room, as he tends to do--and got away from her.

By contrast, if you want to see a master of subversion, read Margaret Atwood's The Penelopiad. It's not perfect, but when it comes to TRULY writing a book about subaltern perspectives on ancient epic, she nailed it. She not only flipped the narrative, but by the end of the book, she'd flipped it AGAIN.

Yes, it's Penelope's story, but Penelope lies (well done!) and by the end, Atwood has exposed that even a "feminist" retelling by centering an elite woman's voice is not that radical. She re-centers the (virtually) unnamed "Handmaids." Brilliant. But Atwood's take is also brutal, not lyrical or romantic, unlike The Song of Achilles or The Silence of the Girls, in places. ;) You won't walk away from Atwood drawing fanart. It's not that sort of book.

(Full disclosure: I've taught Miller (Song), Barker, and Atwood in a class on Greece in historical fiction, so I've done a lot of thinking about the thematic arcs of all three: where they work and where, imo, they fail.)

Anyway, I get that Miller sought to challenge traditional (straight male) readings of Homer with a queer-centered one. I'm all for that. I just found it unfortunate that Thetis was negativized when it wasn't necessary or in the original story.** (New info added below.)

This raises a complicated question about how female authors write female characters in ancient or medieval worlds, even fictional ones. There's some very good recent discussion by female SFF authors, including popular tropes that, while they might seem feminist on the surface...aren't. They can be rather shallow. Anyway, you can run a search for SFWA discussion of the matter.

An even more troubling trend among some female authors of historicals (and historical fantasy for that matter) is the vilifying and/or erasure of female characters. This comes up with Mary Renault, which can be a shock to some of her fans. (Seriously. Think about how she portrays not just Olympias but most women in her Greek historical fiction. It ain't pretty.)

Renault had issues with both gay activism (yes, really) and also with women, including other lesbians. Her attitude is reminiscent of the "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher. Women must become "honorary men" in order to be taken seriously and so they must denigrate other women. Renault's own words doing so are documented in her bios (Sweetman and Zilboorg). Nor has this really gone away among some women in male-dominated professions, unfortunately.

I don't consider Miller to have anywhere near the same issues Renault did. Yet even for writers who consider themselves feminists, it can be tough to recognize JUST how deep these hostile tropes GO. And so they accidentally repeat them.

If you're not familiar with the Bechdel Test, let me recommend it. ;) Film, novel...doesn't matter.

I hope that, even in a novel about a misogynistic society with two male lead protags, I did some justice to the women, especially poor Olympias/Myrtale. That said, were I to start writing the novels NOW (remember, I started them in 1988 when I was 24 years old), I would probably have centered Kleopatra and Kampaspe even more. You can be sure they have important stories, going forward. ;) So do a few other women.

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*To be fair, some readers didn't like that aspect of Alexander and Hephaistion's relationship in Dancing with the Lion: Becoming. They wanted it to Just Happen Already! But I'm allergic to that sort of romantization; it feels like short-circuited characterization. So reader preferences can vary.

** I recently had a chance to chat with a woman who knows Miller, and knows the Iliad extremely well too, and I asked her if she happened to know why Miller handles Thetis the way she did? She said it's because Thetis's entire goal is protect Achilles, and as a goddess, she had the power to do so--and saw Patroklos as very human and in the way. Ironically, that's exactly why Olympias clashes with Hephaistion in Dancing with the Lion. In the little short story "Two Scorpions" available on the website, I made that even blunter. I will say that, with more women in the story, I had the chance to show her protective side towards others at the court (not just Alexandros), that gives her greater dimension.

[punkscowardschampions]

Rio & Buster

Rio: Nance doing me so dirty not giving me chance to give you the scoop of the century before she 📸 Buster: What? Rio: Get with the times, boy! Rio: Even in her state your sis has managed to get out there and have a successful date, what've you even been doing? Buster: Is this your way of telling me to take you out? Rio: I don't need to be coy about it, babe Rio: Have you looked yet?! Buster: Am I supposed to know who that girl is or what the fuck you're so buzzing about, like? Rio: She's in her year at School Rio: also a gay Rio: also asked Nancy on a date Rio: she asked her, isn't that so cute Buster: Behave Buster: What would she wanna date my sister for? Rio: You're so rude Rio: Why not? And she does so Rio: I was there as the texts were coming in, like Buster: Whatever Rio: 🙄 Buster: You want me to do cartwheels or what, like? Buster: I know I'm at the gym but come on Rio: Glad you're making up for lack of enthusiasm with productivity then, like Rio: You know it's her first date, literal, yeah? Buster: No it's not Buster: Is it? Rio: Yeah Buster: Fucking hell Buster: Least she got it out of the way before uni then Rio: Got there in the end Rio: So cute Buster: Shut up Buster: What are you doing other than planning a gay wedding Rio: Setting up my filming shit Rio: Standard Buster: Let's do something later that doesn't involve a pub full of our fam, yeah? Rio: Intriguing, yeah Rio: What do you have in mind? Buster: I knew I'd feel like going to The Blind Pig again before I left so I did all their bullshit reservation shit Buster: You up for it? Rio: Yeah Rio: Never been so that'll be a laugh Buster: We're doing dinner and cocktails so don't let your dad force feed you Rio: Init tho, not been back that long and swear I'm gaining Rio: like Da, got money to make, please Buster: They love it Buster: Your da doing you a favour Rio: mukbang moment Rio: there is no way those tiny asian girls are swallowing Rio: 'scuse double meaning there but Buster: Indie though Buster: Minus the double meaning 'cause no Rio: if she comes back I'll put her to work Rio: deffo so very illegal, lowkey making myself a madam with it too but you know Buster: 😂 Rio: if that ain't a reason to look after her, like Rio: what is Buster: 'Course Buster: Tell me about this lesbian then Rio: Steady 😏 Rio: Nah, she was nice, normal Rio: chattier than Nance but not like, look at me, look at me Rio: she said this girl gave her her number when she moved her, 'case she needed that solidarity so figure she's gotta be pretty decent Buster: Do you reckon she's the one Nance was talking about last night then? Buster: Like if they've had each other's numbers all that time or whatever Rio: I thought so but then she was saying she's never properly spoke to her and all about not being 'all in' which Rio: why would you be before your first date in my head but doesn't match what she was saying last night so Rio: Not sure now Buster: Yeah Buster: Maybe she's been 😍 from afar? That's gay Rio: True Rio: Other girl seems like she'd be the type to do something about it though Rio: Bold to ask someone out based on some drunk dialing Rio: still got my 👀 Buster: Nance is good at keeping her cards close Buster: Maybe that girl didn't know until she got wrecked Buster: I don't know Rio: Could be, babe, could be Rio: so mad tho Rio: ruining my know-all rep Buster: Unlucky babe Buster: You can get it back by filling in my blanks from last night if you want Rio: When'd it start to get all fuzzy, like? Buster: After I took that bottle and drank it 2/3 I reckon Rio: That'll do it 😂 Rio: Nothing but fun things, trust Buster: Are you trying to say you've got no black spots in your memory after all those Long Islands Rio: Spotless Rio: like my record Rio: but really, woke up in my bed with you and not another cousins so, how bad can it be? Buster: Don't Buster: So unfunny Rio: You know I got jokes Buster: I know you call 'em that Rio: Rude Rio: I remember you laughing last night Rio: Definitely Buster: Yeah? Buster: Must've been at and not with Rio: 😮 Rio: 😠 Rio: How dare you Buster: Those who dare, babe Buster: You know Rio: Not winning any points here, boy Buster: Not yet Buster: I've got plenty of time Rio: Taking off minutes like it's nothing other here Rio: ticktock Buster: Thought you'd be glad I'm thinking of staying here long enough to have some spare Buster: But I can always go home now if you'd rather Buster: 😏 Rio: 😖 Don't play Rio: how long are you thinking? Buster: But babe, I'm so so so bored Buster: Another fortnight before I gotta start getting shit sorted for the start of school Buster: Might give you a few more days, like Buster: 🤷 Rio: You're not working out hard enough then, are you Rio: Fuck off 😒 Rio: Be nice Buster: 'Cause I wanna work out with you really and you're busy Rio: All adds up now Rio: poor baby Rio: could be there but can't show your cute lil face and what a waste Buster: You'd still get to see it so hardly Rio: True Rio: still such a natural giver, what can I say Buster: True Buster: What I remember of last night really proved it Rio: 😇 Rio: didn't hate being selfish with you though, might make it a modest habit, like Buster: Sounds like my work here is done Buster: Maybe I should go before you change your mind Rio: Stop it Buster: You're so hot Rio: Then say you're gonna stay Rio: Teasing me Buster: Say you want me to Rio: Buster Rio: You know I do Rio: Please Buster: I love it when you say please Buster: You know I'm gonna stay for you, babe Rio: I don't mind begging you, sometimes Rio: but if you go any earlier than you gotta Imma be so mad Buster: I won't Buster: I like it here Buster: But you're hot as fuck when you're mad though Rio: Good Rio: Yeah, hot as fuck in another country to you, think on Buster: All I'm gonna do when I go is think about you Buster: But I don't have to leave yet Rio: Yeah Rio: gotta make the most of it Rio: 'fore it's all maths and physics again for you Buster: Don't even have any hot teachers Buster: 💔 Rio: Gutted Rio: one cliche fantasy I never got to tick off either Buster: You can always borrow my uniform if you feel like you're missing out Rio: Like I ain't got my own Rio: costume cuboard on lock Buster: I remember Rio: You go to an all-boys school or what? Buster: There's girls there Buster: It's just the teachers that's all old fuckers Rio: Ahh, just wondering why you're so deprived and weird then 😜 Buster: What? Rio: Jokes Rio: who ain't thirsty for me Rio: perfectly normal Buster: Fuck off Rio: 😂 Buster: Behave Rio: You're cute with it so you're alright Buster: You called me cute so much last night Buster: Not so bad when you're drunk, babe Buster: All the attitude just falls away like Rio: 'Cos you're a friendly drunk, who knew Nance would be the 😡 one Rio: would not be wanting to call her cute last night, also to afraid to say anything else tho Buster: You don't need to be calling her cute or thinking she is Rio: You wanna be special? Buster: I already am Buster: I want you to recognise it Rio: 😏 Buster: Hilarious Rio: Idk, maybe I'll feel it later Rio: gotta prove it first, like Buster: You got amnesia over night or what? Buster: Maybe I'll take someone else out to The Blind Pig Buster: A girl with memory Rio: No worse than you Rio: Sure you will Buster: What am I forgetting? Rio: Doesn't matter Buster: Yeah it does Buster: Say it Rio: I said I wouldn't hold you to shit you said during sex, that rule applies to when we're fucked up too Buster: And I'm pretty sure I said that you can Buster: If I said it, I meant it Rio: Alright Buster: And? Rio: Shh Buster: No Rio: You don't wanna know Buster: I do if you're upset with me Rio: I ain't Rio: Honest Rio: we all get over emotional when we've had a few Rio: nothing to worry about Buster: Well now you have to tell me Buster: Was I crying or what the fuck? Buster: Stop being weird Rio: No, no you weren't crying Rio: I'm not being weird it's just awkward that I remember and you don't so I'll forget too Buster: Rio Buster: Just tell me Buster: Fuck's sake Rio: Oh my god Rio: just remember I wasn't making a big deal out of this, it was you, alright Buster: You're making a big deal out of it now Buster: Don't fucking start Rio: If you would listen to me just this once Rio: but fine Rio: the L word Rio: not lesbians Rio: that's all Buster: That's not funny Rio: Well, I ain't joking Buster: Bullshit Buster: No I didn't Rio: Why would I make it up? Rio: I didn't want to tell you Buster: Fuck knows Buster: But I know I'd remember that Rio: Don't call me a liar Rio: I don't care, forget it happened Buster: How the fuck am I meant to do that? Buster: You might be telling loads of lads all sorts but Buster: Giving it 'that's all' like Buster: Fucking hell Rio: You made me say Rio: what do you even mean by that? Rio: if this was part of my chat, I think I'd have run into issues before now Buster: Shut up Rio: Little late for that Rio: Jesus Buster: You just can't stop with the jokes, can you? Buster: Christ Rio: It ain't funny Buster: I'm not the one acting like it is Rio: Me either Rio: Where? I didn't Buster: Whatever Rio: Yeah Rio: Exactly Buster: This is bullshit Buster: I'll talk to you later Rio: Don't be a pussy about it Buster: Fuck you Rio: Seriously Buster: Seriously, don't Rio: Why can't you just act like it didn't happen Buster: 'Cause it did Buster: How can you pretend it didn't Rio: We were wasted Rio: doesn't count Buster: Not what you said when Nance was Buster: It's not one rule for her and another for me Rio: That's different Rio: anyway, I'm giving you a free pass here, take it Buster: No it's fucking not Buster: Yeah, well I'm giving you one too Buster: See you around Rio: For fuck's sake Rio: Buster Buster: Don't Rio: I'm sorry

[soobinscreamieicecream]

that genderbread man seems like stereotyping sex ?

1 . y'all saying gender ≠ sex and forcing gender stereotypes is aint it cuz look at genderbread man. "does ur gender resonate this expression etc" HELL , i still remember thought i was mtf cuz i thought if u aren't active and masculine enough u don't qualified as male. and thought i was non binary because i don't express fem and masc quality much.

2 . besides, gender is just "sex stereotypes" and exist because of "sex distinction" ( hormones, body shape and etc) thus if u dont follow the stereotypes, u are still what in your pants. if you're intersex, check if ur dick can produce semen or ur vagina can produce ovum. if u r infertile, that's another story.

3 . if u feeling feminine like princess and then u feeling masculine like frat boy doesn't mean you're genderfluid. its just your feeling and how its express itself. same guess with another gender that not male and female.

4 . again, don't use neurodivergent card cuz neurodivergent ain't like different brain. its just different in thinking skill. from what i read its just gifted kid thing so ? i am too in kindergarten. ive heard someone became nb, wolf gender spiritually and half therian. spiritually ? thats just in ur head and being nb ? he just said because i am me. yea you're are you ? accept that ur mental and personality don't affect ur gender.

note : spiritually, its a mockery to say you are nb because ofc the celestial being can be nb, genderfluid etc because they're not human. xenogender too. mockery to trans mental health issues.

5 . even if u hate how ur og pronouns sounds like, u still need to use it. u cant just cope and reform the grammar. yes eventhough the pronouns call "masc and fem" pronouns its still related to gender because it is just how it is. "butch lesbian get called and used he/him" ahem, i thought y'all hate heteronormativity ?

6 . YEA i heard people say "should i use it if i don't care being call he/him like that ?" she even ask whats the label for it. so u saying if u dont get mental when someone accidentally call u with a different pronouns, u think ur different now ?

7 . if u cry because of a word, maybe its because of self hate and just pressed. i hate the word gay even im one ( because of how y'all lol, we originally fight for love and dysphoria mental health issues but now ? omg ) i still use it tho ?

8 . "ask them what they like, support them, give them space, u can change ur gender times to time" wtf. i read this on agender article, don't act like y'all got oppressed or something. this is absolutely nonsense. we lgbtq people get hurt for centuries and y'all crying because u feel different ? that dont even related to gender ? what ? ur gender ≠ feelings, personality, fashion, hobby and etc.

don't ruin the community, the community isn't a joke. we fight for homo relationship and appreciating dysphoria mental health issues. not "call me it/its, i love to sounds like an alien, my gender is catgender"

Hey, uh.. Just a question..if you dont know someone's gender what do you do? just assume and risk the offensive notion? Ask? What if THEY say that THEY are a them? i.e.

"I'm going over to my friend's place for a bit"

"What's their name?"

Also, you don't like non-binary, so what about just generic trans men and trans women?

i use they them ? as what i said they them can only be use as singular if u don't know their identity.

mtf and ftm are uhm people ? 💀 im so surely can't say anything because i don't feel trans experience.

[britneyshakespeare]

I come from a p good Christian family and when I found out I wasn't straight I wasn't surprised or anything? Like this was back when I only used like at most three sites on the internet. It still kinda baffles me to this day. We also went to church on Sunday (and forced me to get a book I ain't reading) and I saw a book that was about a gay man turning away from the "homosexual lifestyle to lead a heterosexual relationship" with like 3 kids and a wife or smth. I was pretty disgusted with how 1/2

2/2 they worded the summary??? Like it was so unpleasant. Then again, it is a church, however, there are lots of lgbtq+ peeps who do believe in higher forms and take part in religion but to see that book really rifled me.

Wow, that sounds hard. It can be hard to reconcile both being Christian with being queer (although I don’t know if you still believe). I’m a big advocate for people being able to be queer and religious, regardless of identity or religious denomination. Personally my two cents is that most major world religions were built to last, baby, like, they’ve been here for centuries and a staple of so many cultures during so many time periods.

I have a lesbian friend IRL who was raised in a really conservative Southern Baptist upbringing, like, so much so that she didn’t wanna tell her family I was an Irish Catholic (which I still think is funny to this day because I take those things impersonally). She had tried to “talk herself out” of being gay a lot in her middle school years and it was really hard for her. These days she’s more agnostic/atheist and we’ve compared and contrasted our experiences with both doubt and being non-straight.

It’s all weird, ya know? There are so many denominations of Christianity in just the United States alone. In most of them, even the ones that seem harshest on LGBTQ+ causes, there are activists within them that you just kind of have to put your faith in (no pun intended) and hope that their ideas sway the direction of the future. No more “hating the sin, loving the sinner” when we’re talking about something that we have to stop calling a sin.